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Hey everyone, and especially all the great designers that peruse this forum.

I have a design contest going at:

Startup Magazine Needs Identity - Logo Design Project for a Renton based company by MycroBurst.com

I just would like some feedback on which design looks to have strong appeal, looks good in print and web, and is 'catchy'.

Thanks everyone.
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    The best looking one/most professional/catchy design is #99.

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  • Total,

    I like the Raindesign one. IT brings a sense of flare to it while still being professional. 99/

    Great work though and the idea seems to be worthwhile.
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  • I do agree that set #95 to #97 do stand out from the others.

    It was clever of the designer to adjust the background to complement the design, as good presentation is helpful for getting a win for this. If it were on a white background, it might not have been this strong.

    The elegance and simplicity is good. The design is well-balanced as well.

    The other designs seem to lack the type of elegance that this magazine wants to portray and they are just too over-starry.
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    I like #201. It really "speaks" magazine. The others kinda look like your pimping low-grade porn.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      #201 looks good. #196 would likely translate the best to print, especially one-color (like black and white).

      Unless you know the one you choose will always be printed in full color, you might want to check them in gray scale before declaring a winner...
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I like #193 the best.

    Side comment: The name of the magazine is almost like a slogan; Everyone's Famous Magazine. I think it detracts to have essentially a second slogan; The real people's magazine. I would just drop that altogether.
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Good points.

      The logo has to look good in b/w, so that's a factor. Also, it has to be clear when it is shrunk down, still recognizable.

      And I'll reconsider what you said Janice, about the tagline/slogan.

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    A couple of questions, if you don't mind:

    Is the magazine called "Everyone's Famous" or "Everyone's Famous Magazine"? Does the name imply that it is a famous magazine which belongs to everyone, or does the name imply that everyone is famous?
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      The magazine is called "Everyone's Famous".

      The goal of the mag is to highlight (make famous) local people in their particular region.

      So, there would be an EF Seattle, EF Chicago, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by total_freedom View Post

        The magazine is called "Everyone's Famous".

        The goal of the mag is to highlight (make famous) local people in their particular region.

        So, there would be an EF Seattle, EF Chicago, etc.
        Then, to me, incorporating the "M" so prominently in most of the logo choices really throws things out of kilter from my POV. I would find that grating in the same way that it is grating to me when someone refers to an ATM as an "ATM machine" when the "M" already represents the word "machine" (thus an "ATM machine" would be an "automatic teller machine machine").

        Based on that, I really can't choose any of the logos with the "M" so prominent, and those without the "M" miss the mark from a design standpoint.

        So, from this group, I can't choose any of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
          Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

          Then, to me, incorporating the "M" so prominently in most of the logo choices really throws things out of kilter from my POV. I would find that grating in the same way that it is grating to me when someone refers to an ATM as an "ATM machine" when the "M" already represents the word "machine" (thus an "ATM machine" would be an "automatic teller machine machine").

          Based on that, I really can't choose any of the logos with the "M" so prominent, and those without the "M" miss the mark from a design standpoint.

          So, from this group, I can't choose any of them.
          Point taken. Great points and feedback. I already submitted comments reflecting this new request.
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      • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
        Originally Posted by total_freedom View Post

        The magazine is called "Everyone's Famous".

        The goal of the mag is to highlight (make famous) local people in their particular region.

        So, there would be an EF Seattle, EF Chicago, etc.

        I didn't read this before I gave my picks.

        With this info, I'd say to stay away from "Everyone's Famous Magazine" and just go with "Everyone's Famous" and let magazine be implied.

        As I was reading through all the logos, I found myself wondering if the magazine was:

        Everyone's Famous - Magazine
        or
        Everyone's - Famous Magazine



        Drop "Magazine" and the message becomes a lot more clear.
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  • Profile picture of the author DrewClement
    Who am I among all the recommendations you have had, and all the work that has gone in.

