Should I ask TOP Gurus to partner with me?

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Hi,
Im about to launch a new product and Ive spent a lot of money and time developing the product. So, I really don't want to leave any stone unturned before its launch.

1) Is it ethical and permissible to ask the BIG NAMES in the Internet Marketing Industry (Filsaime, Chia etc) to JV with me to promote the product during its launch?
2) If yes, then could you guys let me know which people should I ask for JVing with me?

One thing Im sure of: The product can become a hot seller if I can market it properly.
I know Im dreaming big, but, so do we all...

BTW, Ive already sent a mail to Filsaime, and am expecting a reply soon..

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
    Sure why not. Ask, ask, ask. Asking is the way to get things you want.

    But just remember, for every Filsaime there are hundreds of smaller players who have 2k, 5k, 7k, 10k, 12k, 20k+ subscribers.

    In other words don't think you *need* the big guys to succeed. You don't.

    Best regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
      OK. Thanks for the thumbs up.
      Its absolutely true that there are hundreds of other smaller players.
      But, that's the difference here. Either I :
      a) Go around finding those hundred smaller players and ask EACH of them.. (It would take me a ton of time)
      b) I could ask the TOP gurus and even if 1 of them agrees to promote my product, them Im in for a gold rush..

      The only problem is I don't know WHICH gurus to go ask.. Moreover, HOW to find their email addresses to send a JV request.

      Update: I also sent an email just now to Jeff Mulligan
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

        b) I could ask the TOP gurus and even if 1 of them agrees to promote my product, them Im in for a gold rush..
        I'm afraid I'm going to have to inject a dose of reality here so you're not too
        disappointed when that gold rush starts.

        Let's say a top guru DOES decide to promote your product.

        Guess what?

        Doesn't guarantee anything.

        The product has to be just the right fit for his list. The sales page still
        has to be solid. Just because you're on a guru's list doesn't mean you
        buy everything he recommends. I sure don't.

        But let's talk real numbers.

        I had a top guru promote one of my products.

        I made a handful of sales.

        I'm not sure what the problem was, but it doesn't matter.

        Just getting a big name to promote your product is not a guarantee to
        riches.

        I found that out the hard way.
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        • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          The product has to be just the right fit for his list. The sales page still
          has to be solid. Just because you're on a guru's list doesn't mean you
          buy everything he recommends. I sure don't.
          Thoughtful reply, but THAT's where I'm the Winner.
          The product is IM Related and basically a product FOR helping Affiliates.
          Most of these BIG Names have their lists built around Affiliates/IM People. So, my product is a perfect fit for the big guns... That's the reason WHY I though about this idea in the first place.. any thoughts.. (P.S. : ive sent you a PM as well, Steve .. Im my eyes, you're as good a guru as anyone else)
          Moreover, Im still waiting for some responses on the names of people whom I can contact...
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          • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
            I have heard that Reed Floren is a great JV broker!
            Maybe you should be looking for JV bokers instead of the big players.
            A good JV broker can bring together both the "small" players as well
            as the "guru's" Something you should look into.

            Also are you promoting a software or a info product?
            The big guns have info products in almost every sub-niche in the IM
            niche so try not to step on anyone. A software is much more likely
            to be accepted if it solves a problem or helps doing something that
            the big guns are already selling information products about!

            Ebbi
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            • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
              Originally Posted by Ebbi View Post

              Also are you promoting a software or a info product?
              The big guns have info products in almost every sub-niche in the IM
              niche so try not to step on anyone. A software is much more likely
              to be accepted if it solves a problem or helps doing something that
              the big guns are already selling information products about!

              Ebbi
              I'm so glad that you asked this question.. My product is a software product! Yipee! That means I'm in an advantageous position already.
              Ill contact Reed Floren and see what happens...


