UK Warriors, Can i put my backlink packets, wso, bfso ect ect. though my books for tax ?

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Hi guys,
Going to give my accountant my internet marketing earning to go though soon its the first time i`ve given this to him and i was just wondering what you guy put though your books ? What can i claim back ??

I have paypal receipts for backlink packets i`ve bought, monthly subscription keyword lists and monthly backlink packets, WSO, BFSO, articles i`ve have written, keyword tools and other IM tools i`ve bought.

What do you guys claim back ??

Cheers Jim
#backlink #bfso #books #ect #packets #put #tax #warriors #wso
  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    I put anything that i pay for the busiess through my accounts, backlinking, buying wsos for training etc. I claim back for anything i can
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  • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
    I agree Jim - these aren't personal purchases, if they're businesses expenses and if you can look the tax man in the eye and justify it then you should claim it back.

    The only expenses my accountant has to figure out is the ones where it's partly business and partly personal such as my electricity bill (as I work from home) but those expenses of yours seem perfectly legit to me!

    Steve.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
      Originally Posted by blogsetuplab View Post


      The only expenses my accountant has to figure out is the ones where it's partly business and partly personal such as my electricity bill (as I work from home) but those expenses of yours seem perfectly legit to me!

      Steve.
      Wow never thought about my electricity bill ! So how did your accountant work that one out ?
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      • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
        Well I think he has charts of allowable expenses so when he does the year end accounts he does some journalling and allocates some expenses under the general 'use of home' category.

        I have a dedicated business phone line so I can claim all of that back but a proportion of my home electricity, heating etc. can be claimed as a proportion of it is genuinely for business use. Same with my car - I keep a record of business mileage and HMRC allow a proportion of it to be claimed back.

        I claim all of my broadband cost as a business expense as it's on my business line but I guess you could claim the whole of it even if it wasn't - you can always say the broadband is used by the business and if you didn't have the business then you wouldn't have broadband.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Be careful!

          There's already some bad advice, above. You need a qualified accountant to advise you, not forum members.

          The specific problem which makes me hear alarm-bells relates to the question of claiming as tax-deductible a proportion of domestic bills (electricity and so on) "because you have an office at home". You can claim for that, indeed, but it can also have hugely adverse repercussions in future years when you sell the house, because the UK Capital Gains Tax exemption for "primary residences" doesn't apply the same way if you've also been using the property for non-residential purposes, and if you've previously claimed for having "an office at home", you won't be able to deny that. (This is why so many doctors who see some patients at home, for example, choose not to claim as tax-deductible the very small proportion of the domestic bills which they legitimately could).

          No offence at all to anyone, but the moral of the story is to take tax advice only from people qualified to give it, because the consequences of not quite appreciating some little twist or turn of the regulations can be very unpredictable and surprisingly expensive in the distant future. The mistakes are everywhere, just waiting to be made.
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          • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Be careful!

            There's already some bad advice, above. You need a qualified accountant to advise you, not forum members.
            Jim did mention he had an accountant so he's probably getting advised about the pitfalls.

            The way I understood it from my accountant was it makes a difference if part of your home is used exclusively for business. If you're working out of a bedroom (that's still usable as a bedroom) you're probably OK but if you've converted the garage into an office or kebab shop then that's a different matter.

            So Alexa is absolutely right and the views of the warrior forum do not necessarily represent the views of HMRC and are given as general guidance but you should consult a professional advisor before making any decisions based on these forums :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Be careful!
            Alexa is right. My accountant works an allowance in for the fact I am working from home but I don't get all my domestic bills paid for. The only bills I claim entirely are my business telephone line and my internet bil as I say this are purely for my work.

            Regarding backlink packets this is a legitimate business expense although what to classify it as is confusing. I usually put stuff like that through either marketing, training or internet services. I use quickbooks so i just look at list and see what seems to describe it best, my accountant checks over it anyway for any stuff that looks out of place.
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            • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
              Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

              My accountant works an allowance in for the fact I am working from home but I don't get all my domestic bills paid for.
              I don't get all my domestic bills paid for but a small proportion is of them is lumped together under the 'use of home' figure - probably doesn't reduce my tax bill much but every little helps.