    But touching on what Steven just noted....seeing as the magazine is actually called "Everyone's Famous"

    Is there any need to have the M or the word Magazine in the logo itself? I would suggest having EF as the logo and have someone whip up new designs using that...rather than EFM

    You rarely hear people refer to "cosmopolitan magazine" "good housekeeping magazine" "chatelaine magazine" or even "playboy magazine"

    By looking at the actual magazine when it is printed, everyone should have a pretty good idea that it is a magazine, correct?
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Great point. The designers obviously thought that "M" should be a part of the logo.

      I'm wide open right now, and would be happy to post this feedback for the designers.

      Keep the comments coming, they're really helping.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Since you're planning on having multiple editions in multiple cities, I like the idea of using a stylized skyline as a background - especially for cities like Seattle with very recognizable skylines.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    Who are you targeting with the magazine. Some of those left look too bubble gummy to me.

    I like #95 and #96 by raindesign, but I'm not really sure about the colors. The pink and blue definitely doesn't say Seattle to me.

    I do like the icons citali came up with, but who submitted logos with the skyline first?
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Originally Posted by cma01 View Post

      Who are you targeting with the magazine. Some of those left look too bubble gummy to me.

      I like #95 and #96 by raindesign, but I'm not really sure about the colors. The pink and blue definitely doesn't say Seattle to me.

      I do like the icons citali came up with, but who submitted logos with the skyline first?
      Raindesign submitted the skyline look first. The colors are not a factor right now, as long as it looks good in b/w, the colors can change.

      For Seattle, what color scheme would you suggest? Emerald green and black?

      Thanks for your feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    IMHO, trash the lot. Only #200 comes anywhere within range for what you need for a mag identity.

    Your creative brief sucks. Not your fault, the right questions weren't asked.

    Who is your target market specifically? You mention "everyday people". Everyday people aren't famous nor do they deserve to be. You're featuring ordinary people who've done something or do something extraordinary in their everyday lives.

    Look at the top 100 magazines at your local bookstore. Notice anything they have in common? Their identities come from typographical treatment of their name. Some of them may have a logo somewhere - but out of 100 mags, I'll just about guarantee you that you don't see the logo on the cover. Even the most famous logo of all, the Playboy bunny, isn't on their cover as part of the title.

    Go look - Cosmo, GQ, Playboy, SI, Mad, Wired, Newsweek, Time - heck, even American Rifleman.

    I think you'll get the idea, and maybe you can head in a different direction that would better represent the magazine.

    Just MHO, of course
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      IMHO, trash the lot. Only #200 comes anywhere within range for what you need for a mag identity.

      Your creative brief sucks. Not your fault, the right questions weren't asked.

      Who is your target market specifically? You mention "everyday people". Everyday people aren't famous nor do they deserve to be. You're featuring ordinary people who've done something or do something extraordinary in their everyday lives.

      Look at the top 100 magazines at your local bookstore. Notice anything they have in common? Their identities come from typographical treatment of their name. Some of them may have a logo somewhere - but out of 100 mags, I'll just about guarantee you that you don't see the logo on the cover. Even the most famous logo of all, the Playboy bunny, isn't on their cover as part of the title.

      Go look - Cosmo, GQ, Playboy, SI, Mad, Wired, Newsweek, Time - heck, even American Rifleman.

      I think you'll get the idea, and maybe you can head in a different direction that would better represent the magazine.

      Just MHO, of course
      I look at magazines all the time. The logo is the type. Google "Newsweek logo" or US Weekly logo", and you'll see that the type is indeed the logo. The "Wired" logo is also on every magazine, as is the big "O" on Oprah's.

      You're right about Playboy, I didn't see the 'logo' on any single issue.

      Your point about the logo being more typographical is really important feedback. I will take that and add that to the comments.

      My creative brief that "sucks" is not necessarily the best feedback, but ok, I'll take that, too. It's my first one, and I wanted to get the designers going, and I will correct it as I go along.

