Just Can't Make It Work!

by gdrg
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Hey guys,

I've been running a site in the cellulite niche for a while now and I just can NOT make it work. It is driving me absolutely NUTS!!!

I've tried about 5/6 different salespages that I have tested for a while each.

I am currently ranked 1st/2nd for keyword "cellulite solution" which has a lot of searches each month but it still gives me like 40 organic hits a month, how is that even possible?

I usually don't share my URL but I really would appreciate any feedback you guys have or are willing to share.

I've had like 3 sales in a year with this site, come on!!

Getting tired of it, but giving up is not an option.

#1 Cellulite Solution Online - Get Rid of Your Cellulite Today

Thanks in advance everyone
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    I don't think there's anything wrong with your sales page, but the problem is only getting 40 hits per month. I would expand this to try to drive more traffic to the site so you can get more data to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Hi PPC,

    Thanks for your comment - I currently get about 300/400 hits a month (0 sales) .. What I dont understand is I only get 40 organic hits a month while ranking #1/#2 for a pretty hot keyword... It is beyond me.. My website is exactly what people would be looking for when typing "cellulite solution"
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    • Profile picture of the author teatree
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      It is beyond me.. My website is exactly what people would be looking for when typing "cellulite solution"

      Umm... I'm a woman, and if I typed in "cellulite solution" into the search engine I would be expecting to find creams to massage in, with reviews of how well they worked, not an ebook!

      If you type in "cellulite" into Amazon, you get 2115 results

      Amazon.com: cellulite

      You could literally make your website an authority on cellulite with a page reviewing each product with nice big pictures of the creams or massagers and links to Amazon.

      You'd get a ton of long-tail traffic too after you'd put up all those cellulite product pages.

      Just my tuppence.
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelParsons
        Originally Posted by teatree View Post

        You could literally make your website an authority on cellulite with a page reviewing each product with nice big pictures of the creams or massagers and links to Amazon.
        Excellent point teatree.

        This site has HUGE potential! Here are my three cents

        1. Fix the Lorem Ipsum on ABOUT page. This alone removes a lot of credibility from the site, and may be a reason for the lack of sales. Add a picture of you or staff, and add a little sig line JPEG like a scribbled nickname, not your legal signature.
        2. Your site states "we have tested and reviewed tons of creams, massage tools and other programs, so you don't have to!" Where are these reviews?
        3. The Cellulite Information is broken into paragraphs which would almost completely fit above the fold, if each was its own page. Maybe break them out into child pages of the parent page "Cellulite Information"?
        Best of luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author TimD
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      Hi PPC,

      I currently get about 300/400 hits a month (0 sales) ..
      You might look at your conversion as well. If you were even getting a point and a half, that would be 4-6 sales a month. Not great but a start.

      I think you have too many offers on the page for it to convert well. You have six different categories of offers plus an offer of 4 free ebooks (which is going to compete with your offer of information products).

      Also, your offers are not clear. They are all discounted. But it's not clear what they are. You have one that looks like insoles with metal balls on it.

      In other words, you have too much "unstructured thinking" on the part of the visitor.

      I think you place too much onus on the visitor to figure out what they should buy, even what category they should research.

      I would figure out what your best offer is and channel them strongly in that direction. Give them a reason to try it and act now.
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  • Profile picture of the author hetalamish
    Have you checked your site rankings in differtnt country Search Engines? because it is possible that your site is on 1st page for "cellulite solution" in your country but may be not in other countries..
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  • Profile picture of the author GameVoid
    Some newbie thoughts....

    If I look at the Google adwords tool it only shows 8100 local searches for that phrase.

    When you start typing your key phrase into Google, Google suggests the phrase "cellulite solutions" rather than the singular. So Google is actively suggesting a key phrase on which you rank 7/8 instead of 1/2.

    Not to mention that while you are 1/2 in the search listing, there are still 2 big featured ads above your listing from well known skin care companies.
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    Corporate companies can kill you with their big dollar advertising budget. Try running a PPC campaign and maybe you can over take them that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Thanks guys, some good thoughts there!

    I always check my ranking for the U.S. - so I think I rank fine there.. but the other comments about ads above me, I hadn't considered that.

    I think it might be a good time to start another PPC campaign.

    I have a lot of faith in this site and think it has good potential.. All I need is traffic!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    whoa whoa whoa... before you go running off to spend your money in that PPC abyss... how many related keywords are you targeting?

    55% of Facebook users are female with half of them in the 34yo range; your target audience, no? Do you have a FB fan page?

    How intensely have you studied your target demographic to find out where they congregate on the Net? Are you there in their faces?

    And I know you said you've tried 6 different layouts for your landing page; but (IMHO) the current one is NOT targeting your demographic.

    HTH
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    There is nothing wrong with you sales page although I would do this:

    I would take the opt in form that you have on your sales page and instead of sending all your visitors to your sales page, why not create a landing page where you can catch people's names and emails.

    This is by far much better because the fortune is in the follow up and getting as many subscribers as possible will probably increase your chances of more and more people buying your product.

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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    tecHead,

    I see your points.

    In all fairness, I began a FB Fan Page a week ago and spend hours and hours on adding friends and what not to it only to find out the fan page got banned for some reason.

