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14 years ago

Woohoo its my 24th post!!! No really, I totally agree. GET TO F@#$@$ work and stop posting on the WF, and celebrating that you have no life guys. Bill is totally right

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VanessaB 14 years ago

Now, I REALLY like the idea of celebrating thanks instead of 'posts.' Bill, awesome suggestion. I never thought of that. Simply beautiful.

-Dani

P.S. Watch the Dr Dre dude. He's shifty.
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mattlaclear

14 years ago

I agree with almost everything you shared Bill. But the part about how busy people just do not have time to post regularly here on the forum. My day from morning to nightfall is filled with running seo campaigns for my clients. But I still find time at the end of the day to do a few posts. Just because a person is active on a forum does not mean they are not active in their business.

As far as the big fish in a little pond goes I agree with you 100% of the way. Guy was obviously a king sized twit.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mattlaclear

I agree with almost everything you shared Bill. But the part about how busy people just do not have time to post regularly here on the forum. My day from morning to nightfall is filled with running seo campaigns for my clients. But I still find time at the end of the day to do a few posts. Just because a person is active on a forum does not mean they are not active in their business.

Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq

EDIT: I do want to point out that it is not always true that a person who posts very frequently doesn't have a successful business. I spend a ton of time on the forum and still make a full time income online (Outsourcing FTW

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I agree that maybe I overplayed that hand...

But the general principle does apply...

I spend about 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes in the evening browsing the WF to see if there is anything I can answer...

Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq

You will be hated by many for this thread but it actually does make sense LOL

Mohammad: More accurately, I will be hated by many... LOL

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Bill Farnham

14 years ago

Bill,

I'm actually glad you made this post because I had been wondering why your post count was reletively low compared to your years here yet your interactions with other Warriors, myself included, have been many. Now I understand.

Hopefully you won't encounter any more 'big fish' here that need to treat you that way in the future.

~Bill

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bill Farnham

Bill,

I'm actually glad you made this post because I had been wondering why your post count was reletively low compared to your years here yet your interactins with other Warriors, myself included, have been many. Now I understand.

Hopefully you won't encounter any more 'big fish' here that need to treat you that way in the future.

~Bill

Bill, I appreciate your post... I have never had a problem with Big Fish at the WF.... Not yet anyway...

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oneplusone 14 years ago

Congratulations on your 873rd post

I've always enjoyed reading your thoughts/opinions on here.
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Mohammad Afaq

14 years ago

You will be hated by many for this thread but it actually does make sense LOL

EDIT: I do want to point out that it is not always true that a person who posts very frequently doesn't have a successful business. I spend a ton of time on the forum and still make a full time income online (Outsourcing FTW

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Alfred Shelver

14 years ago

I am a bit of a WF statistical geek, I always look at how many posts people have, how many thanks and how long they have been here etc. At first it was a way I could judge in the most rudementary way possible who I could trust so to speak (before I get lambasted about post count being a poor judge of value etc ... I know but for a newbie it is all we have and its better than nothing)

TPW I believe you should have more posts on here, the forum would be a better place for it.

I am really glad you are more active than you were your posts are great.

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Will Edwards

14 years ago

Congrats Bill - you'll soon be up to 900!

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raviv

14 years ago

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

It is true that the quality of posts matter than the quantity of posts. If I can help someone genuinely with a solution to his/her problem, that is more satisfying than anything.

I have in my short sojourn here at WF found that people who asked those questions in the first place have not responded or maybe not even gone back to check the thread they initiated. All of us humans are different in nature so we cannot expect everyone to thank each other. But at the end of the day, a note of thanks does make you feel very good.

Nice post and something different too!
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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Congrats on #873...

And just for the record, sir, I am not a Big Fish...I'm holding a Big Fish!

Took me almost 4 years to reach 4,000 so I thought I'd offer a goodie to celebrate folks letting me hang around that long. I was going to do something at 3,000 but I blew right past that one without slowing down.

Keep 'em coming, my friend. You'll be at 900 before you know it...

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Congrats on #873...

And just for the record, sir, I am not a Big Fish...I'm holding a Big Fish!

