Quit your job in 30 days Really?

14 years ago

You're right - it's mostly BS and they should not be able to get away with it.

It's like saying - read this book all about brain surgery and you'll know everything you need to in order to create a 7 figure income operating on people.

Giving you information is never going to guarantee any results and if it's not illegal to what they say - it should be.

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JayXtreme 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Giving you information is never going to guarantee any results and if it's not illegal to what they say - it should be.

This.

It's one of those things that would be murder to police, and/or regulate... but it should be illegal all the same.
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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Hi Paul,

The first two "promises" could be true, and a lot of legitimate marketers mean it when they say such things. If they say "for only 3 more hours", then it's best of they include a time, and time zone, so there is no confusion. After all, there's no way to know when people will open their e-mails.

If I limit quantities, I stick to my guns. No questions.

Now, the third point is where we agree whole-heartedly. There really isn't any way that a seller can know what a person's current financial situation is. However, there are systems that can deifinitely point you in the right direction. But a 30-day-quit-your-job guarantee is trouble.

All the best,
Michael

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flipfl0p 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

There really isn't any way that a seller can know what a person's current financial situation is.

Yup, I second to this. To add it also depends on the country....

Here in the Philippines most people gets $350 USD in 1 month (average salary). We're happy for it ,inlcuding me when I was 18 and now I'm 23 and been promoted a couple of times. $350 is equivalent to 18,000 pesos and it can support 1 whole family. Giving them food to eat 3 times a day plus rent, electricity and almost all the basic needs. For single workers it's luxury.

When converted it is $2 (per hour) x 8 (hours a day) x 22 (days a month) = $352 Good enough for most.

If that email can give us $3-4 an hour then an averagely paid filipino might think to quit his day job. But if your in the UK or US and your having this "$3-4" hourly salary...... Then Goodluck ^^,

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Johnny12345

14 years ago

The new FTC rules state that you cannot claim how much your customers will make -- unless what you're claiming is the "typical result."

So a lot of Internet marketers are probably crossing that line.

But it's a BIG risk to take. The last thing you want to do is get on the Federal Trade Commission's radar.

So if you see things like unrealistic claims, a lot of hyped-up copy, heavy fake scarcity, suspect testimonials, high-pressure tactics, and a lack of any real proof... there's a good chance it's a scam.

The crazy thing is... if they had a good product and truthful copy, they could appeal to a wider market, avoid the legal risks, and actually make more money.

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NicoleBeckett

14 years ago

It's emails like those that give all of IM a bad name. Or, it gives people in other industries a reason to think that IM is not a "real" job. There are far too many people out there pretending to be experts and trying to convince people that they can sit back, basically do nothing, and get rich off it - when, in reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, IMers have to work a whole lot harder. After all, if you're on salary at some company somewhere, and you spend 30 minutes chit-chatting in the break room, you haven't lost a dime. However, if an IMer spends 30 minutes chit-chatting, he could have just missed out on a great opportunity, or another way to boost his site, or another way to establish himself as an expert. Whether the "gurus" want to admit it or not, in IM, time is money!

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dk1 14 years ago

Internet marketers are not to be confused with spammers/scammers who are looking to make a quick buck or 2
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- JohnMcCabe 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Gary King
  
  Not really Michael. They can quit their job whenever they want.
  
  Being able to eat may be another story.
  
  Gary, that dolphin must be telepathic. My fish was going to say the same thing! :p
  
  "Buy this product and you'll be able to quit your job in 30 days. In 60 days, your reefer and pantry will be empty. In 90, your lights will go out. In 120, you'll have a fantastic, rustic lifestyle - living in a freezer carton, warming half-eaten gourmet meals over an open fire, part of a free and independent community of individuals who have said goodbye to the system. This community is located in the weeds behind the Home Depot, is often heavily dependent on alcohol, drugs, soup kitchens, missions and petty thievery. But by God, they aren't wage slaves anymore..."
  
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skibbz 14 years ago

Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett

It's emails like those that give all of IM a bad name. Or, it gives people in other industries a reason to think that IM is not a "real" job

Thats so true, these scammers give IM a bad name. many people I know in other industries look at IM as a ponzi scheme not a real job.
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- WebPen 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by skibbz
  
  Thats so true, these scammers give IM a bad name. many people I know in other industries look at IM as a ponzi scheme not a real job.
  
  In a weird way, I'm not too sad about that.
  
  If everyone knew that IM is legit (or at least can be legit) and how much money you could make in it, a lot more people would be jumping in.
  
  Maybe its better that the whole "make money on the Internet" thing seem like a scam.
  
  Less competition = more money for us warriors, right?
  
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Paul Burr

14 years ago

Thank All of You for the replys! I want to clear up one statement, I was being sarcastic about the 3 hrs it was really something like first 50 copies only then gone forever and simiiar. MY problem is I buy into this because it is so
psychologicaly stressful to think I will miss out on what Im tring to achive that I will buy it. I want to believe it so bad, then to find out most NOT ALL but most are just not true thanks again Paul

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Gary King

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

But a 30-day-quit-your-job guarantee is trouble.

