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Why doesn't Eben Pagan sell the DYD ebook on Clickbank?

by Terry Ma
29 replies
Hi Warriors,

Does anyone know why doesn't Eben Pagan sell his
Double your Dating ebook on Clickbank?

Yes, Clickbank doesn't sell physical products, but
he does have a $19.95 ebook as his lead product.

I have been paying notice to how he markets
his ebook for over 4 years, and witnessed how
the DYD company grew.

It's just amazing that he actually got deals with
HUGE and super famous websites to endorse his
ebook, way back in 2004. (The likes of Tickle.com)

Nevertheless, I suddenly wonder, why isn't he
using Clickbank to recruit affiliates to promote
his ebook?

In fact, if you just look at his site, it seems
that he isn't even recruiting any affiliates at all!

Yet, he actually pays out a 200% commission
for the ebook. (Yes, 200%)

I have lost track to check on him since
last year coz I was starting to get busy on
my own Internet Business, so I don't exactly
know when he got famous in the Money Making
market and what the Altitude course teaches.

Did anyone here buy his Altitude course?
I heard it was somewhere around $5000?

Does the course include how he promoted the DYD
ebook and website?

Thank you for reading this long post everyone,
input will be much appreciated!

Yours sincerely,

Terry
#clickbank #dyd #eben #ebook #pagan #sell
  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Because he values his product and he wants his affiliates to get proper credit for their work..

    Clickbank has always been open to glitches... no $20 million business would risk those issues

    Get altitude was one of the most money worth seminars ever..worth every penny, it was a business course not really about DYD but it did feature because it was part of his business movement

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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Ma
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Because he values his product and he wants his affiliates to get proper credit for their work..

      Clickbank has always been open to glitches... no $20 million business would risk those issues

      Get altitude was one of the most money worth seminars ever..worth every penny, it was a business course not really about DYD but it did feature because it was part of his business movement

      Peace

      Jay
      I see Jay, so if I want to get to know more about how he actually
      runs and market DYD, this wouldn't be the course?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Because he values his product and he wants his affiliates to get proper credit for their work..
      I would say LOL, but then you aren't joking, are you?

      One good reason is the commissions he pays - CB allows a max of 75%.
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  • Profile picture of the author RC7000
    One word.. control.

    Damn I have 'Get altitude', should get round to reading it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Ma
      Originally Posted by RC7000 View Post

      One word.. control.

      Damn I have 'Get altitude', should get round to reading it.
      You own Get Altitude? Can you tell what's the course compiled
      of? In terms of, manuals? DVDs? etc?

      More info will be much appreciated.

      Thanks,

      Terry
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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Uebergang
        Get Altitude has 15 solid DVDs and a professionally designed manual.

        If you're going to build an empire of products, like Eben, the last thing you'd do is tie yourself to the crap of clickbank. It's system is flawed. They rip about 10% of your earnings. I doubt clickbank can enable a 100%+ commission payout anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author cjv01
          Hi

          Clickbank's limit is 75% commission I believe...and at volume, it's certainly cheaper to do it yourself...though for most people CB is the best option in the short-term and their costs are worth paying for not needing to worry about the affiliate side etc.

          However, it can be a pain to link CB sales etc into a bigger funnel...plus JV brokers run a mile unless you have your own in-house affiliate program as CB hasn't got a 2nd tier or good enough tracking stats.

          The best way to see WHY Eben Pagan is not using CB is to buy his DYD product - then see what he's trying to sell to you next :-)

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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Ma
            Originally Posted by cjv01 View Post

            Hi

            Clickbank's limit is 75% commission I believe...and at volume, it's certainly cheaper to do it yourself...though for most people CB is the best option in the short-term and their costs are worth paying for not needing to worry about the affiliate side etc.

            However, it can be a pain to link CB sales etc into a bigger funnel...plus JV brokers run a mile unless you have your own in-house affiliate program as CB hasn't got a 2nd tier or good enough tracking stats.

            The best way to see WHY Eben Pagan is not using CB is to buy his DYD product - then see what he's trying to sell to you next :-)

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            Hi Gary,

            As for the in-house affiliate program. I do have JVManger 2,
            but I wonder, if I use JVManger 2 to track the sales for my
            JV. And if some of their customers put their own hoplink when
            order. Does that mean I will have to pay both my JV partner
            and the clickbank commission thief? Since they are both
            tracked by 2 different systems?

            I do own a lot of DYD products, had spent thousands on them
            since 2004.

            Terry
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            • Profile picture of the author Joshua Uebergang
              Terry, you got JV manager 2 aka Fantasos? You bet you can track your sales of the JV and a whole lot bl***y more with Fantasos!

              I think you're better off letting Fantasos run your affiliate and JV program - and use another payment processor like paypal.

              And if some of their customers put their own hoplink when
              order. Does that mean I will have to pay both my JV partner
              and the clickbank commission thief?
              Unless you're in the IM niche, this is rare. If someone uses their own hoplink, they are the affiliate and you're JV partner misses the sale (unless it's second tier).

