"Nobody will ever buy books or airline tickets on the Internet." - Newsweek, 1995

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A hilarious look back at a 1995 Newsweek article on the Internet! Make sure to check out the second last paragraph, last sentence. Ha!

Clifford Stoll: Why Web Won't Be Nirvana - Newsweek
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Originally Posted by Matt MacPherson View Post

    A hilarious look back at a 1995 Newsweek article on the Internet! Make sure to check out the second last paragraph, last sentence. Ha!

    Clifford Stoll: Why Web Won't Be Nirvana - Newsweek

    LOL - Great article. That was obviously someone w/ very good observation skills, but not so much in the area of foresight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil Morgan
    Ha! We'll probably say the same about time travel in a few years.

    Bill Gates once said that computers would never need more than 640Kb of RAM!

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    • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
      Originally Posted by Neil Morgan View Post

      Ha! We'll probably say the same about time travel in a few years.
      Bill Gates once said that computers would never need more than 640Kb of RAM!

      Cheers, Neil

      Speaking of Gates, in the first edition of his book, The Road Ahead, published in the late 1995, there was not even a single mention of the internet!

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    • Profile picture of the author Muhammad Hassan
      Originally Posted by Matt MacPherson View Post

      A hilarious look back at a 1995 Newsweek article on the Internet! Make sure to check out the second last paragraph, last sentence. Ha!

      Clifford Stoll: Why Web Won't Be Nirvana - Newsweek
      There's a lot more that they got wrong than just
      what's pointed out above.

      I must say that I agree with 'no CD-ROM can take
      the place of a competent teacher' and what they
      say about IT replacing teachers. But being a
      teacher I would say that wouldn't I. IT is a great
      tool to help teachers, but cannot completely replace
      them.

      To defend the article it was written 15 years ago,
      when accessing the Internet and what was on the
      Intenet was much different than it is today.

      Question: Is there anything now that we think will
      never be done on the Internet? Are we right to think
      that? What if it is possible, what can be done to
      make it happen?

      Originally Posted by Neil Morgan View Post

      Ha! We'll probably say the same about time travel in a few years.

      Bill Gates once said that computers would never need more than 640Kb of RAM!

      Cheers,

      Neil
      A friend and I had a mutual friend who had just
      bought a new PC and he was telling us how he had
      software on it that compressed his disk so that it
      doubled it's capacity.

      We laughed at him and told him that he would
      never fill up his disk without the compression. We told
      him to remove his compression software and speed
      things up.

      This was in the mid 90s and his disk was 1GB. So we thought you would never need more than 1GB.

      Yes we were wrong, but at least not as wrong as Bill Gates (although he said his many years before us).
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  • Profile picture of the author amithak50
    yes ..right and it's happening opposite!!using far more than 640kb..nobody knows what is going to happen...
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  • Profile picture of the author tycoon828
    This article is so funny. No salespeople on internet. lol......
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      As someone had said around a 100 years back - everything that could have been invented have already been invented. Forgot who but it was someone high and mighty, and feeling too lazy to go and search.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Fred,
        As someone had said around a 100 years back - everything that could have been invented have already been invented. Forgot who but it was someone high and mighty, and feeling too lazy to go and search.
        IIRC, that was the then-director of the US Patent Office.

        Stoll is, and always has been, a curmudgeon. But a Really Smart one. His only flaw, that I've seen, is that he underestimates the human capacity for adaptation. That puts him ahead of Jakob Nielsen.

        Nielsen is equally brilliant, if not more so, but he seems to believe that everything should be taken to the lowest common denominator, because people won't tolerate anything above that. No faith in human beings - at all.


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        • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
          On a social / human desire level, I think he got everything right. He just didn't account for that fact everything in business is driven by cost and convenience.
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    • Profile picture of the author spesialis
      internet is overrated, it's just a series of tubes
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    I read it on the internet so it must be true.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    The author of that article is a professional skeptic ... LOL ... if only they had the notion to follow up on some of those ideas instead of slamming them the author would have been rich by now!
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    How about electronic publishing? Try reading a book on disc. At best, it's an unpleasant chore: the myopic glow of a clunky computer replaces the friendly pages of a book. And you can't tote that laptop to the beach. Yet Nicholas Negroponte, director of the MIT Media Lab, predicts that we'll soon buy books and newspapers straight over the Intenet. Uh, sure...