      And whether "ordinary people" deserve or don't deserve to be famous, well, I'll leave that for another debate.
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    BTW, for colors - you have to be VERY careful locking yourself into colors for a title on a cover. What if you have a photo that clashes with the colors? You need to have the logotype be flexible enough that it can be displayed in any color that you need it to be without special treatments like drop shadows, background glows, etc.

    The #200 I mentioned (I'm not partial to it, don't really like it, but it's a good illustration for this) uses large blocks letters that if changed just a little, could be the clipping mask for an image or something along those lines. Just something to consider.

    Another edit:
    The skyline is a cool look - but what do you do for cities that don't have a distinctive skyline?
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      BTW, for colors - you have to be VERY careful locking yourself into colors for a title on a cover. What if you have a photo that clashes with the colors? You need to have the logotype be flexible enough that it can be displayed in any color that you need it to be without special treatments like drop shadows, background glows, etc.

      The #200 I mentioned (I'm not partial to it, don't really like it, but it's a good illustration for this) uses large blocks letters that if changed just a little, could be the clipping mask for an image or something along those lines. Just something to consider.

      Another edit:
      The skyline is a cool look - but what do you do for cities that don't have a distinctive skyline?
      I'm aware of the color scheme being a factor, and I'm not locked into any one particular one. So, yes, the logo has to be flexible, and still maintain it's brand awareness.

      As for the skyline, it doesn't have to be a skyline, just something that is recognizable to the city it's being run in. For example, in Seattle, everyone knows the Space Needle, or Pike Place Market. So either of those can stand alone, without the need for a skyline.
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  • Profile picture of the author fivestarexec
    #95 - #97 by raindesign does it for me too.
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      I like #95
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        TF,

        I'm also of the opinion that your designers are missing the mark for what you're looking for. I don't like any of them enough to give any particular one the thumbs ups.

        Additionally, I'm not in favor of a skyline as a denoting factor for individual localities because it is the 'people' not the 'place' that you are trying to highlight, I believe.

        So here is a very rough concept where the use of a person in sunglasses (sunglasses being synonymous with fame) is pointing at the reader (everyone).

        The font can be changed to your liking, obviously, as can anything else about this concept such as the character, layout, etc. (Btw, the image is grabbed from Istock so the watermark is left on.)

        This may be of no help to you, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

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        • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          TF,

          I'm also of the opinion that your designers are missing the mark for what you're looking for. I don't like any of them enough to give any particular one the thumbs ups.

          Additionally, I'm not in favor of a skyline as a denoting factor for individual localities because it is the 'people' not the 'place' that you are trying to highlight, I believe.

          So here is a very rough concept where the use of a person in sunglasses (sunglasses being synonymous with fame) is pointing at the reader (everyone).

          The font can be changed to your liking, obviously, as can anything else about this concept such as the character, layout, etc. (Btw, the image is grabbed from Istock so the watermark is left on.)

          This may be of no help to you, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

          ~Bill
          Ha Ha - I change my vote and I like this one best now. Maybe the cool dude in the sunglasses could be signing an autograph as if his name is Everyone's. Everyone's could be in a cursive font and then the Famous in a bold font.
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          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          TF,

          I'm also of the opinion that your designers are missing the mark for what you're looking for. I don't like any of them enough to give any particular one the thumbs ups.

          Additionally, I'm not in favor of a skyline as a denoting factor for individual localities because it is the 'people' not the 'place' that you are trying to highlight, I believe.

          So here is a very rough concept where the use of a person in sunglasses (sunglasses being synonymous with fame) is pointing at the reader (everyone).

          The font can be changed to your liking, obviously, as can anything else about this concept such as the character, layout, etc. (Btw, the image is grabbed from Istock so the watermark is left on.)

          This may be of no help to you, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

          ~Bill
          Bill, you have an interesting point. The trick is picking an image that the right people identify with, and associate that with the magazine. While I get the sunglasses reference, to me that particular image would make me think of a club-hopping, gum popping, hipster doofus ala Jersey Shore, rather than fame. As such, I'd conclude that the magazine was not intended for me, and ignore it.

