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MikeRogers

15 years ago

Thanks for that post, Steven...

That certainly answers a lot of questions for me.

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Johnson Tay 15 years ago

Steven,

Tried doing CPA networks?
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- Tenzo 15 years ago
  
  There are (or were) certain settings on spybot that caused it to interfere with CB cookies. It didn't have any effect unless those settings were turned on. I've been using spybot for years and never had it override cb cookies-I've checked.
  
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YiKeS

15 years ago

G`day Steve,

makes sense, Clickbank needs to get into the 21st century
and do away with the crappy hoplinks ... Spybot won`t stop
blocking them ... and more people would put trust in Spybot
before CB ... :rolleyes:

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Harvey Segal 15 years ago

Steve

The Spybot problem was reported as solved in March 2008

See
ClickBankSuccessForum.com :: View topic - ClickBank/Spybot problem solved

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- Steven Wagenheim 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal
  
  Steve
  
  The Spybot problem was reported as solved in March 2008
  
  See
  ClickBankSuccessForum.com :: View topic - ClickBank/Spybot problem solved
  
  Harvey
  
  Thanks, I wasn't aware of this. So the hoplink system has been revamped?
  
  Well, then that still doesn't explain my drop in sales, or should I say more
  specifically, conversion rate. Products I was converting 1 in 50 are now 1 in
  100. Nothing has changed. If anything, I have more articles out there, better
  reviews, more credibility and yet I have to do twice as much work to
  make half as many sales per product. If I wasn't selling so many Clickbank
  products, my checks for my main account would be a joke.
  
  So something is still wrong somewhere.
  
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MikeAmbrosio

15 years ago

Steve,

Are you certain this is related to CB totally? Do you sell products through other means, and if so, have your conversions been affected?

Also, do you attribute the drop at all to the economy?

I was talking to a very successful marketer just this week who has as much said that it's been taking many more visitors to his products to make the same # of sales (conversion down). And like you, he says nothing else has changed with the sites, products, etc.

I am curious about this...

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JayXtreme

15 years ago

Mike...

I promote in many different markets and use tons of independents and none of them have seen this drop like CB

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Dmitry

15 years ago

Is it just affiliates that see a serious decline in sales or merchants as well?

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adamv

15 years ago

The economy may have something to do with the crappy sales. I sell my own products, instructional DVDs on drawing techniques. I've been working on SEOing my site and have seen a steady increase in unique visitors but sales are way down.

I have more than doubled the number of unique visitors coming to my site these days but I am selling about 25% of what I was a few months ago with a lot less traffic.

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W.P. Allen

15 years ago

I say to hell with Clickbank. They know there's a problem. They won't address it because it will hurt their business. But they don't give a damn about our businesses.

I'm done with them.

I'd suggest you all do the same (or stay with them and continue losing money).

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GarrieWilson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by hst151975

I say to hell with Clickbank. They know there's a problem. They won't address it because it will hurt their business. But they don't give a damn about our businesses.

Ummm...

ClickBank makes the same from sales. It doesnt matter if there is an affiliate or not.

In fact, it hurts by NOT addressing it because people promote affiliate products less which means less sales. Not to mention the negative publicity.

So please explain how it will hurt their business by addressing it.

I'm sure ClickBank is working on it right now but it could be weeks or months to track down the bug. Especially since it doesnt always happen. Ive never had it happen to.

You need to remember, it could also be a program people downloaded, an IE, firewale, etc setting.

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W.P. Allen

15 years ago

Ummm...

ClickBank makes the same from sales. It doesnt matter if there is an affiliate or not.

In fact, it hurts by NOT addressing it because people promote affiliate products less which means less sales. Not to mention the negative publicity.

So please explain how it will hurt their business by addressing it.

I'm sure ClickBank is working on it right now but it could be weeks or months to track down the bug. Especially since it doesn't always happen. Ive never had it happen to.

You need to remember, it could also be a program people downloaded, an IE, firewale, etc setting.

Garrie

Ummm....?

