Is Social Networking Working for You?

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Hi Warriors,

I've been thinking a lot about the usefulness of social networking sites lately, and thought it might make for an interesting discussion.

I have personally been starting to question whether it is worth the effort to put a lot of work into sites like Twitter and Facebook.

Lets look at Facebook first...

I've seen a lot of people say Facebook is not a great place to sell, because although it has huge traffic volumes, the reality is that people go there to socialize and not to shop. This makes sense to me.

So it stands to reason that the Facebook audience is not going to be a receptive audience or, for that matter, a buying audience. They are not there in the right mindset to buy.

I have been experimenting with Facebook in one of the niche's I am working in right now. I have joined groups and added friends, and done the whole Facebook marketing thing.

Thing is, the only people I see in the groups are people who, like me, are only there to promote products that they sell.

I looked at the weight loss niche too. Almost every weight loss group in Facebook is 90% filled with other marketers pushing their weight loss tips. I see very few people with real problems, genuinely looking for solutions.

I have also found that the vast majority of people who add me as friends are - you guessed it - other marketers. It seems like these kinds of groups are filled with marketers, marketing their offers to each other. It's like a Toyota salesman trying to sell Toyota's to a Ford salesman.

Now this may work pretty well in a handful of niches, internet marketing itself being one of the few, but in my view these are the exception.

Another thing about Facebook - a lot of marketers who teach Facebook marketing suggest making fake accounts and using downloaded photos from the net as your profile photos. In my book that is plain unethical. What are your thoughts on this practice?

Is it just me, or does it seem like marketing on Facebook is going to take a monumental effort to get real results?

What has your experience been like with Facebook? Are you getting results?

I also got to thinking about Twitter...

Like Facebook, if you do a search for, for argument's sake, fish training, most of the people who show up in Twitter's search results are... (drum roll) other marketers selling books on how to train fish. :rolleyes:

How many of the people you follow and get followed by in your niche in Twitter, are actually genuinely interested in what you are posting?

Now I know that Social Networking does get you traffic, but my question to you Warriors is, how effective has it been for you? Is the traffic you generate from facebook and Twitter worth all the effort you put in in terms of building a network of followers that are BUYERS?

Sometimes I think it's better to use Facebook and Twitter as a platform to sell PLR items to the other marketers there... Now there is a huge audience for your PLR niche articles and books!

Your thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
    Social Bookmarking works...

    and Facebook is only part of it in order for it to be truly effective
    you need to ensure you are incorporating good Keyword rich titles
    for sites other than facebook.

    Also...I know people like automation....but It does not work for me when
    it comes to social bookmarking.

    I like to use
    Snipsly
    Digg
    Twitter (Keyword Rich Tweet...it ranks for your term)
    Amplify
    FACEBOOK FAN PAGE - (keyword rich...it will rank for your term)

    and a few others.

    All you need is a good 10 sites.

    I can take a whole page google listing with just those sites above for moderately competitive keywords.


    So...it Definitely works. In fact 50% of my business / list building
    comes from bookmarking ( And it's Targeted traffic...and good leads)

    Best

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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      Well, for me personally it doesnt work that great. However, they do give you really good backlinks. I do get tons of traffic from twitter but most of it doesnt turn into profit. So I'm up in the air about it
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  • Profile picture of the author mogulmedia
    You mean using social bookmarking for links or social media?

    I always saw social bookmarking as adding a link to a bookmark site like Linkagogo, Oyax and Yahoo bookmarks.

    Facebook, Twitter and co are different no? i.e. social media?
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbookmark
    Social bookmarking is a good way for making backlinks for your website and it can drive traffic for your website indirectly by promoting your website on search engines.
    And also some good social bookmarks can drive traffic for your website directly too.
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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      I kind of agree with you although traffic seems to be impossible to get on social bookmarking sites nowadays. It seems like everyone is on there to post and not to read. An example:drop jack, mixx, stumble upon, delicious, reddit, propellor...I've never had traffic from any of these sites..maybe stumble upon and delicious a few times...like 10 views. They just give me a backlink :-(
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by Nick Lotter View Post

        Hi Warriors, I've been thinking a lot about the usefulness of social bookmarking sites lately, and thought it might make for an interesting discussion.
        Nick, the first thing you should do is clarify your thread.

        Are you speaking about Social Networking Sites?

        Or, are you speaking about Social Bookmarking sites?

        It appears to me that you are speaking about Social Networking Sites and NOT Social Bookmarking sites.

        Twitter and Facebook are Social Networking sites.

        Can you please clarify?

        Giles, the Crew Chief
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        • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
          My bad, I meant social NETWORKING sites.

