Elite, secret societies of underground marketers???

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I am inclined to believe that these things don't actually exist, and nobody makes 7 figures per month on complete autopilot as almost every single marketing 'guru' claims.

Just today I have deleted 3 emails talking about these "underground" and "secret" methods and societies.

But it would be foolhardy not to hear opinions from my fellow warriors and I don't think I have ever seen this brought up before. Again, I assume that its just a way to make it more mystic and a sales method. Probably very good when it first came out, but its starting to get a lil old.

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  • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
    "It's the Masons, WE control everything!!"

    That's a joke son, we really don't control anything...

    I'd be interested in any comments that some of the seasoned vets have on this too. While I do believe that some of the more advanced marketers do work a kind of "auto pilot" plan purely because of who they are what their reputation I don't believe that it's possible to do it right off the bat. Please feel free to prove me wrong though because while I am not opposed to work I'd be interested in doing less of it if it's possible and use that time savings to replicate an autopilot program many times over!!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Daniel44 View Post

    I am inclined to believe that these things don't actually exist, and nobody makes 7 figures per month on complete autopilot as almost every single marketing 'guru' claims.
    People who make a lot of money tend to feel very awkward around people who don't.

    So they avoid those people. And the more money they make, the more people they have to avoid, until it starts to look like they're sneaking around with some kind of secret society.

    But really, they're just trying to avoid those awkward moments.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel44
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      People who make a lot of money tend to feel very awkward around people who don't.

      So they avoid those people. And the more money they make, the more people they have to avoid, until it starts to look like they're sneaking around with some kind of secret society.

      But really, they're just trying to avoid those awkward moments.
      Hmmmm, that doesn't cut it because they actually try to then sell it with "underground" and "secret society" marketer tips. I make quite a bit online, enough to fund my university fees without a loan, and I'm always willing to help others.

      The underground and secret society tips often seem to be rehashed too....
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
      Well, this makes a lot of sense to me. They feel safer being sorrounded by people like them

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      People who make a lot of money tend to feel very awkward around people who don't.

      So they avoid those people. And the more money they make, the more people they have to avoid, until it starts to look like they're sneaking around with some kind of secret society.

      But really, they're just trying to avoid those awkward moments.
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    • Profile picture of the author joelraitt
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      People who make a lot of money tend to feel very awkward around people who don't.

      So they avoid those people. And the more money they make, the more people they have to avoid, until it starts to look like they're sneaking around with some kind of secret society.

      But really, they're just trying to avoid those awkward moments.
      What makes you think people who make a lot of money are awkward around people who don't? Thats a weird thing to think...most rich people actually have create personal skills...
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      • Profile picture of the author FloridaKash
        I don't think we will ever know if there is a secret society of internet marketers. I have my suspicions with products that come on the market with Ninja, Samurai, etc in their names. That sounds very 'Secret Society' to me.

        Plus I am quite sure, if you get into the underground gang of IM the only way to leave is in a body bag. The information you have would be priceless (or $97, wait don't leave! How about $67?).
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by joelraitt View Post

        What makes you think people who make a lot of money are awkward around people who don't?
        Because it's only a matter of time before someone says "Dammit, my truck needs new tires, and I can't afford it."

        And everyone looks at you.

        They don't ask, of course. They almost never ask. They just give you the look, and leave that pregnant pause in the conversation.

        And if you think back to the times that someone else was the person with all the money... you know what they're going to say about you when you're not there.

        After that happens enough times, you don't hang out with those people anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    There are secret IM societies. Really! Money won't get you in. A big house won't get you in. A great looking wife or girlfriend won't get you in. Even a fifth of Jack Daniels won't do the trick.

    But grow a list of 100,000 hungry subscribers and you can walk in the front door, kick your feet up on the coffee table, clip your dirty toe nails if you wish, pass gas, cuss like a sailor and spit on the floor. You will be welcome.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kael41
      This. Best post in the thread.

      The secret societies that are often referred to are those IM'ers who scratch the back of each other in promoting product/service X to each others lists. There's your secret society right there.

      You garner these relationships not just by becoming one of the big boys known on the forums, but, by going to regional conferences, attending webinars and basically network your ass of. There's no secret formula there.

      But in general money seeks money, and you WANT to be surrounded by those who make more than you. I've always been a huge sports guy, and I've played with some of the best on the pitch (shout out to my English friends) and what I've learned is that when you surround yourself with those who are better than you, you can't be help to up your own game to compete.

      One of the most powerful messages I ever received by an underground successful marketer whom I met online on an offchance PM back in the day is to diversify and seek out passive income channels. And that's where I learned to make real money.

      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      There are secret IM societies. Really! Money won't get you in. A big house won't get you in. A great looking wife or girlfriend won't get you in. Even a fifth of Jack Daniels won't do the trick.

      But grow a list of 100,000 hungry subscribers and you can walk in the front door, kick your feet up on the coffee table, clip your dirty toe nails if you wish, pass gas, cuss like a sailor and spit on the floor. You will be welcome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    You know what they say about how you smile when you feel good, and how you can actually change your mood by invoking certain facial expressions...kind of like in reverse?

