Just Helping A Poor VA Out...

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Right now I have a VA who I don't need anymore. She's from Philippines and from a very poor background. I feel guilty just dumping her like that so I was wondering if anyone is looking to hire a VA.

She's hardworking, skilled in SEO/Link Building/Link Wheels. Good communicator. She can work 8 hours a day for $50 a week.

Right now shes even struggling with buying food for her and her family. It's a shame as she's quite skilled and can be easily trained.

I'm just trying to help her out, I don't get any commission or anything.

Anyway thanks for reading. Again I'm not trying to promote anyone or anything, just trying to help.

Thanks,
Adam
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  • Profile picture of the author Topher143
    Adam,

    I can probably use the services of your VA. I have several ecommerce sites. Only problem is, i'm not an IM'er. I've outsourced this in the past. So I would not be able to give her much direction. Is she skilled enough to take the lead and come up with a link building plan?

    Your thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    If she can write and spin articles, I can hire her on monthly basis. I've already paid $1000+ on article writing this month.

    If she has other IM-related skills, let me know. I can help out.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanRobinson
    How can you feel sorry for someone in her situation when your already exploiting them by paying them $50 to work 40+ hours a week for your own personal gain. The work she does for you probably nets you 4 times as much as what she earns.

    I guess some people's morals are different to others...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by RyanRobinson View Post

      How can you feel sorry for someone in her situation when your already exploiting them by paying them $50 to work 40+ hours a week for your own personal gain. The work she does for you probably nets you 4 times as much as what she earns.
      He's paying her $200 a month.

      In the Philippines, the average nurse makes around $150 per month. The average construction worker earns about the same. Salespeople earn an average of around $125 per month.

      So, how has he been exploiting his VA?
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      • Profile picture of the author RyanRobinson
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        He's paying her $200 a month.
        So, how has he been exploiting his VA?
        It's just my opinion at the end of the day.

        I'm sorry, but I wasn't aware of the average national income of the Philippines. When you put it into context like that, I suppose it's not too bad compared to other professions. But the OP still says she's starving and struggling to feed her family. I guess the OP was just trying to help her out.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        He's paying her $200 a month.

        In the Philippines, the average nurse makes around $150 per month. The average construction worker earns about the same. Salespeople earn an average of around $125 per month.

        So, how has he been exploiting his VA?

        The point is she is living a destitute Life and in dire circumstances from what I gather. What other people make surrounding her is to some point irrevelant. If someone is making a boatload of Money off someone elses work then that person doing the work should at least be paid accordingly. And it does NOT have anything to do with what people around her are getting.
        This kind of mindset really irks me and it is cop out attitude. Also a greedy one at that. Yes this is exploitation, IMO !!
        Pay the women according to how much she produces for you on a fair and equitable basis. Your making the cheese so why not share a small portion of it for someone who deserves it.


        I agree its hard for me to take the OP seriously. And is he really feeling sorry for her by paying $50 a week for 40 hours work ??

        Thats ridicolous by anyone's freaking standard !!
        It reminds me of indentured slavery !!!
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      • Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post


        In the Philippines, the average nurse makes around $150 per month.
        Just want to correct this erroneous statement which can be mistaken for a fact. Entry level nurses here in Manila, fresh graduates, are currently paid $265/month (@ Php45 per $1). In the provinces, it's $220/month, due to lower cost of living but not necessarily lower living standards if I may say. That's for 8 hours/day 5 days/week 20 work days/month. They're given health benefits, housing loans, social security insurance, employee insurance, training, seminars, allowances for seminars and conferences, etc. Nurses with more than 2 years experience are on the other hand paid $400/month, with all those benefits. I think you're talking about nurses who volunteer to go to medical missions in the provinces and depressed urban communities -- these are children of affluent families here, and most of them seek political careers as their main long term objective, so that drives them to do this --- they have enough money from their parents anyway. Now in most developed countries, ICT professionals are paid much higher than nurses.

        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post


        The average construction worker earns about the same.
        Wrong again. Informally employed construction workers, those who work after a few months of apprenticeship, without the proper safety equipment and tools, are paid, on a subcontractual arrangement here, $9/day. Meals and lodging are provided free during the term of the subcontract, and allowances are given regularly. The main thing why this is a low paying job = a lot, and I mean a lot, of people can do this here. That's not the same thing with ICT (Information & Communications Technology) skills, knowledge and experience, more so if coupled with proficient English communication skills as well as high levels of comprehension and analytical capabilities. Construction workers formally employed by private construction firms and government offices here are on the other hand paid $300/month, entry level.

