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Would you want this?

by theemperor
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Guys,

I am thinking of creating a desktop article submitter.

It would submit to the top 10-20 directories, giving the most value, and not bothering with the 1000's of mickey-mouse directories that eventually get hacked, deleted or forgotten.

I would maintain a special file that ensures that the submission keeps up to date with changes in the requirements of these directories. It may also integrate with a Captcha service.

I would either provide the software free to build a list or for a very cheap price, as it is fairly easy to write.

I wondered what the interest in such a piece of software would be. Would you buy it? Would you take the time to download and try if it was free?
  • Profile picture of the author phsims
    I think I currently have about 3 on my comp (I really must have a clear out).

    If it were free I would take a look at it
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    phsims, thanks! what is wrong with the 3 you have such that you don't use them? What is the killer feature that is missing? Or are they just unreliable?
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Rickfold
    yeah this would be pretty good if it's free... if you want to get people to buy it you need to differentiate it from your competition... make it unique
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  • Profile picture of the author Devon Brown
    I think there are already a lot of submitters.. especially ones that let you pick and choose which directories you want them to go in. I'm with antipot. You'll have to make this unique in order to get some real attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Thanks Devon and Antipot

    It's weird I have never found a good submitter. Many come up with errors and don't submit to the really good directories. Often EZineArticles is missed! That's the easiest one to submit to - (they provide an API).

    But if you can mention a great submitter that is cheap/free that does what I said above then I'll be happy to just use it and not embark on this idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Rickfold
      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      Thanks Devon and Antipot

      It's weird I have never found a good submitter. Many come up with errors and don't submit to the really good directories. Often EZineArticles is missed! That's the easiest one to submit to - (they provide an API).

      But if you can mention a great submitter that is cheap/free that does what I said above then I'll be happy to just use it and not embark on this idea.

      if you want to offer a free one it's a great idea
      there aren't many free good ones and it would be a great list building approach

      very good idea: you should check out into aweber's or getresponse's API or praser or whatever they have (I'm not that technical) to give updates only to people who are subscribed to your list... so to access the updates they would need to use their e-mail address with which you subscribed...

      not to mention, at every update you could probably enter some area in the software in which you can promote offers...

      probably aweber and getresponse doesn't have a feature to check the email addresses subscribed, maybe you could find some alternative or create your own... but even without that, you could probably just ask people to subscribe when they first start the software...
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    I want automatic submission, which most don't have and I get that from using SEnuke
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    Cool is SENuke a good tool and reliable at this job then?
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    • Profile picture of the author Anna_O
      I haven't tried others, but really like Article Marketing Robot. It includes a spinner, a scheduler for submissions, and EZA is included in the long list of directories.

      There is a 5-day free trial and a discount under the WSO for it.

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  • Profile picture of the author vpgemini
    Hi there,

    I have one that I was using in the past and it submitted to a couple hundred directories. I think if yours were able to just hit the Higher PR directories it would be something worth looking at. Especially if it were kept up to date with any directory changes etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    There are already a lot of applications like that...

    A few years ago, I started a project to build such an application... But I had an interesting twist on my version...

    On my version, the software checked my central server to get the most up-to-date list of article directories and to find out when the directory last approved an article...

    While submitting the users' articles, the software also checked to see when the last time was that the directory approved an article for that submitter... With that info in hand, the software pinged my server, so my global list of article directories could organize by "last article approved date"...

    In this way, people using the software would know before submitting an article to a directory whether the directory was currently approving articles, and order the directories on the list by "last approved date"...

    The software would show you the date of the last approved article submitted by anyone, and it would show the date of the last approved article submitted by you... This way, you could better understand whether no one was getting articles approved, or just you were having problems getting approved...

    It seemed like a really brilliant idea, delivering an article directory submission software that let you know in real-time whether you were wasting your time submitting to a particular directory or not...

    I was targeting to match the $400 retail price of the original article submission software (forgive me, but I don't remember the name of it)... I was going to give away a limited version, and charge for the Pro Version...

    I finished the software, although it was not yet working on all Windows configurations... So, I was in the middle of troubleshooting when I made another discovery that made the whole project seem senseless to me... I abandoned the project before troubleshooting was completed...

    In the central database, I had 800+ article directories that I was feeding into the software...

    My software was working so well that after 6 months of using it in-house, I was able to get a realistic knowledge of the state of the article directory industry...

