Question about PLR rights

Dana_W · 08-12-2008, 12:34 PM

I just saw an offer for a PLR package where somebody is selling 250 copies of it. BUT...they are allowing people to sell copies.

So why even bother limiting it to 250 copies, if each purchaser can re-sell the book?

And also, do youse guys (I lived in New York for a while) find a product less valuable if you can resell it, or more valuable? If you can resell it, you can make money off it - but plenty of other people have a copy so they can resell it too so it's not a unique product, and you might be less likely to put it on your blog or website.

If you CAN'T resell it and, it's only sold to, say, 50 or 100 other people, then it's a lot more unique and if you give it away for free to your customers as a bonus or incentive to sign up to a list, or put it on your website or blog as content...you can't make money selling it, but you do have less competition and duplicate content.

Here are the rights this offer came with:

[YES] Can be given away
[YES] Can be packaged with other products
[YES] Can be offered as a bonus
[YES] Can be edited completely and your name put on it
[YES] Can be used as web content
[YES] Can be broken down into smaller articles
[YES] Can be added to an e-course or autoresponder
[YES] Can be added to membership sites
[YES] Can sell Resale Rights
[YES] Can sell Master Resale Rights
[YES] Can be offered through auction sites
[NO] Can sell Private Label Rights

pwebbiz · 08-12-2008, 12:41 PM

Dana,

For the most part that always irked me...

Looking at the situation you proposed - it can be resold but PLR can not be passed. That being said let's call this product "Product A"

If everyone is reselling / master reselling (Yikes!) the product as "Product A" you need to rename it to "Product B" get more attention to it.

Now, an important facet is that you can't sell "Product B" as if is you think people are going to own the SAME thing under the title of "Product A" - that being said, it's a short term remedy - but won't sustain.

To make it a sustainable solution make your product a unique variation of the PLR material so the generic "Product A" and your "Product B" are two totally different products.

Hope this all makes some sort of sense

Michael

Simon_Sezs · 08-12-2008, 12:51 PM

PLR rights have been nothing more than research vehicles for me regardless of whether it is for sale to 10 people or 100 people. Frankly, unless you are paying $10-20 per article, they are typically not worth even putting on a page (I do use them for my BH sites though...after a spin or two).

Dana_W · 08-12-2008, 01:24 PM

I'm SO glad to hear you say that, Simon! I wish everyone thought that. If you pay $3 an article, you are generally going to get what you pay for. What's a BH site?

I'm still somewhat confused about the rights to the PLR package that I described - don't master resale rights mean that you can do whatever you want with it? And why couldn't you sell the product as private label rights?

Of course it's all a moot point anyway to an extent, because there's so much ripping off /reselling of products any way.

caleree · 08-12-2008, 01:37 PM

Hi Dana,

It is my understanding that "unrestricted private lable rights" is the license granted that allows you to do anything you want with the product(s). But even so, make sure you either read the license or email the seller before buying the product to make sure. Often times I have noticed that "unrestricted private label rights" comes with some exceptions so be careful.

Martha Richardson · 08-12-2008, 02:11 PM

Master resell rights definitely do not allow you to do whatever you want with the product. MRR just allows you to sell resell rights. And never make assumptions. Many people think master resell rights automatically means you can SELL master resell rights. Not necessarily so.

There are actually TWO kinds of master resell rights - transferable and non-transferable. With transferable MRR, you can sell master resell rights if you wish. With NON-transferable MRR, you can only sell the RESELL rights, not MASTER resell rights.

Many people also assume that private label rights automatically gives you the right to sell resell rights or master resell rights to the product, or the reworked product you create. Again, not necessarily so. Sometimes a product creator will put terms on a PLR product that allows you to private label it, but only SELL it, and not sell any rights to resell the product.

Christian is correct that unrestricted private label rights generally allows you to do whatever you wish with a product, and he also offers good advice to always check the license file of the product. Product creators have the right to set whatever terms they wish, and as ethical markters, we should be sure to take care to abide by them.