          I should also clarify that I am asking from the point of view of getting your product in front of an interested buyer, not from the point of view of networking with other marketers, as we all know that is very important.

          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          Nick, the first thing you should do is clarify your thread.

          Are you speaking about Social Networking Sites?

          Or, are you speaking about Social Bookmarking sites?

          It appears to me that you are speaking about Social Networking Sites and NOT Social Bookmarking sites.

          Twitter and Facebook are Social Networking sites.

          Can you please clarify?

          Giles, the Crew Chief
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          • Profile picture of the author Nick Lotter
            Thank you for all the responses so far.

            I also use social bookmarking sites like reddit, identi.ca, delicious etc for backlinks.

            What I am interested to know is whether your efforts on social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook are generating traffic to your sales page / offer, and whether that traffic is converting well.

            In other words, are your efforts converting to cash in the bank?

            As I mentioned above, I tend to see far more sellers on these sites than actual buyers and people genuinely looking for solutions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by Nick Lotter View Post

            My bad, I meant social NETWORKING sites.

            I should also clarify that I am asking from the point of view of getting your product in front of an interested buyer, not from the point of view of networking with other marketers, as we all know that is very important.
            Just so you know, you can change the title of the thread to correctly reflect your objective... since you are the OP.

            That way, you eliminate the confusion altogether, plus get the answers you are seeking.

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          • Profile picture of the author shmeeko69
            My bad, I meant social NETWORKING sites.

            I should also clarify that I am asking from the point of view of getting your product in front of an interested buyer, not from the point of view of networking with other marketers, as we all know that is very important.

            I still make the same mistake with the two social bookmarking - Reddit, Propeller, Digg, Technorati, Stumble Upon ......... social networking -Facebook, Twitter, My Space, Bebo ..........

            What method I found very effect was starting a Facebook fan page & having your own product or affiliate product in your link & then buying traffic at $5 from Fiverr ? The place for people to share things they?re willing to do for $5, the place where people send traffic to your fanpage & who have decent twitter or facebook followers & good reputation scores. This method has proved effect & you usually get a few sales & helps me to build a list all for the massive total of $5 & then just rinse & repeat.

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        • Profile picture of the author mogulmedia
          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          Nick, the first thing you should do is clarify your thread.

          Are you speaking about Social Networking Sites?

          Or, are you speaking about Social Bookmarking sites?

          It appears to me that you are speaking about Social Networking Sites and NOT Social Bookmarking sites.

          Twitter and Facebook are Social Networking sites.

          Can you please clarify?

          Giles, the Crew Chief
          Yeah agree!
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      • Profile picture of the author Blogmudgeon
        Originally Posted by connorbringas View Post

        I kind of agree with you although traffic seems to be impossible to get on social bookmarking sites nowadays. It seems like everyone is on there to post and not to read. An example:drop jack, mixx, stumble upon, delicious, reddit, propellor...I've never had traffic from any of these sites..maybe stumble upon and delicious a few times...like 10 views. They just give me a backlink :-(
        Then your problem is content and audience.

        As a blogger and former newspaper columnist I understand that the trigger to getting readers is a compelling title and first paragraph content. All too much stuff out there is being posted as keyword and backlink strategies. A combination of turning directories into Web 2.0 networking communities along with the Caffeine ramp up is having now and will transform radically the worth of the common backlink strategy.

        A year ago, I could anticipate ~200 readers on the first and second days of a Digg listing. A test this last week proved that Digg is now a circular waste of time. They (and others) are having an identity crisis, and several are failing miserably at it. Now? About 10 site visits on three articles. A backlink? Sure. But it is not quality as it does not generate traffic.

        Content, content, content. And understanding what the hot back linking and traffic generation properties of the day are. Mixx on the other hand generated ~80 site visits per article. Anyone who is not tracking the metrics of referrers, and acting to discover the "niche" directories/bookmarkers that produce results--and generating the type of content that is compelling for that audience--is going to ask your question over and over again...
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        • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
          You are definitely right, however I personally believe that everyone is marketing nowadays. IF you go on social bookmarking sites for example such as digg, reddit, stumble upon, drop jack, propellor..there are so many people that are just posting and not reading
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          • Profile picture of the author Blogmudgeon
            Originally Posted by connorbringas View Post

            You are definitely right, however I personally believe that everyone is marketing nowadays. IF you go on social bookmarking sites for example such as digg, reddit, stumble upon, drop jack, propellor..there are so many people that are just posting and not reading
            DiNucci's 1999 article "Fragmented Future" foresaw the integration of the internet into a variety of things--but the view was primarily device oriented. The salient point was to bring to light that developers must write to specific applications. Now, that fragmentation and application is within the social networks that are prevalent and growing at a geometric rate.

