Why Do Newbies Have Websites Like: "How To Make $$$$ In 2 Weeks"

14 years ago

They're trying to convince themselves that their dreams are real by pretending to be one of the people they want to be.

Usually known as 'fake it til you make it'

Those things are what they want to see, so they think it's what others will buy.

It's just a lesson they need to learn.

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RyanLeonard

14 years ago

Different reasons.

1. The Gurus do it.

2. You can learn a LOT from teaching.

3. They have a general understanding of how to make money online- but they lack the determination and work ethic required to put it all into effect.

4. They're buying into the old "scam" similiar to the news ads people post saying "Want to get $50 sent to you every week? Send $5 to 'this' address and I'll send you the secrets..." and they of course the "secret" is to post the same newspaper ad with their address.

I think there's a lot of confusion on how to make money online. You have experts telling people to find a niche they're interested in, become an expert in that niche and then cash in on it.

And that inevitably leads to thousands of desperate people who have an interest in making money online using the "make money online" niche (which happens to be one of the BIGGEST profitable niches online) using that niche, trying to become experts and trying to monetize it.

The rationale is that "I'm giving away OK information that isn't going to hurt anyone, and then once this works for me, I can share it."

It is a funny thing to see though.

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InternetSuccess001

14 years ago

Rhetorical question.

But simply because they want people to buy. They see/hear that other people promote products that say "Buy this and make $$$!", so figure it is that easy. They probably believe that that is how money is made online.

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mcmahanusa 14 years ago

And after they learn that this is all a bunch of baloney, they wail to all who will listen that, "Internet Marketing is just a scam"; "You can't make money in Internet Marketing", simply never getting the fact that you can make money - a lot of money - if you're willing to settle down, treat it like a business, put in the hours it takes, and diligently follow a proven blueprint.

There is a parallel to this in the offline world - the restaurant business. Over 95 per cent of new restaurants fail; not because "you can't make money in the restaurant business", but because it takes a lot of hard work and long hours; getting grease under your fingernails, dealing with unpleasant customers, dealing with unreliable and incompetent personnel. But if your idea is sound, you are willing to work hard and pay the price for success, you will become one of the successful 5 per cent.

On or off line, it's the same. Same attitudes, same work ethic.
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- Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago
  
  Why Do Newbies Have Websites Like: "How To Make $$$$ In 2 Weeks"
  
  Because that's how long it took them to figure out where to put the buy
  now button.
  
  ** NOTE ** For those of the humor impaired, the above is a joke. I
  have a real soft spot for newbies. But some of them really need to
  get real before they start showing others how to make money,
  especially when they haven't done it themselves.
  
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  goindeep 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  But some of them really need to
  get real before they start showing others how to make money,
  especially when they haven't done it themselves.
  
  Yup. Thats my thought.
  
  I have never pretended, in order to make money. And i have never tried to sell any product where i make out like i know how to make tons of money online. The closest thing i ever did, was when i first started i ran a blog for a very short amount of time which was titled "Online Cash Journey" and that was the first time i made money online, i earned 13 bucks via adsense.
  
  The reason it worked for me was that i was honest.
  
  A few years back i was selling online advertising for the Yellow Pages here in Australia, and this trainer once explained something to us which has stayed with me ever since.
  
  He said to be as honest as possible and dont talk to the prospect about anything you are not sure about. The reason was part science part meta-physics. He said and im para-phrasing.
  
  "Everytime you lie or bend the truth the prospect can tell something isnt right. They might not know you are actually lying, but they just know something is fishy. And the reason for that is because when you lie or bend the truth or fluff up the offer, the words that come out of your mouth dont match the reality in your brain and so it may be a physical thing where your words arnt clear or you stutter or something, or maybe it just might be that the prospect is picking up on something extra sensory."
  