All the best,
Michael

Not really Michael. They can quit their job whenever they want.

Being able to eat may be another story.

Originally Posted by Paul Burr

MY problem is I buy into this because it is so
psychologicaly stressful to think I will miss out on what Im tring to achive that I will buy it. I want to believe it so bad...

Not saying it's right Paul, but this is why they do it. The psychological trigger is a strong one for many.

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King Shiloh

Banned 14 years ago

The person that is promising you does not know you physically so there's no way you can be so sure that the promises will work out for you.

However, it may work out for some people if the person making the promise is really genuine.

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Scott Voss

14 years ago

Here is my absolutely free, no-opt in, 100% guaranteed, step-by-step guide to quitting your job in less than 5 minutes:

Step 1: Using a pen, pencil, crayon or even a burnt stick, write the following on a piece of paper: "I quit, <<INSERT YOUR NAME>>"

Step 2: Walk up to your boss and hand him or her your note

CONGRATULATIONS, you have just quit your job!!

See, that is really easy to promise

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wpiercy

14 years ago

I love it when people who are in the business of selling, complain about other people who are in the business of selling. Better than that, I love it when they are surprised by their tactics.

It is funny to me, we all know whats going on here, so please don't act surprised or shocked. If you do you are just showing your ignorance of how wide the pendulum really swings.

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by wpiercy

I love it when people who are in the business of selling, complain about other people who are in the business of selling. Better than that, I love it when they are surprised by their tactics.

It is funny to me, we all know whats going on here, so please don't act surprised or shocked. If you do you are just showing your ignorance of how wide the pendulum really swings.

I'm surprised it took until post #21 in the thread for someone to trot out the old 'marketers whining about marketing' saw...

I'd hardly say I'm shocked or surprised by idiotic claims made by some marketers. That doesn't mean I have to approve of using those claims. And it doesn't mean I shouldn't voice my disapproval if the spirit moves me.

No, I'm not going to stop that person from making stupid claims, nor are they likely to read my golden words and suddenly get religion. But if enough people disapprove often enough, it might steer a few newbies away from the dark side...

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Will Edwards

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Scott Voss

Here is my absolutely free, no-opt in, 100% guaranteed, step-by-step guide to quitting your job in less than 5 minutes:

Step 1: Using a pen, pencil, crayon or even a burnt stick, write the following on a piece of paper: "I quit, <<INSERT YOUR NAME>>"

Step 2: Walk up to your boss and hand him or her your note

CONGRATULATIONS, you have just quit your job!!

See, that is really easy to promise

Wow - where do I send the $7?

Will

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CanuckWarrior

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Burr

I keep getting emails from marketers that all say the 3 same thing 1) you need to get this offer today the price will go up in three hrs Better hurry. 2) only 3 left then gone forever!!! 3) quit your job in 30 days or less Guaranteed WOW. I HAVE YET TO FIND ANY OF THIS TO BE TRUE HOW CAN EVERYONE CLAIM THIS AND GET AWAY WITH IT . Are ther no regulations on Lying to people just to sell infomation?

Run, don't walk away from false scarcity BS. :rolleyes:

Think about it. How many products came out in 2009 with the exact same promise? In 2008? In 2010? etc.

Reality check ... THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET !!!!

Who cares if it's gone for good. If it's not evergreen in it's approach it will be gone for good soon enough, whether you buy it or not.

If it is an evergreen approach it will still be there when the so-called product shuts its doors forever ... blah, blah.

Yes, you CAN replace your income in 30 days (depending on your current level of income). But the reality is unless you get it all right and don't make ANY mistakes, 30 days is pretty risky when you're starting from zero.

I think a more realistic goal is 90 days to 6 months provided you have a good proven plan and are willing to do a ton of hard work.

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MrWhistler

14 years ago

Funny thing is, you go back to the same page 3 months later and you realise that there are still 3 copies left, and that the price goes up the next day.

People will say anything to get you to click. It's what they teach in IM. The so-called power words.

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good2go4

14 years ago

The strange thing is that although we all agree that these really over the top claims are wrong and should not be used, the bottom line is that when you are selling something, especially online it seems, you have to make those claims to be noticed.

I posted my first WSO yesterday and it sank like a stone - there could have been a lot of reasons for that - maybe my copy was bad, no reviews (I wanted honest ones so offered review copies) maybe I haven't built up a good enough reputation yet, or maybe it was just a rotton product - but I was watching another wso on the site who sold over 100 copies in 24 hours - I think that is great for him, don't get me wrong, but yes it was really cheap and it made claims that could be true - but I can't offer that with my course - I am promoting setting up a business, not making some quick money.