Took me almost 4 years to reach 4,000 so I thought I'd offer a goodie to celebrate folks letting me hang around that long. I was going to do something at 3,000 but I blew right past that one without slowing down.

Keep 'em coming, my friend. You'll be at 900 before you know it...

I thought the big fish was holding you... I thought that was what you said the other day...

4,000 in 4 years... That is what? About 3 per day... That does not look like fish (er... flash) in the pan to me... LOL

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sanssecret 14 years ago

Okay, so where's the freebie you're giving away to celebrate? :p

I don't actually think there'll be that many who will hate you Bill. Rest easy on that one. You might not drop in here as often as we would like, but you more than make up in quality what you lack in quantity.
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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Personally, I don't know anyone who gets a high post count from "me too" posts because they are banned long before they accrue any amount of posts.

It makes no difference whether or not you have high or low post count. The quality of the responses is all that matters. If you have the time to post, and it really doesn't take that much time to respond to threads, as long as you're not trying to write a novel ... then post.

Only the poster can determine whether or not the time spent is worth it to his business or if he is wasting time that could be better spent doing something else.

In addition, being someone who works with my two dogs by my side all day, directing and supervising all my activities, I like to read the forum and get ideas from human beings .... don't get me wrong. I love the dogs, but they're not always right.

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Caleb Spilchen

14 years ago

Bill,

Where I agree with you on the "me too" and the "Thanks for the info" posts being junk. I don't think it's wrong for a member to celebrate there 500th post, if they are a contributor, and to offer something to the members of the forum, in order to keep helping them and keep contributing.

The me too and the Thanks for the info are for the DP, not for here at the Warrior Forum... Suzanne is right, people who always say "me too" get banned much before they reach milestones. I wish people wouldn't post for sigs either, again.. not dp.

Cheers Bill

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Tina Golden

14 years ago

Bill,

I read this post last night but waited until today to respond so I could try to sort out my thoughts on this. I agree with some of your points as post count doesn't necessarily mean that someone is smarter or more successful than another. However, you seem to feel it's silly to celebrate these milestones and I disagree with that.

The celebrations are not truly celebrations of being able to post a lot, or at least not for most people. I believe it's celebrating being a part of a great community and post count is the easiest way to have a milestone. People have also done celebratory posts for anniversaries of their time spent here but it's just tradition to do the post count thing.

I don't see any more value in having a high thanks count. I can think of more than one member who has a pretty high thanks count that I personally think are among the most useless, non-contributing members here. But they have followers who come along and thank them constantly for selling them yet another product. Or they tell their followers explicitly to go thank their posts - do those count as true thanks? Not in my book.

I also think that it is laudable for those celebrating to offer a free gift or some shared wisdom - it's part of giving back to the community. And yes, there are those who do this to gain attention or visibility but the majority do it out of love for this community.

With all its current woes and warts, this forum is the best community on the web for internet marketing. Some of us take pride in being a part of that. And I don't see anything wrong with that.

Tina

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

The celebrations are not truly celebrations of being able to post a lot, or at least not for most people. I believe it's celebrating being a part of a great community and post count is the easiest way to have a milestone. People have also done celebratory posts for anniversaries of their time spent here but it's just tradition to do the post count thing.

Tina

My sentiments exactly. Thanks Tina. It is about being a part of the community and giving back ... with the exception of the ones who are obviously using it for self promotion and it's pretty clear when that is happening.

Dennis Caskill, My Favorite Hooker McCabe, and many others have done this and it's a very nice thing to do and after coming to the forum day after day and seeing:

This sucks/That sucks
This is a scam/He is a scammer/She is a scammer
All marketers are liars and scum
Everybody is cheating everybody

Well, I have to say that I enjoy an upbeat thread for a change.

Here's another little statistic. You have so far contributed 2,322 words or 10,581 characters to this thread. That's more than I post in a week or two but I have a high post count.

I don't post one liners unless it's appropriate to do so but I am a "get to the point" type of person who normally would say what I have to say as concisely as I can say it ... If I can give someone info that they are seeking that will help them, I do, but no need to create a novel doing it. If I can point someone in the right direction, I do. If I have an opinion, I state it.