              @ Scott: I absolutely agree that marketing with gurus may/may not result in huge sales. But, I do know one thing for a fact: The gurus can help me reach a mass audience like no other. So, its worth a shot.
              The best thing would be to combine both small list people and the gurus.. Then, you're in for a roller coaster

              Have any of you tried this strategy and actually implemented it in a big way? I would be encouraged by some success stories ...
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              • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
                Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

                Have any of you tried this strategy and actually implemented it in a big way? I would be encouraged by some success stories ...
                Sure thing. A personal success story.

                I've done a ton in the real estate investing niche in the past. A few years back I created an electronically delivered training product that I knew would complement - not compete with - what all the trainers were already selling in the foreclosure market.

                I should also mention I created my product based on actual hands-on experience with a particular method.

                So what I did was I created a killer marketing sequence and tested it on a list of a few thousand folks that I had scraped together. Tracked all the conversions, etc. etc.

                Made a few tweaks to it and quickly got the conversion to a solid 15-20% - meaning 15-20 out of every 100 people who heard the pitch (in this case it was a teleclass) purchased the course - which is an insane and admittedly rare conversion %.

                I then got in touch with a list owner I had connected with a year or so earlier who I knew had at least a decent sized list of 10-12k. Sent him an intro e-mail, requested a phone call, told him what I was doing and gave the stats.

                It took no time because it was simple and easy to explain to him. He immediately understood what I was selling. He immediately knew that his customers would want the product and why they would want it.

                He could also tell that I was committed to quality in both product and support. This is critical!!! If your support is horrible your JV customer suffers badly for having referred you...it's a reflection on THEM in the customer's eyes.

                Anyway we did the teleclass with his list and got a 17% conversion on a $500 product. The sales volume was so large our merchant account shut us down temporarily until we explained what had happened. The JV partner was so thrilled we did it a bunch more times over the next year.

                An important note about this is that there are SCALING issues to deal with when you JV to a larger list the first time. You'd better be prepared in terms of product delivery *and* especially support. Critical, critical, critical.

                So what happened after that? Well the JV partner told all of his marketer friends and we did the same exact thing with 5 or 6 other marketers.

                This my friends is how to go from nothing to five figures per month. GREAT product that complements what the JV partners are selling, GREAT offer for the customers, GREAT conversions.

                Don't make it any more complicated than that.

                Best regards,
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                • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
                  Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post

                  Sure thing. A personal success story.

                  I've done a ton in the real estate investing niche in the past. A few years back I created an electronically delivered training product that I knew would complement - not compete with - what all the trainers were already selling in the foreclosure market.

                  I should also mention I created my product based on actual hands-on experience with a particular method.

                  So what I did was I created a killer marketing sequence and tested it on a list of a few thousand folks that I had scraped together. Tracked all the conversions, etc. etc.

                  Made a few tweaks to it and quickly got the conversion to a solid 15-20% - meaning 15-20 out of every 100 people who heard the pitch (in this case it was a teleclass) purchased the course - which is an insane and admittedly rare conversion %.

                  I then got in touch with a list owner I had connected with a year or so earlier who I knew had at least a decent sized list of 10-12k. Sent him an intro e-mail, requested a phone call, told him what I was doing and gave the stats.

                  It took no time because it was simple and easy to explain to him. He immediately understood what I was selling. He immediately knew that his customers would want the product and why they would want it.

                  He could also tell that I was committed to quality in both product and support. This is critical!!! If your support is horrible your JV customer suffers badly for having referred you...it's a reflection on THEM in the customer's eyes.

                  Anyway we did the teleclass with his list and got a 17% conversion on a $500 product. The sales volume was so large our merchant account shut us down temporarily until we explained what had happened. The JV partner was so thrilled we did it a bunch more times over the next year.

                  An important note about this is that there are SCALING issues to deal with when you JV to a larger list the first time. You'd better be prepared in terms of product delivery *and* especially support. Critical, critical, critical.

                  So what happened after that? Well the JV partner told all of his marketer friends and we did the same exact thing with 5 or 6 other marketers.

                  This my friends is how to go from nothing to five figures per month. GREAT product that complements what the JV partners are selling, GREAT offer for the customers, GREAT conversions.

