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I have something even stranger to add to this post.... I've been having the SAME exact problems with my account....BUT it's with my own product. I don't have affiliates promoting my product through clickbank just yet. But the problems are exactly the same. Same traffic, analytical data the same, conversion rates drastically down. On and off...and this IS NOT normal or anything related on my end. I think it runs deeper than just hacked affiliate links, I think that there is literally a problem with the entire payment processor as a whole. I don't know what exactly it could be. I've heard of others who try and buy through clickbank and have problems with the actual processors and can't buy. I'm going to be switching to 2checkout here in a few days as a test and post those results. |
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I also just contacted one of my clickbank vendors to see what is going on. Just hope that I am not being ripped off after putting so much work in this affliate business. Boy, this world is full of crooks and all most of us want is just to make a decent living.
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I also have been noticing that my affiliate sales for the ClickBank product have been plummeting. Before, the conversion rate was something like 1:45ish, but for the last month, it was about 1:106. As a result of seeing this thread, I went ahead and created a new ClickBank account. |
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First product I promoted was a paydotcom product. I never got paid for my sales! Left a bad taste in my mouth, Probably just a fluke but anyway.
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Hmm.. jace, I got the same issue too. it was a miracle that it actually didn't put me off affiliate marketing.. btw, i have also been experiencing the same sales fluctuations with Jan 09 being the top sales period, then tappering off. Thereafter, I have since been experiencing only "sprinkle" of sales, every 4 to 5 days, the longest drought being 10 days with 0 sales. Hops are consistent, as I am still consistent with promotions. I have also opened a new account, which gave me initial 2 sales and then none thereafter. Sometimes i wonder when i should stop promoting CB products. But they are still the BEST amongst the many. I tried Paydotcom but be warned. Run simple background checks on the vendors before you commit to selling their products. I have bad experience in having sold a particular keyword research tool but never got paid cos the vendor literally disappeared into cyber LOL !! Then when i search vendor details of my selected products, i realised that some vendors have not been keeping up with the updating of their products. So that actually kept me away from PDC. Am now exploring others platforms. |
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Stallion, A marketer I know went from doing $20 000 a month to doing $1 500 a month when the recession started. He didn't change his traffic level, website, or promotions. Still think I'm ignorant? Don't forget the growth may be attributed to better marketing, or the fact that Amazon sells LOTS of different stuff - who knows (except Amazon) which products that money came from? Maybe you should take a happy pill before you post again. This is a real problem and needs to be looked at. Not dismissed. -Dan |
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Hello everyone, I use CB as an affiliate and recently just tested out some of my links, because activity had fallen to 0. Have any of you tested your links as if you were a real customer? Turns out that when I try to reach the payment screen, IE sends me a message that it can't access that page?? I tried from several computers and for the past 2-3 days, but still can't get to place an order? Any suggestions? Tks |
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Wheres Sherlock Holmes and the CSI forensic team when you need them. :-) I wonder if this is maybe a wake-up call......if one is a business starter, either sooner or later create Recession/Depression proof income streams/niches for some level of insurance, back-up, a "batten down the hatches" in one's arsenal, for continued financial solvency. What have people been proven to buy when times are bad, but since they did not have the internet in '29, strategies or what worked then from '29 to the 70's may be theoretical only. Certain Mail-Order principles may still apply. But this is a unique time, despite what smoke any President or Congress, lawmakers may say, hope based on fantasy,Santa Claus , wishing wells, elves is simply dopey. Why is it such a unique time? Among the cheif reasons, how are you going to have jobs, when the U.S. doesn't make products and is making less as the day goes on? Or if there is a new U.S. industry, it will soon be outsourced to China, so how do you compete against slave labor? In order to have jobs, like ANY market , you have to either make or sale stuff to OTHER people who want your stuff, at a competitive price and competitive quality...so what, I ask you, since we in the U.S. is making less and less, is the U.S. economy and GNP going to stimulate jobs and Income "INTO" the U.S. by being a "sales Affiliate" of China, Mexico and any other industrial slave labor country producing products as good and much cheaper the us? For INCOME <<<< INTO >>>> the U.S., to swell the GNP, you gotta sell stuff to other countries, so why would they buy from us, when we are making less, higher prices, less quality(toyota/Honda vs Ford-Chevy), more and more Outsourcing, and simply being an AFFILIATE salesman of China and others...Wal-Mart, MegaOmni-Affiliate