That's what forums are all about, but they are also about building a reputation and marketing, and if done the right way ... it's profitable.

Problem is ... many newbies must have read an ebook that says join a forum and start posting spam, because that's what a lot of newcomers do and they are soon gone.

Originally Posted by draede

Woohoo its my 24th post!!! No really, I totally agree. GET TO F@#$@$ work and stop posting on the WF, and celebrating that you have no life guys. Bill is totally right

And the reason for this post here is .... ?

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Here's another little statistic. You have so far contributed 2,322 words or 10,581 characters to this thread. That's more than I post in a week or two but I have a high post count.

Suzanne,

You have made some good points...

I am not of the same mind as I was when I started this thread... Call it a moderate change of heart...

And my wife agrees with you... She tells me that I talk way too much, and often say far more than I should have to say...

Bill

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Suzanne,

You have made some good points...

I am not of the same mind as I was when I started this thread... Call it a moderate change of heart...

And my wife agrees with you... She tells me that I talk way too much, and often say far more than I should have to say...

Bill

lol ... yeah ... that wasn't a criticism, by any means. Sometimes I look at some people's posts and think ... Wow ... that's almost an ebook and my pathetic little response to the thread is about 5 sentences.

And I sort of figured that you can see both sides of the coin. It is a good topic for discussion, because I've seen numerous of these "Giving Back" threads lately that were nothing but self-serving, and I'd hate to see that trend grow because the ones who do it right are a real asset to the forum.

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petevamp 14 years ago

One thing you fail to realize is that if you are here you are building your business as well. Even though I post about 20 posts a day. My days are still filled to the brim with other work. However I like to come in here and help out the others as much as I can. It took me over 2 years to make my 500th post. This was mainly because I had other things I needed to attend to first. There for I did not come in here for about a year and a half.

You also need to realize that many of the ones just coming in here and making upteen trends a day are the very ones who need help some way or another. Then they get the idea that they should finally give something back instead of taking. When most of the time the only thing they are giving back is the same things that we all already knew. Much like the one I seen the other day from a guy claiming he was sharing his strategy on click bank.

When all he did was give a very very very dim out line of what is really done. To reiterate his clickbank strategy just as he did.

1 find a product
2 buy a domin
3 write a review
4 build a page
5 drive traffic

This is all he said in his post on his click bank strategy. However we all know there is a whole heck of a lot more to it then that. So my advice to you woud be quit complaining about people trying to help others. So what if they do it for 500,1000, or even 50k post. Does it really matter to you that much that people are giving things away for what they see as an achievement. Truth of the matter is they will go further then you will because they set them selves goals like this.
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King Shiloh

Banned 14 years ago

Tina, you have just summed everything up.

As for me, I usually look out for something to celebrate everyday, no matter how insignificant it may appear to anybody else, because that's one way to remain happy in this part of the universe.

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Lance K 14 years ago

Bill, I can't believe nobody has called you out on this diabolical plan to boost your "Thanks" count. :p

Anyway, those who celebrate round number post count milestones are posers, not true marketers. Just wait until my 3,997th post and you'll see what I mean.

Seriously though, I agree (sort of). With the exception of folks like John McCabe who truly and consistently contribute value, I find those threads a little odd (yet tolerable...see below). Like anything else in life, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

And even those who do it the right way will be scrutinized by some because of those who go about it the wrong way. Even though (I believe) most people, whether they do it right or wrong, make those posts with good intentions.

As Dale Carnegie says in How To Win Friends And Influence People, a person's greatest desire is to feel important. So if someone feels the need to post a milestone thread to help validate their importance, I don't have a problem with it. As long as they're not an obnoxious fool about it.

Because, most people around here are good people and are important. It's just that we do such a good job of exposing and expelling the few (relatively) spammers, scammers, & trolls who show up. Therefore the bad apples tend to get a disproportionate amount of attention. So I'm willing to send an occasional pat on the back to someone who may go under-appreciated if they don't toot their own horn once every 1,000 posts or so.
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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by King Shiloh

As for me, I usually look out for something to celebrate everyday, no matter how insignificant it may appear to anybody else, because that's one way to remain happy in this part of the universe.