  "Its like this: Have you all heard of binary? Well binary is the simplest form of communication and computaion. Binary is made up of 1's and 0's. Even space aliens could understand binary because its the most simplest form of communication. Well your brain works on a binary level too. If you ask me what color t-shirt im wearing (He was wearing white) and i say 'its white', the binary matches. My words match the reality. All is good. If i say 'its black'. The binary does not match, therfore something in what i say or the way i say it is communicated to you and you can tell im full of it"
  
  "An example would be; Have you ever noticed when someone is honest with you and they say they are sorry, there is nothing really more to say from both parties, that the 'air is clear'? That feeling is because the communication lines are not corrupted anymore and the binary mathes again".
  
  Newbies. If you create info products, dont create them about making money. Unless you DO actually know how to make money. Example: If you have earned a $200 online and consistently for over 6 months, then say things like 'How i earn $200 per month online'. Dont say 'Click here if you want to earn truck loads of cash'.
  
  And if you have not earned any amount of money online, thats cool too. There are plenty of other topics and niches you can sell to your prospects. If you love to fish then write about that, if you can play the guitar then create something about that, if you have been married for over 20 years then tell people about that and how you did it.
  
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  Barry Unruh 14 years ago
  
  [QUOTE=Steven Wagenheim;2705684]Why Do Newbies Have Websites Like: "How To Make $$$$ In 2 Weeks"
  
  Because that's how long it took them to figure out where to put the buy
  now button.
  
  Steven, Where do I find your WSO on creating a BUY NOW?
  
  I'm pretty sure it is the one missing link in my sales funnel.
  
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mbhrad 14 years ago

It's a copy-cat world...

Repetition is proven, but there is no one formula for true innovation!

I think much like other things, we must maintain a good balance between following good practices and paving our paths for success.

Avoiding sounding like a used car salesmen in the process is always a good MO as well...
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pcpupil

14 years ago

Because we get 20-30 emails a day telling us its easy.
I have even sighned up to a couple lists here in the WF and now am getting hit with affiliate offers from them.
Look at the WSO section.

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Banned 14 years ago

They figure if everyone falls for it from the gurus and other experienced marketers, why not them?

Kind of like ... monkey see, monkey do. They haven't really learned much at this point or they would be concentrating on making money instead of pretending to know enough to teach others how to make money.

Some will eventually get past this point and go on to start online businesses once they realize that doesn't always mean writing an ebook on how to make money (whether you know how to or not).

Some will scratch their head and wonder why no one is buying their ebook.

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bigbrian76

14 years ago

What newbies tend to do is perpetuate instant gratification - big $$ in as short a time as possible. These newbies are deer in headlights. They are blinded by the almighty $$$. Tricked by the "I did it, so can you!" philosophy. Many of these are nothing short of legitimate ponzi schemes. I was a newbie once. I was like some of these folks.

I'm with Steven Wagenheim here: I love them! My blog speaks of how I LOVE tire kickers. That's what these folks are - tire kickers. Why are they my favorite? Because they afford me the opportunity to see who is the serious versus who is not. But moreso, they are the ones whom I reach out to and offer to show them how to really build a business - because what they are missing as a newbie is the power of a team, the power of personal connections.

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Richnana

14 years ago

They practice what is preached. This whole internet thing is about instant gratification. People are flocking to the Internet as their financial saviour. If you tell them that thses future customer that it might take them 5 years to show a profit, they leave the site and run to one of the Guru sites that tell that they can make this money.

And, to be honest with you who says its not possible, just because you haven't experienced it does not make it impossible.

While you peruse the WSO forum, does anybody promise slow income? Make money in 2 years. Invest for 5 years and watch your money grow?

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Bill Farnham 14 years ago

Why Do Newbies Have Websites Like: "How To Make $$$$ In 2 Weeks"

Yup, I don't get it, either.

"Overnight" sounds much better than "2 Weeks".

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

It's even funnier when they have a signature link like that 'how to make $xxxx in one week' and then they start a thread about how desperate they are to make money and feel like giving up

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kevinw1

14 years ago

Add to all this, the fact that much of the "how to" stuff for newbies tells them to turn around and become an affiliate of the course they are on, so they can make money too. of course, it's an internet marketing course (or ebook, or program, or whatever. SO there they are, trying to sell "how to make money on the internet" stuff before they even know how to tie their shoelaces.