    Do our computer pundits lack all common sense? The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper...
    Priceless. I'm sure that there were many more articles just like it back in the mid 90s.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Amazing article! Funny!
      Thanks for sharing!
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      • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
        Something doesn't sound right about that article - to me at least.

        It starts by saying "After two decades online" - that would take the author back to 1975!

        I think the author is just having a laugh and has backdated the post.
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        • Profile picture of the author DogScout
          Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

          Something doesn't sound right about that article - to me at least.

          It starts by saying "After two decades online" - that would take the author back to 1975!

          I think the author is just having a laugh and has backdated the post.
          The internet started in the late 40's as a military (joint edu) application and project Echelon was one of the 1st projects. A joint M-6, OSS venture that the NSA eventually took charge of. It was just not commercial like now as TCP packets and HTTP protocols hadn't been invented yet. It was basically a glorified email system with a few bennies..
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        • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
          Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

          Something doesn't sound right about that article - to me at least.

          It starts by saying "After two decades online" - that would take the author back to 1975!

          I think the author is just having a laugh and has backdated the post.
          The author is an academic (more specifically, an astronomy professor) and it isn't a typo -- he was using the Arpanet back in the 1970s.
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        • Profile picture of the author genietoast
          Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

          Something doesn't sound right about that article - to me at least.

          It starts by saying "After two decades online" - that would take the author back to 1975!

          I think the author is just having a laugh and has backdated the post.
          LOL. I was thinking the same thing. I was wondering about blogs back in 1995. Did they have them back then?
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          • Profile picture of the author liveurlyf
            what else have they published that we can all have a good laugh at. Newsweek! you'd think that u can actually rely on thier info.
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        • Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

          Something doesn't sound right about that article - to me at least.

          It starts by saying "After two decades online" - that would take the author back to 1975!

          I think the author is just having a laugh and has backdated the post.
          Actually there was a form of the internet, called arpanet, which was essentially the 'internet' for academics. It did exist in the early 70's, and quite possibly if he was a programmer/academic, was on board then.

          ARPANET - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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          • Profile picture of the author ZaraK
            Not only were academics on Arpanet before the Internet became available to all and sundry, but the mid 80s to early 90s were also the time of pay-by-the-hour private connection groups like Compuserve, QuantumLink (the forerunner to AOL), and AOL itself.

            I "met" my husband in an interactive trivia game room on Q-link in 1987. Years and years before the internet and match.com and the like.

            My first browser was Mosaic.

            My first search "engine" was akebono.stanford.edu. I'm sure there are a few reading here who know what that became but I'll bet most do not.

            My first laser printer was the price of a small car, and almost as heavy.

            My first hard drive was 10 Mb and I did not know HOW in the WORLD I would EVER fill that all up.

            Oh yeah. I'm OLD. LOL.
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            • Profile picture of the author ZaraK
              Also, for predictive fiction, read The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner.

              Written in the mid-70s, and frighteningly predictive. And dystopian.

              A very good read.
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            • Originally Posted by ZaraK View Post

              Not only were academics on Arpanet before the Internet became available to all and sundry, but the mid 80s to early 90s were also the time of pay-by-the-hour private connection groups like Compuserve, QuantumLink (the forerunner to AOL), and AOL itself.

              I "met" my husband in an interactive trivia game room on Q-link in 1987. Years and years before the internet and match.com and the like.

              My first browser was Mosaic.

              My first search "engine" was akebono.stanford.edu. I'm sure there are a few reading here who know what that became but I'll bet most do not.

              My first laser printer was the price of a small car, and almost as heavy.

              My first hard drive was 10 Mb and I did not know HOW in the WORLD I would EVER fill that all up.

