by zoranv
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Hi all,

Being a newbie to all this I am looking at all the different avenues to take within IM. Still got a lot of learning and understanding but had a question about setting up a website.

Does anybody have experience of using iWeb on Macs to set up a website?

Is this adequate for the purposes of IM, or too basic a tool?

For the not technically experienced like myself it seems like a good option to put together a page/pages, but your comments would be appreciated.

Z
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  • Profile picture of the author TANGJINGJING
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    • Profile picture of the author zoranv
      Err thanks TANGJINGJING, not sure if that helps me a great deal but all comments are appreciated.

      Z
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      • Profile picture of the author smokinhalfnote
        Hey there. I'm a Mac guy myself primarily, though I use Windows as needed. I've been where you are, so I'd be glad to offer a little help.

        iWeb is a nifty program. It is without peer in its ease of use and drag and drop simplicity, but I would avoid it in its current incarnation for any business purposes. It's not terribly SEO or PHP friendly. The ease comes at a cost. It's designed so anyone can build a website quickly and easily, and for that purpose (and that alone), it excels.

        If you're looking for a Mac only solution, check out Realmac Software's RapidWeaver. I've built some incredible looking affiliate sites with it myself, though it does have a slightly higher learning curve.

        In the end, however, you're probably better off mastering Wordpress first, which is platform independent and offers a lot for folks in this line of work. But Wordpress has an even steeper learning curve than RapidWeaver (if you're a website newbie). It's worth the time to learn, and there's no shortage of resources on how to learn it.

        I personally use Dreamweaver, RapidWeaver, Wordpress, BBEdit and even XSitePro (using Parallels) depending on the need. One of my guiding philosophies in this business is "use the right tool for the job." If you want something that's close to iWeb in ease of use but much more powerful, RapidWeaver is the next best option. Just be prepared to spend a bit on themes and plugins to make it truly exceptional.

        In my view, iWeb is probably not the best choice for IM purposes, but someone else may have an alternate view.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    iWeb is great if you already have access to your market and just need a brand presence - it sucks for IM.

    It has really horrible code and terrible for seo.

    Avoid it if you're intending to get organic search traffic - you'll do much better using Wordpress.

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    • Profile picture of the author zoranv
      Guys thank you very much for your guidance on this, I will take you advice and look into the tools mentioned.

      I did feel it was almost too good to be true, so some of my first hands on experience will be learning to build sites.

      Thanks again, with guys like you I will learn a little each day and get a small part of the puzzle in place.

      Z
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      • Profile picture of the author zoranv
        Hi Guys,

        Following from our earlier posts I came across this thread. Does this provide a solution with iWeb?

        "I've just finished up the second week of PIPS, which was all about SEO. I quickly discovered that with iWeb, you can't really optimize for SEO using Meta Tags and such. So, not wanting to start over with my precious website, I did some Googling and found that Rage Software has everything you need to optimize your iWeb site for good search rankings! Google Rage Software and you'll find them...their SEO program is free!"

        Z
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        • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
          I'll echo what the others have said and simply say that if all you have is iWeb, go ahead and use it to get started. IMHO the major drawback to it is that your site will look like millions of other iWeb sites. Still, hey, it works and the important thing is that you get started building your empire.
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  • Profile picture of the author eflo
    I've used iWeb to create successful sites, but it's truly what you need the site to do. I prefer wordpress for its stronger overall capability and SEO usage. But an iWeb site doesn't have to look horrible. This one made me quite a bit, however it was used purely as a branding and web presence made quickly. Http://save-Canada.com

    Horrible for Seo though, but it did the trick for establishing credibility quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hey Zoran,

    I can understand that you probably want us to say that you should go ahead and use iWeb since you already have it and know how easy it is - and yes you can make a nice looking site quickly.

    However - there really is no 'right' answer to your situation.

    If you intend on becoming proficient and internet marketing then at some point you'll need to understand some of the elements of website marketing and search optimisation - that's a little bit of a generalisation and perhaps you're in an unusual situation where you may not care about such things, but it's highly likely that you will.

    As I've said here many times - it IS more important to be clear about the purpose of your website to begin with that what technology you use to create it - but since it's likely that you'll either want or need to know more about this I am commenting from that perspective.