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- genietoast 14 years ago
  
  No, it makes perfect sense.
  
  A newbie will do exactly as he's told from the ebook or project he's bought. They may or may not have learned how to use Wordpress, FTP, setting up a domain name, build a list, yet. But they're going to do exactly what they've been taught by their expert.
  
  Secondly, when a newbie buys a product that offers an affiliate program, which so happens to be make money online, that's the easiest thing to promote because it's already set up for him.
  
  So we have to remember that we were newbies once and probably did the same things that they do now.
  
  They'll eventually figure out the system that works for them. There are so many programs, teachers, etc. to choose from, it's hard not to get distracted especially, when you're receiving emails from all these lists you join.
  
  Blaming a newbie for his inexperience is like blaming a kid for falling down while learning to ride a bike for the first time.
  
  Give 'em a break.
  
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  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  We don't do this here. Just so you know.
  
  yeah I realize thanks.. It's relevant to the thread
  
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Kurt

14 years ago

What's the difference between a noob selling IM and a fat guy selling weight loss? Can a smoker sell a quit smoking ebook from Clickbank?

I'm an affilliate for all sorts of products I'm not an expert for...If the noob is selling his/her own info about making money, then there's a problem. But I don't have a problem with a noob selling an IM affiliate program written by someone else.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

What's the difference between a noob selling IM and a fat guy selling weight loss? Can a smoker sell a quit smoking ebook from Clickbank?

I'm an affilliate for all sorts of products I'm not an expert for...If the noob is selling his/her own info about making money, then there's a problem. But I don't have a problem with a noob selling an IM affiliate program written by someone else.

Anyone can sell anything. Just dont act like like you are IT.

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Rashell

14 years ago

Im always seeing newbies on this forum asking and sometimes even begging for help with making money via internet marketing yet their sig gives the impression that they are guru money making machines.

Yeah, it's not a big "I've gotta go check out their site" confidence booster.

I think a better route would be for noobs to offer things that they are actually good at. For example, if your a newbie and you have not made much money on the net, dont write a blog or ebook about how others can make money on the net, instead write a blog or ebook about something your an expert at.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to clearly explain the problem as I see it. Here's my attempt anyway...

A blog doesn't have to be about expertise. Just a web log about whatever topic they want to cover-- even an opinion of other people's products. The problem as I see it hinges on this whole "have to position yourself as an expert in your niche" idea. You don't have to do anything of the sort. You just have to be interesting and useful... ie

Oprah is not an expert at 1/999 of the crap her show or magazines covered. And yet she was an expert at communicating something of value to her viewers. Not being an Oprah fan I could never figure what that something was. But anyway...

Martha doesn't brainstorm 1/10000000000 of the crafts she puts out there. And yet...

Amazon is not an expert at 1/10000000000 of the products they sell. But they offer value to their customers.

The deal to me is "everyone's" teaching "set up a blog, write articles, write a book, become an expert in your niche". I've only known a few marketers that teach the "think outside the box" system. I'm starting to see it a little bit more in products that go something like... "I've done an interview with blah blah blah". This is an awesome affiliate model for "newbies with no expertise" and doesn't make them out to be something they are not.

Does that make sense?

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14 years ago

im always seeking for help although i have a simaliar signature. i think its all good as long they are not tricking people, spamming , or breaking the rules

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Why do noobs constantly have sigs, wso's or even websites and blogs about how others can make a truck load of money. Yet these people themselves arnt making any money?

"Find a niche by looking to your passion."

Why, my passion is... to make money online!

"Find a product to promote."

Oh, look! Here is a product about making money online.

"Find a community related to your niche."

Wow! A whole forum about making money online.

"Participate in that community by answering questions and asking your own."

Okay. Um, I don't know the answers to anything, so I'll just ask questions.

What is this person doing wrong?

Don't we do the same thing in niches like dog training? I don't know anything about dog training. I can't write a book about dog training. I'll hire someone; I'll get some PLR; I'll pick up an MRR package. And then I'll go to this forum and stick it in my sig and start asking dog training questions.