    I found that only 46 article directories were approving articles within 6 months of submission...

    I realized that only 38 article directories were approving articles within 90 days of submission...

    I determined that only 12 directories were approving articles within 72 hours of an article submission...

    Would you pay $400 for an article submission software package that could submit articles to 800+ article directories, if the software also showed you that there were just over three dozen article directories who would even approve your articles within the next 90 days? And only a dozen directories that would approve your articles within one week?

    When I realized that the software worked too good, by showing the ugly underbelly of the article directory websites, I realized that people would be pissed off if they paid a few hundred dollars for a software that told you that there were really only 3 dozen article directories where you should send your articles...

    I abandoned that project at that point, knowing that the software would be a hard-sell, when people finally realized the truth about article directories... LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I realized that people would be pissed off if they paid a few hundred dollars for a software that told you that there were really only 3 dozen article directories where you should send your articles...
      3 dozen? I haven't found that many!

      I'd potentially be interested, on the basis of 10 - 20 directories.

      I'd be far more interested in it as a paid-for product with good support available than as a freebie.

      (I'd ideally want to be able to vary the resource-boxes, to take advantage of the different article directories' rules/procedures. I might still be interested, though, even without that.)
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        3 dozen? I haven't found that many!

        I'd potentially be interested, on the basis of 10 - 20 directories.

        I'd be far more interested in it as a paid-for product with good support available than as a freebie.

        (I'd ideally want to be able to vary the resource-boxes, to take advantage of the different article directories' rules/procedures. I might still be interested, though, even without that.)
        Keep in mind that I abandoned the project in Sept of 2007...

        And being a person who loves article marketing, my version did do all of those things that you suggested...

        The software enabled you to set up 10 potential resource boxes for each article, that you could vary according to the rules of each article directory, and you could use to vary your anchor text...

        While most article directories allow up to 500 characters in the resource box, there was one that only allowed 225 characters... But I used the multiple resource boxes primarily to rotate the anchor text from one site to another...

        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

        I was just thinking that if it is written in Adobe Flash and just appeared on a web page (I could make it require a sign-in to ensure you are subscribed to the list) then there is nothing to download and you just get the latest version by visiting the site.
        If I were writing the same software today, I would definitely build it in Adobe Flash as the best option for applications that will run on all computer systems, regardless of configuration...

        I would also definitely require login, before people used the software...
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    tpw - wow that is interesting - you confirmed my worse suspicions about these copycat directories. They are given no love by their owners and are useless. I think 99% of the benefit comes from 1% of the directories.

    antipot - thanks good ideas.

    I was just thinking that if it is written in Adobe Flash and just appeared on a web page (I could make it require a sign-in to ensure you are subscribed to the list) then there is nothing to download and you just get the latest version by visiting the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author theemperor
    Thanks Alexa

    Would you hazard a guess at what price you think this is worth?

    There is another way I could resolve the free/paid thing. I could do a free edition - 5 directories and paid 20 directories.

    One feature I would like to include is a nice way of handling categories. Obviously they are slightly different on each directory and would be nice to say "Health"->"Remedies" for example and have it pick a good category on each site, but let you modify it incase you want to "tune".
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      Thanks Alexa

      Would you hazard a guess at what price you think this is worth?
      Ooh, I don't know at all.

      You should be listening to Bill rather than to me, anyway.

      I'd actually like this and would have no problem paying a decent amount, preferably as a monthly thing, to use it (so that one doesn't spend a fortune upfront without testing it adequately and checking the benefits first). I'd certainly pay $97 per month for the convenience, but that doesn't mean that others will. And I have no idea what else there is available, except that I'm pretty confident there aren't any well-known article submitters that I'd be willing to use, myself.

      Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

      There is another way I could resolve the free/paid thing. I could do a free edition - 5 directories and paid 20 directories.
      Maybe ... or just give a 2-week free trial? Or a month's trial for $27 or something? Anyone seriously interested will pay for a $27 trial month, surely?

      Originally Posted by Xmas View Post

      The problem I have found with Article Submitter programs is that I can not get any support.
      This is what I've heard.

      And it's very offputting indeed.

      People will pay for good support, I think: I can't be the only one?
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Ooh, I don't know at all.

        You should be listening to Bill rather than to me, anyway.

