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LSI Keywords??

by SmallFry
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I'm intrigued...I've never really heard of these until the last few days.Do these really help?Would they work for article marketing?Do you sprinkle them in there more than once, or choose a few different ones to use once per article?Do you target them the same way that you target keywords, like between 1,500 to 10,000 searches per month?

Sorry for all of the questions!
#keywords #lsi
  • Profile picture of the author el-chucklebuck
    Well, to start with, LSI stands for: 'Latent Semantic Indexing'.
    Basically, they're words that are related to your keyword. The site in my sig is themed around acne, so my lsi keywords would be something,like:skin, pimples, zits, so on and so forth.

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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    This is quickly becoming another subject that is misunderstood like the difference between "Article Syndication" and "Duplicate Content".

    LSI is a type of math formula for determining the relevance of words within the context that they are found. It is something that Google has been trying to include in it's search algorithm.

    You can read more about LSI here: Latent semantic indexing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    What people are using the term "LSI" for is really "related keywords".

    Related Keywords are those other words that people use to search that are close to the keyword.

    Dog Grooming could include: dog hair cutting, how to groom a dog, pet grooming...

    When you go to Google and type in the keyword, look at the bottom of the page and see the "Searches related to dog grooming" that Google has suggested.

    When doing your keyword research it's a good idea to look for and include these "related keywords" in your content.
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    • Profile picture of the author SmallFry
      Originally Posted by Matt M View Post

      This is quickly becoming another subject that is misunderstood like the difference between "Article Syndication" and "Duplicate Content".

      LSI is a type of math formula for determining the relevance of words within the context that they are found. It is something that Google has been trying to include in it's search algorithm.

      You can read more about LSI here: Latent semantic indexing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      What people are using the term "LSI" for is really "related keywords".

      Related Keywords are those other words that people use to search that are close to the keyword.

      Dog Grooming could include: dog hair cutting, how to groom a dog, pet grooming...

      When you go to Google and type in the keyword, look at the bottom of the page and see the "Searches related to dog grooming" that Google has suggested.

      When doing your keyword research it's a good idea to look for and include these "related keywords" in your content.
      Got it!Thank you for explaining that :-) Now, should I only use the related keywords one time per article/post?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Wayo
        Originally Posted by SmallFry View Post

        Got it!Thank you for explaining that :-) Now, should I only use the related keywords one time per article/post?
        You should use them multiple times. Here's a quote of myself:

        Originally Posted by Alex Wayo View Post

        There is another great way of finding LSI. Use the power of Google's related searches and wonder wheel.

        For example, if you are going for the keyword how to get more backlinks, type in on Google, then choose Show Options -> Related Searches. The words in bold are the actual LSI keywords. The words around them is the best context.

        Google's wonder wheel will also show you what you need. The best approach is to use the keywords that have been shown in both related searches and wonder wheel.

        Hope this helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
        Originally Posted by SmallFry View Post

        ...should I only use the related keywords one time per article/post?
        To be honest, I still haven't figured out if Google "counts" their "related keywords" along with the "keywords" together when figuring the percentage or not.

        I'm still experimenting and testing to see how they treat the use of their "suggested related keywords" in conjunction with the "keyword" itself.

        EzineArticles will not accept articles that go over a 2% keyword density so I have been testing articles using a 2% density for the actual keyword while trying to include a 2% density for the Google suggested related keywords.

        So far, it doesn't appear that Google counts the keyword and related keywords together to see if both groups combined go over the 2%.

        Still testing
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
    Many years ago, I started writing content that included what I will call "RSW" (Related Subject Words).

    I found that when I included RSW in my writing, the search engines found it to be more realistic and natural compared to "keyword stuffing".

    If I think about writing an article about "weddings", I stop and think about what would go into a "wedding".

    Flowers, minister, church decoration, bride, groom, best man,...

    Now when I start a quick outline, I include those other RSW keywords and phrases to not only make it easier to fill out the outline, but also add more related and natural content to my piece.

    When blogging, I could write a post on "weddings" that includes some of those other RSWs which would allow me to write posts about those other subjects like "Flower arrangements".

    The "flower" post would include "wedding" as the RSW and adds more wedding keywords without keyword stuffing and appears more natural to the reader.