          Just my opinion...
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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            Bill, you have an interesting point. The trick is picking an image that the right people identify with, and associate that with the magazine. While I get the sunglasses reference, to me that particular image would make me think of a club-hopping, gum popping, hipster doofus ala Jersey Shore, rather than fame. As such, I'd conclude that the magazine was not intended for me, and ignore it.

            Just my opinion...
            John,

            I get your point. Trying to find the right image in a short time is tough unless I take the time to draw it. Actually, I was looking for more of something along the lines of someone leaning against the text wearing sunglasses. I agree the outfit in that photo is not what I had in mind.

            "Hipster doofus ala Jersey Shore" is where the money is these days...:rolleyes:

            Thanks for the critique. I knew I should have used a fish...

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  • Profile picture of the author le dangles
    I like #193, 121, and 194 but I think it would look best if you changed the colors to the blue and pink!
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    Argggh, the hazards of quick written communication.

    I didn't mean to imply that your design brief sucked from YOUR end - it is well thought-out. I meant to get across that for a mag masthead/title/identity, the correct questions weren't asked for you to answer.

    And the 'ordinary' thing - what I meant to convey is that you aren't going to be writing about Joe Blow's average day as a worker bee in an accounting firm. You're going to be spotlighting (as I understand it, of course) regular people doing special, interesting things.

    Sorry for the inaccuracies, I was in a hurry - which isn't much of an excuse, I'll grant you.

    My MAIN point was that for magazines especially, the simpler the title treatment the better as you have more flexibility to integrate it into an ever-changing cover layout. Anything beyond typographical treatment tends to limit what you can put on the cover.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    my initial reaction was #96

    but the more I looked through them, I started to like #209 as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
    I look at magazines all the time. The logo is the type. Google "Newsweek logo" or US Weekly logo", and you'll see that the type is indeed the logo. The "Wired" logo is also on every magazine, as is the big "O" on Oprah's.
    You're exactly right - it is called a 'logotype' as opposed to a 'logo'. The talent of a professional designer is to take your name - company, newspaper, magazine, whatever - and turn it into something that resonates with your target market.

    Anyhow, sorry for the earlier miscommunication. Wasn't intending to step on your toes or hurl insults.
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Originally Posted by SteveJohnson View Post

      You're exactly right - it is called a 'logotype' as opposed to a 'logo'. The talent of a professional designer is to take your name - company, newspaper, magazine, whatever - and turn it into something that resonates with your target market.

      Anyhow, sorry for the earlier miscommunication. Wasn't intending to step on your toes or hurl insults.
      I took no personal offense. I'm listening to everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    For Seattle, what color scheme would you suggest? Emerald green and black?
    Since Seattle is the Emerald City, definitely green, but I wouldn't make it too primary.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wagoner
    Well since it is "opinions" you're looking for, that makes me very well qualified to throw in my backwater two cents.

    First, forget what you have so far...

    When I think of someone being famous, I think of them being in the spotlight.

    Therefore, if you are looking for an image to go with the mag, it should be (IMHO) a silhouette of a person in the spotlight.

    The image would be black and white.

    The spotlight is shining down from above or slightly from an angle.

    Both the spotlight and the light coming down would be black, with the person a silhouette of white standing in the black light.

    You can experiment with several cool poses and even stylize each locale with a different pose.



    Best of luck to you...
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    • Profile picture of the author dirtyroger
      I'd go for #121 or #96 i like them both, look real class
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      • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
        More submitted per feedback. Thanks everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    229 and 174 are pretty good.

    174 looks more like a teen magazine though... I still like it, but that's the original impression I get.


    Also, have you given any thought to your slogan "The Real People's Magazine" being frowned upon by the legal team over at People Magazine? haha Especially since you guys are kind of in the same niche?
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Originally Posted by mr2monster View Post

      Also, have you given any thought to your slogan "The Real People's Magazine" being frowned upon by the legal team over at People Magazine? haha Especially since you guys are kind of in the same niche?
      That's on purpose, and it is a not so subtle, but not explicitly obvious, poke at their name. I don't mind branding our magazine against a goliath. And we're not in the same niche, since they focus on famous people, and we're focused on local people.