        I'd actually like this and would have no problem paying a decent amount, preferably as a monthly thing, to use it (so that one doesn't spend a fortune upfront without testing it adequately and checking the benefits first). I'd certainly pay $97 per month for the convenience, but that doesn't mean that others will. And I have no idea what else there is available, except that I'm pretty confident there aren't any well-known article submitters that I'd be willing to use, myself.

        Maybe ... or just give a 2-week free trial? Or a month's trial for $27 or something? Anyone seriously interested will pay for a $27 trial month, surely?

        This is what I've heard.

        And it's very offputting indeed.

        People will pay for good support, I think: I can't be the only one?
        That's interesting - of course I need to ask other people what they pay but it's nice getting an idea of at least one price point.

        If I knew I could get 50 * $97 a month customers I would be motivated to spend a time each day ensuring that all the submissions worked, and I could host the submissions on my own server to ensure that everyone is getting a consistent experience and not having technical problems due to their own connections. And I could easily provide a high level of support and could probably provide phone support too.

        Well if I start this project it would be later in the year. I am going traveling soon so I won't be offering a great level of support but it might be a good chance to do more research and thinking about this offering. Obviously someone could read this and copy the idea, but it's only an idea at this stage.

        Initially this was going to be a freebie to help promote other products, but I need to see if this could be a good product in itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xmas
    The problem I have found with Article Submitter programs is that I can not get any support.

    The program says I can add directories but errors out when I try. No help from the program developer.

    If you will keep it updated and offer a response to support questions you are way a head in my book.

    I agree there are many many article submitter programs out there - People will want something different.

    A new person would look at only 20 submissions and think wow I can get a thousand with this other program. I am going with the 1000's of submissions. More = Better in a new person's mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      Xmas - that is an interesting point of view.

      I hope I could educate people that quality not quantity is key.

      I could say "Submits to 2000 directories, but saves you CPU time by skipping those ones that we know won't give you any benefit." J/K
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Xmas View Post

      The problem I have found with Article Submitter programs is that I can not get any support.

      The program says I can add directories but errors out when I try. No help from the program developer.

      If you will keep it updated and offer a response to support questions you are way a head in my book.
      I am not saying that I would consider going through the process again, but I am curious, and I know that theemperor would certainly be interested to know, but if someone offered a program that submitted to say the top 20 article directories, and they offered reliable support for the software, how much would you be willing to pay for that?

      Also, would you be offended if the developer offered the software under a one-year license fee, to help him or her cover the cost of upgrades and continuing, long-term support?

      p.s. theemperor If I can be of assistance to you, even if just for Q&A, I would be happy to help...
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Holmes
    I use article marketing robot for this which has the added benefits of being able to spin articles, create article directory accounts and submit them on a timed schedule.

    Unless you did something special I don't think it's something I would go for myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author SniperSoftware
    I've always been mystified by the thought that getting one backlink from one high PR directory is better than getting hundreds from a variety low and high PR directories.

    If you are looking for an article submitter program that is constantly supported, I don't think it would take very much work to find it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by SniperSoftware View Post

      I've always been mystified by the thought that getting one backlink from one high PR directory is better than getting hundreds from a variety low and high PR directories.

      If you are looking for an article submitter program that is constantly supported, I don't think it would take very much work to find it.
      You would think... Amazingly, most companies in this space offer little to no support...
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Yes it is a law of diminishing returns.

        A backlink from EZA may have 10000 times the juice of a backlink from say EZINE-DOG-TRAINING-ARTICLES-BASE.com. Submitting to those mickey mouse directories most submissions will fail because they have been hacked or no longer in use.

        Of those that get submitted very few will be published - many owners of these sites forget about them and let them fall into disarray. Of those that do get accepted, the home page PR is 0 or 1 if your are lucky.

        The article you submit would be lucky to get indexed at all by Google, and if it is will carry very little back-linking value.

        Zero * 1000 = Still Zero.

        I've tried this with the Article Bot. I got it cheap and it's a good tool, but the premise behind distributing to 100's of directories being a good thing I think is flawed.