I love your outlook on life... Thank you for pointing out one more crack in my story...

Originally Posted by Lance K

Bill, I can't believe nobody has called you out on this diabolical plan to boost your "Thanks" count. :p

Me too, but you got me.

Originally Posted by Lance K

Anyway, those who celebrate round number post count milestones are posers, not true marketers. Just wait until my 3,997th post and you'll see what I mean.

Seriously though, I agree (sort of). With the exception of folks like John McCabe who truly and consistently contribute value, I find those threads a little odd (yet tolerable...see below). Like anything else in life, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

And even those who do it the right way will be scrutinized by some because of those who go about it the wrong way. Even though (I believe) most people, whether they do it right or wrong, make those posts with good intentions.

Yes, I must admit that I painted with a wider paint brush than I should have... No disrespect intended to those fine folks, whose opinions I greatly value...

Originally Posted by Lance K

As Dale Carnegie says in How To Win Friends And Influence People, a person's greatest desire is to feel important. So if someone feels the need to post a milestone thread to help validate their importance, I don't have a problem with it. As long as they're not an obnoxious fool about it.

Because, most people around here are good people and are important. It's just that we do such a good job of exposing and expelling the few (relatively) spammers, scammers, & trolls who show up. Therefore the bad apples tend to get a disproportionate amount of attention. So I'm willing to send an occasional pat on the back to someone who may go under-appreciated if they don't toot their own horn once every 1,000 posts or so.

Definitely... Everyone seeks to feel important... I am often guilty of the same...

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Debbie Songster

14 years ago

TPW
I couldn't have said it better myself

I pop in here from time to time and shake my head over the "regulars" who can afford to spend the time writing all these posts.
I'm typically too busy to spend much time in here.
I suppose its a matter of setting priorities.

Having said that I'm also grateful that some of them are here because someone has to answer the questions. The next "generation" of marketers cruises through here.
Someone has to give advice.

I've tried to help as well as time permits. It's not always possible as I keep pretty busy so once again I look at my post count and the "others" post count and wonder where they find the time...

Its still a community and I've met some wonderful people through this forum (met some read turds too)
It takes all kinds to make the world go round.

I'd hate to see newbies thinking that post count = skill and knowledge.
Not everyone here has the correct answer.

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George Wright

14 years ago

Well, darn Bill,

I was going to celebrate my 10,000th post by giving away a free iPad or the equivalent in cash to the first 100 Warriors who responded to my give away post. And sponsor the next 100 with a membership to the Super Secret "Special" War Room that only a handfull of us know about, where Allen, Paul, Kenneth, Tom and Bryan, hold 24 hour webinars each week.

Now you have shown me the error of such grandiose exhibitions. I've changed my mind. I'll celebrate my 10,000 post by spamming the Friday night chat with funny one liners instead.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

TPW
I couldn't have said it better myself

I pop in here from time to time and shake my head over the "regulars" who can afford to spend the time writing all these posts.
I'm typically too busy to spend much time in here.
I suppose its a matter of setting priorities.

Having said that I'm also grateful that some of them are here because someone has to answer the questions. The next "generation" of marketers cruises through here.
Someone has to give advice.

I've tried to help as well as time permits. It's not always possible as I keep pretty busy so once again I look at my post count and the "others" post count and wonder where they find the time...

Its still a community and I've met some wonderful people through this forum (met some read turds too)
It takes all kinds to make the world go round.

I'd hate to see newbies thinking that post count = skill and knowledge.
Not everyone here has the correct answer.

Thank you Debbie for your support...

In this thread, I have been faced with the knowledge that there are some very respectable warriors who also do this...

While the basic premise may hold some weight, there are a large number of exceptions to the rule...