Well, you're assuming that not addressing the problem will lead to less people promoting the products, but for me, I believe it is the opposite. If Clickbank came out today and said, "Oh yes, we've been having hoplink tracking issues since 2007 and 70% of your sales may not have gone through since then" I think affiliates would be rioting in the streets! There would be a full on affiliate mob with pitch forks and torches at Clickbank's main gates (assuming they have main gates).

And it does matter "if there is an affiliate or not". Do you think "Fat Loss 4 Idiots" would have been popular had it not been for the thousands and thousands of affiliates promoting it?

What about "Water For Gas"?

What about "The Rich Jerk"?

What if ALL affiliates walked away from Clickbank? What reason would you have to use it? As a payment processor?

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GarrieWilson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by hst151975

Well, you're assuming that not addressing the problem will lead to less people promoting the products, but for me, I believe it is the opposite.

How do you want them to address it? Run TV ads?

The only thing ClickBank needs to address is fixing it. If you was a multi-million dollar company and had a bug, you wouldn't tell people unless asked and more than likely not even then. You would simply fix it and then announce it.

Fact is, people should be tracking results and then making decisions based on their results.

If CB honestly has had tracking issues, under their control, since 2007 people would be complaining 24/7 and not just here and there.

CB may have some problems but the reasons people are stating as proof, isn't proof. Here are some reasons for a decrease in affiliate sales.

1. Economy
2. Vendors changing the affiliate ID
3. Vendor changing order link
4. User deleting cookies
5. Window bug with cookies
6. User security settings
7. Different browsers
8. Spyware
9. AdWare
10. Affiliate doesnt know how to read stats.
11. Affiliate sends more junk traffic

Lots of other reasons too.

Could CB be having problems? Sure. Could there be other things outside of ClickBanks control? Yup.

Show me proof that it's ClickBank and not something else. (I havent seen any yet - all my links work when tested)
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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by adamv

The economy may have something to do with the crappy sales. I sell my own products, instructional DVDs on drawing techniques. I've been working on SEOing my site and have seen a steady increase in unique visitors but sales are way down.

I have more than doubled the number of unique visitors coming to my site these days but I am selling about 25% of what I was a few months ago with a lot less traffic.

I don't sell anything through CB and I have experienced the same thing you have: more visitors, fewer sales. It just means we have work harder and smarter to make our money.

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LavelleC

15 years ago

Clickbank really needs to come out of their hide-away
and address a few issues. As one of the biggest, most
influential affiliate networks in the industry, they need
to give us a face... maybe a PR person.

They need to pledge to put a stop to parasite affiliates.

That's just one Affiliate Manager's opinion anyway.

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lgibbon

Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

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So why exactly do we need another thread about the same thing?

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Jakehyten

15 years ago

Is there anything we can legitimately do? Like ban together? Sign a petition? All bombard them at once?

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Stallion

15 years ago

I'm done with them.

I'd suggest you all do the same (or stay with them and continue losing money).

*applauds*

I already have.

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Dlocks

15 years ago

I say to hell with Clickbank. They know there's a problem.

But what is exactly the problem at CB? And is this a problem that can be solved by clickbank?

There about 1001 reasons why sales drop or why sales increase. One of those 1001 reasons is a problem at clickbank. N

So my question is why from the 1001 possible reasons for a drop in sales over time is it a problem at clickbank. What facts do you have? Are you able to proof this? Or is it just a feeling you have?

I don't see a significant drop in sales in the past year, past six months or in the past month. So does this proof there is not a problem at CB?

Two years ago I had as an affiliate about 4 sales a day. On year ago I had about 20 sales a day. And currently I have about 60 sales a day. Does this proof clickbank has done something extremely good in the past two years? Does this proof they made there platform better? Does this proof they improved their tracking method? No, this does not proof anything...

The same with the statement some people are making about 50% less sales. They don't proof anything.

Today there was a problem with [affiliate=none] on the order page. People instantly detected this problem. TODAY on different forums different people suddenly open a topic asking if other people are seeing the same thing. And yes, today people could reproduce it so today there was a problem, it was verified, there was proof and it was confirmed by CB.

Now, that kind of proof as we have seen today should also be provided by people who claim they have lost 50% of their sales and that it is CB their fault. I don't say it is not CB fault because I can't proof it is not CB fault (and can't proof the opposite either).

