How Do You Treat Or Perceive Warrior Forum Members Who Have Developed Bad Reputations?

That's ideal Steven! People who behave badly definitely require help! No better place to contact than the Help Desk to truly help out these troubled folk.

As a new member, I start everyone out on the same footing--and let them show me their mettle as time goes by. Even the most obvious bloviator often has something of value to share--even if it is a negative example of something.

I am the GM of a 400K+ member forum elsewhere. Time is too short to play armchair moderator or engage in mind games here...:p

Steven I hear you... I started this thread just to see what other WF members were thinking because although my delivery is diplomatic, the military side of me wants to go to DEFCON 1 when I encounter certain of these knuckleheads.

Tommy, I've seen numerous of these individuals get hammered and to be quite frank some of them appear to be gluttons for WF punishment by.

Granted, I've seen a few individuals get hammered and apparently have an epiphany and change their ways, but for the most part, many of the individuals who fit into that small group of outcasts just keep showing their true colors.

Honestly, I've got a number of WF members that I've lost "ALL" respect for.

They are either constantly trying to game the system or constantly rendering IM information that only serves to mislead noobs, and/or they present themselves in such a way that you KNOW they have untoward ulterior motives.

When I see their profile, [each and every single solitary time] immediately my radars go on RED ALERT!

I've tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but some people have crossed certain lines that they can never uncross, IMHO.

Giles, the Crew Chief

I say give a person a second chance. But a third chance ?? No way !!!!

If they do somethng really, really , really blatant and crooked I usually dont even give a second chance.

Unfortunately, in this World there are just some 'bad apples' who NEVER will behave correctly and civilized !!

The only things I generally remember about someone here is either being too judgmental or close-minded. Other than that it is a thread-by-thread thing for me.

Honestly, like you Tommy, I will go the extra mile to help them feel special like they are.

To be clear, these individuals are convinced in their minds that they are going to get away with gaming the system. They don't realize there are more WF members than they ever could imagine who see and know exactly what they are doing.

Here's a classic example...

An OP starts a thread which is much ado about nothing. Most of these threads are not IM related or they are vaguely IM related and if anything should be posted in the "OFF TOPIC" section.

Then, there are the OPs who start threads about subjects related to IM, all the while asserting themselves as being SEO experts, Article Marketing experts, Backlink Building experts, Affiliate Marketing experts, etc., but their statements CLEARLY reveal that they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

However, the OP's game is to build post count by any means necessary even if it means seasoned WF members are going to blast them into the IM abyss.

So, like lambs to the slaughter, they post these cheesy threads with hopes of garnering a flood comments. The more comments they get; the higher their post count goes.

If they get only a few comments, [which is usually what happens] instead of clicking the "Thanks" button on all the posts, they respond with a post something like this...

But they only leave comments on "1" post.

If after a while, no one makes any additional posts to their thread, they will attempt to bump the thread 2 or 3 more times by leaving successive comments.

There are three tell tale signs that reveal when someone is trying to game system.

The 1st sign is successive posts by the OP, similar to this...

Post #06 on 07-22-2010, at 10:01 AM made by profile, "DumbandDumberer"

Post #07 on 07-22-2010, at 11:47 AM made by profile, "DumbandDumberer"

Post #08 on 07-22-2010, at 12:48 PM made by profile, "DumbandDumberer"

With each successive post, they ingeniously bump their thread to the top of the board. Again - gaming the system.

The 2nd tell tale sign is a constant stream of "One Liner" posts that usually say "Thank you!" in some, form, fashion or another.

Their threads are filled with a stream of repetitive accolades that look something like this...

All of those one liners could have easily been eliminated simply be clicking the "Thanks" button, but remember - their objective is to build Post Count.

The 3rd tell tale sign is found by viewing their profile.

You can view certain profiles and see nothing but an endless parade of one liners...

Yes, they have a thousand posts but they all look like this...

To the noob and the uniformed, on the surface, that high post count makes them look like they are a contributing member of the WF; however, those 3 tell tale signs [combined together] reveals someone who is apparently trying to game the system!

Actually John, there are more members of the WF accomplishing extraordinary things than you can imagine! They don't boast. They don't toot their own horns and they don't talk about their accomplishments.

They love coming to WF and helping others achieve their dreams of succeeding online; that's their motivation!

If you have some individuals that have an angst against you because you've stated some of your accomplishments, that's their issue! Unfortunately, we do have individuals who get antsy when they feel like someone is stealing their thunder.