God. HELL, WE are NOT BUYING OUR OWN STUFF, HELLOOOOOOOOO... "Job creation".....?, ...please...... Why would anyone need to buy thru an affiliate if I got the funds to buy bulk and deal DIRECT with the factory(China), cutting out all middleman, wholesalers, etc.,especially since its cheaper that way, hence, more jobs gone. And if I got my own shippers, the other shippers are out of a job. Politicians will NOT go against their corporate buddies/twins. These guys are sick, still eating lobster in a famine, greed knows no boundaries or shame, especially if one has been doing that all their life, thats how they make their living, off taxpayers back. And what are they teaching in grade school, colleges and business schools to deal with the realities of the 21st century and beyond..? Answer: not a Go****n thing, when they come out a can't find a job or the industry they studied just evaporated, a lot of pissed off students with loans they can't pay back. Especially when they are going to compete for the same menial jobs that their parents and maybe even grandparents are going to need to survive. How hilarious is that? Politicians empty speeches, injecting false pride to the crowd based on what? Yesteryears strategies won't work much today, new ones have to be formed.., form a strategy based on not having producers or manufacturers in the equation. "Bounce back"...,bounce on what..? How do you bounce off a hole, that gets deeper? Even Kobe needs a solid floor to launch from to have a chance at the basket. Whose even more sick than the con-men politicians is the people that believe, show up, listen to them, and cheer based on hopeful wishing and emotion, not on real world realities and practices that MUST be implemented and work to face todays and tomorrow issues and realities....we are like children sitting on a fake Santa Claus who represents a Fake, asking for what we want for Christmas, jesus christ, man..... Some hard realities and necessities people are not going to do or like: 1) More protectionism of products, 2) Equal trade, we are buying equitable to what you buy from us 3) Cutting government by 50%-75%, eliminating use-less departments..., a department should be created on a task force bases with no additional money, solve the problem or put others on the temporary task force to solve the problem, if you can't solve the problem in a timely reasonable fashion, you probably should be immediately fired with no more of a guarantee of pension or benefits than any other citizen. 4) Repeal the IRS, state should only solicit for projects that everyone needs, like when you get an estimate for re-piping your house, only pay the estimate, and only when it can be completed in the time alloted. Less taxes, more money to spend, more cash flow, don't need a degree from Harvard to know that. 5) Reward loyal business and manufacturers who buy U.S. goods and parts, stay in the U.S., employ U.S. workers, penalize heavily anyone who moves out and try to sell their stuff back to the states. 6) Eliminate dependence on Foreign Banks, International Banks, and The Federal Reserve, it is no excuse or reason to be in debt to anyone. 7) Corrupt politicians should lose their pension and benefits, be sued/repossed personally for what they cost taxpayer , do them like the IRS do us, confinscate thier stuff 1st, then, let them prove their innocence to get it back...,also, and/or be imprisoned under Federal law, no provisions, the higher the power and trust, the harder the sentence. 8) Reward inventors and problem solvers--they need not have reputation or know someone, if a professor has a solution over what a political department or task force cannot solve, that citizen should be heard and amply rewarded. Any politician showing favor or nepitism, when a citizen has THE solution, that politician should lose his job, benefits, and fined like an IRS audit. 9) Govt. departments should be only in a small monitoring or as needed case, not careers, for if it is a career, then the wrong people are employed to solve the problem. 10) Education based on reality, skills that meet todays and tomorrows challenges, not expired , evaporated philosophy thats 70 years behind. 11) Serious penaltys for fraud, whether its a corporation, political or individual, a punishment that will deter enough people, corporations should be confinscated, restructed and sold to the public for the good. Do these folks like you do terroist, drug cartels and mafias. This will never happen cause theres money to be made amongst this chaos, corruption and confusion, thats how leaders get to be mult-millionaires to a job that only pays $96,000 or more. When it gets worse, States are going to seriously start seceding from the union because they are giving up taxes , getting into a deficit and not getting anything equitable in return from the Federal Gov., essentially going broke feeding and fattening someone else along with corruption and mis-management of funds, like a person with no job or income STILL trying to live the high life, buying ferrari's, giving away money to friends, eating $800 plate dinners, giving tax money and projects to their friends, when the gov. continues in this vein, then the stuffs going to hit the fan. The 13 th Warrior | |
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| I think you've got the right idea here. I also php redirect my clickbank affiliate links to help prevent people from stealing my commissions... My clickbank income has been relatively steady too.
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This is really shady and it looks like it is fairly common. I bet most people don't even notice/realize it's happening to them. Maybe it's just part of doing business with CB...