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Steven Carl Kelly

15 years ago

No affiliate company has control over whether or not Spybot S&D classifies their cookies as a "tracking cookie" or not -- and that's exactly why Spybot blocks them.

Spybot blocked CJ cookies, too.

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Louis Raven

15 years ago

As unfortunate as it is for affiliates, Actual product owners shouldn't see a drop correct?

Or am I missing what's going on?

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samstephens

15 years ago

If it's a Spybot problem again, then if any petitions are signed they probably should be directed to Spybot.

Clickbank won't be the only cookies that Spybot kills.

Personally, the only spyware/adware sweeper I trust is AdAware from Lavasoft.

There was a "competition" awhile ago for how many "threats" a spyware sweeper can remove, as basically people saw the more threats removed by a program must mean that program is better.

So there were programs around that basically remove EVERYTHING they can possibly find.

I remember there was one company (can't remember the name of it) got in a LOT of trouble for even faking results.

Personally I'd quickly uninstall Spybot. I don't like software that messes with my day to day use of the internet.

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JustVisiting

15 years ago

I don't believe Spybot blocks Clickbank cookies...HOWEVER...when a user initiates a scan the default setting of the software is to flag the Clickbank cookies - and many, many others; as unwanted Spyware.

The question is, how often do people scan their systems, perhaps once a week at most ??

Possibly a bigger problem is the exellent Firefox browser. On closing, my preferred setting is to clear all session cookies !!

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Stallion

15 years ago

All I can do is go with my gut. When every other affiliate program I'm using is getting more sales with 1/10 the traffic Clickbank is getting, I get suspicious.

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Louis Raven

15 years ago

Spybot?.... you want to worry about the so called "gurus" blatantly telling people to clear their cookies before ordering via their affiliate link.

Or should we not discuss them kind of things lol?

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Chris Lockwood 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Louis Raven

Spybot?.... you want to worry about the so called "gurus" blatantly telling people to clear their cookies before ordering via their affiliate link.

Yes, I hate that, and those people should know better. Most affiliate programs those clowns promote reward the last affiliate anyway, so as long as their link is the last one you go through, they'll get credit.

It's really dumb with Clickbank, where they buyer can easily see who is getting credit.

If it's not CB and I want someone's bonus, I just delete the cookie for that one site, which is easy to do with Firefox. Just view cookies then choose the right domain.
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samstephens

15 years ago

Could CB be having problems? Sure. Could there be other things outside of ClickBanks control? Yup.

Very true!

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Michael Motley

15 years ago

Hold on, CB is saying that the reason marketers are losing sales is because they have spybot installed, or because the customers have spybot installed? Maybe i'm just not reading this right.

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tanya7zhou

15 years ago

Yep, I totally agree with all of you guys. My sales with clickbank have gone down. Things used to be cool with this company. That is why I never placed my eggs in one basket. Had i put all my trust in clickbank, I would be crying. This has nothing to do with economy. This is clickbank stealing people's money.

Guys it's time you set your sights on other networks!

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W.P. Allen

15 years ago

How do you want them to address it? Run TV ads?

The only thing ClickBank needs to address is fixing it. If you was a multi-million dollar company and had a bug, you wouldn't tell people unless asked and more than likely not even then. You would simply fix it and then announce it.

Fact is, people should be tracking results and then making decisions based on their results.

If CB honestly has had tracking issues, under their control, since 2007 people would be complaining 24/7 and not just here and there.

CB may have some problems but the reasons people are stating as proof, isn't proof. Here are some reasons for a decrease in affiliate sales.

1. Economy
2. Vendors changing the affiliate ID
3. Vendor changing order link
4. User deleting cookies
5. Window bug with cookies
6. User security settings
7. Different browsers
8. Spyware
9. AdWare
10. Affiliate doesnt know how to read stats.
11. Affiliate sends more junk traffic

Lots of other reasons too.

Could CB be having problems? Sure. Could there be other things outside of ClickBanks control? Yup.

Show me proof that it's ClickBank and not something else. (I havent seen any yet - all my links work when tested)

TV ads? :confused:

Proof: Thank you for your inquiry. ClickBank did have an issue with a portion of the hops from approximately 11:00 am yesterday morning until 8:30 am today where less than one-third of our total hop traffic was not tracking properly. The issue was corrected earlier today, and more information will be available soon. <-----Email from Clickbank received today after inquiry into affiliate ID problem.