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Barry Unruh

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

"Find a niche by looking to your passion."

Why, my passion is... to make money online!

"Find a product to promote."

Oh, look! Here is a product about making money online.

"Find a community related to your niche."

Wow! A whole forum about making money online.

"Participate in that community by answering questions and asking your own."

Okay. Um, I don't know the answers to anything, so I'll just ask questions.

What is this person doing wrong?

Don't we do the same thing in niches like dog training? I don't know anything about dog training. I can't write a book about dog training. I'll hire someone; I'll get some PLR; I'll pick up an MRR package. And then I'll go to this forum and stick it in my sig and start asking dog training questions.

Your comments are right on the mark, as usual.

How many Gurus teach exactly the process you are outlining. It is one of the prime methods recommended in Ed Dale's Challenge, it has been suggested in many items I have picked up in the War Room, and I have seen it in WSO offers, too.

Not knowing your niche does not hinder most marketers from jumping into a niche if they can research the information, or buy it.

As long as the newbie is not claiming to have made those amounts themselves they are following the same system they were taught.

I'd almost place a bet if Caliban decided to research a "make money" topic he does not currently know, and has not implemented yet, wrote a report on it, and offered it for sale, it would be better quality, more informed, and more valuable than many other products already listed for sale in the WSO section.

(At least my impression is Caliban is an intensive researcher, excellent writer, and has enough common sense to know what is a bunch of crap, and what is probably going to work.)

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

Your comments are right on the mark, as usual.

How many Gurus teach exactly the process you are outlining. It is one of the prime methods recommended in Ed Dale's Challenge, it has been suggested in many items I have picked up in the War Room, and I have seen it in WSO offers, too.

Not knowing your niche does not hinder most marketers from jumping into a niche if they can research the information, or buy it.

As long as the newbie is not claiming to have made those amounts themselves they are following the same system they were taught.

I'd almost place a bet if Caliban decided to research a "make money" topic he does not currently know, and has not implemented yet, wrote a report on it, and offered it for sale, it would be better quality, more informed, and more valuable than many other products already listed for sale in the WSO section.

(At least my impression is Caliban is an intensive researcher, excellent writer, and has enough common sense to know what is a bunch of crap, and what is probably going to work.)

Exactly my approach in my latest book, "Zen and the Applied Science Matrix of Convoluted Particle Physics and Its Relationship to Null Physics in the Sixth Dimension"

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mcmahanusa

Exactly my approach in my latest book, "Zen and the Applied Science Matrix of Convoluted Particle Physics and Its Relationship to Null Physics in the Sixth Dimension"

But particle convolution obviates sixth-dimensional nullity. How does matrix theory change that?

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Alfred Shelver 14 years ago

Could you stop answering everything like you know everything GEEZ CD. Seriously sometimes when I read a post of yours I wonder if you are not just an all knowing Robot from the future. Programmed with a highly advanced personality and humor chip, oh and a high Alcohol tolerance setting.

I am really glad you chose this forum to spend alot of your time on.

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But particle convolution obviates sixth-dimensional nullity. How does matrix theory change that?
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SteveJohnson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

But particle convolution obviates sixth-dimensional nullity. How does matrix theory change that?

Jacoberian matrix theory postulates that the convoluted sixth-dimensional null particle deconvolutes and becomes a fifth-dimension non-null particle upon direct observation.

That's how.

Marilyn McCoo is a perfect example of the non-null fifth dimension particle in a deconvoluted state.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

Jacoberian matrix theory postulates that the convoluted sixth-dimensional null particle deconvolutes and becomes a fifth-dimension non-null particle upon direct observation.

But the experimental data is inconsistent. While the Jacoberian postulate holds up mathematically, and can be useful in theory, there aren't any reproducible experiments. Doug Zongker covered this in some detail back in 2007.

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14 years ago

Because they indeed want to make money in 2 weeks =)

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Droopy Dawg

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu

Just for discussion purposes warriors,

Why do noobs constantly have sigs, wso's or even websites and blogs about how others can make a truck load of money. Yet these people themselves arnt making any money?