        A 100% reliable submitter to the decent 20 or so directories would be much more valuable.
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    theemperor, i have tried most of them and the main problem of them are:
    1) Some of them can not submit true to some article directories and you always get error for submitting them.
    2) Some of them don't support main article directories. I think there are about 20 main article directories.
    3) Article directories change their submission method, and if you don't update your software to work with them, your project will be failed.
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    I would love to buy this i have used some bad submitters (free though) that only submittedd to one site out of 30. so id love to buy yours to see how it goes
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    sounds like there is more need for a GOOD directory than a submitter.
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  • Profile picture of the author SniperSoftware
    Ignorance is bliss I guess, but I think you are missing out on doing a quick search for WSO's and finding one that already does all this.
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      Originally Posted by SniperSoftware View Post

      Ignorance is bliss I guess, but I think you are missing out on doing a quick search for WSO's and finding one that already does all this.
      Hey what with all the nudge-nudge-wink-wink! I am going to try your submitter soon, once I get my new PC running smoothly. I am hoping it will submit to the top directories. The top ones ranked by Alexa are currently:

      (Number, URL, Alexa, PR, NoFollow?)

      1. ezinearticles.com 120 6
      2. articlesbase.com 343 6 NF!
      3. suite101.com 647 7
      4. buzzle.com 701 6
      5. helium.com 1,273 6
      6. goarticles.com 1,644 4
      7. articlesnatch.com 1,662 5 NF!
      8. articlealley.com 2,179 5 NF!
      9. articledashboard.com 3,078 5
      10. selfgrowth.com/articles.html 3,376 5
      11. ideamarketers.com 4,004 5
      12. bukisa.com 4,112 5 NF!
      13. amazines.com 5,044 3
      14. isnare.com 5,285 6
      15. searchwarp.com 5,446 5 NF!
      16. articlecity.com 5,649 6
      17. infobarrel.com 6,703 4
      18. sooperarticles.com 6,766 5
      19. articleclick.com 7,124 4
      20. articlerich.com 7,474 3
      21. articlecube.com 7,531 0
      22. a1articles.com 8,053 5 NF!
      23. submityourarticle.com/articles/ 8,959 4
      24. articlestars.com 9,147 2
      25. web-source.net 9,884 3
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  • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
    It's a great idea but unfortunately i already have more than 5 of these same submitters that have huge promises only to fall short eventually. Hopefully you create the 'one' after so long.
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      Originally Posted by forfun_cash View Post

      It's a great idea but unfortunately i already have more than 5 of these same submitters that have huge promises only to fall short eventually. Hopefully you create the 'one' after so long.
      What I have found in my other software endeavors is that each customer has their own expectation of what is an "essential feature". What I can bring to the table is flexibility, in that if someone wants to buy it but it doesn't do X, Y or Z I will consider adding those feature. Not just to get a sale but to ensure the program is doing what people really want it to do.

      Sometimes I say no, for example with my spinner I have had 2 requests to do "auto spinning". One of those was after a sale and I refunded them rather than doing it, as I don't believe it is a good feature to include.

      I think the killer feature with a submitter is reliability. You buy a submitter to save time and grief. It should reliably create your accounts and submit and deal with captchas. No "Error" or "Submission Failed" nonsense - this should be very rare occurance, not par for the course as it is with many submitters.
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      • Profile picture of the author chriscubos
        Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

        I think the killer feature with a submitter is reliability. You buy a submitter to save time and grief. It should reliably create your accounts and submit and deal with captchas. No "Error" or "Submission Failed" nonsense - this should be very rare occurance, not par for the course as it is with many submitters.
        It would be great if you will be able to put one out that would do just that since account creation and article submissions will really take up too much time... not to mention the waiting time for having your articles approved and posted on the internet. Will definitely give it a try if such a product comes out in the market.
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    I'm interested and wanna give it a try for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author grumpyjacksa
    in south africa there is an online service called spin2submit.co.za

    it submits to more than 2,500 directories...

    however...

    a huge percentage cannot be connected to at any given time (for various reasons)

    and only a few of them send me acknowledgments of receipt or approval...

    BUT...

    some of the approvals only come through three and four months later - when i have already moved on....

    HOWEVER...

    just an idea...

    they offer limited service - 10 submissions per month for free, and then different membership levels according to consumption...

    your call

    but it sounds interesting

    just my 0.02c
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    theemporer Unfortunately, that list is not entirely accurate...

    1. ezinearticles.com 120 6 -- They don't let just any software developer submit there... You can use the api, but they may disable the api for you, if they don't like what you send to them... They have already blocked a number of article distribution services from submitting there...

    2. articlesbase.com 343 6 NF!

    3. suite101.com 647 7
    4. buzzle.com 701 6
    5. helium.com 1,273 6

    3-5 are not exactly article directories in the sense that we think of article directories...