Also, if you read some other threads and other forums on this issue you'll see that this is not an isolated occurrence. Have you even looked into the situation or did you simply check your hoplink and aff ID and assume that because yours wasn't malfunctioning that the problem was easily dismissable as

1. Economy
2. Vendors changing the affiliate ID
3. Vendor changing order link
4. User deleting cookies
5. Window bug with cookies
6. User security settings
7. Different browsers
8. Spyware
9. AdWare
10. Affiliate doesnt know how to read stats.
11. Affiliate sends more junk traffic

If you read what others have written, even in this very thread, you'll see that you're off by a mile.

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Dlocks

15 years ago

Hold on, CB is saying that the reason marketers are losing sales is because they have spybot installed, or because the customers have spybot installed? Maybe i'm just not reading this right.

You are reading this not right. Spybot problem was olved in march. See:
h ttp://w ww.clickbanksuccessforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7537

This is clickbank stealing people's money.

And what makes you think CB is stealing people's money?

Come on guys, as GarrieWilson and myself wrote in this topic, start showing proof that it's ClickBank and not something else:

h ttp://ww w.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/27846-response-strip-fat-thread-please-read.html#post248634

h ttp://ww w.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/27846-response-strip-fat-thread-please-read.html#post248987

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Janet Sawyer

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dlocks

And what makes you think CB is stealing people's money?

Clickbank has been stealing my money consistenly for the last 5 years!
I tell you when that first cheque materialises (check, materializes!) I'm going to frame it.

So far to date, I have tried and tried, but the almighty Clickbank has always won

I've paid them as a vendor! $47 or $49 can't remember, got one sale but lost the money because it didn't meet their requirements, they took it back in account fees. They just turkeyed the account. GOBBLE GOBBLE ALL GONE! but the Turkeys were fat that Christmas..........

I got a new account as an affiliate..... sold a few..products, but my account wasn't busy enough so they started the fee takeaway sting again.
Deducting the dollars for what? -

Now, for the last month when it' been like ghost villa! what's going on? Changes that vendors haven't kept up with., so until they catch up the affilliates are stuffed........ not even going to expand on that one or I may explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boomb!

Clickbank - rhymes with - quick>>>>!

I've earnt money through clickbank and it would have been nice to have received it. But because, I've never ever gotten any I will always from now on step back and say - affiliate program -= - clickbank, no thanks

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GarrieWilson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer

Clickbank has been stealing my money consistenly for the last 5 years!
I tell you when that first cheque materialises (check, materializes!) I'm going to frame it.

So far to date, I have tried and tried, but the almighty Clickbank has always won

I've paid them as a vendor! got one sale but lost the money because it didn't meet their requirements. They just turkeyed the account. GOBBLE GOBBLE ALL GONE! but the Turkeys were fat this Christmas..........

I got a new account as an affiliate..... sold a few.... except for the last month when it seems like ghost villa! what's going on? oh that's it, ne way of doing things that the vendors aren't aware of, so until they catch up the affilliates are stuffed........ not even going to expand on that one or I may explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boomb!

I've earnt money through clickbank and it would have been nice to have received it. But because, I've never ever gotten any I will always from now on step back and say - affiliate program -= - clickbank, no thanks

Just my 2c

They didn't steal it. They deducted as their policy allows. You know, the one you agreed too. Do I agree with it? No but I wont say they stole anything.

You will get a check when you start making sales.

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Dlocks

15 years ago

Proof:

What does that proof?

If you read what others have written, even in this very thread, you'll see that you're off by a mile.

In my opinion he is not. What people are posting in this topic is "I'm loosing sales bla bla bla." That is not proof!

As I wrote before in this topic: two years ago I had as an affiliate about 4 sales a day. On year ago I had about 20 sales a day. And currently I have about 60 sales a day. Does this proof clickbank has done something extremely good in the past two years? Does this proof they made there platform better? Does this proof they improved their tracking method? No, this does not proof anything...

