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Ok, do you have an answer for the tax/VAT issues then? Business owners are gonna want receipts for everything you know. I am just a little sceptical about Google rankings being so instantanious, can take months for the search engines to index/rank/sort a new site with no previous history. Anyway, I do think it is savvy how the OP managed to offer the consultancy to the chap, especially sending the hosting through a CJ program on a CPA; that's impressive. |
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Actually it's not a well known fact but a single page on a static website will usually rank higher on Google than a single post page on a blog all other things being equal. Blogs are just easier to do, easier to create interlinking, easier to get indexed (pinging) etc etc etc. But don't think for a second that blogs have some magical Google SEO power over static websites. They're just naturally easier to do SEO for because most of the SEO functions are inbuilt. Kindest regards, Andrew Cavanagh | |
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Great work Alex GEO Marketing is the way to go if your targeting local businesses |
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The competition is VERY low for local geographical based search terms. In most cases it's just a matter of getting a page indexed that's themed around that keyword phrase. Since many blogs automatically ping which result in your page geting indexed that can often be enough to get you a top listing. Quote:
If there are one or 2 developed sites optimizing for that keyword phrase (highly unlikely) you'll still make the top 3 or 4 rankings very easily. Quote:
Most small business owners...quite intelligently...base most of their buying decisions on the trust they have in the person they're buying from. It's a personal process. If you're willing to talk one one one with business owners you can get hired and the conversion rate is exceptionally high. If you're still skeptical take a trip over to OfflineBiz.com and check out the forum and testimonials there...there's no shortage of people getting hired by small business owners to help them with their internet marketing services. Keep in mind also that you can get hired providing nearly any internet marketing service that will create more sales and profits for a business. It is an amazing way to make money from your skills. Kindest regards, Andrew Cavanagh | |||
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Cheers Andrew, cleared a few things up there. |
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I spoke to that person on the phone, looked at their website, keywords and main competitors and 20 minutes later I just made another $1,000 plus a recurring $100/month! I already got paid the initial fee. That's not all. Once the website is up there on the top results, I will also offer the OPT-IN service, for an extra fee. I thinking I will spend less time on affiliate marketing and switch to this ![]() Alex | |
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that's awesome Alex, well done!
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Hi Alex Well done, I think the piont here is that you took action and that however you work out the money you made you would have made nil if you did not take action. I think websites are easy to sell once you have a clients ear. I have a client who bought a Web Directory from me, he has 5 commission only sales guys selling for him, currently doing low thousands a day. Prior to getting those guys hired, trained and working he was make zero, nothing nada. As far as I am concerned the local electrian earns $80 because that is how much he charges, no calculation of college time in there. |
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Hi, Can someone please clarify something for me please. I just went to google and typed in: chartered accountant Wollongong (Wollongong is my local city - in NSW, Australia) The results in the attachment came up. (Please open the attachment). Notice the 'Local Business Results...' bit at the top. With the strategy outlined in this thread about getting the top ranking, am I trying to rank above this block of 'Local Business Results...' or is this not possible? How does one otherwise get listed in this 'Local Business Results...' section? I'm just trying to get my head around this.....will the 'Local Business Results....' section always outrank the normal listings? And if so, isn't it possible that a business owner who I am trying to rank high for question this? Thanks Adam |
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Personally when I search for a business I never click on "Local Business Results"... unless I already know the business and am trying to find their phone # or their address. Mostly I do not click on these results because most of these businesses do not have a website - and that's what I am trying to find. Hope this helps, Alex | |
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I had wondered the same thing about ranking above them, but I'm not sure if it's possible. If someone knows how, I'd love to hear about it. Ta ra | |
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As for tax, you deal with it like you'd deal with any other income. This is coming direct to you, rather than into your business and then to you, but all the tax man cares about is how much ends up in your pocket. Again, I worked like that before I registered, and never had a problem. As for VAT, if you aren't registered, then you ignore VAT. You don't charge it, the business doesn't claim it back, and the VAT man doesn't need to be involved. Perfectly legal and honest, as long as your turnover stays below the VAT threshold. Hope this clears up your worries. Bear in mind that a very large number of people work for themselves and don't have registered businesses. Many (probably not all though!) of these are 100% honest and legal operations, even though they are not registered. Ta ra | |
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a) Has ever had a business owner (who they are trying to rank for) question them about it b) How they have responded to the to the business owner For instance, if a business owner said to me "Hey, wait a minute...what are these local business results things and why can't I just be listed in that?", what is a good response? Thanks Adam | |
