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14 years ago

Make a website about how to design a website. Start a newsletter and make some products and then sell it to the opt ins.

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nleonard 14 years ago

Yeah, that's what I think as well build a site around website design since sounds like
your niche of expertise. I really can't see it any other way go after what you know first.
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Mission0ps

14 years ago

Now you really won't find any better advice than you have in those couple of posts above. Your skill as a web designer is really something that is in demand

use the force young Luke ...

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JLGMarketingSolutions

14 years ago

ok good advice guys...I am knowledgeable about Wordpress design as well. I think I will go into a product designing with Wordpress... sound good?

Mission - I got your PM but I cannot return it intill I have 50 posts...i sent you an email

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Stephen Bray

14 years ago

Create a cheap product that
offers one solution to one
problem and which you can
write up quickly. Sell it for
less than $10.00.

Don't give it away free.

You will create a list of buyers
in your field.

Keep within your field and rinse
and repeat.

Stephen

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JLGMarketingSolutions

14 years ago

^^ ok good advice.. thank you for this

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Terry Hatfield

14 years ago

What good is making a product going to do you, if you don't know how to sell it?

My advice, is learn to sell an existing website design course and then you can make your own and send that traffic to your own product.

Don't ever put your time into making a product before you know you can find the buyers.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JLGMarketingSolutions

My history is a website designer, I have the skills to design a website, I am awesome with Wordpress and HTML coding, can get stuff to rank organically with my SEO skills as well, but just need some initial guidance on where to start and make some money.

At the risk of offending people...

Offer your services in the WSO and/or WFH areas, at a discount rate but in a large quantity. Instead of doing "one site for $50," do "ten sites for $500" instead.

Now your clients will all be people who want ten websites. People who want ten websites have generally developed a good way of consistently making websites profitable.

Pay careful attention to what they want and how each client's sites are similar - both to the same client's sites, and to your other clients' sites. Also note the differences.

As you work with these clients, you'll get a good feel for who is doing well and who is not. You'll also get a good sense of who will talk frankly about the business model for these sites. Ask questions and learn.

When you have a client who isn't doing well, and your conversations with successful clients have given you a pretty good idea WHY he's not doing well, make suggestions to help this client do better.

If you have an idea for how to improve the performance of sites, run it by your successful clients and see what they think.

In both cases, you will often get either a good explanation of why you shouldn't do something, or an opportunity to test your idea without any risk (or, on the other hand, any reward) to your own business.

Three or four months down the road, you'll have a solid education in building profitable websites.

Never take a job for the money, but for the experience. Work to learn.

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TK1

14 years ago

GENIUS! Really like that one!

Originally Posted by CDarklock

At the risk of offending people...

Offer your services in the WSO and/or WFH areas, at a discount rate but in a large quantity. Instead of doing "one site for $50," do "ten sites for $500" instead.

Now your clients will all be people who want ten websites. People who want ten websites have generally developed a good way of consistently making websites profitable.

Pay careful attention to what they want and how each client's sites are similar - both to the same client's sites, and to your other clients' sites. Also note the differences.

As you work with these clients, you'll get a good feel for who is doing well and who is not. You'll also get a good sense of who will talk frankly about the business model for these sites. Ask questions and learn.

When you have a client who isn't doing well, and your conversations with successful clients have given you a pretty good idea WHY he's not doing well, make suggestions to help this client do better.

If you have an idea for how to improve the performance of sites, run it by your successful clients and see what they think.

In both cases, you will often get either a good explanation of why you shouldn't do something, or an opportunity to test your idea without any risk (or, on the other hand, any reward) to your own business.

Three or four months down the road, you'll have a solid education in building profitable websites.

Never take a job for the money, but for the experience. Work to learn.

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Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JLGMarketingSolutions

I have the skills to design a website, I am awesome with Wordpress and HTML coding, can get stuff to rank organically with my SEO skills as well, but just need some initial guidance on where to start and make some money.

Well, it was mentioned before, but I agree with the above. Start with what you truly know about and build on your strengths.

Originally Posted by CDarklock

At the risk of offending people...

You offend someone? Say it isn't so. lol

Ok, If I were in your shoes I'd market my talents first to raise some income. Look into some other courses on the topic to promote on the side, and to build the list you offer something that one of those courses is "missing" as a free download. After they get the download you can push the course through an affiliate program.

As you build your list, you need to communicate with them and find out what types of products they would like.

This becomes the product you create and sell yourself eventually.

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thebitbotdotcom

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

At the risk of offending people...

Offer your services in the WSO and/or WFH areas, at a discount rate but in a large quantity. Instead of doing "one site for $50," do "ten sites for $500" instead.

Now your clients will all be people who want ten websites. People who want ten websites have generally developed a good way of consistently making websites profitable.

Pay careful attention to what they want and how each client's sites are similar - both to the same client's sites, and to your other clients' sites. Also note the differences.

As you work with these clients, you'll get a good feel for who is doing well and who is not. You'll also get a good sense of who will talk frankly about the business model for these sites. Ask questions and learn.

When you have a client who isn't doing well, and your conversations with successful clients have given you a pretty good idea WHY he's not doing well, make suggestions to help this client do better.

If you have an idea for how to improve the performance of sites, run it by your successful clients and see what they think.

In both cases, you will often get either a good explanation of why you shouldn't do something, or an opportunity to test your idea without any risk (or, on the other hand, any reward) to your own business.

Three or four months down the road, you'll have a solid education in building profitable websites.

Never take a job for the money, but for the experience. Work to learn.