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Yeah its pretty pathetic, but I make it a point not to judge a Warrior's "earnings" by their join date to the WF. Some of these people have been making money online for a while with no WF membership.

Some of these "WF newbs" had no time to frequent the WF because they were too busy making money.

Just my $0.02

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Owen Smith

14 years ago

Simply because they think by making up lies that they will profit. Instead of putting the hard graft into it.

I always tell newbies when I am coaching them not to lie, otherwise it will catch up on them. You have to be a good liar on this forum to get away with it or you will get caught up on it.

I remember reading a thread not so long ago in here, someone had lied about their earnings and he ended up being torn to pieces by all the members on the forum.

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It Should Be Easy 14 years ago

I just think it is becuase it is one of the easiest businesses to run. It kinda sells it self and since you are selling a dream it is easy to find your way trough fact and just convince visitors with plain rubbish-talk.
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14 years ago

Because it is the thing they keep dreaming!

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AFI

14 years ago

It's newbies preying on other newbies. Someone will buy it, maybe not the experienced IMer but another newbie will.

And just because someone has a low post count doesn't necessarily mean they're new to the industry.

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Randy Daugherty

14 years ago

I think that is their strategy to entice more people to come and join them for what they're doing... I guess...?

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Banned 14 years ago

Why Do Newbies Have Websites Like: "How To Make $$$$ In 2 Weeks"?

The answer is very simple:

The people they look up to such as their mentors, self-proclaimed gurus have always told them that selling info products in the Make Money niche is the faaaaastest, eaaasiest, cheaaaapest, LAZIEST way to make quick bucks.

Superlative words always ring bell in the ears of newbies. Such newbies want it as fast, easy, cheap... as possible.

But the funny thing is that if you want to climb a tree by jumping to it, you will either break your back, have a spinal cord injury, die or live to tell the ugly story of what happened to you. Either way, you are not safe at all.

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XToni

14 years ago

"Everybody Lies" starting from newbies to the top marketers. I'm always amused by the recently 1997$ big lunches where they show "a real case study" which in fact it's just another bs, they never show the hole data for that campaign or on how many campaigns did they failed.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by XToni

"Everybody Lies"

NO, everybody does NOT lie.

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Barry Unruh

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

NO, everybody does NOT lie.

Steven,

Are you telling the truth?

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

Steven,

Are you telling the truth?

Barry

Yeah, I'm telling the truth. What is this a trick question? :confused:

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Barry Unruh

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Yeah, I'm telling the truth. What is this a trick question? :confused:

Your statement just reminded me of the old riddle of meeting two people, one who always tell the truth, and one who always lies.

It was meant as a simple joke, I knew your exact meaning and agree with it. I just do not happen to know anyone who can claim to never lie, but many who try to avoid it.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Unruh

Your statement just reminded me of the old riddle of meeting two people, one who always tell the truth, and one who always lies.

It was meant as a simple joke, I knew your exact meaning and agree with it. I just do not happen to know anyone who can claim to never lie, but many who try to avoid it.

Watch the Star Trek episode "I Mudd". There is a great scene
in which Spock comes up with a way to short circuit the androids using
this lying bit.

Fascinating episode...in the words of Spock.

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Rikki_Fawkes 14 years ago

There's nothing wrong with the idea behind this mindset - it's just a matter of making the claim low enough to be believable yet high enough to make sales. And maybe think about a disclaimer to go along with that claim.

I, for one, try to practice what I preach when it comes to the ever-controversial sig line as well as my websites. I either have done "it" before myself, am doing it right now, or I know someone else who does, so I know it's a successful business endeavor, or at least something that's possible.
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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

NO, everybody does NOT lie.

Yes, we do.

Remember last year, when you said you were retiring?

You knew you weren't. Not really.

And anyone who even remotely understood you knew it, too.

Oh, and it's not lupus.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Yes, we do.

Remember last year, when you said you were retiring?

You knew you weren't. Not really.

And anyone who even remotely understood you knew it, too.