    I didn't spam, didn't do anything out of the ordinary.. really pissed me off.

    Anyway, there's still a lot to learn. I don't use social networking to promote my sites simply because I don't know how or, even worse, I don't have the time to do it as it takes up a whole lot of time.

    Could you elaborate on why my current site does not target my demographic?

    Thanks a lot so far,
    Guy
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    • Profile picture of the author tecHead
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      tecHead,

      I see your points.

      In all fairness, I began a FB Fan Page a week ago and spend hours and hours on adding friends and what not to it only to find out the fan page got banned for some reason.

      I didn't spam, didn't do anything out of the ordinary.. really pissed me off.
      Don't get too frustrated; its a learning process. I would try putting up a 'test' page, (or keep putting up test pages), and try things out after proper research. Once you see a formula that is working, implement that on your "real" fan page (after you either get the one you have unbanned or create a new one, that is).

      Stephen Pierce, (one of my favorite IMers), says something profound in his pitch. "We have to stoop our lowest to jump our highest."

      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      Anyway, there's still a lot to learn. I don't use social networking to promote my sites simply because I don't know how or, even worse, I don't have the time to do it as it takes up a whole lot of time.
      Outsource it?

      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      Could you elaborate on why my current site does not target my demographic?

      Thanks a lot so far,
      Guy
      Well, I could just tell you straight out but who am I? So, instead look at the site(s) that are above you in the SERPs. One in particular is bodybuilding.com; granted, their demographic is a lot wider than yours... their cellulite offering is a sub-niche of their main niche. But, their delivery format is more geared towards the information seeker and they subtly (kinda) offer paid product/service along side that information.

      Your landing page projects the image that this is it! buy here!; why?

      Getting deeper into this explanation, (unfortunately for the progression of this conversation), gets a little too close to paid consulting; but, the first thing I would do is move that graphic you have at the bottom of the page back to the top.

      As well as get the thumbnail being used to represent your site in the SERPs to match your current design/layout. Off the top of my head, I think its thumbnails.org (or something like that) that supplies these images. The plug-in I'm referring to is getting pretty darned popular, actually.

      HTH
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremiah Walsh
      You can always install quantcast (its free) and let it gather data for a week. Then go back and review what market is most actively viewing your website. It is not exact... but it does give an idea.




      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      tecHead,

      I see your points.

      In all fairness, I began a FB Fan Page a week ago and spend hours and hours on adding friends and what not to it only to find out the fan page got banned for some reason.

      I didn't spam, didn't do anything out of the ordinary.. really pissed me off.

      Anyway, there's still a lot to learn. I don't use social networking to promote my sites simply because I don't know how or, even worse, I don't have the time to do it as it takes up a whole lot of time.

      Could you elaborate on why my current site does not target my demographic?

      Thanks a lot so far,
      Guy
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Ok, I didn't read anyone elses comments here. These are my first thoughts.

        I nearly went blind going to your site. Change the background from white.

        Font is too small on the sales letter - and the letter is too long. Go for a shorter quicker page to get the optin.

        Here's a question - do those optins go to your list or someone elses?

        You only have 304 backlinks - which in a competitive niche like this is not nearly enough to have me convinced you are driving traffic from enough sources.

        If you are ranking well for "cellulite solution" try some different keywords or anchor text to rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
      Did you actually create a "fan page" or "business page" or did you create a profile page that you tried to use to promote your business.

      It's my understanding that you can't "add friends" to the first two - in which case (if you were using the latter) you actually *were* spamming people who did not know who you or your product were. With a fan or business page you can only "suggest" the page to the friends on your personal list. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only way to get fans on a true fan or business page on Facebook is by word of mouth referrals or by paying for an advertisement
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Tal,

    Do you mean remove EVERYTHING that has to do with direct selling and just use an optin page? I've tried that, but, building a list that has to do with cellulite reduction only is ridiculously hard I find..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    Sales Page - Personally I think it looks great ... although my buns are in great shape LOL

    THE MATH
    40 hits a month - 3 sales in 12 months
    Done the maths you get 3 sales for every 480 hits - or to put it another way $42

    YOU NEED MORE TRAFFIC & MORE PROFIT - Here is my RAPID SUGGESTION

    I think you should put the price up to $37 give affiliates 60 - 70% commission. This way you will attract affiliates. Cannot think who will promote something for $14

    Buy articles about fat bums, cellulite, get rid of my saggy ass ... whatever just outsource like mad. You can buy 50 good articles for $100 ... I have just done this.

    Scour the web and look for webmasters who have blogs and sites that address your audience ... check their site stats on Alexa.com. Get the good ones to become affiliates/JV's

    Look for other JV opportunities on our favourite Forum.

    I REALLY HOPE YOU GET THIS SITE WORKING FOR YOU - can see you have put a lot of effort into it and you deserve to make some cash from it.

    All the best

    JOHN
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  • Profile picture of the author Mangozoom
    Just updating my comment seeing as i read further down in the thread that you are getting 300 - 400 hits a month.

    It would seem that your sales page is not converting either because there is no deman or because of the format of your sales page.

    I still think $14 is too cheap ... you need affiliates

    Did you get the page professionally written?

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the obvious
    truth is that you're not offering a product people want
    to buy.