              It seems you're relatively new with Fantasos because if you have it you should be using it for nearly everything. Charge it up. It can run an online empire.

              As for the Get Altitude content, I haven't got around to checking it out. Given his business experience comes from DYD, even though he may not directly refer to the business, you can bet that what he teaches in Get Altitude is based on his learnings from DYD.
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              • Profile picture of the author Terry Ma
                Originally Posted by Joshua Uebergang View Post

                Terry, you got JV manager 2 aka Fantasos? You bet you can track your sales of the JV and a whole lot bl***y more with Fantasos!

                I think you're better off letting Fantasos run your affiliate and JV program - and use another payment processor like paypal.

                Unless you're in the IM niche, this is rare. If someone uses their own hoplink, they are the affiliate and you're JV partner misses the sale (unless it's second tier).

                It seems you're relatively new with Fantasos because if you have it you should be using it for nearly everything. Charge it up. It can run an online empire.

                As for the Get Altitude content, I haven't got around to checking it out. Given his business experience comes from DYD, even though he may not directly refer to the business, you can bet that what he teaches in Get Altitude is based on his learnings from DYD.
                Yes Joshua, you've got it right. I bought Fantasos but haven't
                started using it yet.

                How much was Altitude sold for? Is it still available for sales?

                I have another question about Clickbank if you can answer,
                you see, these days more merchants are using those exit pop-up
                virtual agents to offer a $30 discount (or so).

                Now, for example, if the product sells for $97, and pays the
                affiliate 60% commission, when if offers the visitor $30 off
                to $67. Will the affiliate be automatically adjusted to the
                60% at $67 and not $97?

                I supposed it should be, but when I check the Clickbank marketplace,
                it only says $xx amount pay out, but it doesn't state that
                there's two possibilities?

                I will be much appreciated if you can tell me.

                Yours sincerely,

                Terry
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        • Profile picture of the author Terry Ma
          Originally Posted by Joshua Uebergang View Post

          Get Altitude has 15 solid DVDs and a professionally designed manual.

          If you're going to build an empire of products, like Eben, the last thing you'd do is tie yourself to the crap of clickbank. It's system is flawed. They rip about 10% of your earnings. I doubt clickbank can enable a 100%+ commission payout anyway.
          That's true Joshua.

          Do the 15 DVDs and Manual cover how he runs his DYD business & site?
          How he started etc?
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          • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
            Terry,

            I have the DVD's, and this is my best business purchase since 2006.

            My recommendation: Do not think one minute more, get this.

            You'll know the secrets of a $20 million business per year.

            I liked the part (don't remember which DVD) when Eben asks: who are you is split testing everyday? Eben himself was amazed about the response.

            The whole Dvd's are awesome. There are info that you will never find anywhere else, because people are not aware of this.

            Franck.

            Originally Posted by Terry Ma View Post

            That's true Joshua.

            Do the 15 DVDs and Manual cover how he runs his DYD business & site?
            How he started etc?
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt MacPherson
    Because ClickBank has way too many flaws and does not allow commission payouts past 75%.

    The DYD eBook is his front-end product that opens the door to all his extremely high priced physical products. Simply put, he makes a *killing* on the back-end.

    He's a great marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hendry Lee
    Perhaps you are right. That "control" thing does make sense, but...

    Let's bug Eben enough that he creates a video for us to answer that question. Will be in terms of educational value. Do you think it's possible?
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Ma
      Originally Posted by Hendry Lee View Post

      Perhaps you are right. That "control" thing does make sense, but...

      Let's bug Eben enough that he creates a video for us to answer that question. Will be in terms of educational value. Do you think it's possible?
      Great idea, is it possible to reach him here?
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      • Profile picture of the author Joshua Uebergang
        Originally Posted by Terry Ma View Post

        Great idea, is it possible to reach him here?
        Not that I know of. He's a hard to reach man... maybe that's why he's so productive and successful. If you want to get into contact with him, you're best bet is attending seminars.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Uebergang
    I think altitude is $3000. And no, it's not available for sale.

    I don't know that clickbank answer. I'd guess it just is 60% of the new clickbank price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Money on the Side
    I sat through the videos and didn't really pick anything up. It's more of a general business course than anything else. He tells you to build a customer avatar and sell to it...benefits...customer relationships, etc.

    Don't get me wrong. Pagan is a marketing genius..,I just didn't find anything from the videos that you could put into play. It was more like college business class (but real world).
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Ma
      Originally Posted by killercopy View Post

      I sat through the videos and didn't really pick anything up. It's more of a general business course than anything else. He tells you to build a customer avatar and sell to it...benefits...customer relationships, etc.

      Don't get me wrong. Pagan is a marketing genius..,I just didn't find anything from the videos that you could put into play. It was more like college business class (but real world).
      I see Brian, so if I was to learn about how he actually runs
      the DYD site, this wouldn't be the course then?
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  • Profile picture of the author lexilexi
    Damn... Clickbank's not exactly flavor of the month round here, is it.