Barry

Mary Gallivan · 08-12-2008, 02:19 PM

Hi Dana

With PLR books you normally get a folder with a PDF file, Word doc, salespage and graphics.

You can edit the Word doc, put your own name as the author and insert your own links. Then you covert it to PDF and sell that but NOT the word doc.

You can't claim copyright to the book unless you re-write about 70% of it and make it more or less your own work.

With MRR you can sell the book according to what Barry has said. However what you are doing is selling a book which has somebody else's links etc in, so all you get out of it is the money from the sale of the book.

PLR gives you much more freedom and much more potential.

Hope that helps a bit.

Mary

Dana_W · 08-12-2008, 02:41 PM

These are great answers. But wow, is there a lot of room for confusion there! I agree that it's very important for the person selling the product to spell out exactly what can be done with the product, because it seems as if everyone has a different idea of what resale rights, master resale rights, private label rights, etc., actually means.

Arindam Chakraborty · 08-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dana_W

I just saw an offer for a PLR package where somebody is selling 250 copies of it. BUT...they are allowing people to sell copies.

So why even bother limiting it to 250 copies, if each purchaser can re-sell the book?

And also, do youse guys (I lived in New York for a while) find a product less valuable if you can resell it, or more valuable? If you can resell it, you can make money off it - but plenty of other people have a copy so they can resell it too so it's not a unique product, and you might be less likely to put it on your blog or website.

If you CAN'T resell it and, it's only sold to, say, 50 or 100 other people, then it's a lot more unique and if you give it away for free to your customers as a bonus or incentive to sign up to a list, or put it on your website or blog as content...you can't make money selling it, but you do have less competition and duplicate content.

Here are the rights this offer came with:

[YES] Can be given away
[YES] Can be packaged with other products
[YES] Can be offered as a bonus
[YES] Can be edited completely and your name put on it
[YES] Can be used as web content
[YES] Can be broken down into smaller articles
[YES] Can be added to an e-course or autoresponder
[YES] Can be added to membership sites
[YES] Can sell Resale Rights
[YES] Can sell Master Resale Rights
[YES] Can be offered through auction sites
[NO] Can sell Private Label Rights

Dana,

I really don’t care about the limits. Whether it is sold to 20 or 200 doesn't matter to me because at the end of the day, I have to rewrite the plr content any way, before I can put it up on my site. So personally I don’t believe in those 'limits' and 'dup content issues'.

Even if the plr provider offers resell rights to the plr content, there is no reason to worry as long as you rewrite the content completely and optimize it for YOUR keywords. No one would be able to tell whether it is an original article or a plr.

As for your question:

So why even bother limiting it to 250 copies, if each purchaser can re-sell the book?

I guess it is just another way of trying to fool the customers.

Arindam

JaniG · 08-12-2008, 02:53 PM

he good thing about PLR is that you can totally rebrand the PLR product and claim it as your own.

PLR is one of the fastest methods of creating your own product.

It IS valuable but you need to pick a PLR that is not already on the market or is not that known.

You can literally make a small or even large fortune with PLR.

Regards

Jani

MikeAmbrosio · 08-12-2008, 03:35 PM

Something else to consider here...

Statistically speaking, somewhere between 95 and 99% of the people that purchase the rights do absolutely nothing with them.

Of the ones that do anything, a fair amount (I don't have statistics...) will simply try to resell the PLR or package "as is".

The rest - incidently, the ones who will make the most money with them - rework them and sell them as their own products.

Takes a little longer and requires more effort, but in the long run, you will profit much more.

At least, it works for me (and has for several years now).

Mike

caleree · 08-12-2008, 03:36 PM

Anyone willing to offer their opinion on the best PLR site? I've been looking for a PLR membership site to join that offers cutting edge products with unrestricted private label rights for a few weeks now...any suggestions?

Jesus Perez · 08-12-2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleree

Anyone willing to offer their opinion on the best PLR site? I've been looking for a PLR membership site to join that offers cutting edge products with unrestricted private label rights for a few weeks now...any suggestions?