    You need to do more market research.

    What makes you think they want an eBook over an
    actual cellulite solution (aka - creams etc)????

    If you're not making sales, there's only so much you
    can play around with the sales copy, before realizing
    that it's not the copy which is the problem.

    It's the product my friend.

    But if you're insistant on trying to sell an eBook, then
    here's a few tips for the sales copy itself:

    1. Kim sounds like a sales person, not a proclaimed
    "sufferer"

    2. All the women in the videos look like hired actors

    3. Are you reducing or "beating" the cellulite? Confusing
    mixture of words bring different meanings/promises

    4. Sea of text syndrome

    5. If Kim is on video, why is there no profile pic? Why
    is she hiding behind text, when she's beaten cellulite?
    Surely there would be before/after pics?

    6. What's inside your book? What makes it work? What
    makes it different?

    7. Why have you reduced the price from $67 to $14? Surely
    if the product did what "Kim" claimed, then you could charge
    ten times that amount, right?

    ...

    These are just SOME of the objections/though processes
    going on in your reader's minds.

    People are smart, women consumers especially. They're
    darn good at this stuff. They don't fall for impulse buys
    that easily

    Good luck,

    Nick
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Hey everyone,

    Thank you all so much for taking the time to look at my site and leave your feedback - your help is appreciated very very much!

    OK I certainly need to rethink my strategy, that's for sure. I really like the idea of turning the site into an expert on the subject kind of site, reviewing products from Amazon.

    The reason I went for an Ebook is because most people in this niche seem to sell an ebook that contains a workout program. At least the people on Clickbank do! The reason I also went for an Ebook/Workout program is because it IS the only thing that works. Ofcourse I can recommend creams, but they are complete BS. However, I need to set moral issues aside and start earning some money, my time has come

    I am a little confused with the comments though. 50% seems to like the Sales Page and don't think it's the problem, the other half think it's the Sales Page/Product that is causing the empty bank account.

    Now the question that I need to answer is who's probably right and who's wrong

    I can understand why creams and other products would work better.. it's more of a magic pill than a workout program that takes weeks.. but to remove all videos and text and audio breaks my heart..lol
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    • Profile picture of the author teatree
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post


      I can understand why creams and other products would work better.. it's more of a magic pill than a workout program that takes weeks.. but to remove all videos and text and audio breaks my heart..lol
      DON'T remove all your videos text and audio!

      Websites are allowed to have more than one page you know, and they are allowed to promote more than one product too.

      Simply create additional pages for each cream/massager product; in each product post, have a lovely hyperlinked picture of the product to Amazon and lots of text links to Amazon anchored on the product name in your product description/review.

      Then at the bottom of the post mention that some people find that some people find that exercize gets rid of cellulite too, and say something like click here to read more about how this works, and then link to your ebook sales page.

      You should start to get traffic for the cellulite product cream names, and most people will click through to Amazon, but you will find that some of your visitors get funnelled to the ebook page - and your ethics are intact, as you mentioned on the cream product pages that there is an alternative exercize method to deal with the problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author tecHead
      Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

      Hey everyone,

      Thank you all so much for taking the time to look at my site and leave your feedback - your help is appreciated very very much!

      OK I certainly need to rethink my strategy, that's for sure. I really like the idea of turning the site into an expert on the subject kind of site, reviewing products from Amazon.

      The reason I went for an Ebook is because most people in this niche seem to sell an ebook that contains a workout program. At least the people on Clickbank do! The reason I also went for an Ebook/Workout program is because it IS the only thing that works. Ofcourse I can recommend creams, but they are complete BS. However, I need to set moral issues aside and start earning some money, my time has come

      I am a little confused with the comments though. 50% seems to like the Sales Page and don't think it's the problem, the other half think it's the Sales Page/Product that is causing the empty bank account.

      Now the question that I need to answer is who's probably right and who's wrong

      I can understand why creams and other products would work better.. it's more of a magic pill than a workout program that takes weeks.. but to remove all videos and text and audio breaks my heart..lol
      The part of your quote that I bolded is a perfect example of where I was going with my suggestions. The women "I" know would be looking for "information"; #1.

      IDEA (and I'm throwing this in as a freebie )
      Do the research and gather the names of these creams you say are total BS and do some KW research on them and/or the sites that push them.

      Take the mid-range KWs from that list and target them with some 300~400 word articles telling people HOW and WHY those creams are BS, (with links at the bottom of each article pointing back to your main site). Post those articles to a blog you attach to your site. Then post them to EZine Articles.

      You can then from there decide to go straight to the sales pitch OR (what I would do) continue the pre-sell removing all of the objections and misinformation (back with verifiable facts, of course) and gently guide them to your solution.

      Women do NOT respond (in the majority) to the hard sale; you should pay attention to that. The majority of women will consult with their inner circle of friends before making a buying decision that affects their appearance. You don't have to trust ME on this; just ask all the women around you.

      HTH
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    The other problem is, your sales letter does not make it clear that this is an exercise program. It makes out like it's some kind of "secret miracle" to curing cellulite.

    If you angled it more clearly upfront, for what it is, then I think you'd have more integrity. But as people aren't clearly informed, they may wrongly assume it is something that it's not.

