EzineArticles is a waist of time and traffic

14 years ago

Do not agree with you at all about this based on my experience as an avid article marketer ... piggy backing off the authority of Ezine Articles drives thousands of clicks to my sites!

That said I do agree that it is important to do good on site SEO including writing keyword based content.

John

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Richard Van 14 years ago

Hey Don,

I hear what you're saying and in your case your site out ranks the same article when posted to Ezine. Point is, surely having 2 ranking is better than just one on your site.

EDIT...Dam it Steve, you type way to fast!
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Don Plourde

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mangozoom

Do not agree with you at all about this based on my experience as an avid article marketer ... piggy backing off the authority of Ezine Articles drives thousands of clicks to my sites!

That said I do agree that it is important to do good on site SEO including writing keyword based content.

John

I know what your saying about their being an authority site. But I believe that Google is not passing any of that authority on to the individual pages on the EzineArticle network anymore. Mind you I'm just guessing as no one knows what Google is doing.

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Mangozoom

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Plourde

I know what your saying about their being an authority site. But I believe that Google is not passing any of that authority on to the individual pages on the EzineArticle network anymore. Mind you I'm just guessing as no one knows what Google is doing.

I work on the premise that Google and the other SE really like Eza and therefore want my content on there.

It seems to be working for me and I often end up ranking with more than keyword on page one as a result. For example I have a DIY niche where I am in position 1, 2, 4 & 7 on page one ... yay I nearly own Google

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Okay, this is just BAD advice. In fact, it's the worst advice I've read at this
forum in a very long time.

Here is why you should NOT ignore article directories.

Contrary to what you might think, not everybody finds articles through
the SERPs. Some people go DIRECTLY to the article directories.

Why?

Because like it or not, John Doe is more likely to trust an authority site like
Ezine Articles over your "Sallymakescrabcakes.com" newbie disaster. I don't
care how high up your article makes it up the SERPs. You're still a nobody
next to EZA for these people.

Also, many of these people are looking for content for their OWN sites.
This means backlinks for you as well as potential visitors to YOUR site.

And yes, some high PR sites use articles from directories.

Why?

How do you think they got to BE high PR sites? They learned the value
of content syndication.

You think they ALL write their own articles?

No...they hire some dude to go scrounge through the directories and
post content to their site FROM those directories.

It's called outsourcing...and it works.

In addition to this, no way in hell is your site going to outrank EZA in
the early stages, especially in a very competitive niche.

So why not take advantage of the additional traffic they will send you?

Sure, put the articles on your own site, but ignoring the directories
altogether is the worst advice I have seen posted here since my first
day at this forum.

And that is saying a lot.

Folks, follow the OPs advice at your own peril.

Had I done what he's suggesting when I first started article marketing, I'd
still probably be scraping out a few bucks a month from a tin can.

Un-freakin-believable.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

And yes, some high PR sites use articles from directories.

Why?

How do you think they got to BE high PR sites? They learned the value
of content syndication.

You think they ALL write their own articles?

No...they hire some dude to go scrounge through the directories and
post content to their site FROM those directories.

It's called outsourcing...and it works.

Yeah, I've just recently started paying attention to where my articles are ending up since I just started article marketing for myself (as opposed to clients) and I've seen some picked up by some real authorities in extremely competitive niches. I was surprised.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Sure, put the articles on your own site, but ignoring the directories
altogether is the worst advice I have seen posted here since my first
day at this forum.

Hate to interrupt the rant (

) or hijack the thread, but Steve, can you quickly give me your opinion on using the articles on your own site first? Is that a good idea, or are you just saying that's not altogether a horrible one? Is it necessary to rewrite them before you submit to the directories?

I respect your opinion based on your posts on this forum, so I'm interested to hear your input on this as I've been thinking of doing that. I've always written completely different articles for the directories in the past.

Cheers,
James

EDIT: Ah, I just got done reading through the long, long thread about putting an article onsite or Ezine first from a while back and can see this is a touchy subject around here. LOL At any rate, I just had a lot of my illusions broken down and am going to reclaim some articles I posted on Eza a long time ago and get some more use out of them.