The same with the statement some people are making about 50% less sales. They don't proof anything.

Also check the following post (I'm new here so you need to copy paste the URL and remove spaces):
h ttp://ww w.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/27654-check-your-affiliate-link-if-you-promoting-strip-fat-2.html#post249129

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GarrieWilson

15 years ago

Proof: Thank you for your inquiry. ClickBank did have an issue with a portion of the hops from approximately 11:00 am yesterday morning until 8:30 am today where less than one-third of our total hop traffic was not tracking properly. The issue was corrected earlier today, and more information will be available soon. <-----Email from Clickbank received today after inquiry into affiliate ID problem.

No thats proof for a short period of time. Not proof since 2007 and not proof as it being a daily ocurrence. ClickBank makes announcements like that often.

AdSense had the same type of issue a couple of weeks ago. Guess Google has a bug and isn't telling people too just so they can "steal" from people.

Also, if you read some other threads and other forums on this issue you'll see that this is not an isolated occurrence. Have you even looked into the situation or did you simply check your hoplink and aff ID and assume that because yours wasn't malfunctioning that the problem was easily dismissable as

Actually, I tested my links AND links people said they had issues with. I have tested on different systems, browsers, etc.

Each time, my IDs came up. Guess I'm just lucky.

If you read what others have written, even in this very thread, you'll see that you're off by a mile.

If you will read and comprehend what I wrote, you will see that there isn't any proof. Just assumptions as to the problem.

In my years of finding bugs in systems that I use, I have learned that different variables can cause different problems. An error on one system might not repoduce on another because of one little setting, one different program, etc.

I will once again say, show proof. Real proof that can be replicated.

The email from CB only shows there was an issue for less than a day and it's been corrected.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

No thats proof for a short period of time. Not proof since 2007 and not proof as it being a daily ocurrence. ClickBank makes announcements like that often.

AdSense had the same type of issue a couple of weeks ago. Guess Google has a bug and isn't telling people too just so they can "steal" from people.
Actually, I tested my links AND links people said they had issues with. I have tested on different systems, browsers, etc.

Each time, my IDs came up. Guess I'm just lucky.

If you will read and comprehend what I wrote, you will see that there isn't any proof. Just assumptions as to the problem.

In my years of finding bugs in systems that I use, I have learned that different variables can cause different problems. An error on one system might not repoduce on another because of one little setting, one different program, etc.

I will once again say, show proof. Real proof that can be replicated.

The email from CB only shows there was an issue for less than a day and it's been corrected.

Not that I am a Clickbank cheerleader, but to put what Garrie is
saying into perspective, Clickbank is not stupid. If there was a problem,
any problem at all, that was within their control, while they might not
publicly disclose it, they would certainly do everything in their power to
fix it.

Why?

Because of threads like the ones that have been going on around here.

If enough affiliates were to truly get pissed off with Clickbank and went
elsewhere, that would lessen the affiliate base. That in turn would start
having vendors take their products elsewhere because THEY would also
be making less sales.

If the spiral continued, eventually, Clickbank would be out of business.

Now, do you REALLY think that's what they want?

Does that make any sense at all?

To me, that's just bad business.

I too have seen no proof that Clickbank is aware of a problem and not
doing anything to correct it. When I started this thread, I was unaware
that the Spybot problem had been resolved. Thank you Harvey for that.

Could there be other problems? Sure. Garrie has listed quite a few
possibilities, any of which could be contributing factors...if not all.

One thing I personally know for sure. I am losing sales because people
are emailing me and telling me, "Steve, I'd love to buy your product but
right now, I just can't. Times are really bad." Heck, one lady bought and
two hours later after she found out that there were major changes at her
work place, she canceled.

Times are bad. Technology screws up. Firefox has the darn clear cookies
after each session option and on and on and on.

Bottom line is this. If Clickbank has a problem and they're doing nothing
about it, then that is just dumb.

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Paul Hancox

15 years ago

Hi Steven

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Times are bad. Technology screws up. Firefox has the darn clear cookies
after each session option and on and on and on.

Bottom line is this. If Clickbank has a problem and they're doing nothing
about it, then that is just dumb.