              Oh yeah. I'm OLD. LOL.
              Actually, it's funny. I remember having 'discussions' with people thinking that 2MB was "HUGE", and how would you ever fill that up. It's funny now how a simple .jpg file can be larger than 2MB.
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    • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
      So wrong on so many levels and yet.........right about one thing, the singularity of human interaction. Nothing is so warm and personal as a gathering of like minds - in person. Doing it via the internet is certainly possible, it's done all the time, yet it just isn't the same. And of course there is the social downside that on the internet people can and do say things that they would never have the guts to say face to face.

      Ah, well, back to my Kindle.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    We went to the moon on 8 bit systems and computers the size of hotel rooms with 10 MB tape capacity. Lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    A pretty awesome 'blast from the past' (if I'm allowed to say that, considering I was 5 when it was written!)

    I particular like:

    "Even if there were a trustworthy way to send money over the Internet—which there isn't" (SSL was kind of around in 1995, but had big security flaws)

    "You don't know what to ignore and what's worth reading. Logged onto the World Wide Web, I hunt for the date of the Battle of Trafalgar. Hundreds of files show up, [...] None answers my question, and my search is periodically interrupted by messages like, "Too many connectios, try again later." (I assume that good 'ol Google came to save the day!!)

    Anywhoo, it is fairly interesting. And they're right that full-on books are still better to be read on paper c.f. a monitor, just as the internet hasn't replaced teachers. So it is interesting that whilst the internet has moved forward in hard-to-anticipate ways, the article was right in some areas.
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Basically, Bill was correct. We Do Not NEED all this RAM, hard drive space and mega-bandwidth... we just WANT it!

    (If I am ever homeless, it has to be near a Starbucks with 100 MB wi-fi! )
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  • Profile picture of the author John Henderson
    Cliff Stoll was the guy who wrote "The Cuckoo's Egg" which was a great book; I've read it more than once.

    His follow-up -- "Silicon Snake OilSilicon Snake Oil " -- was a book length version of the article that the OPer has linked to. It was a pretty negative tirade against the direction that technology was taking, and to be honest, I didn't read it more than once.

    My main quibble with Stoll's viewpoint arises when he says things like "Multimedia can never take the place of a good teacher". Maybe, Cliff. But what if your teacher isn't a good teacher? What if you're stuck with a bad teacher? What are you supposed to do then? Fail your exams? :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by John Henderson View Post

      His follow-up -- "Silicon Snake Oil" -- was a book length version of the article that the OPer has linked to. It was a pretty negative tirade against the direction that technology was taking, and to be honest, I didn't read it more than once.
      I have that book. Still haven't read it.

      Funny thing is that, in the late 90's, I was trying in vain to convince people that the future of the Internet was local...
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    • Profile picture of the author IMShoppingMall
      Originally Posted by John Henderson View Post

      Cliff Stoll was the guy who wrote "The Cuckoo's Egg" which was a great book; I've read it more than once.
      I read it twice as well. A very good read.

      How could a man who lived that story think (and this is an inference) that only Russian spy masters could ever have the time to figure out how to move money on the internet? The article is foolish, fainthearted, and obviously false.

      He's a presenter at TED by the way... nuff said about TED.
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    Someone did not look far enough into the future!

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    • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
      Originally Posted by Owen Smith View Post

      Someone did not look far enough into the future!

      Regards
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      I'm reminded of the phrase - "Famous last words..."

      we need to be careful here in the present about the past and not commit what I call temporal bigotry. Thinking of the past in today's terms. As Paul pointed out- who thought or doing things like ordering food from your computer 15 years ago?

      For a real eye opener - take a look, not at the special effects in movies - but on the nightly news. In my youth our weather reports had very bad black and white images of part of the earth with hand drawn symbols. Before those they were just a board with maps on them and big symbols the weather droid moved around.

      Take a look at the intros on even your local news today and if you can compare them with even images from the early 90's, or 80's.

      Things change - technology allows us to do more.

      Now lets discuss the really important topics of the day - like where the @#$ is my flying car dudes!!!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    This is hilarious, but it just goes to show how much the internet has changed the world in the last 15 years. If you look back at some of the things that were predicted back then and how things are today, you'd be utterly shocked and flabbergasted!

    In that very same year of 1995, the movie "The Net" was released starring Sandra Bullock, and back then the movie had accurately predicted that you could order pizza from the comfort of your home using the internet. I'm sure very few people believed it in 1995, but today no one even gives a second thought to ordering pizza or food online from Papa John's, Domino's or some other delivery restaurant!