Originally Posted by George Wright

Well, darn Bill,

I was going to celebrate my 10,000th post by giving away a free iPad or the equivalent in cash to the first 100 Warriors who responded to my give away post. And sponsor the next 100 with a membership to the Super Secret "Special" War Room that only a handfull of us know about, where Allen, Paul, Kenneth, Tom and Bryan, hold 24 hour webinars each week.

Now you have shown me the error of such grandiose exhibitions. I've changed my mind. I'll celebrate my 10,000 post by spamming the Friday night chat with funny one liners instead.

George Wright

George, it is a good thing that I saved you from yourself... LOL

I know it is tough to cancel those plans, but you are doing the right thing...

Your proposed night of one-liners is something that I would really enjoy, but I will have to miss out on it... Even with such a wonderful night planned, I won't be able to change my early Friday evening plans...

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Debbie Songster

14 years ago

... I'd hate to see newbies thinking that post count = skill and knowledge.
Not everyone here has the correct answer....

Except for George

He always has the right answer

... its those darn writers

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petercrouch

14 years ago

WoW
congrats for such a big total.

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MilesT

14 years ago

I think you guys are full of yourselves.

Have you ever heard of a press release?

Do you know why companies issue press releases?

One of the major reasons they do is to announce a major milestone. Now, you may call that shameless self promotion and arrogant, but its really smart marketing.

I think belittling someone for reaching a goal and then having the wherewithal to capitalize on that - is pretty shameful in itself.

And if you think self promotion is a bad thing then WHAT are you doing on WF? Seriously.

Maybe you don't understand the marketing forum model - It's not JUST a community where people can come and feel like dogooders by contributing knowledge to the little guy - its about self promotion, becoming an authority, and building alliances.

Now, its questionable if someone can position themselves as an "authority" by promoting their 1000th post, but if the post becomes a huge hit, then they will certainly achieve their goal of self brand promotion and, likely building alliances.

All positives. And if we're not here for that, why are we here?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by MilesT

I think you guys are full of yourselves.

Have you ever heard of a press release?

Do you know why companies issue press releases?

One of the major reasons they do is to announce a major milestone. Now, you may call that shameless self promotion and arrogant, but its really smart marketing.

I think belittling someone for reaching a goal and then having the wherewithal to capitalize on that - is pretty shameful in itself.

And if you think self promotion is a bad thing then WHAT are you doing on WF? Seriously.

Maybe you don't understand the marketing forum model - It's not JUST a community where people can come and feel like dogooders by contributing knowledge to the little guy - its about self promotion, becoming an authority, and building alliances.

Now, its questionable if someone can position themselves as an "authority" by promoting their 1000th post, but if the post becomes a huge hit, then they will certainly achieve their goal of self brand promotion and, likely building alliances.

All positives. And if we're not here for that, why are we here?

Don't get me wrong... I am the first to admit that I am a true media whore...

I will do almost anything to get my chance at the soapbox in front of an audience... So long as that does not include dishonesty and self-aggrandizing, I am all-in...

Although I strive not to be condescending when I step up on the soapbox, sometimes I let my alligator jaws overload my hummingbird ass... As I have clearly done here...

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BonganiS

14 years ago

Congratulations for your 873rd post. Keep it up sharing your ideas and opinions thus contributing to the success of others.

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paulie888

14 years ago

No quibbling with you here on your rant, Bill.

I'm sure you're referring to some members here who seem to think that the post count is all that matters, and it becomes painfully obvious in reading their "one-liner" posts that all they're trying to do is jack it up at any expense. Any human being with half a brain is going to see them for what they are, so why even bother? lol...it could be the ego at work as well, and that ego is reflected in their post count, which must reach dizzying heights in order for them to feel good about themselves!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by paulie888

No quibbling with you here on your rant, Bill.

I'm sure you're referring to some members here who seem to think that the post count is all that matters, and it becomes painfully obvious in reading their "one-liner" posts that all they're trying to do is jack it up at any expense. Any human being with half a brain is going to see them for what they are, so why even bother? lol...it could be the ego at work as well, and that ego is reflected in their post count, which must reach dizzying heights in order for them to feel good about themselves!

Paulie,

You have reminded me of something...