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Marhelper

14 years ago

Why not do both? Use it on your site first THEN submit it to EZA. etc... .

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Mangozoom 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Marhelper

Why not do both? Use it on your site first THEN submit it to EZA. etc... .

Agree with you ... not either (pronounced eye ther) or either (pronounced ee ther) but the genius of the both!

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

(sounds of snoring come from the keyboard)

Somebody wake me up when this drivel has ended.

Do both!

Duh!

(I'm getting too old for this nonsense)
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- sal64 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim
  
  (sounds of snoring come from the keyboard)
  
  Somebody wake me up when this drivel has ended.
  
  Do both!
  
  Duh!
  
  (I'm getting too old for this nonsense)
  
  So why bother replying???
  
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matsumoto2307 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Marhelper

Why not do both? Use it on your site first THEN submit it to EZA. etc... .

Hey,

Wouldn't you have to write 2 different articles? I heard EZA don't like that you submit same article in different locations. Tell me if I'm wrong!

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- Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by mivka_mathieu
  
  I heard EZA don't like that you submit same article in different locations. Tell me if I'm wrong!
  
  You're very wrong, Mivka, to be honest.
  
  Not only do they like, but they expressly suggest it.
  
  In their email course sent out to all the new authors who opt in for it, they advise people to submit to EZA copies of any suitable "article" material already published on their own sites/blogs. And even forum posts they've made which are long enough. And they have a special Wordpress plugin available so that people can post articles on their own blogs and at the same time submit them to EZA for later publication there. Can't be much clearer than that, can it? The idea that EZA publish only material that hasn't already been published is just one of those widespread urban myths of internet marketing of which there are so many.
  
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JMoney172

14 years ago

This is exactly why many people believe in posting your content to your own site first before you syndicate it. While some people use articles as the top level in a traffic funnel, many others use them to create backlinks and therefore higher search rankings for their own pages. Using them in both ways you might even find that your articles rank for keywords that you didn't even think of and bring you even more traffic.

That's the beauty of article marketing.

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cashcow

14 years ago

Yeah, do both....for gods sake get your content out everywhere you can - LEVERAGE it!

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redfoxseo

14 years ago

The point of an Ezine article for me is to gain valuable links to my main site. How am I going to do that by serving it on my domain?

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IamPower 14 years ago

Originally Posted by redfoxseo

The point of an Ezine article for me is to gain valuable links to my main site. How am I going to do that by serving it on my domain?

Well Said - I was looking to see if anyone will say this...Thats the whole point of my article submission - If I get traffic in return because of the article, thats great, but I am not too worried about that if I'm going to rank highest for the keywords I need to.

=)

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mikebrooks

14 years ago

Ezine Articles is just another tool in the getting found arsenal. When you can take one thing you've done and find many different ways to use it to get yourself clicks, you've got leverage.

So yes, put it on your blog, submit it to Ezine Articles, Submit it to all the other free article sites, turn it into a powerpoint presentation and make a video of it then syndicate to all the video sites, read it into an audio and syndicate it to podcast sites, re-word it into a press release.

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petevamp

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Plourde

I know I'm going to ruffle a few feathers here when I say that EzineArticles or any article submission site for that matter is a not the best choice when using your content to drive traffic to your websites. What you should be doing is using the content you create on your own websites or blogs. Now I know a lot of people here will argue that if done correctly you can do well with article submission. They will get no argument from me all I am stating is you will get much more traffic to your own pages and out rank EzineArticles every time with your own pages with the same content.

I have not come to this conclusion lightly, but through a lot of testing of articles that had the same keywords, my webpage's always out rank my articles. I also always received a lot more traffic for my pages then I did for my submitted articles. Now I don't inspect you to take my word for it, but do your own testing and see for yourselves.