    The RSWs like flowers, ministers, best man...give me more to write about while sticking to the original theme of weddings.

    I can fill out a blog with content pretty fast and can get outside links (backlinks) from related authority sites like flower shops, Bridal sites, sites for the Best Man...

    Using "Related Subject Words" is taking "related keywords" to another level in content writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author gsport11
    If you write naturally (keeping in mind your primary key phrase) the related keywords and LSI will take care of themselves. We never want to pack our key phrase into our content too many times. It seems unnatural to the reader (and will raise a red flag for the search engines). Thus, we naturally write with synonyms and closely related terms so that we do not become repetitive.

    Following that simple guideline for any good writing, the number of times we repeat the same terms will be fine. Write for the reader.
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  • Profile picture of the author SmallFry
    Thanks so much everyone, for all of your helpful replies!You guys rock :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    I could talk forever about LSI...lol...but, whenever I do, threads just fall off the front page almost as soon as I post...

    If anyone wants more information, I'll be glad to provide it.
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    • Profile picture of the author SmallFry
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      I could talk forever about LSI...lol...but, whenever I do, threads just fall off the front page almost as soon as I post...

      If anyone wants more information, I'll be glad to provide it.
      Hey, I love to hear info on here from anyone, lol...I'm still pretty new.I love learning from people in this forum, I'd love to hear what you know!!
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by SmallFry View Post

        Hey, I love to hear info on here from anyone, lol...I'm still pretty new.I love learning from people in this forum, I'd love to hear what you know!!
        p.s. SmallFry....I can't help but take notice when I see "Pennsylvania" next to someone's avatar section...

        ...I'm near the NJ border... (Easton/Philipsburg)
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        • Profile picture of the author SmallFry
          Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

          p.s. SmallFry....I can't help but take notice when I see "Pennsylvania" next to someone's avatar section...

          ...I'm near the NJ border... (Easton/Philipsburg)
          Hey, cool!!!I'm close to Pittsburgh...
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            ah...Pittsburgh...it's a big state, and that's pretty far from where I'm at...lol

            What everyone has said about LSI/LSA in this thread is accurate, for the most part. One thing I would caution you about is the potential to go off-topic in your articles. This can happen naturally as you delve into perhaps a personal story....

            Side stories CAN be OK if they are relevant to the theme of your article. You do risk harming your search engine ranking if you go off on tangents, whether intentionally or unintentionally, because of a personal story.

            That was just another tid-bit about LSI...

            On the surface, conceptually, it is very simple...however, one can stumble with it unknowingly and that can have devestating results and consequences.

            ....Which site(s) do you typically use for your article marketing, smallfry? Have you been using them for awhile? (If you are new to this, KUDOS to you for even bringing up LSI...)
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  • Profile picture of the author JGK
    LSI is common sense really...if the topic is dog grooming use words that people use around dog grooming...and use Google's KW tool to find them
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      ok...here goes...

      The reason why it is important to consider LSI is because, as the internet continues to evolve, search engines are getting better and better at analyzing your articles. Search engines are actually trying to figure out if your article is meant to provide valuable information, or if it is meant to trick them.

      It wasn't that long ago that you could use white lettering on a white background, which was invisible to the human eye and to the search engines, and successfully keyword stuff, without getting caught. Times have changed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        It wasn't that long ago that you could use white lettering on a white background, which was invisible to the human eye and to the search engines, and successfully keyword stuff, without getting caught. Times have changed.
        I think you've mis-spoke here. Text color that matches background color makes the test invisible to the human eye and NOT INVISIBLE to search engines. First, we know that search engines analyze the code of the page and there's no hiding text in the source code. Second, keyword stuffing wouldn't even work if the text was invisible to the search engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author SmallFry
    So far, only Ezine...but I've signed up with some other ones after someone on this forum advised me to do so :-) I only have 30 articles so far :-( I really need to step it up (my oldest article is from May, so I've been very lazy about it!) I do keyword research on MNF, but I'm still not getting nearly as many views as I'd like!My total views for all of my articles combined?Only like 780 :-( So I'm working on building backlinks next!

    ETA-just checked my views, & it's 817, not 780.Still lower than I want though!
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