I am an avid speed chess player... While a unlimited time-limit game drives me to tears, if we put five or ten minutes on everyone's clock, I am in for game-after-game, hour-after-hour... The longest I ever spent at a chess board was 21 hours, non-stop... I guess you can call me an addict...

I lived outside my hometown for a number of years, so I was not always able to drive ten minutes across town to join the local chess club members for a few games... In fact, for many years, I could not even find a chess club in the towns where I was living...

When I first got online and discovered Yahoo Games, I was pleased to find a lot of people who advertised an interest in speed chess...

But you logged into the room, these people were advertising to play games with 15-30 seconds on the clock!!

I was confused for a time why someone would choose a time period of less than two minutes... The best chess player I had ever met in my life would not play any game with less than 90 seconds on his clock. This fellow moved to California I understand, and now he plays chess professionally, playing a tournament every weekend and earning a damn nice living doing so....

The best chess player I ever had the privilege to play would never put less than 90 seconds on his clock, yet these "online players" were looking for 30 second games...

Because no one else was willing to play a five-minute game with me, I took a couple of these guys up on their 30-second games...

Then I realized...

With my slow 14.4kb connection (or whatever it was in 1995), I realized that these guys were counting on my slow internet connection to win!!

These yo-yo's were willing to sit and wait for people with slow connections, so that they could rig the game to guarantee a win -- thereby increasing their ranking in the community...

But what good is it to have an expert level ranking, if you play the game at the level of a three year old child?

It wasn't about "earning their way", but rather it was about them cheating the game so that they could stroke their egos and perhaps other things...

I don't have a problem with people who have truly earned their reputations in the community...

If you are an expert, I want to hear from you, as often as possible...

If you have an expert rating in chess or 4,000 posts in the forum, I don't care... I am interested anyway...

However if you are a rank amateur, who has learned how to cheat better than everyone else, or a person that slaps up thousands of posts in order to create a sense of false credibility, and you don't have the skills commiserate with someone of your stature, that somehow offends my sense of right and wrong...

I actually live in a fantasy world of my own making...

I somehow believe that honesty and integrity remain admirable characteristics to possess...

I want to look up to the experts I meet in this life, be it in chess, business or Internet Marketing...

But if I find that you are a worthless bag of dog poo, and you have managed to rig the game to make yourself appear as if you are an expert that you are not, I somehow feel cheated...

Right or wrong, when I find someone who possesses fake credentials, I want to reach out and kick the bar stool from under them that is enabling them to stand head-and-shoulders above everyone in the room...

Right or wrong, I am not speaking from intentional arrogance, but I am always interested in finding ways to separate the wheat from the chaff...

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Bill, love your 873rd post. Here's hoping you make it to 1,000 before I die.

Just 2 things.

1. I agree, post count by itself means nothing. When it comes to "wasting"
time on this forum, I guess you could say I am the king

Pats myself on back.

But I'm also closing in on 5,000 thank yous. And that is no small feet.

2. The key to doing anything, and that includes posting here, is time
management. I feel that in that area, I'm one of the best. I can create
and finish a product in one 8 hour day. Have done it many times.

And still find time to make at least 10 posts a day here.

How much or how little somebody posts at a forum has nothing to do with
how successful or unsuccessful, busy or not busy a person is.

It has to do with priorities and time management.

There are days when I don't even show up here for more than a few
minutes.

Then there are days when I practically live here.

Lately, I've been spending a lot of time, believe it or not, with my daughter.
She doesn't live on campus anymore so I have to take her back and forth
to school 3 times a week. That takes a lot of time out of my day.

And I love every minute of it. Some day, she'll be out of the house for
good and I won't get this chance ever again.

To generalize and say that somebody who posts a lot on forums is not
getting work done or has no life is an unfair generalization.

Some of us can post quite a lot here and still be productive.

Others can't make more than 1 post a day without screwing their day up.

It took me, believe it or not, only 4 minutes to type all this up.

What is 4 minutes out of a day?

Think about it.
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14 years ago

Great going bud. I'm still at the hatchling stage. You're definitely a senior and could learn a lot from you. Any tips for a newbie?