You write two articles and optimize those articles with your keyword phrase at 2% density place one on EzineArticles and place the other under a domain the same as your keyword phrase. Optimize both your EzineArticle with the usual stuff like your keyword in the title and writing a nice flowing resource box with your keyword hyperlink in it. Now do the SEO for your webpage you put on your domain. And start to place some good backlinks to both.

Now you tell me is their difference? Stop jumping through hoops to give your content away, when you can use it yourself.

First I would like to point out that you are right about one thing you should be placing the articles on your site. However here is where you are making your mistake.

Take your article and post it to your site first wait for it to get indexed then head out and post it to the other article sites. This way you get to increase the links to your site as well as get people to know that you even exist. I always post to my site and wait for the article to get indexed in google before I post it to any other article site like eza. I then make sure to add a link in the resource box back to the original article for the given keyword I wanted to rank for in the first place. I will then rewrite the article a couple of times and point it to the eza article from a few other article sites. This works well if done right so dont sit there and say you should only post your articles to your site when you can use that same article a few more times with out getting penalized in any way.

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sellerscompanion

14 years ago

Ezinearticles is just one tool in a person's arsenal when it comes to getting traffic. I believe (from experience) that it still works, but you have to combine it with good quality content, SEO on your site and many other things to make it work. However, saying that Ezinearticles doesn't work anymore when you don't appear to have any proof of that is just wrong.

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Don Plourde

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sellerscompanion

Ezinearticles is just one tool in a person's arsenal when it comes to getting traffic. I believe (from experience) that it still works, but you have to combine it with good quality content, SEO on your site and many other things to make it work. However, saying that Ezinearticles doesn't work anymore when you don't appear to have any proof of that is just wrong.

I never said EzineArticles doesn't work, I said I get better traffic from posting it on my own pages under my own domain. As far as getting links from Ezines, Yes you might get lucky and every once in a while get some backlinks from your articles that others publish, but 90% of the backlinks generated have no value.

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Plourde

I never said EzineArticles doesn't work, I said I get better traffic from posting it on my own pages under my own domain. As far as getting links from Ezines, Yes you might get lucky and every once in a while get some backlinks from your articles that others publish, but 90% of the backlinks generated have no value.

Where is your proof? You state these things as if they are fact.

They are NOT.

Everybody's results are going to be different based on the niche and the
quality of their articles.

This is the kind of irresponsible "gospel as if it's fact" that drives me
absolutely up the wall.

Again...where is your proof?

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Don Plourde

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Where is your proof? You state these things as if they are fact.

They are NOT.

Everybody's results are going to be different based on the niche and the
quality of their articles.

This is the kind of irresponsible "gospel as if it's fact" that drives me
absolutely up the wall.

Again...where is your proof?

Sir, I have nothing but respect for your opinion on this forum, and I think that anyone who has followed your post over the years like I have would agree you are someone that people should pay attention to when you say something.

I did testing for my own purposes and reasons and it may not be accurate or I may have missed or overlooked something. But I am satisfied enough with the results of my personal testing that I feel that EzineArticles doesn't work for me. Now I could be wrong and I hope I am. As far as proof is concerned I leave it to everyone to do their own testing and find your conclusions for yourself. By doing your own testing you are going to be more satisfied with the results as your testing will meet your own criteria.

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Rob Howard

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Plourde

I never said EzineArticles doesn't work, I said I get better traffic from posting it on my own pages under my own domain. As far as getting links from Ezines, Yes you might get lucky and every once in a while get some backlinks from your articles that others publish, but 90% of the backlinks generated have no value.

Who gives a flying f*** about backlinks?

Article marketing is written for READERS. Meaning, you know, REAL humans!

The value in using places like ezinearticles is the content syndication. They can, and will, spread your content to thousands of new readers you may not be able to reach otherwise.

Sure, put your article on your site first, fine.

The point of the article isn't to get it ranked in the search engine, it's to get it out to the masses.

The SE's is just one way to do it. Another, and sometimes more effective way, is the syndication that comes from the articles.