As always, CDarklock, excellent advice. Too bad we cannot get a syndicated feed of your posts...

I agree. Use your skills as bait to learn from those who know how to make money.

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BishopMartin

14 years ago

Make a website about how to make a website, collect emails and then try and sell those people a product about how to make websites? In my opinion this is horrible advice..

The "how to build websites" niche is really competitive. Its competitive exactly because lots of people know how to build websites, cant think of anything better to create a website about, so they just create another website about how to create a website.

Not only is it competitive, but theres not much money in it. Most people searching for 'how to build a website" or "how to build a wordpress" site are looking for free info, not some paid e-book.. What could you possibly write about creating a website someone would want to buy that they can't already find for free?

So basically you guys are telling Jesse to create a website based on a topic that its going to be really hard to get any traffic to - and then somehow if he does manage to get any traffic for that topic, it's traffic that is never going to buy anything..

Wow.. talk about a recipe for failure...

My advice is not to go after what you know.. Go after something that has the potential to make money. Your just getting started right? So why not start small, get a victory under your belt and go from there.

I think you should build a website all about erlenmeyer flasks. If your a decent designer you can build a site thats better than the ones that are currently ranking in Google for this search term. You say you know SEO, so you should know how to get your new site ranked in Google for this search term. Sign up for AdSense and Amazon affiliates - monetize site..

When your done and making a little bit of money each month, have learned some more SEO stuff from the process you can then add more pages to your site, or start a new one with a more competitive term

Any how.. Thats just my thoughts..

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Richard Van

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BishopMartin

Make a website about how to make a website, collect emails and then try and sell those people a product about how to make websites? In my opinion this is horrible advice..

The "how to build websites" niche is really competitive. Its competitive exactly because lots of people know how to build websites, cant think of anything better to create a website about, so they just create another website about how to create a website.

Not only is it competitive, but theres not much money in it. Most people searching for 'how to build a website" or "how to build a wordpress" site are looking for free info, not some paid e-book.. What could you possibly write about creating a website someone would want to buy that they can't already find for free?

So basically you guys are telling Jesse to create a website based on a topic that its going to be really hard to get any traffic to - and then somehow if he does manage to get any traffic for that topic, it's traffic that is never going to buy anything..

Wow.. talk about a recipe for failure...

My advice is not to go after what you know.. Go after something that has the potential to make money. Your just getting started right? So why not start small, get a victory under your belt and go from there.

I think you should build a website all about erlenmeyer flasks. If your a decent designer you can build a site thats better than the ones that are currently ranking in Google for this search term. You say you know SEO, so you should know how to get your new site ranked in Google for this search term. Sign up for AdSense and Amazon affiliates - monetize site..

When your done and making a little bit of money each month, have learned some more SEO stuff from the process you can then add more pages to your site, or start a new one with a more competitive term

Any how.. Thats just my thoughts..

There's no money in teaching people how to make websites?

I know Google local screws things up but when I search that term (erlenmeyer flasks) I get the top 2 results are Wikipedia followed by a bunch of shopping results. Even if you got the site up to just under the shopping results your underneath the fold of the page. Theres nearly 450,000 competing pages, 190k in phrased. It gets 200+ searches a day and according to Samurai you'd get about 90 hits a day if you were #1 but you won't be because Wiki's there with a stonking 74,600,000 backlinks. According to the SEO competition tab in Samurai the competition looks pretty strong though theres a weak site at #5.

Still I think he'd be better off utilising his web building skills than selling glass flasks.

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BishopMartin 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Richard Van

Still I think he'd be better off utilising his web building skills than selling glass flasks.

No one is saying that he should not use his existing web building skills - its a question of what to put those skills to use doing in order to earn some money.

Lots of people suggested using his web design and SEO knowledge to market products about web design. I suggest that he use his web design and SEO knowledge to create a website that markets a specific product. Your saying that ranking in position one and getting traffic searching for 'erlenmeyer flasks' is too difficult? If you don't think he can't rank for that, how do you think he is going to rank and get traffic for a website design related term? Those terms are going to be much more competitive, and even if you do rank the majority of them are not people looking to buy a product.

Additionally, the stats/figures you provide to illustrate this is a difficult term to rank for (450,000 competing pages, 190k in phrased) are totally irrelevant. True, a Weikipedia PR5 page with 166 external links would be hard to beat, but position two is soft with only a PR1 and only one inbound link. (I do not see a double listing for Wikipedia - are your results being personalized?) Finally, I don't know how small your monitor is, but for this search term I can see 7 organic listings without scrolling the page - ie. above the fold.

Perhaps your right and this is too difficult a term for a beginner -- but if thats true do you really think its better to try and create and market a site that sells 'how to build a website" info? I'll take 'erlenmeyer flasks' any day over that dead horse.. It was already on my list, so if Jesse does not want to use this term ill have a site up and aging in a week
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Gino Robin

14 years ago

My history is a website designer, I have the skills to design a website, I am awesome with Wordpress and HTML coding, can get stuff to rank organically with my SEO skills as well, but just need some initial guidance on where to start and make some money.

Hi,
You aware of you weak point why not,build and learn from it.....as you learn you will pick up all the seo techniques...

All the Best
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BonganiS

14 years ago

Maybe you can include other affiliate marketing products and put them together with those of Clickbank in a website. Then integrate the website with a Blog. Then start promoting the website using article marketing and other methods.

The key is promoting and selling what people want or need. If the products you promote are in demand, then you just need to drive traffic to them. Let people see them. That will result in profits.

To your success.

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