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DogScout

14 years ago

I have a broken tact valve. Hence, I have almost as many posts deleted with thanks on them as ones not deleted. Some thanks are just someone that agrees with you, but is too intelligent to say it. Lol. I am sure, if I wanted, I could only make posts that I KNEW would get a thanks, or make one of those thread starters that outline a business model and get 30-100+ thanks. I never have. Nor 'celebrated a post milestone. I HAVE made posts on topics I have researched and found conflicting info that many consider 'inconvenient truths', which lowers my post to thanks ratio.

What I am getting at is, any system can be manipulated. (If you doubt that, ask Google). In the end, I think no more or less of anyone with post count or thanks ratios. Each post gets to stand on it's own merit.

I do pay more attention to certain people's posts, but not because of their counts and ratios, but because of WHAT THEY HAVE SAID in previous posts.

(What do I got... a 15% thanks ratio? A typing monkey could probably do as well.

)

With that... back to your regular scheduled program...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by DogScout

I do pay more attention to certain people's posts, but not because of their counts and ratios, but because of WHAT THEY HAVE SAID in previous posts.

(What do I got... a 15% thanks ratio? A typing monkey could probably do as well.

)

With that... back to your regular scheduled program...

I agree Mark... There are certain people whose names show up where I tell myself, I have to read that, just because the name on the post... For example, YOU!

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14 years ago

Hello,

I apologize if I need to bump on a thread where big guys play. I just want ask something and give few thanks.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

It took me, believe it or not, only 4 minutes to type all this up.
What is 4 minutes out of a day?
Think about it.

It takes me about 45 minutes to produce a good 500 word article. Then I'll wait for another 24 hours to review it again and make some final changes. But you with this ratio I need to ask one thing...

How long have you been writing and do you have any techniques aside from practice-practice-practice which you can share? Thanks...

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

I'd hate to see newbies thinking that post count = skill and knowledge.
Not everyone here has the correct answer.

Thanks for reminding... I think I need to change my ways in WF cause honestly I spend 2 hours a day sometimes 3 in this forums trying to read and learn from other great warriors. A lot of the information is fluff. They just want to sell their stuff after giving out free info's. This is where wanna be's and self proclaimed guru's takes shape.

Only few make sense and really wants to help other marketer from their heart without the urge of selling. It's just that I can only see few guys and I think I can count them with my fingers.

I just started my life in I.M. and thanks to you Bill for giving out a post like this and to other warriors who actually makes a lot of sense waking up newbies and other warriors in their dillusional state.

Thanks,
Rayson

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Richard Van 14 years ago

Bill,

I'll admit I'm first to panic I've made too many posts since I've joined but if you look there's no silly one line "oooh great post" comments, all honest replies. Having said that a lot of the guys here do this and give away some really good stuff out of their own pockets, it helps people so thats got to be good. I see you're having a minor change of heart since you wrote it (couple of beers perhaps) and even your wifes waded in, that always chills a man out.

I personally have no intention of doing a 500/5000 etc post celebrations, I'm here to make contacts with other like minded marketers and help people if and where I can. Since I've been here I've been amazed at how open and decent people have been. ExRat sat on Skype for an hour and a half to help me out, you've been a diamond Bill and so many others have been an inspiration (Dogscout, snap crackle and pop, Caleb 15 Spilchen and Mr Wagenheim to name just a few). I've decided, thanks to your great idea, to copy your plan and do the thanks post give away (when and if I get there). It means more and, well, you'll probably get a bunch more thanks!

Either way this is a great post (oops I said it) and it's great to see so many people wading in and joining in. I personally have the forum on all day, I like working for 30 minutes then spending ten on here, over and over. I get work done and enjoy the forum at the same time.

Now Bill, where's all the free s***?
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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rayson14

It takes me about 45 minutes to produce a good 500 word article. Then I'll wait for another 24 hours to review it again and make some final changes. But you with this ratio I need to ask one thing...

How long have you been writing and do you have any techniques aside from practice-practice-practice which you can share? Thanks...