Make Money Online - PLRPro PLR Article Membership was recommended but I believe it's currently closed to new subscribers.

Martha Richardson · 08-12-2008, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleree

Anyone willing to offer their opinion on the best PLR site? I've been looking for a PLR membership site to join that offers cutting edge products with unrestricted private label rights for a few weeks now...any suggestions?

I usually get what PLR I use from the WSO section of the forum. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a membership offering "cutting edge products with unrestricted private label rights".

Here's the problem on that...

If they let their members have unrestricted PLR, it would be the death of the membership, as members would be offering the products cheaper, and developing their own unrestricted PLR memberships with the same products.

Barry

hmng · 08-12-2008, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleree

Anyone willing to offer their opinion on the best PLR site? I've been looking for a PLR membership site to join that offers cutting edge products with unrestricted private label rights for a few weeks now...any suggestions?

Check out Niche products for sale with private label and master resell rights. Not all the products there are unrestricted PLR, some are MRR but there are a lot to choose from for the price you pay.

My favorite way of finding PLR memberships? Do a Google search or blogsearch to see what others are saying.

Hock

caleree · 08-13-2008, 10:27 AM

Thanks for the tips/advice. I'll check out the resources mentioned!

BIG Mike · 08-13-2008, 10:41 AM

Simon and Mike both nailed key points - PLR is a starting point; never an ending one. It seems like fewer and fewer people make an effort to rework PLR, which is a shame, because it's very easy to do. As Mike pointed out, those who make the effort are the most successful with it, whether it's an article, ebook, script or whatever. Everything else is generally sandbox fodder. <-- That's a good thing for the folks using it properly.

IMHO PLR is perfect for cutting corners on research, IF, the author is reliable. Then you've got options to not only rewrite it, but use it for audio, video, etc. - there are tons of ways to use it that very few people ever do.

Peggy Baron · 12-10-2010, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dana_W

I just saw an offer for a PLR package where somebody is selling 250 copies of it. BUT...they are allowing people to sell copies.

So why even bother limiting it to 250 copies, if each purchaser can re-sell the book?

Here is my take on this question, using a smaller number. Let's say the PLR writer is offering a limited number (say 25) of sales, and they're also offering resale rights. The 25 people here are allowed to resell the PLR articles, but cannot pass on resale rights to their buyers.

What this does is limit the number of people selling the packages to 25. That's attractive to people who want to buy the PLR from the writer and put the PLR in their own store as they won't have as much competition in selling it.

Sheesh, I hope that made sense!

Peggy

Sheryl Polomka · 12-10-2010, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caleree

Anyone willing to offer their opinion on the best PLR site? I've been looking for a PLR membership site to join that offers cutting edge products with unrestricted private label rights for a few weeks now...any suggestions?

Join 1 Article A Day Today - by Warrior Ken Leatherman - good quality PLR but I'm not sure what the rights are - I wouldn't think they would be unrestricted.

Dana - I agree with you completely, I think it's ridiculous to put a limit on how many you sell but let your customers resell them.

Having said that, I can also understand where Peggy is coming from in that the customers can buy them and then put them onto their own site for sale. I believe Peggy has some PLR that she offers this way for other PLR owners to add to their site (correct me if I'm wrong Peggy).

So I guess it depends what you're looking for and like others said PLR should be a starting point, you should rewrite it anyway.

Personally, when I buy PLR it doesn't matter to me whether it's limited because I will rewrite it anyway, but I do tend to buy from sellers that I know have good quality.