    If you're confident in the product, don't hide behind what it is. Clearly tell them.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Alright guys, so I started working on some new things for this site and I have the main concept online, still need to expand it though ofcourse.. but the beginning is here.. More variety of products, etc.

    What do you think?

    CelluliteSolutionOnline.com - Cellulite Treatments | Get Rid of Cellulite
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    • Profile picture of the author Tommy Perez
      I think your site has too many points of distraction and ZERO call to action.

      As in, there isn't SINGULAR call to action.

      On top of that..."cellulite solution"...maybe folks could be looking for more information as to background of cellulite etc...and your site just looks like a blatant ad (with the scrolling thing along the top kinda intensifying it).

      I would keep it more simple.

      Structure the page by giving away some background info...then include ONE link at the bottom that leads to a pre-sell for one or two products.

      That way, when folks comes to your site...it looks like some valuable content versus like an advertisement.

      Also, maybe the search volume of your keyword isn't there...given that you're only getting ~40 visits/month at #1/2???

      Hope this helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
    Hey man you actually have a awesome niche related page. I'll tell you what the problem is. YOU NEED TRAFFIC and LOTS OF IT. 300-400 hits a month will not cut it. You need to be getting 300-400 visitors or more per day.

    Articles
    Forums - niche related forums for Cellulite
    Videos

    Sorry to be so cutthroat but you need a wake up call that 300 hits a month won't really make you any money. Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author mookinman
    I think the keyword is wrong. Who searches for "cellulite solution"?

    "How to get rid of cellulite" or "reduce cellulite" are probably the ones to go for.
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  • Profile picture of the author AnneE
    So did you change your website from when you started this thread until now? Early posts were talking about you selling an ebook, but now the website does highlight creams and other cellulite solutions.

    If you changed it recently, then I would give it time to see how the new layout and content works. Meanwhile you can target additional cellulite phrases.

    I do see room for improvement in the product descriptions you have. For instance, your "top rated" massage solution talks in terms of features, rather than benefits. It says:
    Heat function that penetrates deeply to sooth aching muscles

    That's a feature... rephrase it into the benefit

    -Soothe your aching muscles with gentle-heat while you melt your cellulite away

    or something along those lines

    If all else fails, I would think you would be able to sell the website if it's getting decent traffic and given how high it is ranked. Pat yourself on the back for having done that well with SEO.

    P.S. I think TeaTree's comments above are valid. If there was content there before, I think I would include all of it on the website.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I think you are trying to sell to searchers looking for information.

      "Cellulite cream", "cellulite massager", etc. are buying words, especially if they add things like reviews, best price, buy, and so on.

      You can still lead them to the buying stage by providing the information they're looking for. Go to the home site for the product - not the vendor, the manufacturer. Dig around for information you can provide that will motivate a purchase. For the assorted goops, research the ingredients.

      The whole 'Oprah endorses **** berry' thing got started when one of her guests mentioned a chemical that promised to promote weight loss, and that the chemical was present in **** berries. That quickly got twisted into 'Oprah recommends [crap product]'.

      If you can find any kind of legitimate clinical study that shows one ingredient in those creams might reduce cellulite, you have a solution to offer your searchers - and a product that will deliver that solution...
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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    Where's your optin?

    You need to bug the hell outta those people.

    Email Subject Lines:

    How would it feel to be cellulite free?

    Why aren't you cellulite free?

    If this woman is cellulite free why aren't you?

    They've got to believe in you fist. Give them that connection.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Wow guys thanks a lot for the input, way more than I expected so soon.

    Will go over it and implement it on the site. Still have to add an optin ofcourse, that was my next move!

    Thanks again!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author mygrants
    Your page doesn't have any specific calls to action, thought it is beautifully designed but sometimes the UGLY thing works - put some direct call to actions to get it converting more
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Thanks mygrants, however, I've had 2/3 websites before this one with just 1 product, lots of call to actions, well written salescopy, etc. but it didn't work.

    I have a good feeling about this one but first and foremost, I need more traffic. Which is the part I suck at most
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  • Profile picture of the author ivanadee
    Hi....
    What if the reason is people type that keyword for information?
    So, it will be great if you give some short solution ebook for free to collect their data and then you can start selling at the third message?
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Working on an optin as we speak! Will replace the Truth About Abs banner for a banner to my optin/free ebook package page..

    I used to sell this package on one of my previous sites, can I give it away as a free package now? Is that even legal? lol..
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    • Profile picture of the author Nikhil V Nair
      Let me share my thoughts

      When a visitor comes to your site, they are asking these questions

      1) what's in it for me ?
      2) who are you?
      3) why should I trust you?
      4) why should I buy the product you recommend ?

      Your design looks nice. It is filled with many ads. Many ads lead to distraction, confusion and analysis paralysis.

      The main problem is that we always think of ourselves

      Put yourself in your visitor's shoes ,then redesign your site.

      If your main objective is to sell that e-book , then you need to review it thoroughly.

      Trust is the most important point that decides your success. You have to give something valuable first in order to get something back.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheOcarlsen
    I think you are missing the market here. Or underestimating it at the very least.

    People that have a cellulite problem have a issue, both psychical AND emotional. Sure, they want to take the necessary steps to get rid of there problem. Which again can be translated into that they can be sold to. But they also want to find help in a market that offers a lot of solutions, but little results. Your visitors have probably tried a thing or two in there life, you know?