                  Don't make it any more complicated than that.

                  Best regards,
                  Ken
                  Great post Ken. The key as you say is to have a great product that fits the list holders current product range and if you can prove good conversions the better.

                  Rich
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      • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
        Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

        OK. Thanks for the thumbs up.
        Its absolutely true that there are hundreds of other smaller players.
        But, that's the difference here. Either I :
        a) Go around finding those hundred smaller players and ask EACH of them.. (It would take me a ton of time)
        b) I could ask the TOP gurus and even if 1 of them agrees to promote my product, them Im in for a gold rush..

        The only problem is I don't know WHICH gurus to go ask.. Moreover, HOW to find their email addresses to send a JV request.

        Update: I also sent an email just now to Jeff Mulligan
        Why not just try a couple of posts on some JV forums. We have one right down the street here.
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      • Profile picture of the author ragnartm
        Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

        OK. Thanks for the thumbs up.
        Its absolutely true that there are hundreds of other smaller players.
        But, that's the difference here. Either I :
        a) Go around finding those hundred smaller players and ask EACH of them.. (It would take me a ton of time)
        b) I could ask the TOP gurus and even if 1 of them agrees to promote my product, them Im in for a gold rush..

        The only problem is I don't know WHICH gurus to go ask.. Moreover, HOW to find their email addresses to send a JV request.

        Update: I also sent an email just now to Jeff Mulligan
        Oh no time.. jeesus I wouldn't spend some time to earn a few thousand extra, that sounds like a bad idea yeah. How about, a) you get a good number of jv partners make your product red hot and then the "TOP gurus" will have a higher probability of JVing with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      Let's say a top guru DOES decide to promote your product.

      Guess what?

      Doesn't guarantee anything.
      Originally Posted by Ken Preuss View Post


      But just remember, for every Filsaime there are hundreds of smaller players who have 2k, 5k, 7k, 10k, 12k, 20k+ subscribers.

      In other words don't think you *need* the big guys to succeed. You don't.
      This is an incredibly important inclusion. As Steve mentioned, a top guru in the pre-launch doesn't guarantee success. All it does it puts your offer in front of more people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Green
    If I were you I would contact Willie Crawford because he is really good at setting these things up with bigger names. It is definitely worth a shot. Willie has the experience with this to help you out.

    Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
      Originally Posted by Mary Green View Post

      If I were you I would contact Willie Crawford because he is really good at setting these things up with bigger names. It is definitely worth a shot. Willie has the experience with this to help you out.

      Good Luck
      Thanks Mary,
      I just sent a PM to Willie Crawford. Im hoping for a positive reply from his side.
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      • Profile picture of the author vic_msn
        Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

        Thanks Mary,
        I just sent a PM to Willie Crawford. Im hoping for a positive reply from his side.
        keep us updated.
        hope u succeed in this
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Jones
    Why not start small with people on the same level as you? It would be easier to get a handful of people with responsive lists of around 1,000 people than find one person with a big list to promote your product.
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    • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
      Originally Posted by Phil Jones View Post

      Why not start small with people on the same level as you? It would be easier to get a handful of people with responsive lists of around 1,000 people than find one person with a big list to promote your product.
      If such people with small lists are easy to find and bring on my side, then Ill be more than willing to give it a shot.
      Quick question? : How do I find those small-list people?
      What technique would YOU use to convince them to join your league?
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  • Profile picture of the author AskJesusLeon
    Good luck with your product, a JV with a "guru" will work, you never know unless you ask right. Even if they decide it's not for them dont get discouraged, you still put the product out there and aim for the stars!!
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    • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
      Originally Posted by AskJesusLeon View Post

      Good luck with your product, a JV with a "guru" will work, you never know unless you ask right. Even if they decide it's not for them dont get discouraged, you still put the product out there and aim for the stars!!
      Thanks a lot for the encouragement. I really appreciate it.

