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Does e-junkie do everything Clickbank does?

by IMstudier
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Hi guys.

I'm thinking of swapping from CB to ejunkie to sell my products (I like the PDF stamping feature).

When browsing the ejunkie site, I saw their 'selling with clickbank' section. I don't get that. What's the point? Doesn't EJ replace CB?

EJ has the affiliate program, the buy now code, the redirect to thank you page, and so on, right?

Am I missing something here?

Thanks for any guidance guys.
#clickbank #ejunkie
  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    The key thing e-junkie doesn't have is exposure on the Clickbank affiliate market place. On Clickbank you will have people actively seeking out your product to promote it (as long as you kick start the affiliate recruitment yourself). On E-junkie you will have to do all your affiliate recruitment.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      When you come across garbage scam products like that 16 year old millionaire's money making system, you can see why some prefer to keep their products away from being associated with Clickbank....of course, when a $40+ commission is offered on something, people could care less if it's a scam, just so long as it sells. Sad.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Most vendors, for most products, have to do affiliate recruitment on Clickbank as well.

        The big difference is that Clickbank pays the affiliates their cut with an automated system, so the affiliates are not reliant on the vendor to get paid. To many affiliates, this is very attractive.
        Alexa,

        On clickbank, can you control who actually becomes your affiliate, or, if you introduce a product into the marketplace, can anyone just sign up and begin promoting your product right away?

        While I can understand that some would just want as many affiliates as possible to sell their product, I do a degree of teaching and pre-screening so that my affiliates aren't engaging in shady promotional techniques (being tricked)....I do feel that, if you just have anyone promote your product, you can inherently devalue it (more refund requests, because people feel tricked, etc...)
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            I know that affiliates ultimately want to make sure that their time invested in promoting is directly related to the most possible return. I can definitely see that, if one product would bear a $20 commission, while another would bear a $100 commission, for that same user, with established channels, it makes all the sense in the world to divert energy and resources to promoting the one that would earn the best return. (lol..that was a long sentence...did it make sense?)

            For the longest time, I've just associated Clickbank with junk, so that's essentially kept me from touching it, either as a product creator OR an affiliate....this thread has certainly opened my eyes up to a few possibilities though....and, I agree, I could potentially be limiting myself by NOT using Clickbank....

            I admit, managing affiliates, via eJunkie, can be a bit of a headache. Fortunately...fortunately....my refunds have been about 1 in every 100 sales or so, with eJunkie, I've just kept a very open line of communication with a very small handful of affiliates. In that sense, the automated aspect of Clickbank is really quite appealing right now. Things get a bit confusing to manage on eJunkie....

            P.s. you have no idea how much I value your input Alexa!

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            No, you can't, strictly speaking. The TOS to which you're agreeing as a vendor include, effectively, the fact that anyone who wants to can become an affiliate for your product. You don't have the right to know who they are, nor to contact them (though in reality you can easily encourage both by having an affiliates' page with some sort of incentivized opt-in for affiliates).



            I completely understand ... and for that reason Clickbank may not be so suitable for you, then. The problem is that in deciding not to use Clickbank, you're limiting yourself to affiliates who are willing to be paid directly by the vendor. To anyone knowing you, that won't be a problem in your case, obviously, but still it might, overall, be "limiting the field" a little?

            (My own concern about becoming an affiliate for your product, if we're talking about the same one, isn't the location: it's the price - in that I consider it significantly underpriced! But this is (a) a different matter altogether and (b) none of my business anyway ).
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              Alexa,

              When deciding to promote a Clickbank product, are there any other particular criteria that you look at (besides what Clickbank gives you internally)? Do you do further research into the product?

              The thing is, with regards to that 16 year old millionaire system, there have been some very prominent Warriors who have been outspoken about it, with a wealth of substantiated proof. Yet....tons of affiliates are promoting it and earning a nice penny from it....

              I guess this gets into ethics here....but, for me, it's a bit deeper, as I'm not entirely sure why Clickbank allows it in the first place....
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                • Profile picture of the author IMstudier
                  Thanks for the responses guys.

                  So it is only the CB affiliate program I'd be missing out on?

                  EJ has its own payment processor then? Or so I have to use Paypal or something else for that?
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                • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                  Thanks, Alexa!

                  ...as far as the 16 year old millionaire product, you can see it here:
                  The Rich 16-Year-Old's New Millionaire System (not an affiliate link, of course...lol)

                  Besides, IMHO, being a bit on the annoying side, it does seem to take a similar approach that the Rich Jerk did.

                  Here is a WF thread about it:
                  http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...-year-old.html

                  Unfortunately, alot more digging led to VERY very lengthy posts that revolved around debunking that it was really a truthful, legit product. I'm not saying that it isn't possibly for a 16 year old to make that much....but, it certainly isn't common....