              Slightly off-topic - is anyone here VAT registered and if so how do you handle sales - do you issue a VAT invoice or use VAT cash accounting or some other way?
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Michael
            I submitted all my link services for expenses, I weren't sure about submitting my outsourced elance expenses aswell but i did, and had no questions... hmm.
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            • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
              Originally Posted by Joseph Michael View Post

              I submitted all my link services for expenses, I weren't sure about submitting my outsourced elance expenses aswell but i did, and had no questions... hmm.
              Elance should be fine - it's sub contracting so if it's definitely for business purposes I see no problem (in my opinion).
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

            Really no offence Alexa
            None taken.

            Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

            I am bewildered by every time someone wants to discuss a legal or accounting issue, someone always tells them to seek qualified advice.
            A friend of my father's got into deep water over this. He had a house with 5 "rooms" (kitchens and bathrooms and cloakrooms don't count) and worked at home and accordingly claimed 20% of his electricity and other domestic bills as tax deductible on the grounds that he was using one of the rooms "for business purposes". His house had gone up in value nearly 100% over the time that he'd lived in it, but when he sold the property some years later, he was absolutely horrified to discover that his assumption that his "primary residence", just like anyone else's, would be exempt from 40% Capital Gains Tax (as it then was), was deeply mistaken: the Inland Revenue took the view that the property couldn't be solely a residence, if he had claimed business deductions in respect of a proportion of it, and he had to pay a very big tax bill which amounted to many times the value of the small deductions he'd claimed.

            Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

            Every accountant and lawyer has a different take on things. And hiring one is also not a watertight defence if something goes wrong. Especially for IM, given that so few accountants actually know anything about it.
            Yes, this is all perfectly true, and you make a good point, Chris, as ever.

            The problem is, I think, that many people will actually depend on advice given by doubtless entirely well-meaning "forum friends", rather than following the wiser course of treating it as a small part of their "due diligence", and can as a result get a nasty shock when the birds that took flight in a forum post come home to roost - or, as I've seen it said elsewhere recently "the chickens come home to roast".

            The proportion of self-employed tax assessments forms investigated closely by the Revenue is perhaps about 15% (I'm told), but the other 85% are kept on file and can always be referred back to in future years as and when it may become appropriate to do so - quite a scary proposition, in a sense: apparently "quick and easy decisions" can all too easily have very unpleasant and entirely unforeseen future ramifications.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
    COOL thanks alot for your advice guys !
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  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    Anything is whatever way related to your business should be submitted as an expense.

    It's your accountants job to sort out what is useful and not, but anything you have used for your business should be a cost (in your case the backlinks etc are advertising costs)

    Most people give too few receipts to their accountant, I give mine everything I lay my hands on and get him to sort out what he can use (obviously sensible receipts). It takes him a few seconds to work out if it is relavent or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Can I tag my own cheeky little question onto this thread?

    I buy books from Amazon on IM topics like SEO and social networking. Do you think that such book purchases could be classed as business expenses?

    I suspect it might be okay since they're not exactly bought for entertainment purposes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Kennedy
      Originally Posted by John Henderson View Post

      Can I tag my own cheeky little question onto this thread?

      I buy books from Amazon on IM topics like SEO and social networking. Do you think that such book purchases could be classed as business expenses?

      I suspect it might be okay since they're not exactly bought for entertainment purposes.
      This is VERY hard to claim for. Generally, you will be allowed to claim for training expenses thorugh general deduction provisions however in the case of books, it is necessary to determine whether or not they directly relate to your work as an employee/business owner, wether or not you gained a significant and lasting advantage as a result of buying the said books and whether or not they directly pertain to what you have done in the past.

      I'm not saying it's impossible, but with things like books and training material it is a case by case basis.

      Note - I am an associate member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants Australia and our tax laws are nearly identical to UK tax laws except for certain specific deduction, anti-avoidance and residency provisions.
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  • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
    and let's face it we're all harking back to the days when a property's value increased over time!
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    • Profile picture of the author blogsetuplab
      Hence I expect the government will introduce a capital loss tax
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    • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      I'm not. The bubble has destroyed the hopes of a generation. There is no real reason why property should go up over time to the extent that it has done in the last decade or so.
      Not quite sure what you mean by this ?? If you think property is expensive now just wait another 10 years !!... Thats a quote from Robert Kiyosaki
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      • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
        Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

        I disagree with him. Besides, Kiyosaki is a boomer who grew rich in a period of never-before-seen property rises so I don't expect him to agree with me. He probably doesn't believe that it is a bubble or will crash. I've been saying this for 10 years.
        His fortune and skills are not just based around property, very very smart guy but maybe your smarter i dont know
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

          His fortune and skills are not just based around property
          No indeed ... certainly not.

          Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

          very very smart guy but maybe your smarter i dont know
          I trust Chris more, of the two, for sure. No comparison.
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          • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            No indeed ... certainly not.



            I trust Chris more, of the two, for sure. No comparison.
            Wow thats a big vote of trust to Chris ! But just out of interest are you saying Chris is smarter than RK or you trust him more ? and if you trust him more what has RK done that made you feel he wasnt 100% ??

            And i would think RK is close to the billionaire mark about now and thats SOME skill set he has what has Chris got you feel can out do RK ??

            Again just asking because i`m fascinated with people like RK and Chris if he is infact in that league of players
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            • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
              Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

              Hehe, no I wish I was as rich as him. I am certainly not a big league player like him.

              I don't know why Alexa trusts me more but it is probably because she knows me better than him, and only from a forum at that.

              Who would I trust more: you or some random rich guy? Probably you. I barely know you but I know more about and of you compared to the rich dude.


              Interestingly, I read his famous book and really liked it. He became a bit of a hero to me. Then I heard all sorts of controversy about him. That the story about the lemonade stand or whatever might even be fake! I know that controversy follows the rich and famous wherever they go but also, where there is smoke there is usually also fire.....
              Nice answer your a gentleman !

              You know i`ve enjoyed reading about the rich since i was very young i have read the biographys of all the greats, Ford, Rockefeller, Aristotle Onassis, Branson, Getty and i just get the feeling that RK with that skill set he has could keep up with them all i really really admire him, yes i know hes very commercial now but thats also paying huge but anyway i really like him and back to the property i`m sure you know that markets go up, down and side ways always have always will, property prices will go up again and they will come down but with the state of immigration and other modern problems we face i really cannot see anything but higher property prices in the not so distant future.
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  • Profile picture of the author DannyO
    You'll need to keep good records of your transactions in case the tax man comes knocking.

    If you are earning over £70K over a year (revenue) you'll need to VAT register I believe, moreover, if your earning over that figure it may be wise to investigate forming a company rather than keeping self employed status since you'll be able to pay yourself with dividends which is much more tax efficient.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Thank you Scott! I had a funny feeling that my question wasn't going to get a straight-forward "yeah, sure"...
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  • Profile picture of the author TPFLegionaire
    Funny the op mentioned that....

    I am just in the process of hiring an accountant and all the questions and answers above have been mentioned...And you know what, that is precisely why I am hiring the accountant.

    I have been given a big spreadsheet by him to fill with all my expenses and income ...and he will figure out what's what and the how to....

    I mean just dump the books on your accountant , if he has any questions he will ask...I told mine that the primary goal is to keep my business out of trouble with the tax people and other regulator , no gray areas to be exploited and I expect his advice to align with my wishes...

    Let your accountant do it's job
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  • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for the great replys you have given me on my post. Yes i do already have a accountant i have other business with retail and property, I posted this so i could get a quick heads up before i called my accountant today just so i could have a basic idea of the questions to shoot at him.

    So to the question about the electric bills he actually said not to try for this because it would class my home as a business property and i would then have to pay business rates which i realy dont need.

    And as to the question about books ect ect he said that anything that helps me make a sale is good to go so as for books, WSO, ect ect.. he will be submitting everything.

    Now of course this is just MY accountants veiw of things but just thought i`d make the post.

    Jim
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    I notice people talking about going offshore. I have some experience with this. The HMRC does not like companies setup offshore to derive profits in a cheaper tax zone. The way they usually try to catch people out is through 'transfer pricing'. I.e. you setup uk company and have a offshore company invoice your UK company. Some people get a little carried away with their invoicing and try to elimiate all profit from Uk company so they derive profit in a cheaper tax zone.

    I have heard some stories where companies have been doing this type of setup legititimately according to guideline but still run a foul of HMRC. The advice I got was that any time you go offshore you always run a risk of getting in trouble even if you take care to follow all the rules. This is why people will setup another company to act as HQ in a place like hong kong so they can bump their money over there to protect it from any seizures.

    There are so many different ways to setup offshore it is bamboozling and there are lots of possible risks. Just a word to the wise, always look before you leap.
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