      BTW, update: Ive contacted the famous Reed Floren via email. Let's see what his response is like.
      fingers totally crossed...
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      • Profile picture of the author gsharp
        Reed Floren is great. I'm one of his clients. One thing I'll tell you is that you might need to buy his course to get his attention, although with the bonuses he throws in, it's worth it and can really establish you in your market.

        Reed also recommends starting with the TOP and working your way down. Start with the top marketers in your niche. Skip email and get them on the phone. You'll be surprised at how many will actually be willing to talk with you and help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Allen
    Before approaching anyone to JV with, you should test your copy's conversion rate. Then, and only then, if it's converting at a respectable rate, then you can approach others regardless whether it's a "guru" or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
      Originally Posted by Dave Allen View Post

      Before approaching anyone to JV with, you should test your copy's conversion rate. Then, and only then, if it's converting at a respectable rate, then you can approach others regardless whether it's a "guru" or not.
      That is some good advice!
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    • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
      Before approaching anyone to JV with, you should test your copy's conversion rate. Then, and only then, if it's converting at a respectable rate, then you can approach others regardless whether it's a "guru" or not.
      Ummm.. True to a certain extent. But, not actually feasible in my scenario. I am planning for the JV's during the pre-launch and launch phases.
      An alternative would be to be involved in a lot of pre-launch promotion NOW. then, wait for a week after launch to see the conversions, and then judge on whether to look for more JV's/Gurus etc..
      Im thinking more on the lines of brining in JV Partners now, so that the launch can be tremendous.
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      • Profile picture of the author nathanj
        Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

        Ummm.. True to a certain extent. But, not actually feasible in my scenario. I am planning for the JV's during the pre-launch and launch phases.
        An alternative would be to be involved in a lot of pre-launch promotion NOW. then, wait for a week after launch to see the conversions, and then judge on whether to look for more JV's/Gurus etc..
        Im thinking more on the lines of brining in JV Partners now, so that the launch can be tremendous.
        Sure you'll get some names to promote without conversion rates... But you have to remember they are running a business... so they will go for the product that will potentially make them to most in commissions.

        Having a conversion rate will definately boost your credentials.

        And it is COMPLETELY feasible... You can launch the product with 4 or 5 JV partners... a 'soft launch' to test the waters. Not everyone will know your product has been launched, matter of fact a small percentage of potential buyers out there will know your product has been launched even if 50 JVs are promoting it.

        Bottom line is being able to tell potential JVs what amount others have and they'll make per lead, rather than an estimation which has no back up, will give you a better chance of securing bigger players.

        Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

        Challenge, eh?
        I stated : 'This product can sell like crazy if marketed with the right people'
        Im talking about a future tense here. It can sell if marketed with the right people.
        Anyways, I do have a small track record. My other product, generated over 150 sales ($48 product ) in the first 2 weeks with ZERO publicity from my side. I was new to IM when I had released that product, so I didn't know anything about JV's or WF.
        I had read on Clickbank that : 'I needed to put my product with them and their massive army of affiliates will promote it. I won't need to do anything'.
        So, I just put my product on CB, and did nothing..
        The product still generates sales.. Today it sold 3 copies.. again.. ZERO publicity
        Proof Enough?
        I would be taking a step back and really taking a look at 'how' you're saying things... You are asking for help and many members have replied with useful info. But your replies come across as you don't like the responses and you're trying to 'hit back'.

        You need to be realistic... take a look at the JV pages marketers put up for Mike Merz's JV forum, JV notify Pro... They try to sell the product not only to buyers but to potential JVs. Saying a previous product made sales without any effort says NOTHING for your latest as it doesn't seem to be the same area.

        But selling it to JVs could mean 'my latest product sold 'blahblah' and we are taking a similar approach in the selling aspect with the salesletter and sales funnel so it will be a ripper!