So how does one get a solid ordinary but workable business plan in front of the masses and make it sexy enough for people to look at it seriously without making huge maybe true headlines?

My 2 cents
Lisa

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ThelemaqueTip

14 years ago

Yes..You Can Quit your JOB in 30 days, but it take a lot of time and effort some days you probably loose sleep. that's why a lot of people never succeed in it

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Fazal Mayar 14 years ago

It can be true but 95% of the time it's not. Any internet marketer has to create catch titles for it's promotions or it won't drive interest, it's just common sense. Earning online is a slow process my friend, sometime it takes up to 1 year before seeing any kind of results. Earning online= patience, and this is the reason why most people don't make money online because they don't have patience.
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petevamp 14 years ago

The truth is this tactic has been done since the first infomercial. Have you ever stayed up late at night just to see what bs is being offered in the infomercials. I know I have and you know what they all do the same thing. They claim instant results for any one. Here is the problem though. It is just like internet marketing. You have a few who make it and the only reason why is because they actually put the knowledge that was given to them to use. So I am sure it is not entirely bs for the course is probably really good. Although it will do many no good at al because they will never actually put any of the information provided in the course to the test to really find out if it works or not.

If I can get a site to rank with in the first 3 results in less then 2 weeks. How is it not possible. You just have to have a strategy to do so. However the strategy does not good if you just site back and think about doing it. You have to actually get up off you a-- and do it. Internet marketing is easy but you have to use the information that is given to you. Yea you may have had to pay a little bit of money for it. Although you have to try it in order to disregard it as being a scam.

I personally have one site that says you can make 3-400$ month in as little as 30 days. However my little twist to it is I sell them a 8.95 package. After they have tried it for 30 days the price to renew goes up to 100. However I give that right back to them as a bonus on the first check they make. The problem is as I said most people will buy the package take some of the training and never put any of it to use. So it really isn't the marketers fault it is the buyers fault for not putting the training to use. Even though it is set up that they can contact me after they have completed each section one at a time so I can review what they have done and tell them how to improve it some.
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PaulaC

14 years ago

Anyway can provide a guarantee. All it means is that in 30 days if you haven't quit your job (and most people won't have) they will give you your money back. What they are hoping for is that by the time the 30 days is up, you will have forgotten about it all and will forget to get your refund. So they are going for the numbers.

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Harold Lindsey

14 years ago

Super IM marketer Jason Fladlien, has a fantastic blog that goes over some of the worst practices of Internet Marketing, and he goes on to talk about in detail, some of the scam / offers that we see every day.

Here are some of the highlights from his blog:

Stay Away From These Products…

Rule #1 – If it’s blind, don’t buy it

Rule #2 – If it promises a “loophole” or “automation” be very careful.

Rule #3 – The Upsell Tidal Wave

Rule #4 – Support! (Or Lack Thereof!)

Let’s bring this home.. (I will not get anything out of this recommendation, nor does Jason even know that I'm recommending one of his blogs.)

It is truly that powerful and insightful - a must read for every internet marketer.

If you want to take a look at his blog, you can go here:

Stay Away From These Products… | Jason Fladlien's Blog

Harold

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Alexis Wilke

14 years ago

PaulC,

What warranty?! Who sends money back to their customers? I'm not so sure that such Internet Marketers do that much if at all. Of course, the good marketers must, but these puny marketers, I most often hear about people who could not get their money back (often it's terribly difficult even to get in contact with anyone!)

And yes, making non-backed up claims in any ad has been forbidden for ages... Not too sure that anyone could control anything like that on the Internet though. 8-)

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Brock Henry 14 years ago

This thread addresses one of the things...if not the thing...that irks me more than most. It is near-nauseating to me to get mailing after mailing from everyone under the sun, all of them using the same psycho-babble to drive quick traffic.

My general philosophy is that if your content is quality and it actually does what it claims to do, you don't have to over-sell. In fact, once you establish a reputation for over-delivering every time, you really won't have to do much selling at all. People will be waiting for what you have next.

As a result, I think it's fairly safe to say that most of the time you find someone using fake scarcity tactics and exaggerated claims, they don't have the goods to back to it up in the first place.

Think about it...when a teenage boy approaches a girl to ask her out, what kind of approach works best? The emotional begging, "You just HAVE to go out with me...and it has to be TONIGHT. If you don't, I think my life will be ruined!" Or is it the calm, assured (but not cocky) approach of simply asking her out with the vibe that says, "I would love to take you out soon. I think we'd have a great time together."

People might fall for your fluff once, but that's about it. If you plan to make a career out of IM, over-hyping is a death sentence.

As CanuckWarrior said earlier in the thread, run, don't walk away from that stuff when you see it.
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TycoonRob

14 years ago

I've been laid off for 30 days and I'm not making a full-time income yet. I've made some money, sure, but nothing near what I need to replace my income. Still, gotta work the plan. Will take time, though, unless you're really lucky.

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