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Here is what I would do: Offer your client a service of adding them to Google Local Business Center (I checked it out yesterday, it's easy and straight forward). However, these listing results seem to work in a similar way to organic results - where a business can rank high or... very low. If you make the business rank in the top 5 for the Local Business Listing - once again, your client will get more exposure and traffic. How do you make a listing rank higher? - If possible, add the keyword in/as a Business Name - Make sure to fill out all of the fields (yes, even the optional ones) - Add a keyword rich description of the business - Add as many photos of the company (their products) - Make a simple Youtube video - add it to the listing as well. - Add a coupon if possible - Build backlinks to the listing - Link to the listing from the site you built for the client... BOOM BABY! With this you can make even MORE money! I think you can easily charge another $500 for this service + $100 monthly recurring fee for keeping the listing visible (the first 5 or 10) depending on how many results are displayed. Come on guys, be more positive and look for opportunities ![]() As my grandpa used to say "Every negative has a positive part" ![]() Alex p.s. Thank you for bringing this up, as now I see the full potential for my future clients. Just imagine a local business ranked in the top 5 in the Local Business Google Map, then it is ranked #1 as an organic result, and if you feel comfortable with PPC, you can surely rank your client's site #1 in Sponsored Results (which will most likely show up right above the MAP, highlighted in Yellow) ![]() Just imagine what the business owner would think of this, AND the potential client. If they see the same site listed 3 times on top of the Google page - they will most likely click. | |
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I don't think anyone was being negative here, we're exploring possibilities. Since the subject of the local business listings came up, we're trying to see if you can get listed in, or above them. That's a positive attitude. C'mon Alex, don't be hard on us ![]() Ta ra | |
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![]() Seriously, I'd rather have a handful of clients paying thousands per month than a thousand clients paying a few bucks per month. In fact, it's better not to set a price. Instead, ask the prospect, "What would this be worth to you?" The first person to mention a figure loses... | |
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I spent 20+ years in outside sales and the last thing I wanted to do was get back into the offline market....BUT...once out there, you will find that most of what you know as the 'basics' is just about considered 'magic' to the average business owner. We launched our mobile marketing service in Cincinnati 2 weeks ago - we actually have 3 'brands' for 3 totally different market niches - and my husband, 64, on his second day 'outside', met with the media buyer of a 75 location fast food group - and was told that they KNEW they needed to get into this but were clueless as to how to do it...and this guy handles in excess of 100 million annually in ad buy! Guess what? We have the deal! Further - their locations are NOT listed in Google Business Center - and this is a VERY important place to be - because the number one reason people look up a local business is NOT for looking at the website - it's to check the address and location. And it is VERY easy to get in - and get ranked! The beauty is that a business is added almost immediately, and there is still such low competition that it is easy to rank quickly. My brand new local mobile marketing business is number 1 for several terms - and number 2 behind the local phone company in one! It actually took less than an hour to show up in local search! As to blogs vs static web site - a strong selling point is that you can train the owner to update the blog for a small fee, and then add a monthly or annual maintenance fee, to make sure the software is kept updated, and if they don't want to update the blog - you can update it for a monthly fee with info sent by email. In the long run, I prefer blogs for local businesses because it is easier for them to keep their rankings if the content is updated regularly - makes the task of keeping those keywords in the local market much easier. All in all - the offline market is ripe right now! |
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And as I mentioned above - the local listings could be another service offered to the client for an extra fee | |
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I hope I didn't come across as being negative as that certainly wasn't my intention; these were just things I'd thought of and was curious as to what others had to say based on their experiences. Like you, after I posted originally, I had a bit more of a look at the 'Local Business Results....' via Google local business centre and I came to the same conclusion that this could indeed be used as an extra value added service that I could provide for the business owner. I actually showed a friend of mine today - his mother owns a local hair salon - and he was very excited...."wow, how can I get that listed in there", and so I showed him. Incidently, I have found examples where organic listings do actually rank above the 'Local Business results...' section, so it seems to be possible. I'm guessing that this might be the case where the organic listing has really strong SEO factors. ie. on page factors and off page factors such as lots of backlinks etc. I'm going to try and research this a bit more myself as I think it would be an even more powerful to demonstrate to the business owner that I can rank his/her site above that. (as well as listing them in the local business results too of course). Thanks Adam | |
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I just did the same thing today with the local butchery. The owner is very excited and I charged $2500 he said thats fine with him. Just got one more meeting to do with his wife and the deal might be done. Cheers |
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Or wins, depending on how you look at it. It's not meant to scam them, it's meant to provide them a valuable service. ![]() Quote:
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![]() However, one thing that is an advantage to charging many people just a few bucks a month is that if someone decides they don't need or can't afford your service anymore (and people have various good reasons for this; we don't know what other people's financial pictures are) it is not a huge loss if one person leaves. But if one person who is paying you thousands of dollars a month leaves, that can really hurt. | |
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Angela, I think part of the perspective about what constitutes a little or a lot of money is whether the clients are businesses or individuals. You have a product that you price EXTREMELY reasonably so that any marketer, regardless of circumstance, can participate (as many do, including me, very happily ).But businesses pay upwards of $20,000 a year for full page yellow page ads, they pay hundreds of dollars per edition for newspaper advertising. The estimated average CPC for the term "Los Angeles Locksmith" (as an example) is $16. PER CLICK! So, if I charge a business an amount for leasing the first page of Google listings for a term they are interested in dominating (or keeping their competition from dominating, whatever their motivation might be) - even if that amount constitutes a considerable sale for me as an individual, it is still very likely only a minimal portion of their overall advertising budget - and depending on the traffic of the term, it could provide them with significant ROI. |
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Awesome story! Congrats.