    So when you say..

    "Would you purchase a product that promises you a smooth and toned lower body, and actually pulls through?

    If you answered YES to any of the above, this site is for you!"

    You are not standing out. And you are actually emphasizing the concern a lot of women have when they are looking for solutions to there problem. Secondly, it kind of destroys your initial "I understand you" intro.

    I did a quick intro copy for you. You would of course not want to use this as it is written as a woman. But hopefully it gives you some ideas

    "Sick and tired of hiding it?

    Just want to throw it off and pretend like it´s not there, like it never was? You know, you probably should. We should all be proud of who we are. But, I do understand you. I have been exactly where you are at. And it just isn´t that easy!

    However, there is a solution. That´s correct, in the long line of sleazy companies that wants to sell you water (just replace with whatever fancy name they have for it, but same effect!), there are a FEW that actually works.

    Did you notice that I wrote that I WAS there?

    That´s right, I am throwing it off guys. And it feels amazing!

    READ MY RECOMMENDATIONS & MY STORY HERE"

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  • Profile picture of the author DrewG
    Just noticed a Truth About Abs ad that is essentially completely unrelated to getting rid of cellulite. I'd get rid of that and put something on there that relates to cellulite.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Im putting an ad there for a free ebook package/optin.. This is just a filler ad
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Thank you EVERYONE!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaarrrggghhh
    I immediately hit the close button.

    I don't want to READ your site.

    I want ONE SOLUTION to my CELLULITE problem.

    It may be too difficult for you to write and emotionally connect with this audience since (1) you are male and (2) you do not suffer from this problem.

    However, that doesn't mean you can't sell to them...but you need to educate yourself more...just look at other health sites who offer 1 Solution for 1 Problem for women.

    There are reasons they use the colors they do, the photos, the focus, etc.

    Hold onto your PPC money for now until you get a page that CONVERTS. Then SLAM it!

    Best of luck....Leah
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    • Profile picture of the author thecableguy
      Google's Adwords tool (includes PPC results) shows several thousand searches a month, but Wordtracker's tool which is for organic searches shows only 4 searches a day, the number of searches are probably somewhere in between. I always cross check them before going after a keyword. JMO but Wordtracker seems to be closer MOST of the time.

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Possible headline...

        "Tired of wearing bloomers when 'Daisy Dukes' are more your style?"

        Tag line:

        "Get a cellulite solution that will get the fringe tickling your tush again - click here now"

        EDIT: 1 page, 1 solution doesn't have to mean you can only offer 1 product. Right now, your home page looks like thousands of other catalog pages. The J Peterman catalog sold dozens of different items worth millions of dollars, but each item had a story, a hook, some romance to it. When they tried opening retail stores, with all the like items in a single display, they bombed.

        Maybe you might try a combination of one cream and one massager, bill it as a solution to cellulite while hinting it might also offer other kinds of physical relief ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
    Someone searching for cellulite solutions has not decided what they want to buy, so it won't convert brilliantly - they want to be told what to buy, they want information (solutions) and you are not telling them what is the solution.

    I'd say there is too much choice on the page - I would focus on either learning more about the user (putting them through a series of questions to point them to their perfect product), or selling one product, or encouraging them to sign up to a list to sell them recommended products through an affiliate program through a series of follow-up emails which gives them a lot of great information and recommends solutions.

    I'd go with the email list.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Everybody, I appreciate your input, but you all are saying to get a standard sales page up again, which I've had for a year. With good salecopy, video testimonials, text testimonials, 1 product, 1 solution and it got me like 4 sales in a year

    Thats when I started this topic and a few people pointed out it might be good to offer more products like creams and stuff as women tend to buy those quicker because they are easier than exercise. But now everyone's shouting 1-page, 1-solution again

    Dont get me wrong, I REALLY appreciate everyone's help!! But I have to try this method for a while now, at least gather some data first

    And I also had a female pen name, wrote everything from that perspective, had a sales video with female voice, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author DustonMcGroarty
      Hey man -

      You're head is probably about ready to explode from all the previous suggestions...

      ...but I'm gonna give you one more...

      Create a squeeze page with ONE OPTION...to optin to learn how
      they can reduce/remove their cellulite.

      Setup a split-test with Google Optimizer between your current site
      and the squeeze page just for kicks. I bet you'll get opt-ins.

      You can get a complete flood of traffic to your site but if they get
      overloaded by the amount of "options" on your page, you'll never
      make any sales...

      ...At least with the squeeze page you can follow up with them
      when they leave.

      Pay close attention to the recommendations of the women in this thread...

      ...after all, they're your target audience!

      Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Brock
      If you want to rely on getting traffic from search engines (especially Google) I would suggest the following:

      Create a neutral industry watchdog type site. Find out what really works and what doesn't; emphasize on crappy products too. Make it possible for users to submit reviews (they won't be flocking to submit reviews right away, but in time that approach can be very powerful). The more real content you get, the more ready to buy traffic you can attract from search engines. Yes, that will involve some leg work. In time people might even start linking to you naturally (I see that happening with one of my sites) and you set yourself up for organic growth.