Also, as Steven puts it, if you understand your audience, having your material on a third party, trusted site, gives YOU, the author, a boost in trust.

Thus, you then presell them, with your content, first. They read it, and if it's really good, helpful information, they love it and will like and trust you.

Then when they visit your site, half the battle for their wallet is won.

Make sense?

Rob

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

One other thing. I had a feeling that there was something really fishy about
this thread.

1. The OP just joined and it was his first post, making an absolutely
outrageous statement, knowing full well it would create a commotion.

2. The site in his sig was registered on the 15th of October.

That was 4 days ago folks.

How much article marketing do you think this guy has really done in 4
days?

This whole thing just smells from the head down.

Call me suspicious but this looks like a troll looking to get his sig seen
or God knows what.
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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Plourde

I never said EzineArticles doesn't work.

Funny, that: I could have sworn I saw the words "EzineArticles is a waste of time" starting off your subject line.

(Apart from "waist" instead of "waste", admittedly).

I must have been hallucinating again. :rolleyes:

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Oh, and there are no articles on the OPs site, so I have NO idea where his
content even is.

Gotta make you wonder if this is the best he can come up with for a sig link.

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mikebrooks

14 years ago

Steve, when I saw this post I thought something was weird about it too. Glad you brought it up.

I love this forum. But this is where it gets dangerous when people trash something that very obviously works for many marketers. The folks who get hurt in this are the ones who are new to IM looking for sound advice.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Oh, and there are no articles on the OPs site, so I have NO idea where his
content even is.

Gotta make you wonder if this is the best he can come up with for a sig link.

:confused::confused::confused:

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Mangozoom

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Plourde

I never said EzineArticles doesn't work, I said I get better traffic from posting it on my own pages under my own domain. As far as getting links from Ezines, Yes you might get lucky and every once in a while get some backlinks from your articles that others publish, but 90% of the backlinks generated have no value.

This is just not true ... I get some great value from backlinks.

Maybe it is how you are applying the magic!

John

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mlord10

14 years ago

There is no "right place" to publish your content online. I try to syndicate my content to as many places as possible, but based on my traffic stats (you know, actually testing stuff) I can tell anyone confidently that ezinearticles is STILL an excellent source of traffic.

The bottom line is that you can syndicate your content all over the web to maximize traffic. So why not do it?

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Anup Mahajan

14 years ago

Well I got my first sale through EZA so I won't agree with your point of view.

Having said that I have also tested Google Sniper method where my site was able to rank high without backlinks from article sites. But you have to understand that if you are planning to get good rankings in a competitive niche then you need lots of help in the form of backlinks from authority sites, EZA being one of them.

People who have said that you must include articles on your site as well as submit it to EZA are right as it will help you to build and retain your rankings over a long period.

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Kay King 14 years ago

Let me throw one comment in here before someone misunderstands articles on sites and EZA.

Most (not all) of the time I put the articles on my sites first. When they are index in a couple days I submit to EZA.

However, in the EZA resource box I do NOT link to the same article on my site - yet I see others doing that. Having a link leading to the identical article on your site is a waste.

If someone comes to my site through an article on EZA the links lead them to similar articles on the topic that are on my site. I do some deep linking and the reader finds more information on the topic.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Magick

Where do I go to submit my articles?

I have a report on my blog (in my sig) that has my personal reccomendation for an article submitter. I'm going to update it with a good list of article sites.

However, if you google on 'article submitter' you will find lots of tools too.

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King Shiloh

Banned 14 years ago

OP, you are right. It is a waist of time but I have been using the wrist.

Probably, you have been using the wrong words, as shown above, in your article marketing, which makes it seem to you that article marketing is a waste of time.

Poor posts like this one exist so that we can appreciate good ones.

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Keyword Prodigy

14 years ago

Better to add content to your own website than to create pages for another website. Why help build Christopher Knight's business?

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Keyword Prodigy

Better to add content to your own website than to create pages for another website.

Why not do both, like most professional article marketers?

