An easy way to monetize your list with mlm

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This is for the info marketers or affiliate marketers that don't like mlm.

So what if YOU don't want to build an mlm business, doesn't mean that lots of the people on your lists won't be interested in it.

I'm NOT preaching that you should join one either...we'd get in a huge debate over the value proposition.

But, here's a simple way that you can monetize your list further.

Most people in the MLM industry still don't know how to generate their own leads and yet are constantly searching for new hot lead sources.

So instead of looking for CPA offers to drive your leads to, why not just find a couple MLMers to buy leads from you. Agree on a price - somewhere between $1-$4 per lead and have people on your list simply respond to a simple email that directs them to email you their name and phone number for a great new opportunity or way to generate income at home.

MLMers will always buy fresh biz opp leads with phone numbers.

I'm not going to give you copy, but I get tons of people emailing me when I send out offers like that, and of course, I use the leads myself, but I could just as easily sell them to others in the industry.

These leads are normally even much better for the MLMer, because lead companies tend to resell and resell...so if they get decent results from your leads, they'll keep buying from you regularly. Now you've got a nice flow of extra cash.

BTW - MLMers are not hard to find, they all have replicated MLM websites...

Try it out...I think it's a great way to make at least an extra couple hundred or more a month without much effort on your part.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    I wouldn't direct my valued prospects and customers into
    any MLM business because I don't believe in the business
    model.

    So what if I can make a few bucks in the process!

    I won't give my prospects and customers a potential bum
    steer.

    I much prefer to have my own business where I'm in 100%
    control of the marketing process.

    Dedicated to your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author fred67
    I think you're clutching at straws here - You seem to have a very out-dated view of MLM opportunities 'and' the people who are successful promoting them.

    So-called internet marketers and also bricks & mortar businesses all use the MLM concept to their advantage - it's called the referral or affiliate system. The only difference being, MLM gives far more back to it's customers than any other business model on the planet. I'll give everyone here on this forum another two years at most before MLM becomes the 'Norm' for their own marketing. Especially with the 'new' ethical marketing vogue that's now in full swing :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      MLM is not the same as affiliate marketing.

      MLM has been telling the sheeple that MLM will become
      the norm since the early 70s and the new wave still
      hasn't come yet.

      MLM sucks as a business model because it relies on a
      lot of other people taking action for you to make decent
      money.

      MLM is great in theory - it just doesn't work in the real
      world for most people.

      Dedicated to your success,

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      • Profile picture of the author fred67
        [QUOTE=Shaun OReilly;2733091]MLM is not the same as affiliate marketing.



        MLM sucks as a business model because it relies on a
        lot of other people taking action for you to make decent
        money.

        And ..... Affiliate marketing, internet marketing doesn't EH??

        I suggest a good nights sleep. You'll wake up refreshed and able to look at the absurdity of your statement then :-)

        Try telling Donald Trump that MLM doesn't work, or Richard Branson.
        Both are among the 'many' established 'names' that are using it to great effect at present don't worry.
        Plus ... THEY are not afraid to call it MLM either :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
          Originally Posted by fred67 View Post

          Try telling Donald Trump that MLM doesn't work, or Richard Branson.
          Both are among the 'many' established 'names' that are using it to great effect at present don't worry.
          Plus ... THEY are not afraid to call it MLM either :-)
          I never said that MLM doesn't work for the creator of
          the business 'opportunity.'

          In fact, these business owners are selling the business
          opportunity, they're not buying them!

          Neither did Branson nor Trump make their money by starting
          in MLM. They're not distributors either - they're selling
          distributorships and profiting in the process. (They're
          on the other side of the counter).

          In fact, it's usually the founders of the MLM and the
          most persistent distributors who make the most of the
          money in MLM.

          The vast majority of people get into MLM with high
          expectations and then fizzle out because they can't
          get it to work for them.

          Like I said, MLM is a great idea in theory but totally
          impractical for the majority of people.

          Keep drinking the MLM Kool-Aid if you want to.

          I'll focus on building MY business where I'm 100% in
          control of the most important leverage part of all -
          the marketing.

          (Hint: In MLM it's the business opportunity creator who
          dictates what marketing methods can and cannot be
          used).

          Dedicated to your success,

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          • Profile picture of the author fred67
            I'm not an MLM Kool aid person. I just can't stand the hypocricy touted by MOST IMers about MLM when 'they' are utilising the very concept themselves - You included if you have any sort of business.
            Your grasp of MLM is obviously very limited. Maybe it 'was' the 70's when you last checked it out. Every business operates on Multi-levels, it has to if it's to survive - Check out Rich Schefrens business manifesto - he's treated as a bit of a business God (Quite rightly I think as well) you'll see just how many levels most businesses go down, and all have to be paid somewhere along the line out of the 'marketing' budget that every secure business 'has' to allow.

