Long sales page yields more sales?

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Is it true that long sales pages yields more sales than short ones?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vincenzo Oliva
    Well the old time copy masters all say "The more you tell, the more you sell" but I'm starting to doubt that. Just look at every one of the top 20 IM gurus. None of them go any where near "long" copy. They do lateral video sales letters in launch sequence.

    They're all banking big time. Long copy works like as dial-up internet access still works but why bother when you can kick it up 10 fold.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyadams
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    • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
      Certain approaches have varying results.

      I would suggest testing the video control disable, though, rather than
      accepting it as universally applicable and effective.

      If I arrive at a video that does not offer controls, then I leave and don't
      bother. I've seen enough similar comments on this forum to suggest there
      may be enough who feel the same.

      People don't always appreciate a complete loss of control.

      Regarding sales copy length, much depends on the market and medium.

      At what point does sales copy become "long form" copy? Yes, video is hot
      and big, people are too lazy to read, whatever. Yes, video sales letters
      perform better in some markets and mediums but not in all of them.

      Your best course is to test everything.


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      • Profile picture of the author 33zpix
        @ken Thompson- point about video-disable control... I hope this sentiment spreads and gets noticed more! NO CONTROL to pause or disable is an insult to the prospect or a lost message if one gets interrupted.... or maybe that is the point - it filters out all but the easily manipulated.

        So NO CONTROL becomes a self-filter for eliminating the unsavory marketers. Too bad because maybe there is some value being offered and the marketer is just clueless.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShadowCaster
      Originally Posted by dannyadams View Post

      ....
      Another thing, it's important to disable the control on your video. People will skip to the end to see the price and you'll never have a chance to build value.
      ...
      That is so annoying! You should at least leave pause button & volume controls..

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      Calls to action, like
      "Only 3 copies left"
      or
      "Get it for limited time price of $XX"
      also improves conversions a bit..
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    I will throw my two cents in to say that a video sales letter works much better than the long sales copy that you are referring to.
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  • Profile picture of the author JOSEPHRAJ
    Thanks for those replied. I think the current trend is video sales pages as the majority voting video sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by R Joseph View Post

    Experts, please leave your views here.

    Is it true that long sales pages yields more sales than short ones?
    Think of your sales letter as a series of hooks.

    Each of them has a chance of "catching" your prospect and making him want to buy.

    With more hooks, there's a higher chance of catching anything that drags past them.

    So with a longer sales letter... get the picture?

    Once you're "caught," you're just going to scroll to the end and click "buy now" no matter what. So all you really need is to keep the prospect reading until he hits the right hook.
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin W
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Think of your sales letter as a series of hooks.

      Each of them has a chance of "catching" your prospect and making him want to buy.

      With more hooks, there's a higher chance of catching anything that drags past them.

      So with a longer sales letter... get the picture?

      Once you're "caught," you're just going to scroll to the end and click "buy now" no matter what. So all you really need is to keep the prospect reading until he hits the right hook.
      Great explanation of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Think of your sales letter as a series of hooks.

      Each of them has a chance of "catching" your prospect and making him want to buy.

      With more hooks, there's a higher chance of catching anything that drags past them.

      So with a longer sales letter... get the picture?

      Once you're "caught," you're just going to scroll to the end and click "buy now" no matter what. So all you really need is to keep the prospect reading until he hits the right hook.
      Caliban has hit it on the head...

      I know I have mentioned this example before... But Frank Kern in one of his videos was talking about creating your sales copy for three audiences...

      Those that skim headlines...

      Those that skim bullet points...

      And those that consume every word on a page...

      Make sure each version can stand on its own as the complete sales copy... Intertwine the stories through each other...

      Long copy works, because it lets you drive the sale home for those people who love long copy...

      The headline skimmers and the bullet point skimmers should also be satisfied to buy what you are purchasing, because your sales copy addressed their questions and concerns as well...

      Target three audiences in your copy to sell to people in all three audiences...

      I agree with this philosophy and have used it on my own websites...

      For my websites, long copy has always sold better than short copy...
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    • Video sales copy seems to be the norm these days. It is way more enticing and you get to throw a personal touch to give the customer a feeling of comfort. Long sales copy is just too out dated and conversion rates are drastically better using video.
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  • Profile picture of the author JOSEPHRAJ
    Wow! great explanation of long sales pages!

    Now, I got the idea why people have long sales pages.

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
    The higher priced items, tend to have longer sales letters. This is done to better explain what the product is and what benefits it can offer the person, who might possibly purchase. They need a longer sales letter to persuade and do more convincing.