        But again I can't stress enough selling JVs on PROOF for the product they will hopefully be promoting... not selling them on the 'total awesomeness' of a product they aren't promoting and don't know about.
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  • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
    Always remember the rule about "what's in it for them". So many people just contact JVs and ask them to promote their stuff. I always apprroach by asking if I can promote their stuff, and don't even mention my product AT ALL. If you can build up a relationship then at some point you could bring it up, maybe just "could you do a short post on your blog" (rather than to their list) or sometimes, they will ask you. I used this method and had some success with my ebook. At the end of the day, it does come down to the product. If the product is amazing and the JV can see why people would want to buy it, then they will be intested.

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  • Profile picture of the author graphicsgenie
    Don't want to burst any bubbles, but its extremely difficult to get the big guns to take you seriously, especially with no track record, no idea on whether the product will convert and basically wanting to use the gurus list.

    I'm afraid you will be in for some disapointment down the line.

    But certainly aim for the stars, just dont expect them to help, they get JV requests from people who know the conversion rate, have a track record every day.

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  • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
    Always remember the rule about "what's in it for them". If the product is amazing and the JV can see why people would want to buy it, then they will be intested.
    That's some amazing advice.
    Your rule is perfectly valid for someone, who already has some contacts in the IM World and has a blog that is read by those people who matter (JV Prospects) .
    Consider my case:
    Nobody knows I exist.
    I have a product that can sell like crazy if marketed with the right people.
    Your point was that : 'JV can see why people would want to buy it, then they will be interested'.
    In my case, Im LOOKING for those JV people to actually see my product and let them know that this will ACTUALLY work.
    I don't know why I am so confident (Mostly because its my product and there is a basic instinct)

    .. Ufff! This pre-launch phase is such a 'brainer'!
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    • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
      Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

      I have a product that can sell like crazy if marketed with the right people.
      .. Ufff! This pre-launch phase is such a 'brainer'!
      Where is your Proof?
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      • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
        Originally Posted by The IM Reporter View Post

        Where is your Proof?
        Challenge, eh?
        I stated : 'This product can sell like crazy if marketed with the right people'
        Im talking about a future tense here. It can sell if marketed with the right people.
        Anyways, I do have a small track record. My other product, generated over 150 sales ($48 product ) in the first 2 weeks with ZERO publicity from my side. I was new to IM when I had released that product, so I didn't know anything about JV's or WF.
        I had read on Clickbank that : 'I needed to put my product with them and their massive army of affiliates will promote it. I won't need to do anything'.
        So, I just put my product on CB, and did nothing..
        The product still generates sales.. Today it sold 3 copies.. again.. ZERO publicity
        Proof Enough?
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        • Profile picture of the author msafi
          Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

          Challenge, eh?
          I stated : 'This product can sell like crazy if marketed with the right people'
          Im talking about a future tense here. It can sell if marketed with the right people.
          Anyways, I do have a small track record. My other product, generated over 150 sales ($48 product ) in the first 2 weeks with ZERO publicity from my side. I was new to IM when I had released that product, so I didn't know anything about JV's or WF.
          I had read on Clickbank that : 'I needed to put my product with them and their massive army of affiliates will promote it. I won't need to do anything'.
          So, I just put my product on CB, and did nothing..
          The product still generates sales.. Today it sold 3 copies.. again.. ZERO publicity
          Proof Enough?
          With that kind of luxury (3 sales, no promotion), I'd retire.

          Can you share with us this great product? A noob like me would find a lot to learn from it.
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        • Profile picture of the author milan
          Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

          Im talking about a future tense here. It can sell if marketed with the right people.
          The point the people are trying to tell you is (this is stripped down version, sorry): in order to have any idea if it's going to sell you need to - try to sell it to a certain number of people. Everything else is a bed-time story.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
    I am running into a meeting...and this is the last that I have to contribute in this thread

    Here is the deal. I am not challenging you...and this type of debate will lead you no where fast when seeking a JV>

    You are explaining proof to me about a product that has nothing to do with the marketability or conversion of the product that you want someone to promote to their list.

    Furthermore, to establish credibility, it would advantageous that when you do present claims that you back them up with some sort of evidence...ie your clickbank product.

    People throw JV's at each other everyday. Some good some bad. You will learn very quickly what it takes to secure Relationships with people.