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Absolutely. Knowing a marketer doesn't constitute proof because I know plenty of marketers and I'm sure there's a lot of them here on the warrior forum that will attest that their profits have been growing during this economic down turn. Amazon is an ONLINE RETAILER. RECORD PROFITS! That means people went online, and bought stuff. Consumers are still the ones living in the economy and they bought. You can stick that happy pill up your backside. | |
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Stallion, Is such an attitude really necessary? All I am saying is that your example is completely scientifically invalid. I am sure some things are selling better; some things are not. There are plenty of statistics to show that we are in trouble at the moment. I'm happy for Amazon but they are hardly indicative of the whole online market or the whole economy. Again, this is a complex situation. Just because Amazon are doing well doesn't mean there isn't a problem. -Dan |
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The things that are selling better , and marketers that are marketing those things that they know why they are selling, are drowning in cash. Seems like anyone can have a system set for profit in fair times, but which marketers have it set up for bad times or even the worst, for maybe even the long haul? Who has that philosophy and practice laced in their various systems of income? Is it even possible, or are some surviving based on luck or choice of niche? It's like living in a county with a solid history of flooding, but never having any life jackets, rafts, life boats, boats or any other emergency equiptment to deal with the realities of that area. The 13 th Warrior | |
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That is not uncommon. I have seen this happening to me. I would think that people are more cautious in their spending habits these days. But I do notice that if the niche is a desperate one for example, relationship, it is not as price-sensitive. In other words, people are still spending on those products they feel are necessary. You really have to relook the niche you are promoting in. |
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If someone came out with a "Don't Let ClickBank Steal Your Money" an insiders method of getting every last penny ClickBank owes you--an instruction manual/seminar/webinar/videos solving most of your ClickBank problems and issues, would probably sale a million in 2 days.....or make Frank Kerns launches look like childsplay. Most especially if they got a relationship with CB technical staff, like James Martell, Ken McCarthy and others who are on a roladex for when Google is solicited to drop by as guest speakers. Better beat Harvey Segal to it first, though. :-) The 13 th Warrior |
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For some reason, CB hoplinks on my side only show up blank pages... Fabian |
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I noticed that if I follow through a sales page with my aff id in it (clickbank product), by the time I get to the sales page, the ID is blank!!!
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then your premonition has come true. I have a free book which can help. I usually ask people to PM me if they want to know as I'm not clear on the forum rules about showing a link in the body of a post. Anyone know ? OK I'll risk it. Free book: ClickBank for Newbies http://www.supertips.com/r/cbn.htm Harvey | |
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Thanks for the book. Don't know if Dormant Domains is the answer to these guys query. Keep seeing this "ClickBank" problem brought up in forums more and more, don't know if a definative cause, answer and solution is to be had. Has this been discussed in "ClickBank only" forums? Surely its come up a lot, based on the frequency/history it comes up here in Warrior Forum. The 13 th Warrior |
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well, just check my clickbank analytics to see how many hops i had got and it is now showing that i have recieved none. There was some there earlier, and yestersays data has completely disappeared aswell. LOL Steve |
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Besides, you make the bulk of your money selling your own products on CB, not CB affilliate products as an affiliate. It isn't the same. And there's just no getting away from it. There is definitely a problem with Clickbank's tracking. I too have had enough experience as a CB affiliate to know. | |
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Really weird, and for most annoying.
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| Yes but only with a basic redirect. These days many affiliates are trying to be clever using fancy new cloaking scripts or are using frames, or are sending customers directly to the order page, or a combination of such methods. I wonder if these tricks are causing some of the problems being experienced. Andrew |
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Thanks for the free info Harvey much appreciated. I think JOEWEBHOG is totally disorientated..huh |
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Relax guys... I am just trying to get through the silly restrictions so I can communicate with a few warriors in the WSO. How about cutting me some slack... ![]() Thanks! |
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Very interesting reading. I was having the same problem, same traffic/hops for each product, no sales for 6 days. Normal consistent conversion rate 1:65.- 1-100 depending on product. I opened a new account changed all my links and had immediate sales for all products back to normal for three days and then stopped completely for the past 4 days. Something is very wrong!! |
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Something has to be done so that CB takes this whole thing seriously. Their lack of response is deafening. Yet they cannot afford to ignore this. Every seasoned affiliate comes to the Warrior forum to keep themselves informed. They can't miss what's been said in this and on numerous other threads that have addressed the same issue. And the consensus among the CB affiliates who have posted here is that there is something clearly wrong with CB's tracking process. So they ignore this whole issue at their own peril. The explosion of CPA networks is already threatening to relegate them to history. They either shape up or die. Why doesn't someone from their management team come here -- the premier IM site on the internet bar none --, if only to reassure us that they're working on the issue? But their silence tells me everything. It tells me that they're not here because if they were, they would grudgingly have to admit (assuming they were on the level) that they do have a problem and legal eagles everywhere would be flexing their muscles, if indeed they are not already doing so. Even so, it's time for CB to act. They must get their house in order or they risk increasingly becoming irrelevant. Lack of strong competition in the past has made them complacent over the years, but their halcyon days have now ended with the advent of new and more creative forms of affiliate marketing. |