The thing is, what if it's a problem that's beyond Clickbank's control?

For instance, if 50% of the population chose to use Firefox with cookies deleted every time they close their browser, that would probably have quite a HUGE impact on affiliates - because then return visitors to a site couldn't be tracked, and hence the affiliate sale is not credited.

This scenario is really outside of Clickbank's control. Quite frankly, I clear my cookies every day or two manually, and there's not a whole lot Clickbank could possibly do about that.

It's therefore really up to the AFFILIATE MARKETER and the PRODUCT OWNER to come up with better ways of making sure the credit goes to the right place.

... like making sure sales are made earlier on, i.e. on the first visit. (Maybe by better pre-selling),

... by implementing their own technologies on their site, in conjunction with Clickbank's system. (I can think of a couple of ideas which would work.)

There isn't really a "better" system Clickbank can implement, but there ARE things that individual sites can do to make sure more affiliates get the correct credit.

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Steven Wagenheim

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Hancox

Hi Steven

The thing is, what if it's a problem that's beyond Clickbank's control?

For instance, if 50% of the population chose to use Firefox with cookies deleted every time they close their browser, that would probably have quite a HUGE impact on affiliates - because then return visitors to a site couldn't be tracked, and hence the affiliate sale is not credited.

This scenario is really outside of Clickbank's control. Quite frankly, I clear my cookies every day or two manually, and there's not a whole lot Clickbank could possibly do about that.

It's therefore really up to the AFFILIATE MARKETER and the PRODUCT OWNER to come up with better ways of making sure the credit goes to the right place.

... like making sure sales are made earlier on, i.e. on the first visit. (Maybe by better pre-selling),

... by implementing their own technologies on their site, in conjunction with Clickbank's system. (I can think of a couple of ideas which would work.)

There isn't really a "better" system Clickbank can implement, but there ARE things that individual sites can do to make sure more affiliates get the correct credit.

Paul, you're absolutely right. There could be many things beyond
Clickbank's control. But isn't that going to be true for any affiliate
program that is cookie based?

I'll be the first to admit, when it comes to technology, I'm close to being
an idiot, but certainly Clickbank can't be the only system that relies on
cookies, and if that's so then any other system that relies on them as
well will also be affected by Firefox or any other browser where users
choose the option to delete cookies after every session.

I certainly don't have the answers, but I am almost 100% sure that
Clickbank isn't stupid enough to deliberately not at least try to fix
whatever problems that they have that they can.

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 15 years ago

I've earnt money through clickbank and it would have been nice to have received it. But because, I've never ever gotten any I will always from now on step back and say - affiliate program -= - clickbank, no thanks

No offense, but sounds like you said no thanks from the beginning. That's why you never made enough sales to get paid. If you don't make sales, it doesn't matter which affiliate processor you use...no sales = no money.

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Greg Cooksley

15 years ago

Originally Posted by GarrieWilson

No thats proof for a short period
of time. Not proof since 2007 and not proof as it being a daily
ocurrence. ClickBank makes announcements like that often.

AdSense had the same type of issue a couple of weeks ago. Guess
Google has a bug and isn't telling people too just so they can
"steal" from people.
Actually, I tested my links AND links people said they had issues
with. I have tested on different systems, browsers, etc.

Each time, my IDs came up. Guess I'm just lucky.

If you will read and comprehend what I wrote, you will see that
there isn't any proof. Just assumptions as to the problem.

In my years of finding bugs in systems that I use, I have learned
that different variables can cause different problems. An error
on one system might not repoduce on another because of one little
setting, one different program, etc.

I will once again say, show proof. Real proof that can be replicated.

The email from CB only shows there was an issue for less than
a day and it's been corrected.

Hey Garrie,

Just been looking through another thread where, rather than just blindly moaning
about Clickbank, the Warrior did some fairly extensive testing....

I'd be very keen to get your insight on this....

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ng-answer.html

Regards

Greg

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Kiwigal

15 years ago

I don,t use spybot but have the same problem, I,m not sure if spybot is the real problem.

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JustVisiting 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kiwigal

I don,t use spybot but have the same problem, I,m not sure if spybot is the real problem.

Further to my previous post in this thread, I agree that Spybot is not the problem.