    It seem as if you may already have answered your own question as you are pushing back to people who are trying to help.

    I saw your product, and can say that you have put time into it....that does not mean it will be successful. Looks don't mean anything if they do not produce results. And those people who have taken years to build their lists and relationships are selective with what they choose to get on board with.
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  • Profile picture of the author MeTellYou
    You know what I've heard Jeff Walker say in his PLF 2 course?

    He said something like: if you ask me to help you with your launch I need to be able to make $50,000 without much effort.

    I think a good thing to remember is that those people have cash and they don't care all that much about it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Sure it doesn't hurt to ask, but unless you can provide conversion rates and a nice sum of $$ for them, in 99% cases they will turn you down.

    The good news is, there are plenty of mid level and even highly respected "gurus" that will say YES, if you pitch them the right offer, but just don't go expecting guys like Frank Kern, Reese, Mike F to say yes...these guys get probably hundreds of JV offers each week.

    Just try and get as many JV's as you can...and take all the NO's in your stride, because you WILL get many YES's, if you keep at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    Originally Posted by freelikehell View Post

    ...
    BTW, Ive already sent a mail to Filsaime, and am expecting a reply soon..
    Good news here, you got the answer from Mike Filsaime. He answered the question even before you asked. Here is his answer:
    The Warrior Forum - In Response to Willie Crawford - The Guru Question
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  • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
    Here's another way of looking at it. When I was looking for JVs, I got a lot of other people who weren't big, or even had lists of any size, but it's just as important to get invloved with those people because in the game of IM, people know other people who know other people. In other words, when one of your contacts strikes it lucky with another big JVm then that person's own list can suddenly expand. And then...because you are already frineds with the person who has run into luck, you can then benefit from it.

    The way I have had some success is through networking and just getting involved with lots of people. With the big JVs, you have to approach them very indirectly, well, I do anyway, you see, they get bombarded with offers. I got to speak to John Reese the other day on a private forum, did I ask him to promote my stuff? Nah, we talked about old Porsche 911s instead ;-) Some might think, I blew a big chance, well, if anything, it would have turned him off completely if I said "check out my site / product", it's better to try and just build some sort of rapor.
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  • Profile picture of the author tomw
    You could also try here:

    JV Request

    They can hook you up with many JV partners, including big names like Joel Comm, see;

    JV Request for Joel Comm

    On the homepage they have a free downloadable PDF detailing their requirements and general advice on how to attract JV partners.

    Be aware that this is not a free service.

    I would also read Ken's thread..."how to lose your JV virginity."

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    • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
      Originally Posted by tomw View Post

      They can hook you up with many JV partners, including big names like Joel Comm, see;

      JV Request for Joel Comm
      Wow! These guys are charging almost $500 so that I can get their attention. Ill pass on that and move to reality..
      A few Warriors have lend a helping hand towards my launch and Im really thankful.. Esp to Mike, for the nice video...
      A quick question: Are JV Partners the same as 'Affiliates' promoting your product? If no, then is there a commission difference for both parties?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich_Newell
    Just skimming over the post suggested by Steven Wagenheim, I remember that with success people can get busy. If you want their help you need to give them time to first process the offer. They are not on your time table. Always be nice to whoever you want to partner with. Don't think that is about you.

    I have a very good friend that lives near me. I email him, I call him, he tells me that he wants to get together with me. He says he has time on Tuesdays. I have been going back and forth with him and have not seen him in over a year. Does that mean he is not my friend. NO! I will still contact him. I will make arrangements to meet him. Things come up in his life. He needs to learn more of what we are doing so he can slow down and enjoy his family and friends.