    There are a few several-million-a-year businesses operating through Clickbank though, aren't there?

    I think Terry Ma IS Eben Pagan in disguise, and he's just having a good laugh at all these posts...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Interesting ClickBank facts (according to their blog)

    - They sell something to someone every 4 seconds...
    - They regularly do over $1,000,000 a day...

    I find that ClickBank is good for lead in products that offer very high affiliate commissions to attract super affiliates. Rolling with this model requires you to have a strong back-end offer.

    In addition to a strong back-end offer you really need many front end products directing your market to that back-end. ClickBank's distribution channels work best if you play the numbers, meaning a lot of lead in products solving very specific problems that can all lead into the same or very similar back-end products (preferably a continuity).

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    • Profile picture of the author lisa mesa
      A quick point about clickbank that most people seem to miss.

      With all the products on reverse engineering clickbank top selling products it can make sense not to use that site. All that sales data is valuable- why expose it to the world?

      CB is good for getting started online but any serious business will protect its sales data and look to have more control over contact with affiliates.
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        Originally Posted by lisa mesa View Post

        A quick point about clickbank that most people seem to miss.

        With all the products on reverse engineering clickbank top selling products it can make sense not to use that site. All that sales data is valuable- why expose it to the world?

        CB is good for getting started online but any serious business will protect its sales data and look to have more control over contact with affiliates.

        That's very true...

        On the other hand, let me play devil's advocate for a moment, there is a large and rapidly growing number of "true" Super Affiliates who, given the choice between products of equal value, appeal and conversion, will choose to promote the one that goes through ClickBank every single time.

        Simply because they "know" they will get paid.

        That's one of the main reasons why books like truthaboutabs can and are doing 3 million a year through clickbank, and more. The affiliates know for a fact they will get paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave777
    Originally Posted by Terry Ma View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    Does anyone know why doesn't Eben Pagan sell his
    Double your Dating ebook on Clickbank?

    Yes, Clickbank doesn't sell physical products, but
    he does have a $19.95 ebook as his lead product.

    I have been paying notice to how he markets
    his ebook for over 4 years, and witnessed how
    the DYD company grew.

    It's just amazing that he actually got deals with
    HUGE and super famous websites to endorse his
    ebook, way back in 2004. (The likes of Tickle.com)

    Nevertheless, I suddenly wonder, why isn't he
    using Clickbank to recruit affiliates to promote
    his ebook?

    In fact, if you just look at his site, it seems
    that he isn't even recruiting any affiliates at all!

    Yet, he actually pays out a 200% commission
    for the ebook. (Yes, 200%)

    I have lost track to check on him since
    last year coz I was starting to get busy on
    my own Internet Business, so I don't exactly
    know when he got famous in the Money Making
    market and what the Altitude course teaches.

    Did anyone here buy his Altitude course?
    I heard it was somewhere around $5000?

    Does the course include how he promoted the DYD
    ebook and website?

    Thank you for reading this long post everyone,
    input will be much appreciated!

    Yours sincerely,

    Terry
    Just in case some aren't aware, there is a way to sell physical products with Clickbank as warrior Robert Plank shared awhile back...
    Clickbank Allows You to Sell Physical Products

    Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Plank
      Originally Posted by Dave777 View Post

      Just in case some aren't aware, there is a way to sell physical products with Clickbank as warrior Robert Plank shared awhile back...
      Clickbank Allows You to Sell Physical Products

      Dave
      Dave, yep you can sell physical products on Clickbank as a SUPPLEMENTAL item. So basically they pay for your digital product and you send the physical product for "free" after the buy.

      Because it's done that way, Clickbank can still refund them for any reason -- even if they sneeze -- and you're still out the physical product. Many people get into selling physical products to make the refund process more difficult than digital delivery... they have to ship the product back to you.

      With physical products on Clickbank, the buyer could keep the digital AND physical versions, and walk away from the refund without any kind of tracking / fraud investgation.
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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        Terry I suspect he is not using CB to have more control of his product and branding including the commission issue ... just my .02

        Also if you go to youtube and search for him you can find quit a bit out and a few answers to your questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hendry Lee
    While selling physical product is possible, CB's limit on price is not something that matches Eben's business I guess.

    I am sure he has many other reasons, but certain CB is not an option.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyCamden
    Get Altitude is an absolute amazing 15 DVD sets. Eben talks a lot about Double Your Dating and gives you some of the secrets to how he built that business.

    Eben is a true asset to the business and IM community. I have a good feeling that he will be coming out with some awesome internet marketing products in the near future! He is one of my favorites.
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  • Profile picture of the author andrewell
    Good marketer no doubt. I was a DYD affiliate for awhile even sold a few and I have the product. He offered a good percentage of the sale. Did anyone ever notice that it ONLY paid IF the customer bought on the first visit? It's was the small print of course. Not sure if it's still that way because I haven't promoted it in a couple years. Might EP be smarter than you thought?
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