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I posted what I did because Vince's post was referring to "clients", which could be either a business or a marketer. In my case, I deal with individual marketers and I want to make my service available to pretty much anyone. However, like you say, in the case of a business, bigger amounts of money is usually involved for successful marketing techniques. | |
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It does make me think that starting local blogs with adsense on them might not be a bad idea, as well, though. |
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Great Post Alex and congrats. Im 22 also and just got into the whole concept of internet marketing. Reading your post emphasises that there are so many opportunities to make money online. cant wait to get started! cheers |
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Love to see people getting ahead by using the old noggin. This is a great example of sharing too. Thanks.
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I would like to know how many people responded.
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Thats nice Alex ![]() thanks really was a great story! |
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Wow Alex. I'm pretty much a complete noob but I think even I could do this. Thanks for sharing this idea. There are lots of businesses hurting right now in my area that I'm sure could use this kind of help (especially with an irresistible offer like you used).
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I must say this is a commendable idea and has a lot of potential. Doing a bit of homework can make large difference. Making a bridge between offline and online opportunities can untap many possibilities. |
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Good work there, think I will have to give that a try. Thanks
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Great information Alex. Many of us will take advantage of it. |
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This is becoming a more popular way to earn some pretty good income. Glad you've discovered it as well. ![]() I've seen quite a few folks here "wish they had your technical skills" to pull this off. Here's a quick suggestion for them: Outsource this puppy! Sites like elance.com, guru.com, (etc., etc.), and of course, the Warrior Forum all have folks that will put a Wordpress site or any other site up for a few bucks. So if you charge $1,000.00, pay someone $200.00 to install and configure a WordPress site, you still made $800 - and more importantly, with basically no work at all. Think of it this way - if you could get 5 customers/week using this method, you'd make $5,000 for that week, but you would have to do the work (which takes more time). What if you outsourced the work to 2 people - 1 to do the SEO research (keywords, blah, blah) and one to install/configure the WP site? Pay the SEO person, say, $100/customer and the WP person $200/site. Charge your customer $1000.00 and you've made $700 per customer w/ no work at all (besides the initial visit). Now you're free to more customers with less work. So let say you get 10 customers for the first week. Now you've made $7,000 and didn't have to do any of the grunt work. You've made $2,000 more with less work. Charge $1,300.00 and you've made $10,000 that week with no grunt work. So - main point: if you can't do something, pay someone else to do it for you! Great job Alex, and hope the posts helps a few folks. P.S. That was a subliminal message for the rest of you to go out and do it! The Crazy Internet Dude |
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great post and thanks for sharing, I commend you
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But the point here was, I have no technical skills really. When I was setting up the Wordpress, I googled "How to Install Wordpress" and found a detailed video... free of course. Google is our best friend (or other search engine of your choice).Alex | |
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Great post Alex. Out-of-the-box thinking!!
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Traffic 101, there's a ton of free documentation all over the net to help you get started with WordPress (tried to post a link but my post count is too low). Google it or message me for a good place to start.
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You said it - it's been said time and time again, but for some reason people seem to think it's amazing. I got $10k for one client for setting up their SEM last week. No website building for them involved at all - I hate that stuff. It was just SEM for their existing site and they have a webmaster to make the changes I recommended to it. They approached me from a recommendation and practically threw the money at me. If you're actually able to produce results - there are plenty of businesses that will pay you good money. There's no secret to it. Andy |
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Brilliant! Very Nicely Done!
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That's a really great story! Living in a small town might actually have it's benefits now, maybe I should go find some potential clients to do some work for, gives me some ideas, but I should probably make sure my own sites are settled first before I go do someone else's. The possibility is there, just need to take advantage of it. |
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thats a pretty good story.. I have a similar way of making money, yet different. Pick a method, and if you do it right you can make money! Good Job! I'm happy for you.
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![]() Business want to make MORE money and if you can help them do so - they will be more than happy to treat you well with a few bills Online marketing for offline businesses is an investment. The big secret here is to make the business owner realize how much this will help them (Website, SEO, list building...) once they see the potential - they are hooked!
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True guerilla marketing. I LOVE the pay to play concept. I still earn 7 figures on such a business (an ebay sniping site) and have since 2002. You have to turn that one into, at the very least, a PDF free report. Also get a testimonial.
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Alex, Your story is sensational , a real inspiration - i am working right now on 'modeling' your strategy thanks for posting your story |
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Now that's what I call playing it from the cuff. Another lesson that mosttimes we don't see the forest for the trees. Way to go!
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