      And their mag name is "People" not people's, so we're safe there.
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  • I place my vote on design #121 by citlali. She did a really great job! The color combination of black and green on a white background looks both elegant and impressive. Also the green star in the middle is eye catching and gives the logo a touch of glamour.
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    I really like #119. I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned that one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      I believe the best on the first page are these 3, they would be easy to rebrand for each city by changing the skyline for each specific city, yet keeping the same logo......universal

      #96
      #132
      #232

      You could have the designers play with the color schemes to match your cities colors, but overall they are the best....

      I also think that #193 has potential, I like it alot but it seems to be too wordy maybe? But overall it has an appeal to it......
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  • Profile picture of the author gandfscott
    I've just been through the same process with my website. I think #236 by Citali. It's not quite there yet but stands out the most because:

    It will look great on a transparent background because it has a very clear cut outline
    It will easily translate to business cards and other promotional material
    Is easy to change the colors.
    Will be very easy for another designer to use or copy - like a web designer
    Will be simple to blend in with a website look and feel

    Needs to make everyone more prominent and add in magazine.

    My other favourite is #131 by citali also.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Please don't forget to come back and show us the final design. You got some great feedback and I can't wait to see the finished product!
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I like them all but I like 9, 7, and 6 the best. The ones with the skyline would you be changing that for every city? That might not work to well. I am no expert in design or logos in particular so my vote should not count for much.

    The goal of the mag is to highlight (make famous) local people in their particular region.
    I forgot to mention I think it is a brilliant idea with lots of potential. I wish you lots of success with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

      I like them all but I like 9, 7, and 6 the best. The ones with the skyline would you be changing that for every city? That might not work to well. I am no expert in design or logos in particular so my vote should not count for much.

      I forgot to mention I think it is a brilliant idea with lots of potential. I wish you lots of success with it.
      Thanks Janice! Yeah, it's one of three big ideas I have. I think this one is gonna run...

      Thanks again for your feedback.
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      • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
        Oh, and it doesn't have to be a skyline. Just something recognizable to locals from that area. I, for one, would not be able to tell the difference between a Dallas skyline, and an Atlanta one. But they would.
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        • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
          There's only one design that I think is even close to
          hitting the mark...

          #5


          It's a simple logo that emphasizes the idea of being
          famous by neatly including a star in the logo.

          ALL of the other logos are way too complex and too
          busy to communicate anything useful. Just because
          some 'designers' can use 1001 colors and many images
          doesn't mean they should.

          Simplicity is the key.

          An effective logo should communicate ONE key idea.

          Hence why I've gone for #5.

          All the other logos are trying too hard to communicate
          everything... and they end up communicating nothing.

          #5 will also translate well in different media as well
          as looking good in color or black and white.

          It needs more tweaking for sure but it's got the seed
          of a good, simple idea.

          The star has the potential to burn the logo into people's
          minds.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    Paul:

    Unfortunately, I find none of the remaining selections to be compelling. If forced to choose one, I'd go with 444.

    On second thought, even 444 leaves a lot to be desired.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnyeo90
    #445 is quite nice too.
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    • Profile picture of the author total_freedom
      Thanks everyone, for your feedback and time. I appreciate it.

      By the way, #444, #445, and #446 are the same logo.

      The battle seems to be between #400 and #444. Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    I think the one with Michael Jackson on it does look great, nostalgic and direct to the point
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Maybe I'm weird, but ...

      My initial reaction when I saw the phrase "The Real People's Magazine" was that it was a mild slam on People Magazine as in:

      "there's People magazine" and then there's "the REAL people's magazine"

      I don't know if there's a chance that a legal issue could surface over that phrase or not - you might want to run it by a lawyer who understands trademark infringement - or maybe you already have.

      Good luck with your venture - I hope you hit a home run!
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