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Thomas De

14 years ago

Nice post, I agree! Especially the first year is hard, afterwards it´s getting easier!

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paulie888

14 years ago

Excellent post, Chris. All the crazy push-button automatic moneymaking products would not be flooding the market if they weren't in demand at this present time. The plain truth is that controversy and excitement sells, and no one is going to get excited about any IM product that starts off by talking about how you have to spend endless hours getting your salesletter, product creation, backlinking, split testing, etc. just right in order to rake in thousands of dollars!

I have noticed a similar phenomenon in mainstream magazines - the short headlines on the covers are unbelievably irresistible, and almost compel you to flick to the page where the article is and read it. Oftentimes the article itself is a complete letdown, but this is the same principle at work here when pushing IM products these days. The aim of many products these days is to shock, dazzle and impress the viewer so that they bite and buy the product. While the refund rate may be higher, you also have to consider that the conversion rate is also probably higher due to the "shock and awe" effect of these sales pages.

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Chris Munch 14 years ago

Thanks for all the 'thanks' everybody.

@paulie - It's very true, as a marketer it is hard not to be seduced into giving a lot of buzz, and those with lower ethics will certainly go that route. I've chatted with successful IM product promoters that actually deliver good products, but there sales pages are extreme over-exaggerated buzz, and in many cases actually outright lies.

Truth is very few customers actually question it, and when they do such questions are ignored or carefully brushed over.

The excuse for doing this is just 'its marketing' or 'my audience only buys on hype'. In their own mind they are doing nothing wrong, especially if their product is good.

Still its just not a good way to build trust and loyalty with your audience and does a lot more damage in the long run. So even if you have poor ethics then just from a business point of view its the wrong thing to do.
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Dean Jackson

14 years ago

That's why we need to step the hell up and be a cut above the rest.

There are all the "automatic" blogging and money making systems out there... But do they really deliver?

If you've been in IM for any length of time, you know that it's a 100% BS sales tactic.

Of course there is work.

You still need to click a few buttons and get it to work.

But as Chris has said, you need to build credibility and deliver on what you promise.

Don't be fooled by "good looking" clickbank sales pages and think you can't compete.

There are a few well known marketers here who have some pretty ugly sales pages, but they still make thousands upon thousands all the time just based on their reputations alone.

It won't be as quick as many people think it is. Maybe they'll take the red pill and wake up to the truth some day...

...Or maybe they'll keep sleeping hoping to stumble upon the magic pill.

Whatever works

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Chloe Brooks

14 years ago

Totally agree...lots of wannabies as well claiming to be successful but just want your money...sad truth...

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LondonPaladin

14 years ago

It's like anything else. You just have to grind and put in work and you can succeed. I have been doing this full time since February and I only started three months earlier. It's about putting in the hours and paying attention. And not spending tons of money on product after product. Also, it helps to get in on a launch BEFOREHAND.

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14 years ago

There is probably no such thing as 'easy money'. However, there is defineitely 'easier money'.

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moneyblogger1

14 years ago

There is a reason why only 5% of people who start a business succeed. You need to push through the crappy times to get the strength to make the good times happen.

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Wechito

14 years ago

I think there are basically two types of internet marketers:

a) The ones that are just after the easy money
b) The ones that build products for those looking for the easy money.
b) The ones that are serious and honest and want to not only make money but provide valuable products.

The first ones are, I think, the big majority and also the ones that are building a bad reputation for IM. Those are the ones that fill the Internet with crappy sites and all kind of spam. But they are also the ones than make other people make money because they are the ones that are always ready to buy, specially highly hyped products that promise what all we know is not possible.

The second ones are those that make products for the people of the first group. They create crappy products that promise a lot but do not offer anything. They are the kings of the hype and the lack of value. Among them there are people that has made a lot of money.

The third ones can be called "honest business people". They want to make money, of course, but they want to make it in a honest way. They create good and useful products or services that provide value and help people. Some of them are still a little hype but they do offer quality products or services.

Which one do belong?

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fated82

14 years ago

Yes Chris, nothing comes easy. The more you want to earn, the more hard work you have to put in. That's life....

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Eduard Stinga

14 years ago

Yes, totally agree. First year is hard. Actually getting started is hard because we only look for fast solutions that are short term. It took me quite a while to realize that I need to just spend some time researching and then to do something that works long term, and eventually pays off more.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisTew

People often like to talk about their success more than they like to talk about their failures.
People often like to talk about the fun times than the hard times.
People tend to prefer to hear about success and fun times, than failure and hard times.
People like easy solutions that require as little effort as possible.