      And with this approach you could not only "tell them" what they should choose, but you could do so with some real weight behind your words.

      Right now your site really just looks like a billboard, and a salespage style site won't improve that in terms of attracting visitors from SEO/PPC.

      Sure a persuasive statement to get people on your list is fine, but you will have so much more clout in search engines if your site looks like and IS a real source of unbiased information.

      And it has been suggested, do thorough keyword research, and expand your site with more relevant pages based on keywords. Both articles and reviews.

      If you want I can send you some material on how I build a review site. It's still mostly in note form as I spend more time doing than writing, at least at this stage.

      I'm not saying that a sales copy style site won't work under any circumstances. I'm just saying that if you do choose to go down that route, don't bother with PPC (Adwords), and SEO won't be your best bet either - in that case it's an entirely different game, and you'll need an alternative plan in terms of getting traffic to the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author generaleet
    I think most of you, especially the OP, is overlooking the most important reason why his blog page is a failure.

    Cellulite Solution is a book. People searching for cellulite solution are only looking for the book, not for "a solution for cellulite".

    Hence, this keyword has very little value besides maybe promoting the actual book which you'll see on the 3rd and 4th results.

    I am really sorry to break it to the OP, but it looks like you just need to maybe make a review of the book and link it to your amazon affiliate link and call it a day. That's the best advice I can give you.
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    • Profile picture of the author lamberw
      Try ranking for BUYER keywords such as "cellulite cream" rather than a more informational keyword such as "cellulite solution". Someone searching for "cellulite solution" are more likely to be information seekers.

      If you can use keywords that include the brand name, then it is even more targeted as "BUYER" keywords.

      Your site also has some distractions like "lose belly fat". It seems complimentary but it doesn't force the prospect to make a yes/no decision which are conversion fundamentals.

      Hope this helps. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Rashell
        I first read through this post then went to check out your blog. From what I understand you were promoting an eBook but it seems you've changed that to include other products through Amazon. If that's working for you I'd keep doing that.

        For what it's worth (possibly nothing) here's what I would've done... if "cellulite solution" is an information keyword. Then give people information. I'd turn the post "cellulite information" into a category then break the article into 4 separate posts making each of the sub-sections an individual post.

        Post 1: Does Your Body Type Influence The Appearance Of Cellulite?
        Post 2: What Causes Cellulite?
        Post 3: Cellulite: Does It Matter To Men?
        Post 4: 5 Cellulite Facts You Should Know

        Then I'd use "Cellulite Programs" to list some info/exercise products.

        Perhaps I'd add a "Product Review" and/or "Program Review" section.

        At the end of each post I'd have a call to action or banner ad promoting my primary target product. Something like "get rid of cellulite for good. Grab the #1 Cellulite Solution..." (Of course you'd probably not want to use that CTA as it's not all that good).

        I'd continue to write honest and ethical posts with the CTA added to each. Basically directing people from the stage of research to "ready to buy".

        That's just my thought process on it.

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    • Profile picture of the author gdrg
      Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post

      Amazing what research does...

      Your running a Clickbank product and offering nothing more than review site?

      Cellulite Solution Exposed

      Dude your wasting our time..............................

      :rolleyes:
      That's from my old website, I don't sell that product anymore. I've also removed it from Clickbank but it seems to be there still.

      Have I earned back your time again?
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      • Profile picture of the author gdrg
        Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post

        No... and I feels as though I have just visited Digital Point...

        But that's the way this forum is heading if we are not careful...

        Allen what's happening here?
        Richard, what are you talking about? Not really sure what made you change your tone this way. I've done nothing but help and support the WF.

        Anyway, if this is turning into flame, please just refrain to any of the other billion topics on the forum, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    I'm not only targeting cellulite solution guys

    I also rank for CELLULITE TREATMENTS (10 or 11th) and GET RID OF CELLULITE is being worked on atm.

    Will dominate 5-7 good keywords in a few months

    Theres some really solid advice here, didnt expect that much freebies.. lol -- but I appreciate it a LOT!!

    Will try to implement it as much as possible, but, I do feel like the traffic remarks are spot on. It's hard for me to make decisions now without any traffic. The only reason I've decided to change it up until now is because I gave the other sites about a 5 months chance.

    I also had an affiliate page once but everyone who bought the product from those guys requested a refund, which sucked, cause every CB sale made me giggle like a little girl.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheyne.machine
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    • Profile picture of the author gdrg
      Originally Posted by cheyne.machine View Post

      Hey Man,

      I have been trying that niche as well, and it is a tough one to crack... You are going against some big time marketing crews.

      Hey dude,

      Yeah, I've noticed -- hehe.. Will give this a shot until I'm on the first page of Google for CELLULITE TREATMENTS and GET RID OF CELLULITE. This should give me a major traffic boost and won't take that much longer.

      I'll then have much more data to work with and tweak the site for. If that doesn't work, I'll sell the site
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  • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
    I am sorry if you are in the midst of editing the site but here's my tuppence worth...

    1.The About Us page has the lorem ipsum text on it.

    2.Would remove the word 'unsexy' from the opening paragraph on the home page - no woman wants to be told she's unsexy because of her cellulite, even if she thinks it herself and even if you are only implying she might feel 'unsexy' because of it.