Firstly, and very importantly for affiliate marketers, it does not block spyware/cookies realtime, you have to initiate a scan to find it and then you have the option to delete cookies found.

I have tested my CB tracking cookies and they work fine on my computers, so I do not believe Spybot has been the issue. It is a very effective piece of software.

My preferred Mozilla setting is to clear cookies after each session. All to do with online privacy. It's amazing the cr*p that gets onto a system!!
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  Further to my previous post in this thread, I agree that Spybot is not the problem.
  
  I don't know about that specific software, but some "security" software definitely IS a problem because it blocks/deletes the cookies or interferes with the hoplink.
  
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GarrieWilson

15 years ago

Paul,

A few things could be done on the sellers end.

For example: Install a tracking system that uses cookies, IPs, and refering domain. The seller could then take this info each time to create hoplinks for the proper affiliate and either tag them on the way to the order page or generate affiliate credit order links.

The seller would need to stress people should use his links and not the one CB supplies though.

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Louis Raven

15 years ago

Lol I bet half of you are actually millionaires had the cookie not been wiped

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onlineleben

15 years ago

Is it just affiliates that see a serious decline in sales or merchants as well?

I only hear affiliates complaining - but what about the merchants?
When an affiliate doesn't get the sale and the payment page shows "affiliate = none", who gets the commission? I don't think that it goes to clickbank but stays with the merchant.
Do we have feedback from people selling their own product via CB?
I think we have to differentiate between lost (not tracked) affiliate sales and lost sales on the merchants side. (otoh, which merchant would complain when he doesn't have to pay commission

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Dmitry

15 years ago

Yeah, that was exactly my point... Is it a problem with sales or with tracking sales?

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Wayne

15 years ago

I haven't used Spybot in some time, but the way it used to work was, it
had an 'immunize' feature I believe it was called. If you ran this 'immunize'
feature, it would add sites to your blocked sites list, which included
Clickbank. Once you used this feature, all Clickbank cookies would be
blocked after that.

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JustVisiting

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Wayne

I haven't used Spybot in some time, but the way it used to work was, it
had an 'immunize' feature I believe it was called. If you ran this 'immunize'
feature, it would add sites to your blocked sites list, which included
Clickbank. Once you used this feature, all Clickbank cookies would be
blocked after that.

Wayne

I'm mighty confused now! You are correct, however....Just immunized my system, restarted Firefox, tested a few of my hoplinks...my clickbank affiliate id still appears at the bottom of the CB pay page.

Real time protection appears to protect registry changes, but CB cookies remain unaltered in Firefox.

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Marc2008

15 years ago

Wow, this whole thing has me down now. I was just getting ready to go on a first time ever campaign promoting some clickbank products using review pages.

Man this hurts. I have loss a lot of motivation for that now. I guess affiliate marketing does have its limits.

I did hear Matt Furey say one time about online marketing that "you never want to be in a position in your business that if something is taking away from you your dead in the water"

"Then you dont really have a REAL business."

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R Hagel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Marc2008

Wow, this whole thing has me down now. I was just getting ready to go on a first time ever campaign promoting some clickbank products using review pages.

Man this hurts. I have loss a lot of motivation for that now. I guess affiliate marketing does have its limits.

Marc,

I just had to comment on this.

If you give up on affiliate marketing (or marketing as a whole) just because of this thread, then you're making a choice to not make money online. You're making an excuse not to succeed.

Don't let this thread throw you. If you don't want to go through CB, then find another way to make money as an affiliate. For example, promote products through Paydotcom, Commission Junction, Link Share, Amazon, or any number of other companies that have set their affiliate programs up without CB.

Cheers,
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Dlocks

15 years ago

Man this hurts. I have loss a lot of motivation for that now. I guess affiliate marketing does have its limits.

Why? Because of half a day partial non working hop links? That is about 0,01% max. you could potentially have lost on this day if you look at a complete year.

Some other thing, just recveived an e-mail from CB that they adjusted my clickbank stats. Some sales has been added.

For the ones that made a note of their sales for yesterday and the day before yesterday be sure to check BOTH days.

If you did not receive an e-mail from CB then I think your stats will still be the same.