Oh, and it's not lupus.

Actually, what I said was, I was going into semi retirement and that I
wouldn't be working very much anymore, which I did. I spent most of
2009 in the recording studio.

But, I got bored, realized I missed doing this on a daily basis and
decided that I needed to get back to it.

But I didn't lie. I meant what I said at the time.

There is a difference between saying something and then changing your
mind and flat out lying to somebody knowing full well that what you're
saying you have no intention of keeping your word.

And yes, I know that sometimes there is a fine line between the two.

"I'll give you $25 if you run across the street and buy me that hat."

A minute later you get a call on your cell that your company just went
bankrupt and you're out of a job.

You fully intended to give the person the $25 but now, that you're about
to be broke, you decide you can't afford it.

You meant what you said at the time but things changed.

Or...you could have been lying right from the start, never meant to give
the $25 and are just using the job as an excuse.

Nobody will really know for sure but the person telling the lie/not lie.

So yes, there is a fine line and only the person telling the lie/not lie
knows for sure in cases like this.

But sometimes, the lie is blatant.

"Here's a box of chocolates. Just $1"

Guy buys the box, opens it up and it's empty.

That's a blatant lie.

Some people lie.

Some people tell the truth.

Some people just change their minds because of circumstances.

But not everybody in this world is a liar.

If you truly believe that, then I truly feel sorry for you that you think that
little of the human race.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Actually, what I said was, I was going into semi retirement and that I wouldn't be working very much anymore, which I did. I spent most of 2009 in the recording studio.

But you knew it wasn't going to last. Come on, Steven, you love this stuff. It's not a question of just missing it. It's like your lifeblood. It's in you, and there's no shifting it.

And this is your clone speaking, dude. I know this about you, just like I know it about Loren Woirhaye. The three of us could sit in a room somewhere and geek out to the nth degree about stuff nobody else ever noticed.

(Hey - remember Count Dante and the Black Dragon Fighting Society? How he always did that horrible lurid magenta as the second colour on his ads in the comic books? LOL)

And deep down, you knew when you got back that it wasn't a change of heart or a change of mind. You lied to yourself that you could do it. And it wasn't a mistake, or something you meant at the time. You wanted to mean it. But you couldn't, and you knew you couldn't.

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Rikki_Fawkes

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

But you knew it wasn't going to last. Come on, Steven, you love this stuff. It's not a question of just missing it. It's like your lifeblood. It's in you, and there's no shifting it.

And this is your clone speaking, dude. I know this about you, just like I know it about Loren Woirhaye. The three of us could sit in a room somewhere and geek out to the nth degree about stuff nobody else ever noticed.

(Hey - remember Count Dante and the Black Dragon Fighting Society? How he always did that horrible lurid magenta as the second colour on his ads in the comic books? LOL)

And deep down, you knew when you got back that it wasn't a change of heart or a change of mind. You lied to yourself that you could do it. And it wasn't a mistake, or something you meant at the time. You wanted to mean it. But you couldn't, and you knew you couldn't.

Can I sit in the next room and have you guys pipe in your nth degree geeked conversation? Maybe some of the IM genius will rub off on me if for no other reason than natural osmosis.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Love your posts Caliban. They really make one think.

Some comments below

But you knew it wasn't going to last. Come on, Steven, you love this stuff. It's not a question of just missing it. It's like your lifeblood. It's in you, and there's no shifting it.

At the time, believe me, I didn't love it anymore. And the fact that I
recorded 9 CDs in the course of 2 years has to mean something. I hadn't
spent that much time on my music since 2003. So yes, at the time, you
better damn well believe I meant it.

And this is your clone speaking, dude. I know this about you, just like I know it about Loren Woirhaye. The three of us could sit in a room somewhere and geek out to the nth degree about stuff nobody else ever noticed.

This is true. No argument there.

(Hey - remember Count Dante and the Black Dragon Fighting Society? How he always did that horrible lurid magenta as the second colour on his ads in the comic books? LOL)

Actually, no I don't recall this but I'm getting old and forget a lot of
things lately...sadly.