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      Paul,

      Interesting notion. Does entertainment tend to be more accurate, because it applies imagination to human desires?

      Something worth thinking about. Thank you, sir.


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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Paul,

        Interesting notion. Does entertainment tend to be more accurate, because it applies imagination to human desires?

        Something worth thinking about. Thank you, sir.


        Paul
        Paul, I think that in many cases with entertainment it is a combination of imagination, and also the utilization of forward thinking scientists and experts in the field. With the increasingly commonplace practice of employing expert consultants and authority figures by Hollywood, it'd be easy to see how many of the forward-looking movies could accurately predict many aspects of new technology in the future.

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      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      This is hilarious, but it just goes to show how much the internet has changed the world in the last 15 years. If you look back at some of the things that were predicted back then and how things are today, you'd be utterly shocked and flabbergasted!

      In that very same year of 1995, the movie "The Net" was released starring Sandra Bullock, and back then the movie had accurately predicted that you could order pizza from the comfort of your home using the internet. I'm sure very few people believed it in 1995, but today no one even gives a second thought to ordering pizza or food online from Papa John's, Domino's or some other delivery restaurant!

      Paul
      But in defence of peoples lack of insight 20+ years ago, things were very different. Since the proliferation of computers, things have changed drastically, not because of computers themselves but because of the way computers have changed virtually everything. Products and ideas that used to take 15 years of development, a spare warehouse or factory unit, hundreds of staff, tooling, R&D etc, costing millions is no longer how things are done.

      New ideas and technology are now modelled by software, in a small office of few staff, technicians, a team leader and a deadline. The millions of dollars and years of research for products / new designs is now done at a fraction of the cost in a fraction of the time and tooling / prototyping / testing is reduced drastically. Many new ideas now go straight from computer model to testing lab and then straight into production. This has changed everything and in fairness, was not an easy thing to predict. The advancements of technology have become almost self perpetuating.
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  • Profile picture of the author walkmen
    The article is funny indeed. I suppose that we have the benefit of hindsight.
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  • Profile picture of the author rhab
    Very entertaining read now that just about everything he said would never be, is... :p

    "We went to the moon on 8 bit systems and computers the size of hotel rooms with 10 MB tape capacity. Lol."

    WE NEVER went to the moon! One day like all these things happening on the internet now, we might get to the moon...
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul,

    Here's a thought or two for you. In 1966, Robert A. Heinlein published "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." If I recall correctly, that's the book in which one scene showed the hero getting his news from a screen on a bedside computer, and answering a video call on the same machine.

    He wrote another in the 40's or early 50's in which he referred to tearing a sheet off the "facsimile machine." Jules Verne beat that prediction by almost 100 years.

    Arthur C. Clarke wrote about the area, some 22,000 miles above the Earth, in which a system of satellites would orbit to allow global mass communication. He wrote that in 1945. That's why that orbital space is now called "the Clarke Belt."

    Verne also predicted, in "From the Earth to the Moon," that the first lunar launch would be made from southern Florida. He pinpointed a spot very near Cape Canaveral.

    We are much closer to the movies than we'd be comfortable believing...


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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Paul,

      Here's a thought or two for you. In 1966, Robert A. Heinlein published "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." If I recall correctly, that's the book in which one scene showed the hero getting his news from a screen on a bedside computer, and answering a video call on the same machine.

      He wrote another in the 40's or early 50's in which he referred to tearing a sheet off the "facsimile machine." Jules Verne beat that prediction by almost 100 years.

      Arthur C. Clarke wrote about the area, some 22,000 miles above the Earth, in which a system of satellites would orbit to allow global mass communication. He wrote that in 1945. That's why that orbital space is now called "the Clarke Belt."

      Verne also predicted, in "From the Earth to the Moon," that the first lunar launch would be made from southern Florida. He pinpointed a spot very near Cape Canaveral.

      We are much closer to the movies than we'd be comfortable believing...


      Paul
      Paul, you are more right than you even imagine. "The Matrix" is one movie that parallels things that the mass majority of the people's on the planet do not believe, let alone even know about......