I have been writing since I was 10. Maybe even earlier. Wrote short stories,
plays, poetry, been writing songs for over 30 years, you name it I've written
it. Wrote a soap for the University of Miami (had an in there through my dad)
and have even written 23 episodes for a proposed TV sitcom.

I have no tips other than to read books on how to write correctly for
whatever medium you're shooting for and like you said, practice, practice,
practice.

There is no magic bullet. There is no quick way to become a good writer
that I know of.

Sorry for the no BS reply.

But we need more of that in this "dollar bills falling from the sky" world.

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Bill, you are right on the money (mostly). For the past few weeks, I have been debating whether or not to celebrate my 5,000th post, or 2,000th thank you. Now that you've posted this thread, my idea of waiting for #2,000 won't seem so original <shakes fist at Bill>.

That being said, there is another point that was sort of brought up here, but I will make it a bit more apparent. If somebody is posting to learn, help or otherwise contribute, then they can make 100 posts a day for all I care. But, if they are only looking at increasing their post count, then 1 post is usually too many.

All the best,
Michael

p.s. I wonder if I will hit 5,000 posts or 2,000 thanks first.

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Bill Farnham 14 years ago

In one sense the 'Thanks' count can be very revealing when taken as a whole. For instance, if you look at a good many of the folks in this thread alone, the OP being a classic example, you see they are very generous when it comes to hitting the 'Thanks button'. Far more given than received.

Others, like myself, moderate givers, and if you looked at the membership in general you will even find people with many thanks yet few given out.

If we're going to be celebrating 'Thanks' we should be celebrating those that are generous as well as those that are happy to receive them.

It's a two way street.

Just food for thought...

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dv8domainsDotCom

14 years ago

This is spot on! Being relatively new here, I am the "small fish", but I realize that this only means that I have not really "contributed" in the forum's eyes, which I think was mr.8900 post's idea of warranting his own merit...
Completely useless. Now, I won't claim to be an expert on something unless I actually am. I know my own capabilities, and regardless of posts: 15 or posts: 1500, my own capabilities are all that matters, not how many times I have spit out some useless drivel.

-Kevin

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Alan Petersen 14 years ago

That's why we have an off-topic section so folks can celebrate their posting mile-stones and others can complain about it leaving the main forum where we "talk about making money".
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StrikeNet

14 years ago

This is a great post! I 150% agree!

Thanks for writing a large amount on this, it's nice that it's been made really clear, for once.

woohoo, I've got post #51 in 4 months!

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Scott Voss

14 years ago

Bill (TPW),

It is actually kinda funny. I had kept ignoring this thread because I thought it was another one of those celebratory, self adulating posts. Blech.

I was beaten into submission and finally opened this thing up because I couldn't figure out why it kept migrating to the top every time I came back here.

Love the post and thanks for sharing the story! That sound completely frustrating. I love it when people show how little they really are by acting so big.

Take care and here is an extra "thank you" to help boost you to your thank you milestone.

-Scott

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Simon Ashari

14 years ago

You suggest that people should make posts celebrating 'thanks' milestones.

Funny thing. Most of the people with large amounts of 'thanks' are just here contributing value to this forum, rather than making self congratulatory threads.

Agree with many of the sentiments of the OP but like everything in life 'it depends on the individual'.

-Simon

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Nick Brighton

14 years ago

Niether post or thanked post count towards your credibility. This thread is a perfect example of that. Look how many times you've thanked people in this thread simple for showing their gratitude towards your thread.

I've seen people thank others for thanking them, for posting WSO's, for leaving "free copy" reviews... it is all relative and largely meaningless. (although the ratio of thanks to posts made is a sign that you're adding value in certain areas, for sure.)

There are scammers lurking who've been here years. There are people with huge post counts that are built up from all kinds of reasons - asking questions and/or contributing to arguments.

Doesn't mean squat. So yeah, your original point is spot on... it's largely meaningless whichever measurement you use.

The only thing that gets my respect and trust is your values and respect, plus consistency in those values and respect. Change your spots too many times, and I'll play with the other cats.

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