08-12-2008, 12:34 PM	#1
Dana_W Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, USA. Posts: 2,643 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 507 Thanked 549 Times in 219 Posts Social Networking	Question about PLR rights I just saw an offer for a PLR package where somebody is selling 250 copies of it. BUT...they are allowing people to sell copies. So why even bother limiting it to 250 copies, if each purchaser can re-sell the book? And also, do youse guys (I lived in New York for a while) find a product less valuable if you can resell it, or more valuable? If you can resell it, you can make money off it - but plenty of other people have a copy so they can resell it too so it's not a unique product, and you might be less likely to put it on your blog or website. If you CAN'T resell it and, it's only sold to, say, 50 or 100 other people, then it's a lot more unique and if you give it away for free to your customers as a bonus or incentive to sign up to a list, or put it on your website or blog as content...you can't make money selling it, but you do have less competition and duplicate content. Here are the rights this offer came with: [YES] Can be given away [YES] Can be packaged with other products [YES] Can be offered as a bonus [YES] Can be edited completely and your name put on it [YES] Can be used as web content [YES] Can be broken down into smaller articles [YES] Can be added to an e-course or autoresponder [YES] Can be added to membership sites [YES] Can sell Resale Rights [YES] Can sell Master Resale Rights [YES] Can be offered through auction sites [NO] Can sell Private Label Rights
	Want to learn how to write a press release? I'll show you how, for free!

08-12-2008, 12:41 PM	#2
pwebbiz HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Capital of the WORLD: New York City Posts: 440 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 25 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dana, For the most part that always irked me... Looking at the situation you proposed - it can be resold but PLR can not be passed. That being said let's call this product "Product A" If everyone is reselling / master reselling (Yikes!) the product as "Product A" you need to rename it to "Product B" get more attention to it. Now, an important facet is that you can't sell "Product B" as if is you think people are going to own the SAME thing under the title of "Product A" - that being said, it's a short term remedy - but won't sustain. To make it a sustainable solution make your product a unique variation of the PLR material so the generic "Product A" and your "Product B" are two totally different products. Hope this all makes some sort of sense Michael
	Add Me on Twitter \| WF Blog \| Add Me As a Warrior Friend Buy Me a Beer \| Content Written

08-12-2008, 01:24 PM	#4
Dana_W Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, USA. Posts: 2,643 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 507 Thanked 549 Times in 219 Posts Social Networking	I'm SO glad to hear you say that, Simon! I wish everyone thought that. If you pay $3 an article, you are generally going to get what you pay for. What's a BH site? I'm still somewhat confused about the rights to the PLR package that I described - don't master resale rights mean that you can do whatever you want with it? And why couldn't you sell the product as private label rights? Of course it's all a moot point anyway to an extent, because there's so much ripping off /reselling of products any way.
	Want to learn how to write a press release? I'll show you how, for free!

08-12-2008, 01:37 PM	#5
caleree GuruReporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dallas,TX, USA. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Dana, It is my understanding that "unrestricted private lable rights" is the license granted that allows you to do anything you want with the product(s). But even so, make sure you either read the license or email the seller before buying the product to make sure. Often times I have noticed that "unrestricted private label rights" comes with some exceptions so be careful.
	Rate the Guru and their Products http://gurureporter.com Rate Your Home Business http://homebusinessreporter.com

08-12-2008, 02:11 PM	#6
Martha Richardson Hosting Reseller Accounts War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Carmichael,CA, USA. Posts: 2,238 Thanks: 30 Thanked 30 Times in 14 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Master resell rights definitely do not allow you to do whatever you want with the product. MRR just allows you to sell resell rights. And never make assumptions. Many people think master resell rights automatically means you can SELL master resell rights. Not necessarily so. There are actually TWO kinds of master resell rights - transferable and non-transferable. With transferable MRR, you can sell master resell rights if you wish. With NON-transferable MRR, you can only sell the RESELL rights, not MASTER resell rights. Many people also assume that private label rights automatically gives you the right to sell resell rights or master resell rights to the product, or the reworked product you create. Again, not necessarily so. Sometimes a product creator will put terms on a PLR product that allows you to private label it, but only SELL it, and not sell any rights to resell the product. Christian is correct that unrestricted private label rights generally allows you to do whatever you wish with a product, and he also offers good advice to always check the license file of the product. Product creators have the right to set whatever terms they wish, and as ethical markters, we should be sure to take care to abide by them. Barry
	Premier All-in-One Business Automation Center - TotalMarketer.com Autoresponders - Affiliate Management - Membership Management - Ad Tracking Customer Support - Digital Download Protection - and more! -

08-12-2008, 12:51 PM	#3
Simon_Sezs Blackhat in a WH World Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 343 Thanks: 2 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	PLR rights have been nothing more than research vehicles for me regardless of whether it is for sale to 10 people or 100 people. Frankly, unless you are paying $10-20 per article, they are typically not worth even putting on a page (I do use them for my BH sites though...after a spin or two).