            MLM is no different, it's just more transparent about 'where' the money is paid.

            As for only the top people making any money??
            Surely you're thinking Ponzi or Pyramid - they are certainl;y NOT the same marketing concept, sorry if that was your perception :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
              A lot of money in MLM is made by selling the opportunity
              as well as from selling the product or service related to
              the opportunity.

              Again MLM is NOT the same as affiliate marketing in a
              number of distinctly important ways.

              You don't usually need to pay a company to become an
              affiliate in their program. In MLM you need to pay the
              company fees to be able to offer the opportunity - and
              that's because it's an important way that the business
              owner and top distributors make money.

              Plus, you need to meet volume targets in an MLM to even
              get commissions. In an affiliate program, you get paid a
              percentage for whatever sales you make.

              Most affiliate programs go to one level only - so they're
              not multi-level - by definition.

              Hey - continue to think that MLM is a cool idea if it works
              for you. Years ago I thought MLM was a good idea too until
              I found out how it's set-up and who makes the real money
              in the 'opportunity.'

              And having my own business on the Internet where I control
              all of the marketing and product creation is a much better
              option for me.

              Dedicated to your success,

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      • Profile picture of the author MLMTraining
        This is the craziest reason NOT to do something yet...

        In fact, it's usually the founders of the MLM and the
        most persistent distributors who make the most of the
        money in MLM.
        Of course it's the most persistent distributors that make the most of the money.
        It's also the most persistent human beings on planet earth that are the most successful...

        That's really a strange way to explain why mlm is not good.

        Besides, my original post was intended to help IMers that are struggling to monetize their lists, by pointing out that MLMers are more than happy to give you good money for leads that you can generate for them.

        If you're using SEO methods or even inexpensive ways to generate your list how can you possibly think that it's not a good ideas to sell SOME of those names to another business that is willing to buy them.

        The majority of people online are subscribed to SO MANY internet marketers lists anyway...it's not like it's YOUR EXCLUSIVE LEAD!!!! It's crazy to think that you shouldn't take the extra money...so what if you sell your ebook or sell your data.
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        • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
          Originally Posted by MLMTraining View Post

          If you're using SEO methods or even inexpensive ways to generate your list how can you possibly think that it's not a good ideas to sell SOME of those names to another business that is willing to buy them.
          I've already said that I wouldn't pass my subscriber or
          customer details onto anyone else - let alone onto a
          MLM distributor.

          I don't think MLM is a good idea - so why in the hell
          would I expose my valued subscribers and customers
          to the idea?

          I focus on delivering what I consider to be valuable
          products and services to my own subscribers.

          Not everyone will do something just for a buck.

          Dedicated to your success,

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          • Profile picture of the author MLMTraining
            I'm NOT preaching that you should join one either...we'd get in a huge debate over the value proposition.
            I thought I already addressed this for your personal opinion of MLM...but I guess I wasn't that clear.

            The majority of products sold by MLM's are identical or sometimes higher quality than the same that you would find throughout every other method of distribution in the world.

            I really didn't want to get in a discussion about validating the distribution model, but I'm happy to go toe to toe with anyone that wants to attack it.

            I still feel my suggestions are highly valid for Internet Marketers - especially those trying to maybe increase their revenue from leads they are generating so that they can run a profitable home business.

            CPA offers provide the same opportunity, but most small time IMers can't get into the good networks or generate enough leads to make it worthwhile. I use some of the CPA networks to monetize my own lists and I'm actually sending my contacts to other network marketing distributors...does this sound crazy to you? If it does...just ignore the post, it's not for you.

            I have a mindset of abundance which tell me:

            Generate my leads
            Sponsor the ones that are interested
            Monetize the ones that aren't interested
            Use that money to generate more leads

            Don't think that the IM make money marketplace is any different than the MLM one...we're all playing the same game and in the same market.
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            • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
              Originally Posted by MLMTraining View Post

              I have a mindset of abundance which tell me:

              Generate my leads
              Sponsor the ones that are interested
              Monetize the ones that aren't interested
              Use that money to generate more leads
              I have a mindset of abundance as well and have been
              involved in the field of personal development for over
              15 years.

              I've also got a conscience too.

              One of the principles I run my business on is that I don't
              ask people to do things that I wouldn't do myself or that
              I don't think are truly valuable and in their best interests.

              I've been self-employed for 10 years now and I see no
              reason to change my foundational principles now.

              Hey - some people will be happy to sell their leads on -
              but I sure as hell won't.