    So, if you want to JV make sure that you learn the rules. You need a give and take situation. Joint Venturing is not just about the money. There is also integrity and timing. Contact those you want to JV with early before your launch and be willing to take a no if they cant fit it in.
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  • Profile picture of the author net-biz
    The more JV's the better... and don't let those BIG names intimidate you. If you are sincere in your desires to help others and your JV partners (you know a WIN/WIN situation) then you should have no problem getting JV's, but if they say no... don't sweat it! Just move on to the next!
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  • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
    Wow Ken,
    Your story is amazing. I wonder how a 17% conversion rate feels like (that too on a $500 product)
    Ive noticed you're running another JV now for a $1000 product. I wish you all the best for that venture.
    Im thinking now of the following:
    1) Asking fellow warriors with small-medium lists (1k to 20k) if they would like to promote the product.
    2) Keep trying with gurus and hope that someday someone will respond.

    I apologize if im asking too many questions, but another quick question: Will no one repond to your JV Requests unless you have a previous proven track record. For newbies, this could mean slow beginnings. Unless someone is lucky...
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  • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
    Don't get so caught up in list size. 10 Lists with 1000 members each is better than one list with 10,000.

    Here is why...

    The list with 10,000 members is probably older and a number of the members on the list may have grown tired of the list owners marketing tactics or email rhetoric.

    The list with 1000 members will likely be more targeted and more responsive. The reason being... it is likely newer and has fresher leads.

    Another reason is the fact that it is going to be a lot easier to find 10 list owners with 1000 member lists to promote your product than it will be to find 1 list owner with a list of 10,000 members to promote your product.

    And more times than not, they are going to want to do a 1 for 1 JV. If you want a 10,000 member list promo, then you also will need a list of 10,000 members to promote their product.

    As for the Joel Comm rate. That is very reasonable and I am positive you will get your moneys worth out of that deal.

    Another option for you, is to get on Matthew Glanfield's email list. Occasionally he will run an ebay listing for a promo to his list of 25,000. He guarantees a certain number of views of your sales page. I think somewhere around 1k to 2k. Not sure which. All you have to do is have the winning bid.

    Lastly, Mike Filsaime's post was phenomenal. I don't normally get impressed by posts... but that was by far the best post I have read on this forum.

    But the key thing to remember is this:

    It isn't the size of the list that matters. It is the quality of the list. By quality, I mean how well targeted the list is for your product.
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  • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
    Hmmm.. Nice thought in the last post.
    So, I guess, currently I should focus on small list owners and get some of them to JV with me.

    If you're a small list owner (with Affiliates/IM niche subscribers), then PM me Now! Ill give you the site details and work with you.

    Ill launch the product in a few days and ill hopefully create a WSO for it as well. Lets see how it goes..
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  • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
    Hi Nathan,
    After reading your post, I went back and read all my replies and I did find myself a bit too harsh.. Oops!
    I guess it was more due to the fact that Im tensed about the product launch and still nothing has happened. I am getting a few PMs and I shall be posting some more JV requests (this time with real PROOF) and then see what happens..
    Ill surely keep your thoughts in mind .Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author frankm
    If you want to go from the bottom up...

    Create a WSO.

    Collect feedback from purchasers, about both the product and which of their needs should be reflected in the sales copy.

    Invest the profits from the WSO in Google Adwords campaigns. Further test the conversion of your site.

    Collect success stories from people using the software, and collect conversion data from the testing.

    Approach smaller 'gurus' and offer a high commission rate for doing a promotion. Some of these may have been purchasers in the WSO. Collect results from this.

    Improve your sales process through analysing the results of these campaigns.

    That can be the pre-launch phase... now you've got plenty of data to approach the bigger guys with and can do a bigger launch.

    Good luck!

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      What about your Gurus? Any of them agreed?
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  • Profile picture of the author freelikehell
    Hey Frank,
    That's a great plan. My plans are slowly getting into focus now.
    Im getting some response from fellow Warriors and I may be doing a quick launch with them. Any people with small to medium lists can PM me and ill tell them about the JV Plan.
    After the initial launch, Ill test the conversions and gather some data from members. WSO seems a feasible option.
    Then, ill be giving a shot with the big guns. Im still optimistic though.
    As the product will be on Clickbank as well, Im hoping to get a good response from the CB affiliates also.

    Tough times.. Lots of thinking going on in the back of my mind
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