        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        Salespeople earn an average of around $125 per month.
        Wrong again. You're referring to salespeople who work via a commission per sale arrangement with daily allowance, and they're given $150 monthly allowance and a 10% commission per sale on products and contracts worth $1000 and above, in which average sales of a diligent salesperson per month = $5000. Offshore telemarketers here are on the other hand paid $370/month and given high commissions per sale, incentives/rewards for exceptional work, employee insurance, benefits like social security insurance, housing loans from the gov't, health insurance, and company emergency loans, and that's entry level.

        Reckon here's something to think about: You can hire 5 professionals here with the same skills, proficiency, knowledge and experience here for the price of 1 professional in the West, though each professional here will live off from double minimum wage salary, which, even if it's double minimum wages, would still mean you either need a spouse working for the same wages as yours, or for you to have 2 to 3 double minimum wage jobs, for a family of 4. Well anyway, I think a professional in the West paid 5 times the professional monthly wages of people here (double minimum wages) would still need to either have a spouse working a full time shift, or have 2 to 3 jobs now, wouldn't they, for a family of four, with the only thing different = government and private banking industry support?
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by RyanRobinson View Post

      The work she does for you probably nets you 4 times as much as what she earns.

      .
      Welcome to what is often termed.. a business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cash37
      Originally Posted by RyanRobinson View Post

      How can you feel sorry for someone in her situation when your already exploiting them by paying them $50 to work 40+ hours a week for your own personal gain. The work she does for you probably nets you 4 times as much as what she earns.

      I guess some people's morals are different to others...
      It's a different country.
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    Adam, thanks for the heads-up. PM Sent.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarafina
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    The point is she is living a destitute Life and in dire circumstances from what I gather. What other people make surrounding her is to some point irrevelant. If someone is making a boatload of Money off someone elses work then that person doing the work should at least be paid accordingly. And it does NOT have anything to do with what people around her are getting.
    This kind of mindset really irks me and it is cop out attitude. Also a greedy one at that. Yes this is exploitation, IMO !!
    Pay the women according to how much she produces for you on a fair and equitable basis. Your making the cheese so why not share a small portion of it for someone who deserves it.


    I agree its hard for me to take the OP seriously. And is he really feeling sorry for her by paying $50 a week for 40 hours work ??

    Thats ridicolous by anyone's freaking standard !!
    Its indentured slavery !!!
    Actually what other people make around her is not irrelevant. It demonstrates that the wage she gets is not a bad wage at all. The reason she is destitute is likely because the op doesn't need her anymore and she hasn't been working, not because of her wage.

    An employer has all the risks involved with running a business and therefore gets the lions share of the profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by sarafina View Post

      Actually what other people make around her is not irrelevant. It demonstrates that the wage she gets is not a bad wage at all. The reason she is destitute is likely because the op doesn't need her anymore and she hasn't been working, not because of her wage.

      An employer has all the risks involved with running a business and therefore gets the lions share of the profit.
      I say pay her what she is worth. Why the GREED ?? $50 for 40 hours work ?? This is why we have 3rd World Countries on our hands. This does not promote Prosperity to a Level that many of these Countries will have any kind of long term Modernization.
      And then for some puzzling reason we cant figure out why we have to bail out these substandard societies when unforseeable events and disasters occur. Wonder why ?? DUH
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I say pay her what she is worth. Why the GREED ?? $50 for 40 hours work ?? This is why we have 3rd World Countries on our hands. This does not promote Prosperity to a Level that many of these Countries will have any kind of long term Modernization.
        He's not forcing her to take the work. She could say "no" to $50 per week.

        And, what's stopping her from setting up her own websites, creating her own content, building her own backlinks, and so on? Is it because she prefers to make a guaranteed $50 per week as opposed to risking making more or nothing at all?

        Aside from that, if he pays her what would be standard wages in his country, then why would he bother outsourcing at all? He could hire someone locally. Then, the woman in the Philippines would have not had that opportunity. She'd be making $0 per week instead of the $50 per week he was paying her.

        I'm not sure how denying opportunities to third world countries is going to promote prosperity.
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      • Profile picture of the author sarafina
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I say pay her what she is worth. Why the GREED ?? $50 for 40 hours work ?? This is why we have 3rd World Countries on our hands. This does not promote Prosperity to a Level that many of these Countries will have any kind of long term Modernization.
        And then for some puzzling reason we cant figure out why we have to bail out these substandard societies when unforseeable events and disasters occur. Wonder why ?? DUH
        There are a ton of 3rd world countries that would love to have foreigners employ them for $200 usd a month because that would in most cases equal a great wage where they're at. You obviously fail to grasp what $50 for 40 hours of work is in their local currency and how it can impact their life.

        People outsource to 3rd world countries for this reason. Its currency arbitrage. If employers had to pay 3rd world workers significantly higher wages, they would stop and just keep employing people in their own damn country. The employer nets less money, the outsourced worker losses a job and nobody really wins.