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html
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Barry Unruh 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Keyword Prodigy

Better to add content to your own website than to create pages for another website. Why help build Christopher Knight's business?

Because Christopher Knight's business can syndicate my article to hundreds of sites giving me more readers, more links, with less effort.

I want it on my blog first, but I want it there, too.
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- skibbz 14 years ago
  
  I have seen articles on EZA for months and only been able to amass no more than 10-20 views.If one does not understand the nuances behind optimizing their articles it will prove to be a waste of time.
  
  The key is to learn how to optimize your articles properly, do alot of trial and error until you find the key. EZA is not a total waste of time for many here.. they can back it up with results they have obtained and this is all because of the hard work and effort until they figure out how to milk the cow
  
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  Originally Posted by skibbz
  
  The key is to learn how to optimize your articles properly, do alot of trial and error until you find the key.
  
  You can shorten the learning time very quickly. Just look to see what successful authors are doing. Reverse engineering someones strategy on their articles is not very hard.
  
  You can learn writing skills, article formatting, backlink strategies, headline selections, keyword phrases, and other information just by taking a look at the most viewed and most published articles on EZA in your own niches.
  
  Another way to shorten the learning cycle is to find a few trusted people to follow like:
  
  Alexa Smith
  Steven Wagenheim
  Zeus66 (John Schwartz)
  TimG
  
  I'll stop with that group for now. There are about a half dozen others I try to watch consistently to see what they are saying and then test their suggestions. (3 of those 4 have WSO's and I own items from two of them, and subscribe to an RSS feed from another. Still waiting for Alexa's.)
  
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mikebrooks 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Keyword Prodigy

Better to add content to your own website than to create pages for another website. Why help build Christopher Knight's business?

Because in return he will help to build yours.
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Will Edwards

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Don Plourde

Now do the SEO for your webpage you put on your domain. And start to place some good backlinks to both.

And where are you gong to get the backlinks?

... erm ... article directories perhaps?

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Don Plourde 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

And where are you gong to get the backlinks?

... erm ... article directories perhaps?

Will

No I don't think so, I strongly feel that article directories and social bookmarking sites are losing their credibility with Google along with all those web 2 properties. I think Google realizes that a lot of the content on theses sites are just a lot of fat from people trying to game the system. Even tho these sites offer huge amounts of fresh content each day. a lot of it is just rehash of redundant information. I only use them now to get my pages indexed quickly. I try and get my backlinks with other sites that rank well in a related niche to my own. This is difficult and time consuming but well worth it.
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- Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Don Plourde
  
  I try and get my backlinks with other sites that rank well in a related niche to my own. This is difficult and time consuming but well worth it.
  
  That's exactly what I do, Don. That's how my sites rank so well, and get targeted traffic, opt-ins and sales.
  
  I do that very easily, without it being difficult or time-consuming at all.
  
  I just submit all my articles to EZA after they've been indexed on my own sites first, and they gradually get syndicated around some high-PR, high-quality, niche-targeted authority sites. That's what an article directory is - it's a directory from which webmasters source content for their sites (preferably my content!). This is what article marketing's all about, if you use article directories wisely and submit there articles aimed specifically at syndication. Hence the enormous value of EZA to my business.
  
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alexdigital

14 years ago

You just do both, it's simple. In fact it's better to have a different article on site to ones you syndicate.

After your comments I had a quick scan through my analytics on one of my sites and two article directories are in my top 10 of referring sites.

It's backlinks and traffic. What more could you want?!

On saying this however, a well placed blog comment always brings me more traffic, although usually doesn't have much back link value! It's swings and round-a-bouts I guess.

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theleathercollection

14 years ago

I think both should be used, article submission is just such a hassle especially when you have to wait for approval.

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NicoleBeckett

14 years ago

You could have the greatest site in the world, with content that rocks everyone's universe. However, if no one knows you site exists, it does you no good. Submitting to article directories (whether you use EZA or other places) is a great way to get links, drive traffic, and establish yourself as an expert in your niche - all in one swoop.

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