    3.You need a picture of a happy smiling woman alongside your introductory text. Or a group of happy smiling women. There are no pictures of anyone looking euphorically happy with the results of your product, anywhere.


    Finally, I agree with an earlier post that 'cellulite solution' is very probably not a likely search.

    Anyway, hope you turn it around.
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  • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
    It is worth noting that the vast majority of web surfers have never heard of Clickbank and would not know what the phrase 'selling a clickbank product' means. It is just not on their radar whatsoever.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dylan K
    Why not try something like Popup Domination and a general cellulite solution guide, once opted in toss some more offers at them.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    Alright, got the opt-in set up, it kind of looks like **** but I'll implement it better tomorrow, I'm beat.

    Also took a lot of advice to heart, definitely need to "personalize" this thing more and will edit the homepage tomorrow.

    Thanks everyone!
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    • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
      Nice to see you taking the good advice in the spirit in which it was intended.

      This thought ran across my mind (which may indicate how my mind works): Perhaps more enticing headlines such as "How to Get Back that Bikini Body While Eliminating Cellulite."

      Or a testimonial, titled, "My Sex Life Improved When I Got Rid of Cellulite - Here's How I Did It" - of course, it would have to be a true testimonial, which should lend itself to some fun research.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill

    P.S. You are breaking the cardinal rule of having too many options on the page. There are 11 things to click on, not counting your nav bar. That's bad for making choices. Confused buyer says no. I would recommend keeping it to 3 max. Even 1. Split-testing is called for.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianeBrandt
    Really sounds like you've chosen the wrong niche... especially if you've you're ranked #1. But not so much the niche... maybe it's your "keyword".
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    My head did just explode a little It's hard to take all the advice and put it to use because everyone has different ideas and methods.

    There are a few things I really DO need to change though, and I will.

    This website was launched yesterday and is still just a beta version
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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    I think the main problem is the keyword and the type of product. Maybe cellulite cure ebook or guide would have brought more fruitful results. Also, make sure to test your offer and niche with some ppc traffic before going full into a project with seo. It can save you a lot of time and money. Like others, I think this is more of a physical product market, but who knows, maybe just find a better info type keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author gdrg
    One more time

    I am currently also being ranked for CELLULITE TREATMENTS and GET RID OF CELLULITE which are HUGE keywords and will definitely bring in more traffic -- traffic is all I need right now to test a few things. In case it flops I can sell it if it gets lots of traffic.

    And Mikko, I do have physical products, and guides, and ebooks?
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  • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
    In your original post you stated that you had been running the site for a while.......

    Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

    Hey guys,

    I've been running a site in the cellulite niche for a while now and I just can NOT make it work. It is driving me absolutely NUTS!!!

    I've tried about 5/6 different salespages that I have tested for a while each.

    I am currently ranked 1st/2nd for keyword "cellulite solution" which has a lot of searches each month but it still gives me like 40 organic hits a month, how is that even possible?

    I usually don't share my URL but I really would appreciate any feedback you guys have or are willing to share.

    I've had like 3 sales in a year with this site, come on!!

    Getting tired of it, but giving up is not an option.

    #1 Cellulite Solution Online - Get Rid of Your Cellulite Today

    Thanks in advance everyone


    ......and now you state that you only launched the site yesterday?
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    • Profile picture of the author j hogan
      Hi, thought I'd suggest a few things from a womans perspective.
      When I first look at the site I see the picture of a young womans boobs which doesn't have any connection to cellulite, so it's confusing. I'd expect to see a womans butt and thighs and an opt in box for a report on how to get rid of cellulite.

      There are no articles on cellulite that I could see, I think adding articles would really help to get some clicks. Women with cellulite want to find believe that there is a solution so some articles on what cellulite is and how to get rid of etc would be good.

      As it is now, I just see links to products and that doesn't encourage me to click at all, as honestly, none of those women has a speck of cellulite. So it just looks like a site with a few products on it, and I would click away.

      I didn't notice the free e-books at first. I think four is too many, it devalues them. I would choose one and use it for the freebie to get sign ups, and put it on the right side of the page.

      It's got potential, it's certainly a product women are interested in, but they want information as well as products. Good luck with reworking it.
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    • Profile picture of the author gdrg
      Originally Posted by IndigoJack View Post

      In your original post you stated that you had been running the site for a while.......
      ......and now you state that you only launched the site yesterday?
      I also state, in one of my earlier posts, that I took a lot of the advice I got and implemented it into a new site

      I've had the URL + a site for a long time. Launched this new site yesterday.
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      • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
        Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

        I also state, in one of my earlier posts, that I took a lot of the advice I got and implemented it into a new site

        I've had the URL + a site for a long time. Launched this new site yesterday.

        Oh, ok. Just being a cynic. It's an affliction.
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  • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
    Originally Posted by gdrg View Post

    Hey guys,

    I've been running a site in the cellulite niche for a while now and I just can NOT make it work. It is driving me absolutely NUTS!!!

    I've tried about 5/6 different salespages that I have tested for a while each.

    I am currently ranked 1st/2nd for keyword "cellulite solution" which has a lot of searches each month but it still gives me like 40 organic hits a month, how is that even possible?

    I usually don't share my URL but I really would appreciate any feedback you guys have or are willing to share.