        This is nothing new or groundbreaking either. Business don't pay employees based on the intrinsic value they bring to the company. They pay a fair wage based on the job description, cost of living and other employment in that area. I worked for one of the top banks in Canada and we were expected to do $4 million in mutual fund sales a year. How much did we make? $45k per annum which was standard for that entry level position amongst many banks. Are you suggesting that I be paid what I was worth in this case? I didn't think so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohsin Rasool
    Guys do not let this debate of Fair or Not fair effect her next job... If you need some VA please hire her. That would be really great for her and for her family.

    Thanks for the heads-up Adam.

    Regards,
    Mohsin
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Warriors, please put it into perspective:

    40 hours a week means the VA only works 8hrs per day, 5 days a week.

    $50 a week means that she earns $200 a month.

    I have hire Filippino domestic helpers who work for me in Singapore and they told me that US$200 can actually feed a family of 5-6 for ONE MONTH.

    And as what Dan as mentioned: "In the Philippines, the average nurse makes around $150 per month. The average construction worker earns about the same. Salespeople earn an average of around $125 per month."

    To be really exact about how much is $200 worth to a Filipino:

    Using the Big-Mac Index, a Big-Mac will cost 30peso in The Philippines. That's US$0.66 since the exchange rate is 30Peso=US$0.66

    That's to say, with US$200 per month pay, they can buy AT LEAST THREE HUNDRED BIG-MAC A MONTH. A family of 5 can happily each eat 2 big-macs for a month!

    Please look at the issue at global perspective, not from your country's perspective.


    EDIT: If you don't know what is Big-Max Index, here's the link to understand more:
    http://www.economist.com/markets/bigmac/about.cfm
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    • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      Warriors, please put it into perspective:

      40 hours a week means the VA only works 8hrs per day, 5 days a week.

      $50 a week means that she earns $200 a month.

      I have hire Filippino domestic helpers who work for me in Singapore and they told me that US$200 can actually feed a family of 5-6 for ONE MONTH.

      And as what Dan as mentioned: "In the Philippines, the average nurse makes around $150 per month. The average construction worker earns about the same. Salespeople earn an average of around $125 per month."

      To be really exact about how much is $200 worth to a Filipino:

      Using the Big-Mac Index, a Big-Mac will cost 30peso in The Philippines. That's US$0.66 since the exchange rate is 30Peso=US$0.66

      That's to say, with US$200 per month pay, they can buy AT LEAST THREE HUNDRED BIG-MAC A MONTH. A family of 5 can happily each eat 2 big-macs for a month!

      Please look at the issue at global perspective, not from your country's perspective.
      A Big Mac is P102 in the Philippines currently. 102.00 PHP=2.30717 USD

      Adjusting your calculations that would be 87 Big Macs per month.
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      • Originally Posted by Lyanna View Post


        A Big Mac is P102 in the Philippines currently. 102.00 PHP=2.30717 USD
        Let's use rice instead, the Filipino staple. We wouldn't want our children eating Big Macs, fries, sundaes and the like day in day out, after all

        2 Big Macs, Php204, can feed a Western national for around 8 hours or 2 meals. 2.5 kilos of rice, which costs around Php110, plus great seafood like tilapia and bangus, around Php120 per kilo, can feed 1 Filipino for 12 hours or 3 full meals. That means $5 can buy 1 Filipino food for the day, but not a Western national, for he'd need $7 just to eat 3 Big Macs. That means nutritious food is cheaper here However, average minimum wage in the West is $12/hour, and here: it's $1.50/hour.So, how much is nutritious food in the West? Say around $70 for 3 full meals, for one person? Then, the Western national earning minimum wage needs to just work 6 hours per day and an additional 6 hours for other expenses. The Filipino minimum wage earner should on the other hand work just 3 hours for 3 meals, for 1 person, and 6 hours more for other expenses.
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

          Let's use rice instead, the Filipino staple. We wouldn't want our children eating Big Macs, fries, sundaes and the like day in day out, after all

          2 Big Macs, Php204, can feed a Western national for around 8 hours or 2 meals. 2.5 kilos of rice, which costs around Php110, plus great seafood like tilapia and bangus, around Php120 per kilo, can feed 1 Filipino for 12 hours or 3 full meals. That means $5 can buy 1 Filipino food for the day, but not a Western national, for he'd need $7 just to eat 3 Big Macs. That means nutritious food is cheaper here However, average minimum wage in the West is $12/hour, and here: it's $1.50/hour.So, how much is nutritious food in the West? Say around $70 for 3 full meals, for one person? Then, the Western national earning minimum wage needs to just work 6 hours per day and an additional 6 hours for other expenses. The Filipino minimum wage earner should on the other hand work just 3 hours for 3 meals, for 1 person, and 6 hours more for other expenses.

