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What do you give more weight, low competition or intitle?

by Fking
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When you scan through list of keywords, what's more important for you, the raw count of the sites for the quoted search of the keyword or the ones actually having it in the title?
Of course they should be read together, but lets ask like that, by which one you prefer to sort your list?


Also sometimes you get bigger number for the intitle count then there are sites all together. I guess that's a google glitch, but how do you estimate it then?
#competition #give #intitle #low #weight
  • Profile picture of the author Odhinn
    For me, it's about the number of competitors that actually matter, so it's intitle competition for me. It does me no good to be #1 on page 2, and if there are a lot of intitle competitors, that tells me that I'll have more difficulty breaking into page one territory, regardless of total competitors. Like you said, though, both matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Odhinn View Post

      For me, it's about the number of competitors that actually matter
      To me, the number of competitors doesn't matter at all. I'd rather "compete" with 12,000,000 others if the quality of the first-page listings is such that I see I can easily beat them, than compete with 1,200 competitors if the top few listings are age-old authority sites with a million backlinks, because I know I can never overtake those. The quality of my competitors therefore means everything to me in selecting a niche, but I have no interest at all in the number of potential competitors. I'm competing with only the top 5 of them anyway: it makes no difference to me whether those top 5 are followed by 1,195 others or 1,999,995 others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronny Kibet
    Well i look at the intitle actually since if somebody types on google weight loss for example and the first result has that he/she will def click on that. but if something like this appears;

    people's health portal
    blahblahblah weight loss blahblah

    nobody might click it and it would be hard to rank well on search engine.
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  • Profile picture of the author VeitSchenk
    I give very little regard to either of those.

    (un)Fortunately, you'll have to look at the top 10 and see what they're doing on
    their sites. If you see a bunch of categories with related keywords, and tons of posts for each of those categories, then you know they know their SEO.

    And often enough you'll find those 800lb SEO gorillas for keywords that have ridiculously low allintitle/allinwhatever.

    And on the other hand, often enough you'll find KW with allineverything above a million, then you have a look and it's just a bunch of amateurs you'll be competing with.

    So, forget about all of these (seriously) allinxxxx measures and start looking at what the top 10 are doing in terms of sitestructure and anchor text that's coming back in their backlinks.
    then make a decision

    more work than just looking at a few simple numbers, but hey, I'm happy, the more people buy into those allinxxxx-myths, the better for the rest of us who make the effort and have a real, in-depth look

    all the best

    Veit

    PS: ok, example:

    do research on "body building tips". SEOC: 80700, SEOTC: 15400.
    Should be relatively easy, right?
    go and check out the #1... have fun bumping that guy...
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    • Profile picture of the author warrior-of-light
      Dont get carried away with either. There are so many ways to beat the SEO game. If u spend a few weeks really concentrating on SEO and learn from fellow warriors, u'll end up in the top 1% of the game no doubt, and whne you do, u realize there are 100s of other ways to get serp.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fking
    i can't agree more, but when do you have a big list to sort out through, you need a guide right? Checking the top 10 for every potential keyword could be unapplicable in quite few cases.

    So, i wasn't saying that the competition and intitle count should be your only metric to decide upon, it could be just a green or red light for the next step...

    So having that cleared out, what are your methods of sorting out some of the keywords without manaully checking the top 10 for each of them?


    p.s.
    And lets be honest, not always, but most of the time, lots of competing sites means and tougher competition at the top as well. Statistically, the chances to have tougher guys at the top are bigger when the pool is bigger. At least that's been my experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Fking View Post

      what are your methods of sorting out some of the keywords without manaully checking the top 10 for each of them?
      I check the top 5, really, not the top 10. More or less manually.

      Originally Posted by Fking View Post

      not always, but most of the time, lots of competing sites means and tougher competition at the top as well.
      Yes, quite often, I agree with this. But I'd honestly never judge whether to go for a keyword by the number of competitors.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Here's a couple of things to keep in mind...

        > To get the first page, all you have to beat out is one competitor, not all ten.

        > Once you have your site in front of a pair of live eyeballs, as opposed to a spider, you have a chance to pick up the click by having a more appealing title and description.

        In the course of doing the research, I've come across countless SERPs where the top several listings tell me nothing about the subject I'm researching, while the ones a few notches down tell me they're about the subject of my search.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Lange
    Originally Posted by Fking View Post

    When you scan through list of keywords, what's more important for you, the raw count of the sites for the quoted search of the keyword or the ones actually having it in the title?
    Of course they should be read together, but lets ask like that, by which one you prefer to sort your list?


    Also sometimes you get bigger number for the intitle count then there are sites all together. I guess that's a google glitch, but how do you estimate it then?
    I always give more importance to intitle. The funny thing is though that sometimes intitle yields what appears to be insurmountable odds and yet at times I make more money with that niche than others...go figure:confused:
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