People also crave authenticity. While marketers are aware of these things, what they're generally ignoring is that the average consumer is not aware of why he distrusts the "pie in the sky" marketer... but he does distrust that marketer, all the same.

"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

The obvious lesson there is, don't sound too good to be true.

And sometimes that means you have to leave out some of the features and benefits of your product in the sales letter, because they would make it sound way too good.

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AllAboutAction

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisTew

People often like to talk about their success more than they like to talk about their failures.
People often like to talk about the fun times than the hard times.
People tend to prefer to hear about success and fun times, than failure and hard times.
People like easy solutions that require as little effort as possible.

I'd add to that:

People quote "Revenue" and never talk about "Cost of Sales"

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belgianguy 14 years ago

Common guys, making a fulltime income online is really easy. It only took me 6 months of studying and testing before I made my first $100

Ok, maybe it's not that easy But once you know what to do and you gain some momentum it does feel like easy money: No boss, working from home, passive income, freedom,... Livin da good life
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stephen de vries

14 years ago

So tell us more?

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Daniel E Taylor

14 years ago

"It is no surprise that many become engrossed in the myth that there are quick and easy solutions for making a profitable online business. "

I disagree... It's not a myth. It's really quick and easy. As I look back when
I first started and all my struggles were really SELF INFLICTED.

Making money on the internet is quick (Instant payments) and easy (Good sales pitch).

I find most "Internet Marketers" struggle because they approach it like
an employee and think the amount of "Time" they work translates to
a how productive they are.

Find a market ---> Opt in ----> Sales page ----> Google Adwords

Literally it's that simple. You can start making money in a single day.

Most newcomers complicate it because of the internal belief system
that "It can't be that easy". Well yea it is...

Daniel

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Ron Douglas

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

"It is no surprise that many become engrossed in the myth that there are quick and easy solutions for making a profitable online business. "

I disagree... It's not a myth. It's really quick and easy. As I look back when
I first started and all my struggles were really SELF INFLICTED.

Making money on the internet is quick (Instant payments) and easy (Good sales pitch).

I find most "Internet Marketers" struggle because they approach it like
an employee and think the amount of "Time" they work translates to
a how productive they are.

Find a market ---> Opt in ----> Sales page ----> Google Adwords

Literally it's that simple. You can start making money in a single day.

Most newcomers complicate it because of the internal belief system
that "It can't be that easy". Well yea it is...

Daniel

I agree to some extent. We make it much harder than it should be.

It is really hard when you're trying to do it without any money to start.

Once you have relationships with people who can generate traffic, a list of your own, or money for advertising, it can be really easy.

Conversions and Traffic. Offer something people want and get the people who want it to see your offer. Whether they buy or not, get them on your list, offer good content and make additional offers.

That doesn't have to take 80 hours a week to accomplish.

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Chris Munch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel E Taylor

"It is no surprise that many become engrossed in the myth that there are quick and easy solutions for making a profitable online business. "

I disagree... It's not a myth. It's really quick and easy. As I look back when
I first started and all my struggles were really SELF INFLICTED.

Making money on the internet is quick (Instant payments) and easy (Good sales pitch).

I find most "Internet Marketers" struggle because they approach it like
an employee and think the amount of "Time" they work translates to
a how productive they are.

Find a market ---> Opt in ----> Sales page ----> Google Adwords

Literally it's that simple. You can start making money in a single day.

Most newcomers complicate it because of the internal belief system
that "It can't be that easy". Well yea it is...

Daniel

I'd agree it is easy when you compare it to many other jobs.

Still you need to develop the know how and have the experience. Just like driving a car is easy once you know how, but it takes a few months of lessons to figure it out and learn the ways of the road (at least in the UK it does, U.S is a little different).

There's also a case of building momentum, the first $100/mo is a lot harder than the next.

A big chunk of the difficulty does come from within, having the right mindset is crucial, that's where most of my early screw-ups came from.

With the right mindset, the experience and knowledge you can start building a full time income in a few weeks/months, but people don't start out with all that. They have to develop the right mindset, learn the large variety of skills needed, get hands-on experience and put all that into action and build momentum - that's going to take about 2 years for the average committed person (some more, some less).

Yes it is quick compared to the average career, it pays more, and if you run your business well it is a lot easier, but it does require a lot of work and commitment up front.