    6. goarticles.com 1,644 4
    7. articlesnatch.com 1,662 5 NF!
    8. articlealley.com 2,179 5 NF!
    9. articledashboard.com 3,078 5
    10. selfgrowth.com/articles.html 3,376 5
    11. ideamarketers.com 4,004 5
    12. bukisa.com 4,112 5 NF!
    13. amazines.com 5,044 3
    14. isnare.com 5,285 6
    15. searchwarp.com 5,446 5 NF!
    16. articlecity.com 5,649 6
    17. infobarrel.com 6,703 4
    18. sooperarticles.com 6,766 5
    19. articleclick.com 7,124 4
    20. articlerich.com 7,474 3
    21. articlecube.com 7,531 0
    22. a1articles.com 8,053 5 NF!

    23. submityourarticle.com/articles/ 8,959 4 -- Article Distribution service... You need to buy submissions to get in their directory...

    24. articlestars.com 9,147 2

    25. web-source.net 9,884 3 -- this is only a newsletter

    If you want to pm, I could share a few more real article directories with you
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    • Profile picture of the author SniperSoftware
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      theemporer Unfortunately, that list is not entirely accurate...

      1. ezinearticles.com 120 6 -- They don't let just any software developer submit there... You can use the api, but they may disable the api for you, if they don't like what you send to them... They have already blocked a number of article distribution services from submitting there...
      They have an API? LOL my software totally bypasses that.
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      • Profile picture of the author theemperor
        Originally Posted by SniperSoftware View Post

        They have an API? LOL my software totally bypasses that.
        Yes you probably would, as the same browser imitation you would do on other directories should work on EZA too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    Originally Posted by theemperor View Post

    Guys,

    I am thinking of creating a desktop article submitter.

    It would submit to the top 10-20 directories, giving the most value, and not bothering with the 1000's of mickey-mouse directories that eventually get hacked, deleted or forgotten.

    I would maintain a special file that ensures that the submission keeps up to date with changes in the requirements of these directories. It may also integrate with a Captcha service.

    I would either provide the software free to build a list or for a very cheap price, as it is fairly easy to write.

    I wondered what the interest in such a piece of software would be. Would you buy it? Would you take the time to download and try if it was free?
    There are a lot of great options in this market... and unfortunately, a lot that top yours by a mile from what you've shared here. Now... if you think outside of the box a little bit (like creating a submitter for doc sharing sites, and I'm still looking for a quality podcast submitter...) you will do a lot better.

    I think there's still room for a solid press release submitter that will allow spun content and automatically adjust the release's links depending on the specs of the PR site...one that would drip submit as well... The ones I've come across just never quite hit it 100%.

    Anyway, good luck, but if I were a programmer I would stay away from the article directory submitters... just a personal objection for that particular type of submission market.
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    • Profile picture of the author theemperor
      Originally Posted by Scott Million View Post

      There are a lot of great options in this market... and unfortunately, a lot that top yours by a mile from what you've shared here. Now... if you think outside of the box a little bit (like creating a submitter for doc sharing sites, and I'm still looking for a quality podcast submitter...) you will do a lot better.

      I think there's still room for a solid press release submitter that will allow spun content and automatically adjust the release's links depending on the specs of the PR site...one that would drip submit as well... The ones I've come across just never quite hit it 100%.

      Anyway, good luck, but if I were a programmer I would stay away from the article directory submitters... just a personal objection for that particular type of submission market.
      Thanks - I don't have software at this stage - I am just musing about it. Market / Research. I learned I need to roll ideas around for a bit longer before getting stuck in - due to too many rushed and abandoned projects in the past (when you get to the 'oh s***' stage which is either - "who is gonna buy this", or "this will cost too much to develop")

      I did a 'back of cigarette packet' calculation this morning and it would require $20k of my time (at a conservative rate) to create a decent submit solution plus $2k a month in costs to maintain it, so there needs to be a very good market for this.

      I think my problem is that I want to create very good quality software - like a craftsman. But in the IM niche it is the sales and hype and marketing budget that wins. There is a lot of shoddy software out there that is selling like hotcakes, and like a cult people love it. I imagine much of this S/W was developed cheaply in other countries.

      It's really weird. Enough to put me off and make software for outside the IM niche where the high quality will be appreciated more.
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