    Now on the other hand, many use a combo of video and a traditional sales letter and pull some good numbers. Never rely 100% on others methods, test for yourself and get your own numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author MilesT
    Framing your long copy is critical to its success, but the real 'hook' is in the bullets. While people tend to scan text/headlines, they tend to read bullets. Hot, juicy bullets are key to higher conversions. Most people just need the ONE bullet they are looking for to buy the product. If you go to an Eban Pagan sales page you'll see list after list of bullets, because they work (if you know how to write them). I try to get 50-100 bullets for a sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author JOSEPHRAJ
    It has become a good topic here. Nice to see contrary views.

    Thanks for those replied.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    This could be the case here.

    I would also encourage you to collect your visitors email and name so that you have the option to follow up with them over and over again about your product.

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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    OK back in 2004 a friend did an experiment with sales pages.

    A. Short copy - as in product pic and a price
    B. Medium copy - Short desc, product pic, and price
    C. Long copy - Long desc, many product pics, infographics on how to use, and price.
    D. Very long copy - pages of copy, lots of links to other pages, lot of pics, and price.

    To make a long story SHORT (pun). B or medium copy had the highest conversion. It was 6%. Next was A or short with 3%. Then came C or Long copy at one percent conversion.

    WORST was D or very long copy. It had less than one half of a percent conversion. People drown with too much information thrown at em. Keep the choices down, and present three compelling reasons to buy your product, not seven.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Length for the sake of length, in videos or sales letters, is meaningless.

      You simply have to provide enough information to establish in the buyer's mind that the value of your product is higher than the value of the open-to-buy on his credit card.

      Depending on a multitude of factors, this can change from market to market, offer to offer and even from buyer to buyer.

      Just for the sake of discussion, let's take a product many of us are quite familiar with - beer.

      Do you go after the "tastes great" crowd, or the "less filling" crowd?

      IMO, you go after both. That might double the length of your sales letter/video, but you also have a shot at both market segments.

      It's the same with other products. You cover all of the important bases, because unless you are going to customize the landing page for every traffic source, you can't be sure what is important to an individual.

      As far as using a launch sequence, even Jeff Walker admits that the process is essentially a long form sales letter spread out over time.

      Bill mentioned Kern teaching that you write for three audiences, something Kern learned from one of the old masters...

      I don't know if he's still doing it, and I haven't seen anyone else doing it, so it may no longer work, but Alex Mandossian (I think) used to put a menu at the top of his sales letter for one of his courses pointing to places in the letter that addressed what his testing told him were the common hot buttons - all except the price. You still had to scroll through his subheads and bullets to find that.

      Took the Kern model and added another layer for the truly time-challenged/ADD reader...
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  • Profile picture of the author Hans Klein
    To understand why long copy sells, it's important to understand where the phrase, "The more you tell, the more you sell" comes from.

    Remember the last time you made either a major purchase, such as a car or house, or you bought a product or service that was technical in nature... or something you did not grasp immediately.

    Chances are, you had a lot of questions for the salesperson. You spent hours... days... maybe even weeks debating the pros and cons of each possible decision.

    In other words, you wanted to hear every single argument for or against your decision. You WANTED to be sold on the right decision for you.

    Now... imagine you're in the grocery store.

    You're looking for toothpaste. You've made this purchase hundreds of times before. Moreover, you've already been pre-sold by the commercials.

    In this case, minimal copy on the bottle is needed to influence your decision. They just have to reassure you.

    Now... let's apply this to your product or service.

    Most of us DON'T sell a product like toothpaste... or have pre-sold prospects coming to our sites. But, we tend to offer product or service that the audience will not grasp right away. It requires a lot of copy. Someone to sell it to us.

    Put another way... long copy is salesmanship in print. It takes the place of an actual salesperson.

    It doesn't matter if it's in the form of a salesletter, video, or whatever format. What's important is that you have enough copy needed to persuade your prospects to invest in your product or service.

    To do this, you've got take into consideration your target customers' awareness about your product or service... competing product claims... and how YOU fit into the mix. Put more simply... imagine sitting in front of your prospect one-on-one. What do you need to say to get the sale?

    Chances are, "The more you tell, the more you sell."

    In other words, it's NOT the length of the copy that's important. It's what's IN the copy that sells.
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    • Profile picture of the author Algo
      John and Hans (right above this post) this make the points I believe are important. The length of a sales letter, sales video, or launch sequence is not the important issue.

      What is important is the content, and the reason for including each piece of it in your sales letter/video. There is no doubt that writing a long letter just because you believe the letter should be long will not work. There must be a marketing reason for everything in your letter. Adding fluff or repeating yourself will just cause people to zone out, and likely decide to leave rather than buy.

      Write enough copy so that all the points you want to hit are included, and do it in a way that is engaging to the reader, anticipates their questions and resistance points (and address them). If it comes out short or long does not matter if the copy and marketing is complete and persuasive.

      And the advice about crafting the letter so that it works for both skimmers and readers it excellent too.
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