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bhitesman

14 years ago

I think you hit the nail and hard. This is not easy at all, you have to put in long hours and work hard at it. But like you I like it and love it. The fact that I'm creating something and put to action ideas and tips it just keeps me up 'till 3am in the morning.

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faisalmajeed

14 years ago

Thank you for these information

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johnwho

14 years ago

I fail miserably for my first year. But the rest is easy..

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entrepreneurjay

14 years ago

Well said making a full time income on the Internet is not for the lazy or the faint of heart. It is like a rough roller coaster ride with all its ups and downs. What you are striving for is to have a lot more ups than downs.

It is a business treat it as a business and not as a hobby if you want to make a full time income one day.

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tacoverhoef

14 years ago

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Well very much agreed on. But still you can love your job so much that you could call the job a hobby! Of course there is probably always some things not to like, these we can outsource depending on what we can and want to spent for that of course.

The question remains should you give the interested what they asked for or not? If they ask for hype? Does it matter or what counts most honesty and making less money or a little hype and more money.

I think you should be honest. And I think you should sell. Now is the question how:confused:

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Robert Puddy

14 years ago

My views over the last 12 months have changed somewhat, my view is if they wont buy the medicine that will help them, then I have no problem selling them the placebo they think will be better for them because it tastes nicer.

I will do my utmost to channel people into the light, but for those that insist on taking the darker route i plan on having a place for them to go too.

You can sell them work...Or you can sell them a lottery ticket

I prefer to sell them the work, but use the lottery ticket as a downsell

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Chris Munch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Puddy

My views over the last 12 months have changed somewhat, my view is if they wont buy the medicine that will help them, then I have no problem selling them the placebo they think will be better for them because it tastes nicer.

I will do my utmost to channel people into the light, but for those that insist on taking the darker route i plan on having a place for them to go too.

You can sell them work...Or you can sell them a lottery ticket

I prefer to sell them the work, but use the lottery ticket as a downsell

At least you are honest! In my own experience it is exceptionally hard to persuade people to approach an online business in the right way, and it does not take long before they are seduced by some other tactic, give up or obsess endlessly over something not important.

I'm still trying to figure out the best way to channel people in the right direction, but it is very difficult when the competition to sensible business thinking are using the best persuasion and psychology tricks in the business to get them to do otherwise.

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mark587905

14 years ago

It takes a lot of failure to find success. There are so many aspects and ways to earn with IM, dont expect to know 10% of the availble methods after a year. I have been doing this for 10 years now and still learn everyday of my 7 day week.

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mblount

14 years ago

I heard on the news the other day that the FBI is going to start verifing some of the ads u see on the internet like " I make $ 10,000 per month and you can to " They prosecuted an info commercial guy and his wife here in Orlando a while back and he got a big time sentence. I was surprised the FBI got involved but I guess it had something to do with mail fraud and State to State commerce. If I can find the article i will post it.:confused:

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Chris Munch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mblount

I heard on the news the other day that the FBI is going to start verifing some of the ads u see on the internet like " I make $ 10,000 per month and you can to " They prosecuted an info commercial guy and his wife here in Orlando a while back and he got a big time sentence. I was surprised the FBI got involved but I guess it had something to do with mail fraud and State to State commerce. If I can find the article i will post it.:confused:

If the economy continues to weaken expect to see a lot more of this as people look for people to blame and vent their anger.

Such people need to be punished, but during good times they get away with it as nobody is that interested, but when times turn bad people are much more aggressive at getting the scammers and rich *******s that are earning off their misfortune.

I recently posted the following on my blog:

Hatred for scammers and unethical internet marketers will increase both as a result, and also due to the need to find an enemy and assign blame that accompanies a downturn. A general distrust against internet marketers as a whole will grow considerably and the industry will be largely tarnished leaving the ethical members of the internet industry tarred with the same brush.
A boom in spam and scammers and a growth of hatred towards internet marketers will drive more rules and legislation on the internet business community.
A growth in communities (such as The Salty Droid) that name and shame online scammers and serve to protect people online will grow in terms of followers and aggression.
Record fines and punishments against online scammers and spammers will be delivered. While scammers and spammers have had somewhat of an easy ride during the boom times, they will eventually become a hated target if stocks drop far enough

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Mangozoom

14 years ago

Think this a great post and would want to encourage people by pointing out that unless you get to gribs with the reality of internet marketing you will forever be distracted by the lastet get rich quick scam!

Learn the basics of a valid online business model and work it until you get the results!

John

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