              Dedicated to your success,

              Shaun
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              • Profile picture of the author fred67
                Shaun. I accidentally came accross this video on Youtube by Robert Kyosaki (Rich Dad - Poor Dad)

                I think you'll find what he has to say about MLM very interesting http://is.gd/g5od0

                Good luck :-)
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                • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
                  Originally Posted by fred67 View Post

                  Shaun. I accidentally came accross this video on Youtube by Robert Kyosaki (Rich Dad - Poor Dad)

                  I think you'll find what he has to say about MLM very interesting http://is.gd/g5od0

                  Good luck :-)
                  I'm already aware of Robert Kyosaki, have read most of his
                  books and even have his Cashflow 101 and 102 games.

                  In fact, I've even got a CD of him emphaizing the benefits
                  of Network Marketing.

                  I love his writing style and have benefited from many of
                  his ideas.

                  However even a mild anyalysis will show you that Robert
                  Kiyosaki didn't make his money from Network Marketing at
                  all.

                  In fact, according to John T. Reed, Robert Kiyosaki didn't
                  even make the most of his money from Real Estate either
                  but that's another story:

                  John T. Reed's analysis of Robert T. Kiyosaki's book Rich Dad, Poor Dad

                  Instead, Robert Kiyosaki has made most of his money from
                  selling books and information products relating to his field
                  of expertise.

                  Big difference.

                  Kiyosaki is making money by giving speeches and selling books
                  on how people should do MLM rather than him actively 'doing
                  a MLM business' himself. I don't think Kiyosaki has gone out
                  there 'showing the plan' to anyone.

                  Note. I'm not saying that MLM isn't a valid business model
                  for some people. There are some real MLM professionals out
                  there, as Tsnyder illustrates.

                  You'll likely be familiar with the Cashflow Quadrant (Employee,
                  Self-Employed, Business Owner and Investor).

                  There are many routes to wealth and I've chosen to build
                  my OWN business where I'm 100% responsible for the results
                  and I control the marketing 100% too.

                  In MLM, the creator of the business opportunity TELLS YOU
                  how you can (and cannot) promote the business. They TELL
                  YOU what to charge and they TELL YOU what your profit
                  margins are at each level.

                  That's not a real business in my opinion and I know that you
                  and others may differ.

                  The ultimate leverage point in business is the marketing and
                  I want to be in 100% control of that and in MLM that's just
                  not possible.

                  Dedicated to your success,

                  Shaun
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                  • Profile picture of the author fred67
                    Great reply Shaun - thanks for the banter (Seriously) - Good luck :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
              Originally Posted by MLMTraining View Post

              Don't think that the IM make money marketplace is any different than the MLM one...we're all playing the same game and in the same market.
              Was Pay It Forward 4 Profits MLM?

              I think a lot people relate Multi Loser Marketing to experiences they've had with companies like Amway. Did you make any money when you were with Amway?

              I think a large part of the resistance from IMers about MLM is because quite a few people who look to IM as a way to ditch the 9 to 5 don't want to be held captive to "the Company" and tied to their downline or limited to selling the products most mainstream MLM companies sell.

              It's a different mindset. Those people who want to be part of a larger organization will gravitate towards MLM because of the ability to feel part of a group, and to commiserate with one another, or even rejoice in each others progress.

              Regarding the trading of money for leads I don't see how this is any different than any other CPA offer. Except when it comes to subjecting your list to the tactics that many aggressive MLM devotees tend to use. That's a breach of trust that is without excuse.

              ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author fred67
    There comes a time when "wood and trees" are blatantly obvious.
    As it's not my vocation to educate you I'll wish you well in your delusional state :-)

    There's room for everyone as they say - Good luck :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
      I'm a business owner, not a business 'opportunity' buyer.

      Neither am I deluded.

      If you think MLM is a good idea for you - have at it.

      I'm 100% clear that MLM is not for me and I've stated
      in my posts above the specific reasons why.

      Dedicated to your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    In fact, it's usually the founders of the MLM and the
    most persistent distributors who make the most of the
    money in MLM.
    As is true in any business.

    The vast majority of people get into MLM with high
    expectations and then fizzle out because they can't
    get it to work for them.
    As is true in any business... most certainly true in internet
    marketing as evidenced by the volume of posts on this forum
    every day from people who purchased this or that system
    with high expectations but it fizzled out because they can't
    get it to work for them.

    You don't usually need to pay a company to become an
    affiliate in their program.
    Because most affiliate programs provide nothing close to the
    level of business tools and support offered by any legitimate
    MLM company.

    In MLM you need to pay the company fees to be able to offer
    the opportunity - and that's because it's an important way that
    the business owner and top distributors make money.
    Top distributors... or any distributors for that matter... make nothing
    on sign up fees. That is illegal. The grand total required to become a
    distributor for the company I represent is $59. For that outrageous sum
    of money the new rep gets the full range of business tools provided by
    the company including a couple of personalized websites.