    So lately I've been sneaking around acting all aloof and being secretive and stuff for a few days. I've even been feeling as awkward as possible. But my bank teller just stared blankly when I mentioned that now there should be a LOT more zeroes after my last visit.

    That theory's full of horse doo-key.
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  • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
    Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

    ... you can walk in the front door, kick your feet up on the coffee table, clip your dirty toe nails if you wish, pass gas, cuss like a sailor and spit on the floor. You will be welcome.

    Sounds like you and I go to the same bar!
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    Originally Posted by Daniel44 View Post

    I assume that its just a way to make it more mystic and a sales method. Probably very good when it first came out, but its starting to get a lil old.

    Daniel
    i agree, i think its used a little too much in the IM world. but can work on other niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jillycakes
    It's a lot less devious than you think. Like attracts like. Doctors make friends with other doctors, lawyers hang out with lawyers, and so on.

    Part of this is because you wind up getting to know all the same people, going to the same conventions, etc.. This is the biggest reason it seems like there's an "underground." Those big marketers who cross-promote each other have all had plenty of chances to hang out, talk shop and see if so-and-so is legit.

    Some top marketers even admit that they won't promote a product unless they've had the chance to hang out with its creator. This is less about being a jerk and more about protecting their reputation. If they promote every item that comes down the pike, they'll burn the lists they've spent years and thousands of dollars to build. By only promoting people they know, like and trust, they're also protecting their own bottom line.

    The money element is also definitely a factor. Here too, like attracts like. Successful people are typically motivated and hardworking. Part of what attracts us to other people are similarities in lifestyle and behavior. If buying a new car is a huge expense for you, you're not likely to hang out with someone who has an airplane hangar full of vintage Lamborghinis.

    When you use the Internet to make your living, you already have enough people in your "real life" group of friends and family who don't understand what you do. So syncing up with others who not only do the same thing but also do it on the same level just makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author jointaldc
    Originally Posted by Daniel44 View Post

    I am inclined to believe that these things don't actually exist, and nobody makes 7 figures per month on complete autopilot as almost every single marketing 'guru' claims.

    Just today I have deleted 3 emails talking about these "underground" and "secret" methods and societies.

    But it would be foolhardy not to hear opinions from my fellow warriors and I don't think I have ever seen this brought up before. Again, I assume that its just a way to make it more mystic and a sales method. Probably very good when it first came out, but its starting to get a lil old.

    Daniel
    I do think that the best of the best do meet up and try to float around ideas, but... I don't think there is a secret club, it might just be a sales tactic to get you to buy there e-book, or what have you
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    I'm sure they exist. These are the guru's. There are people who work in a group and withhold info so that it remains secret.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffmull
    There are certainly mastermind groups where marketers of similar stature and success network with each other and share ideas. And many of those do promote each other's products.

    But it's not about excluding others. It's about promoting products from people you trust because you know them - and maybe provided some feedback on their latest offer in a mastermind session.

    It seems that too many people want to think there are all these nefarious organizations designed for evil purposes. I've been around this business full time since 2002 and have been to dozens of seminars and know hundreds of internet marketers including most of the very top A level guys and I never see the alleged evil intentions.

    I see sincere guys (and a few women) who are trying their hardest to make great products and have successful customers.

    Are they trying to make huge amounts of money? Absolutely. But many of these people are also putting out tremendous free content as well.

    What about these groups being "secret"?

    Well, I'm in a few mastermind groups, and I know of a few others I am not in, and the reality is that you can't have a successful mastermind if there are too many people in it. Smaller groups work better. It's just the way it works.

    One great way to meet others and form a mastermind group is by attending live events.

    Personally, I think Yanik's Underground Online seminar is the best. I have been every year (spoke at the second one). Lots of great content by people who are not pro speakers. In fact many don't even have anything to sell. I didn't, and Yanik never pressured me to sell anything. They are just sharing content for the pure purpose of helping others.

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  • Profile picture of the author joetann
    lol I love the thought of the OP title. Somewhere where super rich affiliates meet underground, and play poker with cigars in their mouths, prop betting on their affiliate accounts whilst hitting F5 every few minutes
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      I know they exist.

      There's a bunch of guys from the UK and the US who stand in circles and promote each others products.

      They are basically a syndicate.

      If you don't have a list of at least 20k, they won't even consider letting you in.

      And to be honest, you won't get to know much about these guys unless you meet them at seminars, or somehow get to see behind the scenes.

      And even then, you don't get a lookin unless you have that list... and are prepared to flaunt your list and abuse it, to promote blindly in a circular fashion.

      There's more than one of these groups. There are dozens, each making up pretty much every "guru" you hear about in all the major launches.

      The only real secrets are their direct networks, deals, and income figures.

      When it comes to actual marketing tactics, there are secrets too, but if you use common sense and basic, well proven principles, you'll make money all by yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by joetann View Post

        lol I love the thought of the OP title. Somewhere where super rich affiliates meet underground, and play poker with cigars in their mouths, prop betting on their affiliate accounts whilst hitting F5 every few minutes
        It's actually not far from the truth... seriously.
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