As far as sending an infraction, I've never sent one simply because of the type of person I am. I'll address the knucklehead head-on. Not to say that it won't happen in the future but I've seen these individuals get put on front street so bad that all they could do was tuck their tails in between their hind legs and disappear for a good while.

IMHO, that's better than an infraction!

As far a my radar; it's on point even if you give zero credence to it but thanks for being concerned.


I have to admit, some of these knuckleheads give us some great entertainment with their mind boggling incorrect assertions that they passionately hold on to even when they are proved wrong a thousand times over.

Giles, the Crew Chief

In all communities, and WF is certainly not an exception, there are some people whose total intent is to game the system.

When I spot one of these nefarious characters I report the post and include my reasons for making the report.

Some posts set my "radar" off more quickly than others. And that is likely true for all of us. We can't just call Sperry or whoever and buy a ready to go, one size fits all, radar system.

For each of us our radar was custom built over time by ourselves. Its sensitivity was, and continues to be, fine tuned by our life experiences. If we've never been scammed we're less likely to spot a scam. If we've only ever known nice, sweet, wartless people we'll believe everyone is such.

It's important to recognize that while many of our experiences are similar to others not all are.

There's a lot more stuff "out there" than we're aware of.

Much of it is good and truthful, some not.

Elmer

JD, just to clarify, there is a MAJOR difference in what you are doing versus someone coming on the WF exclaiming how much money they are making online and then we check out and BAM! They've got squat!

It is inspirational when WF members can genuinely talk about and show their IM successes to others, but these knuckleheads have little to no online success to speak of.

And saying they are trying to fake it until they make it, is a huge misappropriation of vocabulary and descriptive terms. The reality is these individuals grossly mislead others with their IM theories and gold plated testimonies.

Do I hate them? A thousand times NO!

Do they affect me in any shape, form or fashion? Again, a thousand times NO!

However, I do lose ALL respect for them and at that point, no matter what they post, I'm going to scan it with earnest suspicion.

I make it point not to comment on their threads unless they start delivering more IM nonsense that has the potential to harm, hinder or mislead others.

I recall one such knucklehead who claimed to be a big time Bum Marketing expert who was making a ton of money online. He had built up around 600 to 700 posts rather quickly before he got called out by numerous seasoned WF members and then his fake it until he made it IM world came crashing down.

He even had a video on one of his Youtube accounts espousing how to join a forum and quickly become a go to person.

The thing is, noobs were believing he was the juice and starting following his strategies, [which were based on spamming and beelackhat tactics].

He first came upon my radar, because he was bumping his threads with one liners and he was constantly starting threads that essentially were about nothing.

I made it a point to track him both on and off WF and that was easy because he didn't understand IM footprints.

I witnessed this dude get banned from EZA, blogger, the WF and a host of other sites, WEB 2.0 properties and monetization systems; all while he was pushing and pressing to convince others that he was a expert IM.

He was so bad at IM that I use his online profile and IM footprint as training illustrations on how not to do the business.

People like that are nothing like what you are describing and doing.

Giles, the Crew Chief

You know folks, there is something else we need to keep in mind.

Success is relative.

There was a time I used to think I was real successful and really tooted my
horn about it.

Then I got to meet some REALLY successful people and realized that in the
grand scheme of things, I'm a notch above a nobody.

It's been a humbling experience to come to a place filled with people earning
upper 6 figures to 7 figures a year. Look at Ron Douglas and what HE'S done.

Now THAT is success.

Guys like me are a dime a dozen. In essence, we've managed to excel
beyond our own ignorance and stupidity and somehow put enough smarts
together to eek out a modest living online.

Donald Trump we're not.

And I'm fine with that. I no longer need to try to convince people that
I have half a brain because in all honesty, that's all I have.

I realize that when I read some of the incredible posts that some of you
make detailing some really complex business models.

So before any of us get on our high horse and think that we're hot stuff,
remember, there are probably a boat load of people who would look at
your success and laugh at it.

Yeah...this place as been a real humbling experience for me.

You know that rings just as true now as it did in your Grandmother's time, and I am sure it will ring just as true in your Great, Great, Great, Great Granchild's Life as well !!
Some things are just timeless !!

I find it odd when a new person just pops up outta nowhere and they have like one post... and you can tell something is funny like its someone you know or something and they just real quickly started another profile to talk to you anonymously...

Ever get that feeling?

Same here. Hey, is your name really Jack Powers?