And deep down, you knew when you got back that it wasn't a change of heart or a change of mind. You lied to yourself that you could do it. And it wasn't a mistake, or something you meant at the time. You wanted to mean it. But you couldn't, and you knew you couldn't.

Well, now you're getting into psychology and I don't want to go there. All
I know is this and I am being totally honest about this.

When I make up my mind to do something, I truly with all my heart have
every intention of going through with it. Just recently I decided to get
back into playing Magic The Gathering, which I was heavily into around
the year 2000.

I hadn't played that game for ages. Thought I was done with it forever.

Suddenly, I got the urge to get into it again, even though I have missed
the last 20 expansions.

I just recently had a friend go to Ebay and win me a Mox Pearl, Emerald,
Ruby and Jet. All that's left for me to get is the Sapphire. Oh and he got
me a Time Walk too.

Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I would get these cards or
even care if I got them.

I was done with this game, no doubt about it. Even put all my cards in
the basement where they'd been sitting for ages.

Make no mistake about it. I had ZERO interest in the game anymore.

So what changed?

I don't know. I don't even know how I started looking at cards again or
going to visit my friend Steve again who has a comic and card shop. But
I did.

That doesn't mean I lied to myself when I said I was done playing Magic
The Gathering. For all practical purposes, I was done...for over 8 years.

People change their minds. They have a change of heart. And the
reasons aren't always because they lied to themselves. But again, that's
psychology and something I don't want to get into because I'm terribly
unarmed in that area.

Have I ever lied to myself and know it for certain?

If I answer that question honestly, I have no idea.

Maybe...but does that make it a blatant lie, the type you tell to a person
when you say "Here's a box of chocolate...$1" and you give him an empty
box?

I don't believe it is.

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

"Find a niche by looking to your passion."

Why, my passion is... to make money online!

"Find a product to promote."

Oh, look! Here is a product about making money online.

"Find a community related to your niche."

Wow! A whole forum about making money online.

"Participate in that community by answering questions and asking your own."

Okay. Um, I don't know the answers to anything, so I'll just ask questions.

What is this person doing wrong?

Don't we do the same thing in niches like dog training? I don't know anything about dog training. I can't write a book about dog training. I'll hire someone; I'll get some PLR; I'll pick up an MRR package. And then I'll go to this forum and stick it in my sig and start asking dog training questions.

The only thing they're doing wrong is asking the wrong questions. Or reasonable questions the wrong way.

Promoting their own product that claims to teach someone how to make big money in a short period of time while asking desperately how to scrape up rent money pretty much invalidates either the question or the promotion. And since the desperate question often has the ring of truth to it...

Originally Posted by Rashell

A blog doesn't have to be about expertise. Just a web log about whatever topic they want to cover-- even an opinion of other people's products. The problem as I see it hinges on this whole "have to position yourself as an expert in your niche" idea. You don't have to do anything of the sort. You just have to be interesting and useful...

Yup, there are bloggers out there making some serious money by being connectors rather than paper experts. I had a friend who really wasn't an expert on anything but who to call on or where to look for anything. You name it, he "had a guy" who could help you.

Originally Posted by Rashell

Oprah is not an expert at 1/999 of the crap her show or magazines covered. And yet she was an expert at communicating something of value to her viewers. Not being an Oprah fan I could never figure what that something was. But anyway...

So you're the other one? I'd heard rumors there were two of us, but I really wasn't sure...

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Dellco 14 years ago

Ahem... all marketers are liars, let's for once be honest with ourselves.

At least this dude comes clean.

All Marketers Are Liars by Seth Godin
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- XToni 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dellco
  
  Ahem... all marketers are liars, let's for once be honest with ourselves.
  
  At least this dude comes clean.
  
  All Marketers Are Liars by Seth Godin
  
  one of my favorite video with Seth
  
  YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
  
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dv8domainsDotCom

14 years ago

A phrase such as "everybody lies" is a circular logic error if it were true. If, indeed, everybody lied, your phrase could not be true (making you a liar, therefore negating the phrase if it WERE true).

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