    I've had like 3 sales in a year with this site, come on!!

    Getting tired of it, but giving up is not an option.

    #1 Cellulite Solution Online - Get Rid of Your Cellulite Today

    Thanks in advance everyone

    Just had another look at the site - it's great now! Happy smiling woman on first page excellent and the text content is very good!

    I hope it starts bring in the punters.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Munch
    Looks a lot better now!

    Be aware people won't be too interested in reading all that text so if you are pre-selling in there then work on your headlines and sub-headlines to keep the reader enticed.

    I also think you could improve the headline for the top products at the bottom, and I would split test having those products at the top instead of the bottom.

    Also it might be worth giving each of those top products a brief headline describing what they do.

    Also don't forget the too much choice lowers conversions principle. Split test promoting the BEST product.

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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Brock
      You may have improved the conversion rate somewhat, but you should test in order to find out. Personally though, I still don't think the site looks like a credible source of information - more like an advertising billboard.

      If it turns out your latest changes have improved your conversion rate, that's fine - but you really don't stand many chances of building up your traffic and in time get ranked for some of the important keywords with your current approach - it's not SEO or PPC friendly at all. I don't want to sound negative - but for this type of site the ingredients for succes are so very different from a typical salespage type site. If you insist on the salescopy route, then you need to look around for alternative sources of traffic.

      If not then I would (still) suggest giving people a market overview on your site, instead of just linking to amazon and clickbank. Do not limit the number of products, but make it easy for people to find out which products are the best.

      Give people enough information to make an informed buying decision on your site instead of them either clicking away or clicking an affiliate link (for an "accidental sale" here and there) without being properly pre-sold. Make it possible for users to browse products on your site, and the more you aid them in terms of finding the solution that is right for them, the more you will set yourself up for (1) traffic and (2) conversions.

      Have you considered adding unique product pages instead of just linking out to amazon and clickbank? There are hundreds of long tail keywords you could target - both brand names and cellulite related phrases.
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  • Profile picture of the author danicat
    Alright, first post! I've been a reader for awhile, just officially joined. Now while I'm not making any money online yet as I'm pretty new to the IM thing, I feel I can comment on your site because a. I'm a woman, b. I'm a woman with cellulite and c. I'm a licensed skin care professional.

    Your market is savvy. Women are all over the internet talking to each other about cellulite. They're on forums, they're on blogs...it's everywhere. You'd be amazed at how technical they get. Throwing up a site with a few products won't work. It won't work even if you say 'If you use all these things your dimpled skin will be gone tomorrow!'. You've got a good nitch though, it's for sure a buyers niche. Have you seen what Strivectin-SD sells for?! Despite mixed reviews women keep buying it. I will say it works for some, not for others.

    Back to your site though. Where is my value? You say your team as researched and here's the best of the best, but where do I see that reflected? Do I take you at your word? You tell me nothing. You don't sound at all like an authority. In fact, your 'about cellulite' is wrong. You don't know anything to be blunt. It also doesn't tell me why I need a massaging tool, why the tool you picked is the best tool, why your creams are the best creams. Also, your information doesn't stand out. I'm hit first by a bikini girl's boobs. Then products. If I fish around I get a bad article about how cellulite is fat and fat women have more cellulite. You've not only alienated your market, but then you called me fat. Your number 1 buyer of cellulite products will actually be thinner women. They want to show off but they can't because of dimpled skin. A fat woman worries more about how much she jiggles than any patch of dimples. Trust me, I know this well. So we're back to a savvy, emotional market and here you are giving bad information to your reader and called her fat! Boy, did you just sin big. To double that, you also called her old, told her she make look older and feel older. Old doesn't enter into the cellulite equation, so why bring up the evil 'O' word! Now, vericose veins, that's an issue that tacks on that evil 'O' word, but that's a whole other matter.

    I hope I offered something of value! Now I'm off to write a pack of PLR on cellulite!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by danicat View Post

      Alright, first post! I've been a reader for awhile, just officially joined. Now while I'm not making any money online yet as I'm pretty new to the IM thing, I feel I can comment on your site because a. I'm a woman, b. I'm a woman with cellulite and c. I'm a licensed skin care professional.

      ...

      I hope I offered something of value! Now I'm off to write a pack of PLR on cellulite!
      @gdrg: You just got it straight from the horse's mouth (pardon the expression, danicat)

      @danicat: Excellent first post, in fact I'm saving it for future reference. Being a middle-aged straight man, I've shied away from the beauty market but, based on what you said, I think I'll have to give it another look...
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      • Profile picture of the author danicat
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        @gdrg: You just got it straight from the horse's mouth (pardon the expression, danicat)

        @danicat: Excellent first post, in fact I'm saving it for future reference. Being a middle-aged straight man, I've shied away from the beauty market but, based on what you said, I think I'll have to give it another look...
        Whiiiiiiny! Hehe, no offense at all. Horses are awesome! Part of my goal is to have money for my private horse riding lessons again.

        And thank you! The beauty market can be awesome, it's what I'm starting with. Shoot, I can take a look around my bathroom and if I had gotten commissions just off me...I'd be set! Look, I have a $200 face brush. IT'S A FACE BRUSH. $200!!! There are profits there for sure!
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