            General interest and information acquisition is being lost amidst a fragmentation into "personal internet experiences." Users are compartmentalizing the delivery of information and resources by their specific interests and proclivities--filtering out what does not meet a certain scope of awareness. Take a look at Google Live, and consider where search is headed--or the increasing impact of the Facebook "Like" paradigm.

            I am working on community sites as the first prong of my overall IM strategy. A component of the marketing for those sites includes Facebook--and serious consideration needs to be made as to whether a product, service, or personality needs propelled by a member, group, or "fan" page. Each is going to have a different result in what audience it attracts--and how others will integrate it into their carefully bounded interest feed.

            Yes, just about everyone is marketing these days--personally to professionally. Part and parcel of the Web 2.0 interactive experience is exposing yourself, sharing, listing, etcetera--and seeing how many "friends", fans, or ego surfing links can be amassed. A majority of what I see people doing today is a circular waste of time producing sheer dreck with no other purpose than ego stroking. It is going to take some serious consideration of how to move beyond the shopworn strategies of last month to stay on top and profit from all this fragmentation. As was stated, most of this rubbish is not delivered to convert.

            And as a marketer, I am much more concerned about acquiring a focused special interest or niche user than having 1,951 Facebook friends who don't convert...
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  • Profile picture of the author dk1
    It appears that you are referring to social networking sites not social bookmarking - these are different things.
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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      OHHHHH, well in that case. I dont believe social bookmarking is worth the time...but it gives you backlinks. Social NETWORKING is very important for small businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tymarkinc
    Originally Posted by Nick Lotter View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I've been thinking a lot about the usefulness of social bookmarking sites lately, and thought it might make for an interesting discussion.

    I have personally been starting to question whether it is worth the effort to put a lot of work into sites like Twitter and Facebook.

    Lets look at Facebook first...

    I've seen a lot of people say Facebook is not a great place to sell, because although it has huge traffic volumes, the reality is that people go there to socialize and not to shop. This makes sense to me.

    So it stands to reason that the Facebook audience is not going to be a receptive audience or, for that matter, a buying audience. They are not there in the right mindset to buy.

    I have been experimenting with Facebook in one of the niche's I am working in right now. I have joined groups and added friends, and done the whole Facebook marketing thing.

    Thing is, the only people I see in the groups are people who, like me, are only there to promote products that they sell.

    I looked at the weight loss niche too. Almost every weight loss group in Facebook is 90% filled with other marketers pushing their weight loss tips. I see very few people with real problems, genuinely looking for solutions.

    I have also found that the vast majority of people who add me as friends are - you guessed it - other marketers. It seems like these kinds of groups are filled with marketers, marketing their offers to each other.

    Another thing about Facebook - a lot of marketers who teach Facebook marketing suggest making fake accounts and using downloaded photos from the net as your profile photos. In my book that is plain unethical. What are your thoughts on this practice?

    Is it just me, or does it seem like marketing on Facebook is going to take a monumental effort to get real results?

    What has your experience been like with Facebook? Are you getting results?

    I also got to thinking about Twitter...

    Like Facebook, if you do a search for, for argument's sake, fish training, most of the people who show up in Twitter's search results are... (drum roll) other marketers selling books on how to train fish. :rolleyes:

    How many of the people you follow and get followed by in your niche in Twitter, are actually genuinely interested in what you are posting?

    Now I know that Social Bookmarking does get you traffic, but my question to you Warriors is, how effective has it been for you? Is the traffic generation you get from facebook and Twitter worth all the effort you put in in terms of building a network of followers?

    Sometimes I think it's better to use Facebook and Twitter as a platform to sell PLR items to the other marketers there... Now there is a huge audience for your PLR niche articles and books!

    Your thoughts?

    There are internet marketers that will swear by Facebook, then there are those who will swear by Twitter, and then Youtube and so on and so on.

    At the end of the day it's about how effective we are using these platforms. If there are massive amounts of people being exposed to you marketing platform, there is a way to make money.

    It's just up to us to find the right system and the right time.
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  • Profile picture of the author forfun_cash
    I hate social bookmarking. the posters > readers imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author sampip
    I see facebook as such a time waster, I am sure there are some that got in at the very very beginning and have been successful.

    Though there are thousands of groups and fan pages to compete with that like you say are just other internet marketers all doing the same thing.

    Another point you made which I strongly agree on is people use facebook to socialise not to buy. They are by no means in the right frame of mind to buy something. Unless it is a highly known brand or store, that have ads plastered every where.
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