    Let's look at a couple of quick examples to make this clear that we're on the same page.

    1 - You're a local dog groomer and want somewhere you can point people to if they want details of your service and how to contact you. Almost all of your business is from people you meet and word of mouth recommendation.

    Yes - go ahead and use iWeb to get a nice site up that shares your information.

    2 - You're a florist and although you're not intending to sell flowers from your website - you do want people who don't know you to be able to find it and then contact you about providing for them, whether it's for local hotels, businesses or individuals.

    You could use iWeb, but there's a good chance that at some point you may want to easily be able to add images, videos, payment systems and interact with your customers online.

    As soon as you start needing to do more - 'most' of the information that is around on the subject of creating, customising, enhancing websites is from the perspective of someone who has some sort of html editing software (even if it has a WYSIWYG editor) and will probably also focus on the use of css for layout and design.

    This is where you'll come unstuck and if you need help - you'll need an iweb expert because as soon as a normal web designer looks at the code they'll realise that what iweb spits out is nothing like normal html and css code. You can't just go to a web page and copy an image and when you do look at the code it'll make very little sense as far as what it relates to on the page is concerned.

    In short - you need to learn 'iweb' design - which is not like almost every other way of creating sites.

    So - if you just want a quick nice looking site that you're not planning on ever needing to maintain or customise - or try to search engine optimise - go for it.

    If you will need flexibility and want to easily be able to update your site with cool new widgets, plugins etc to save you having to do anything funky - just bite the bullet now and start learning about Wordpress.

    When I started out online I didn't have all these choices - there was Notepad, Dreamweaver and MS Frontpage - so you either learned coding or picked one of the other 2 that had a graphical editor.

    These tools that make creating websites really easy for non-techies always come with extra overheads and less flexibility.

    They do have their place so it's up to you what is right for you - but if you're planning to have control over your websites it's better to put the time in to learn to create things yourself.

    I still often get other people to create things for my websites (especially graphics) but I know enough that I don't 'need' anyone else to make a good site. I suggest you give yourself the same option as it'll save your bacon at a time when you need something done and there's no time to find someone else to do it.

    Just so you know - I use lots of different site building tools and methods - including iweb.

    Here's one of my sites that uses iweb - http://extramileconsulting.com

    I've also built them using Google Sites, Wordpress, sitepro, dreamweaver, frontpage, Composer and more...

    There are times when using them make sense - but something like Wordpress will usually make sense for most people.

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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    Recently I did a "quick job" for a client where I was basically just pasting some code into one of his iWeb created pages.

    A few seconds work, I expected it to be. Unfortunatly iWeb is using it's "own standard" when it comes to HTML. Everything seems to be floated on layers, and so quick tweaks are next to impossible.

    So basically if you use iWeb, you'll need to stick to it forever. If you go to a different solution, you'll need to create the site from scratch, as the code it produces doesn't look like it'll be compatible with anything, except iWeb.

    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author zoranv
      WHoooaaa.!!!

      You guys really know your stuff, unfortunately this is going way over my head right now. I'm getting the message though, I think my reasons for using iWeb are because it's easy, on the surface but will not do me any favours in the long run.

      My initial thoughts after doing some reading is that I should start getting to grips with Wordpress start learning the in's and out's and this will give me a much better chance in the longrun.

      Z
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by zoranv View Post


        My initial thoughts after doing some reading is that I should start getting to grips with Wordpress start learning the in's and out's and this will give me a much better chance in the longrun.

        Z
        We're just sharing our experiences so that you don't get the same problems we've already had to deal with.

        It's not that you have to use Wordpress - but at least learn some basic html and css so that you can 'modify' templates and make changes to things you have created. Wordpress is just one of the easy ways to combine not having that knowledge with a platform that lets you dig deeper if you need to later.

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        • Profile picture of the author zoranv
          Andy,

          I thank you and appreciate all the guidance and comments from you and the other warriors here.

          I take all this on board and will take action to learn some basic html and css as you suggested, if you have any suggestions as the best place to start doing this (ie online, local classes) then I'd be very grateful.

          Z
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