    I'm having a hard time imagining the company getting rich on the $59
    based on what they provide in exchange. The money is made from actual
    sales of products and services to real customers.

    I have a ton of local businesses using my product/service because
    it's a quality product/service that we deliver better, faster and cheaper
    than any of our brick and mortar competition.

    It's really a no-brainer for those who understand business and pay attention.

    None of this is meant to convince Shaun, or anyone else, of the
    viability of this company. The thing I've always liked best about MLM
    is the fact that I get to choose who I do business with. I don't need
    to recruit everyone who can fog a mirror in order to be successful.
    I only look for people who are looking for what I offer.

    Contrary to erroneous public perception by those who don't know, or have
    had a negative experience, true professionals in MLM aren't looking to build
    an army... we're looking to attract, train and nurture solid leaders. That's
    the ONLY way it works long term in this... or any other... business.

    Tsnyder
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  • Profile picture of the author fred67
    P.S. I thought I'd better just qualify my last post - I 'do' still believe wholeheartedly in the concept of MLM/Network marketing.
    PLUS ... I couldn't possibly agree that Robert Kiyosaki makes his money through promoting his books.
    (They are just an 'Upsell' as we all know :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Hi Joel;

    I do work with a group of MLMers, but I am a Warrior also.

    They (we) tend to be a skeptical bunch about this.

    I think the best way to go about showing us your concept is to demonstrate and show them the proof.

    You may or may not think that part is worth it, but it will definitely prove the point you are making. Until then, you may have to accept that there might be some skepticism.

    Peace,
    CT
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Originally Posted by Black Magick View Post

    I actually wrote an article about why so many people fail in Network Marketing. You'd be surprised why the failure rate is so high, because the reasons are so simple.
    Good thoughts, ld...

    I am not sure that the reasons would be different at a fundamental level than any other business. What is interesting is that the independent nature of being an internet marketer mirrors being in MLM now. That may or may not be true.

    The thing about internet marketing is that it can be more a trade than a business; but you start making money when you stop expect people to tell you exactly what to do every day. Trust me, you would think that a professor of business would know that. I did not and struggled. I can't say that I have arrived where I want to be, but people can make their dreams come true when they can break the shackles of industrialism (the factory mindset). In this way, MLMer and IMers are EXACTLY the same.

    Thus, many of the 'failure reasons', are essentially the same in both ways of generating cash. Ultimately if a person does not have their own list that they can generate at will, they will have a tough road to hoe in any industry, long term. I have learned the hard way that if you are willing to crawl over cut glass to build your list, you will have a business. If you can build that list in multiple automated ways, you can be a bad mutha shut yo mouth.

    (For those of you to young to remember..."bad mutha shut yo mouth" was from the song SHAFT, by Issac Hayes...yeah I said it. I am a child of the 70's and 80's...what of it)

    Peace,
    CT
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  • Profile picture of the author ace0_0
    The fact that billionaires like Kiyosaki, Trump, and Buffet were all introduced to the MLM business model after they became billionaires doesn't make it any less credible; in fact on their rise to becoming billionaires they must have developed a keen sense to know what can work and what can't.

    Even though I'm in network marketing I can understand the skepticism of IMers. There is much to gain by being totally independent of a company the way being a sole IMer allows you to be but that doesn't mean that the two worlds have to be mutually exclusive. There is a great deal of wealth that can be made when you combine the two, in fact you can even build a network marketing team comprised predominantly of internet marketers the results will be extraordinary.

    Individuals wanting to be independent of a parent company can be seen in the corporate sector as well, take the recording industry for example. There are the parent companies (Universal, MCA, Interscope etc.) that lord over the industry and impose their way of doing things, but more and more you are finding that the artists are creating their own record companies WITHIN the parent companies. Take Frank Sinatra for example, back in the 60's he did not see eye to eye with his parent record company capitol records and decided to form his own label (Reprise Records) within the company. Reprise records grew more successful than anyone had ever imagined it would and even launched the career of Jimi Hendrix; this type of thing is commonplace in the music industry now.

    Network marketing is no different. If your major hang up is on the fact that when you join a company you operate under their wing then you can simply create your own separate entity that sells products/services in relation to what your network marketing company offers and you can reap the benefits of both worlds. Building an MLM business like this can be made extremely powerful and gives the individual far more control over who joins their business and how that business operates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
    Originally Posted by LD Carter View Post

    @ Charles Harper,
    Could you please tell me what did you use to get your signature the way it is? The link titles, I mean.
    If you want it underlined, you put inside tags.

    At the bottom of each page of the forum, there's a link to the BB codes you can use.

    WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums - BB Code List
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