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i complained about clickbank for the longest time, i also had my streaks of 5-6 days w/o a sale. But RIGHT NOW i get sales, so i know its working. The last "outage" was back end of last year, as far as i remember. In conjunction with my products/WSOs (which mostly deal with clickbank) i do consistant testing using different browsers - but i personally NEVER had it happen that the "affiliateID" is not shown at checkout. The affiliateID is even set with higher than norm security settings, thsi with FireFox or IE. So, i strongly suspect two things: ) You use some antispyware/AV program which block cookies (I know for sure that Kaspersky does NOT) ) You promote a "zombie" site - i saw some customers who wanted to promote Clickbank sites, but they did not link to the original vendor page but instead to a "intermediary" site which was NOT the original vendor. And this site stole the commission since it inserted THEIR affiliate link. So..if you sell products from clickbank, ALWAYS get the links right of marketplace and dont assume that the sites coming up in google are also always the original vendor pages. |
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Pheobe, I did the exact same thing you did. And I got the exact same results that you did. 2 sales with the new account and then nothing thereafter.. This is not right. Fishy is understatement of the century, especially with money and livelihood is at stake. CB is playing with fire. CB should know that successful and happy affiliates are the main reason they even exist. Without us affiliates, where is CB? |
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maybe they use some sort of 'rolling blackout' approach... it's been driving me crazy for a while. Some of the most respected businesses and ceo's in the world turned out to be crooks - it certainly isn't out of the question that CB isn't isn't on the up-and-up. Not when the entire industry has so many shady people who don't like to pay affiliates. |
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"i also had my streaks of 5-6 days w/o a sale. i complained about clickbank for the longest time. NOW i get sales, so i know its working." If you had the problem and complained "for the longest time," then OF COURSE CB will have rectifuied YOUR concerns. If they wean out those who protest loudly, they can continue to screw the rest without losing any sleep. | |
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Thank you too all for contributing to this thread as reading about terms like cookie stuff, more about link cloacking and affiliate tracking hacking as well as more about ClickBank has certainly made me and am sure a lot of other readers wiser |
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I think the bottom line is: CB need to get their act together. Are there times when someone has typed in an affiliate hoplink and see aff=none? Yes. Are there many of us complaining of dropped conversions? Yes. I have my thoughts about the 'rolling blackout' theory too. CB needs to come out with some explanations. Fabian |
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my sales have rally fallen off, lately as well. I started a new campaign a few weeks back and was making a sale per day for every 80 or so visitors. Now its so sporadic its sad! Another product that is seasonal and should sell like crazy right now is not. But it was a few weeks ago???? And its only a $10 product so the price should not be driving people away. Also i have almost 5000 hops for a popular IM product and one sale from those hops, seems weird??? I redirect from my own domains for all the products i promote. |
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Does anyone else wonder why Clickbank's website seems stuck in the 1990's? Might have something to do with why their tracking is goofy - I mean they've got a pretty good thing going on there, but I haven't really seen much change or innovation from them in quite a few years. If they were putting something back into development, improving their product and service, chances are we'd have a far higher quality system by now. /2 cents |
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Check this thread out guys. Someone is finally taking up the issues with CB big time. This other thread Clickbank ripping of affiliates - Someone filing charges against clickbank While I hope something can be done at CB, I don't hope to see the demise of the biz. It would be a pity as it does have top notch, best affiliate products in almost all categories. The best part is that the payment management system (before all these issues happened) is pretty efficient for both affiliates and vendors. |
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Are the problems limited to being an affiliate and not getting credit for sales? Or does this affect the owners of the products as well? Are customers paying for and downloading their products but Clickbank is not giving credit for the sales to the product owners? |
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if i open a new CB account can i use my same name and information? Will anything happen to the $700 i have in my current account?
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| I use the same name and information for a number of CB accounts - all get paid into the same bank account as well so your $700 will be fine.
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| You can have as many CB accounts as you like. Funds are tied to the account where they were first credited and cannot be transferred. Multiple accounts just means multiple checks.
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I just found a related post on Harvey Segal's forum: ClickBankSuccessForum.com :: View topic - I've Just Confirmed It - Clickbank DOES Go Down Fabian |
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thanks i thought so but did not want to shoot myself in the foot!
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