08-12-2008, 02:19 PM	#7
Mary Gallivan Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birmingham, United Kingdom. Posts: 1,181 Thanks: 38 Thanked 49 Times in 26 Posts Social Networking	Hi Dana With PLR books you normally get a folder with a PDF file, Word doc, salespage and graphics. You can edit the Word doc, put your own name as the author and insert your own links. Then you covert it to PDF and sell that but NOT the word doc. You can't claim copyright to the book unless you re-write about 70% of it and make it more or less your own work. With MRR you can sell the book according to what Barry has said. However what you are doing is selling a book which has somebody else's links etc in, so all you get out of it is the money from the sale of the book. PLR gives you much more freedom and much more potential. Hope that helps a bit. Mary

08-12-2008, 02:41 PM	#8
Dana_W Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, USA. Posts: 2,643 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 507 Thanked 549 Times in 219 Posts Social Networking	These are great answers. But wow, is there a lot of room for confusion there! I agree that it's very important for the person selling the product to spell out exactly what can be done with the product, because it seems as if everyone has a different idea of what resale rights, master resale rights, private label rights, etc., actually means.
	Want to learn how to write a press release? I'll show you how, for free!

08-12-2008, 02:53 PM	#10
JaniG Jani G War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 482 Thanks: 14 Thanked 91 Times in 35 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	PLR can make you a fortune he good thing about PLR is that you can totally rebrand the PLR product and claim it as your own. PLR is one of the fastest methods of creating your own product. It IS valuable but you need to pick a PLR that is not already on the market or is not that known. You can literally make a small or even large fortune with PLR. Regards Jani
	42 Minute Method To make $402 Per Day...Click Here to Wacth This FREE VIDEO The Famous Twitter Traffic Exposed is Now FREE CLICK HERE

08-12-2008, 03:35 PM	#11
MikeAmbrosio Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,596 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 389 Thanked 483 Times in 304 Posts Contact Info	Something else to consider here... Statistically speaking, somewhere between 95 and 99% of the people that purchase the rights do absolutely nothing with them. Of the ones that do anything, a fair amount (I don't have statistics...) will simply try to resell the PLR or package "as is". The rest - incidently, the ones who will make the most money with them - rework them and sell them as their own products. Takes a little longer and requires more effort, but in the long run, you will profit much more. At least, it works for me (and has for several years now). Mike

08-12-2008, 03:36 PM	#12
caleree GuruReporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dallas,TX, USA. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Anyone willing to offer their opinion on the best PLR site? I've been looking for a PLR membership site to join that offers cutting edge products with unrestricted private label rights for a few weeks now...any suggestions?
	Rate the Guru and their Products http://gurureporter.com Rate Your Home Business http://homebusinessreporter.com

08-13-2008, 10:27 AM	#16
caleree GuruReporter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dallas,TX, USA. Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the tips/advice. I'll check out the resources mentioned!
	Rate the Guru and their Products http://gurureporter.com Rate Your Home Business http://homebusinessreporter.com

08-13-2008, 10:41 AM	#17
BIG Mike Drunken Greek War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,632 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,847 Thanked 3,671 Times in 1,070 Posts	Simon and Mike both nailed key points - PLR is a starting point; never an ending one. It seems like fewer and fewer people make an effort to rework PLR, which is a shame, because it's very easy to do. As Mike pointed out, those who make the effort are the most successful with it, whether it's an article, ebook, script or whatever. Everything else is generally sandbox fodder. <-- That's a good thing for the folks using it properly. IMHO PLR is perfect for cutting corners on research, IF, the author is reliable. Then you've got options to not only rewrite it, but use it for audio, video, etc. - there are tons of ways to use it that very few people ever do.