          Thank you for bringing real facts to this discussion... It was a breath of fresh air...

          I have just learned about outsourcing to the Philippines this week...

          Your numbers have made it really easy to understand how to offer someone in your country a fair wage...

          I also found a smile when you started quoting numbers related to Americans... LOL

          You suggested the average minimum wage is $12 an hour... The federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 an hour... A few states have higher minimum wages... Washington State has the highest minimum wage in the U.S. of $8.55 per hour... I had often thought that California had the highest minimum wage in the country, but not true... The current minimum wage in California is $8.00 an hour...

          You suggested that Americans may pay, "Say around $70 for 3 full meals, for one person?" Only if one eats in the most expensive restaurants in the country... If I ate three meals a day at the Subway sandwich store, it would cost me roughly $25 per day to eat, buying just for myself...

          Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

          Let's use rice instead, the Filipino staple. We wouldn't want our children eating Big Macs, fries, sundaes and the like day in day out, after all
          I don't want my kids eating at McDonald's at all... Or Burger King... LOL My kids ask to eat at McDonald's at least once a day... Damn advertising... If it were left to me, my kids would never eat at McDonald's... Their food makes "ME" sick... Nasty stuff... Same with Burger King... Nasty...

          The only time my kids get to eat at McDonald's is when their mother takes them, about once a month...

          Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

          So, how much is nutritious food in the West?
          I feed my family of five on about $600 per month, buying only food from the grocery store, and the majority of that food, healthy food...


          p.s. Your story is inspiring... You have overcome a disability that would defeat many people... And you have started bringing prosperity to many in your own country... Keep up the good work...
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Carn
    Originally Posted by RyanRobinson View Post

    How can you feel sorry for someone in her situation when your already exploiting them by paying them $50 to work 40+ hours a week for your own personal gain. The work she does for you probably nets you 4 times as much as what she earns.

    I guess some people's morals are different to others...
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    I say pay her what she is worth. Why the GREED ?? $50 for 40 hours work ?? This is why we have 3rd World Countries on our hands. This does not promote Prosperity to a Level that many of these Countries will have any kind of long term Modernization.
    And then for some puzzling reason we cant figure out why we have to bail out these substandard societies when unforseeable events and disasters occur. Wonder why ?? DUH
    I didn't say that's how much I paid her, I said that's how much she charges. If her future employer wants to pay her more than that then hats off to them. I definitely wasn't exploiting her. I'm not going to sit here and boast of how well I paid her because that's not my style. I don't need to prove myself.

    Anyway thanks to all who have PM'd me, will get back to you soon with her details.

    Thanks,
    Adam
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  • Profile picture of the author 2d0k
    Why did this thread become a debate when what the OP just wanted to do was to help her?

    I never could understand it.

    Thank you Adam for the heads up.
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  • Profile picture of the author dwave
    Honestly guys I would watch out, I say take the risk I'm a huge risk taker, but I want to give you guys some of my experience. A lot of these vas are very good story tellers, just to get more out of you. My vas were asking me for 1 week pay upfront. So just keep that in mind. Vas are awesome and yes you can get good rates, but they have there stories which in most cases are lies.
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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      If the OP was a heartless exploiter, as some people seem to be perceiving him, why would he have bothered starting this thread at all?

      Abdul.
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    • Originally Posted by dwave View Post

      Honestly guys I would watch out, I say take the risk I'm a huge risk taker, but I want to give you guys some of my experience. A lot of these vas are very good story tellers, just to get more out of you. My vas were asking me for 1 week pay upfront. So just keep that in mind. Vas are awesome and yes you can get good rates, but they have there stories which in most cases are lies.
      Aren't many people good story tellers, but not necessarily liars, and aren't all hasty generalizations false, including this one?
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  • Originally Posted by Adam Carn View Post

    Right now I have a VA who I don't need anymore. She's from Philippines and from a very poor background. I feel guilty just dumping her like that so I was wondering if anyone is looking to hire a VA.

    She's hardworking, skilled in SEO/Link Building/Link Wheels. Good communicator. She can work 8 hours a day for $50 a week.

    Right now shes even struggling with buying food for her and her family. It's a shame as she's quite skilled and can be easily trained.

    I'm just trying to help her out, I don't get any commission or anything.

    Anyway thanks for reading. Again I'm not trying to promote anyone or anything, just trying to help.

    Thanks,
    Adam
    Kindly send her contact details to my email marxvergelmelencio@gmail.com]here[/EMAIL] please. If she qualifies with our company standards, I can hire her for double her $200 monthly wages, and she can also have a chance to run her own business real soon, say an average of 2 years, after she goes through our constant rigorous training processes, which I provide as opportunities for all company employees and even homebased subcontractors.

    Thanks!
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