                  I did make an "ass-u-mption" about affiliates earning alot. It does currently have a 91.06 gravity...Iv'e seen alot of Adwords ads for it....I guess the point was more that it has gained alot of interest from people who are ready (and willing) to promote. I'm assuming that alot of people are promoting it, and, from an ethical standpoint, had they done any type of research prior to promoting it, they would see the background behind it. Of course, when money is involved, and a hefty 75% commission, I do expect some people to roll their eyes when they read this post...lol...it's just not a product I would personally promote, because of some of the things I have discovered about it.

                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  Ooh, I can answer this one, and in detail, no less: I have a post ready that already answered it. It's here.



                  I can't place this one, to be honest (sounds like I'm not missing much?).



                  How do you know this? You may well be right - not trying to argue the point: all I'm saying is that if it's a very high gravity product (as I suspect?) you can't necessarily assume that any affiliates are actually earning anything worth talking about out of it at all, for all the reasons given here, here, here and here.



                  I'm not sure what the "it" is that we're referring to, to be honest. But if you're considering listing your product on Clickbank, I wouldn't let the fact that they also sell plenty of crap (which they certainly do) put you off - because it won't put off customers who want to buy your product (or very, very few, anyway - they won't see Clickbank's other products, will they?) and they won't be finding yours "through Clickbank" anyway, as commented above: they'll be finding it "through Howie's website" or "through Howies' affiliates' websites". :confused:
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                    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                      Honestly, what did you think of her voice and presentation? It seemed like a bit of a lame attempt at pulling off the Rich Jerk-style of marketing....

                      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                      Thank you (I think!) ... eew, I knew I shouldn't have asked. Interesting "sales copy" that seems to use "tried and tested testimonials" (i.e. previously used by someone else with different names on them?! ).



                      That can be self-perpetuating. They're attracted by what they think of as "good gravity" () and start promoting it (e.g. by AdWords). Eventually they all make a sale or two out of 500 or 800 clicks, and that puts the gravity up from 100 to 200 of course, and then more affiliates see it and think "Ooh, this one's gravity's climbing; it 'must' be selling well () so I'd better try it", and then before you know where you are the gravity's 400, but the conversion-rate still sucks.

                      Maybe.

                      Alternatively, of course, I'm speaking purely from prejudice and it's a supremely ethical, totally legitimate product, and every affiliate is selling huge numbers of it, and the conversion rate is perfectly adequate ().



                      LOL - I'm with you there: in fact, I didn't need to "discover" anything about it: 5 seconds on the sales page was enough.
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        • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
          Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

          Alexa,

          On clickbank, can you control who actually becomes your affiliate, or, if you introduce a product into the marketplace, can anyone just sign up and begin promoting your product right away?
          Well, in my opinion, you could, but it would take a bit of tweaking to get it going. You could have several products setup on different payment links and have your main page - the one that appears in the Marketplace - setup as an information or sign-up page for affiliates.

          You could then deliver your affiliate links via autoresponder and simply delete those you don't want. Perhaps it's a bit cludgy, but it would work.

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  • Profile picture of the author dustoff
    Another affiliate program is rapbank. Anyone know about it and if so what are your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Freeman77
    I personally use e-Junkie and Clickbank. My Clickbank products that are available for sale (or for affiliates to promote) are delivered via e-Junkie. I like e-Junkie because of the convenience, and it keeps my products safer than if I had a secret download page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christophe Young
    I also use both. E-junkie has an affiliate program and market place but not nearly the size of the one on CB.

    I was only able to get a handful of affiliates on EJ and none of them made any sales. Of course, I didn't do any promoting and I'm waiting until I ramp up my business a bit before I do.

    My Clickbank site always had a lot of affiliates, most didn't make any sales. Only a small percentage did. Again, NO promoting.

    I'm planning on doing some real affiliate promoting once I change around my site and add a higher priced back end product.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by Christophe Young View Post

      I also use both. E-junkie has an affiliate program and market place but not nearly the size of the one on CB.

      I was only able to get a handful of affiliates on EJ and none of them made any sales. Of course, I didn't do any promoting and I'm waiting until I ramp up my business a bit before I do.

      My Clickbank site always had a lot of affiliates, most didn't make any sales. Only a small percentage did. Again, NO promoting.

      I'm planning on doing some real affiliate promoting once I change around my site and add a higher priced back end product.
      I had heard of the possibility of integrating eJunkie with Clickbank before...but, I was hesitant to go that route because of the perceived low value of alot of the products there. Like Alexa had said though (earlier in this thread), that may not be cause for the concern I placed on it. (That people wouldn't relate my sales page, to all the other sales pages on Clickbank, per se)
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by IMstudier View Post

    Am I missing something here?
    E-Junkie doesn't pay your affiliates. You have to do that yourself.

    Similarly, Clickbank doesn't deliver your product. You have to do that yourself.

    Put them together and it's a pretty good combo... but personally, I only do E-Junkie at the moment. I keep thinking about putting a product or two on CB, but then I decide not to.
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