      The movie just changes the names and distorts things a bit, but its almost an exact reflection of many, many things that we are not allowed to talk about on the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Many new ideas now go straight from computer model to testing lab and then straight into production.
    I have a friend who recently started a company doing just that... 3-D printing.

    Amazing stuff. And obvious...


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  • Profile picture of the author Articles4Sale
    The internet keeps WILL change, we have to adapt. Kinda like G00gle's algo
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I don't know who, but there have been a few researchers and scientists who were inspired by science fiction. So, while entertainment may not predict the future, it can inspire it...but, then they are predicting it, in a sense.

    But, there's another point here. What faulty predictions are we making every day? Maybe they're not about technology, but they are limiting us. Can we even tell what they are? What NEW "predictions" can you make today that will improve your situation?

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    • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I don't know who, but there have been a few researchers and scientists who were inspired by science fiction. So, while entertainment may not predict the future, it can inspire it...but, then they are predicting it, in a sense.
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      Michael, look up the history of the iPod - the developers at Apple attribute its development to an episode of STTNG where Data is listening to several musical items at once from the computer...

      And a note to Paul Myers (one of few people I know who uses the terms grok, hacker and cracker in the correct form) - in Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land I remember one of the characters having a strategy session with one of his aids on how best to get out his [electronic] writings and get them protected via copyrights etc and in those jurisdictions where such laws were not honored how best to get as much as possible out of them as fast as possible before the leaches got to it.

      Which shows that SF predictions are not just limited to technologies - but social interactions as well. CyberPunk anyone?

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    See? I could be right after all!!! People will buy ******* in the web, in a couple years!!!

    You don't believe me NOW, but you'll see..

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Thanks for pointing all this out, Paul. What I'd really like to see now is if any of the things (especially time travel) that H.G. Wells has written will ever play out in our lifetimes. For your edification, here's a wonderful quote from a speech he made in 1902 -

    “It is possible to believe that all the past is but the beginning of a beginning, and that all that is and has been is but the twilight of the dawn. It is possible to believe that all the human mind has ever accomplished is but the dream before the awakening”—24 January 1902, lecture given at the Royal Institute, London. “The Discovery of the Future”.
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    Paul,

    Re H.G. Wells: See lasers, genetic engineering, the answering machine, and wireless communication.

    Time travel is still up in the air.


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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    What? so the Internet is not going to work? damn it, my entire business model is based on that lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    What I wonder, is what is being said TODAY about what "is and is not" needed for the future.

    Perhaps 10 years from now we'll be on our moon-based vaction resorts laughing at how people thought commercial flights to the moon, for public use, was an impossible dream.
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  • Profile picture of the author FiveSmoothStones
    Don't tell me the sky is the limit, there are footprints on the moon!

    I remember my first laptop had 80 MB hard drive. I use some compression software and got it upto a whopping 140 MB and thought I something special!
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  • Profile picture of the author hitext2
    In 1989, I wrote an article that predicted that mobile phones would never become popular outside the business community (based on the high costs at the time). I hope no-one ever finds that article...
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  • Profile picture of the author :Elective-
    Whoever wrote that fails in foresight.
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    • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
      Originally Posted by :Elective- View Post

      Whoever wrote that fails in foresight.
      So, you're saying other folks are better at foresight? Care to predict what the net will look like, or what new things we'll be doing on the 'net in 15 years?

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    Originally Posted by Matt MacPherson View Post

    A hilarious look back at a 1995 Newsweek article on the Internet! Make sure to check out the second last paragraph, last sentence. Ha!

    Clifford Stoll: Why Web Won't Be Nirvana - Newsweek
    Stoll dude = Nostradamoron.
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    hahahah, awesome!! thanks for sharing, made my day
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    Ha, yeah pretty funny to read, but then it was serious thing.

    Wonder where it takes us in future
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It's interesting how many here can't look back at that article with any more accuracy than Stoll could predict the future. Hindsight should be easier than foresight, shouldn't it?

      In the 70's (20 years before the article was printed) the university where I worked went "online" with a computer that filled a huge room. It was a massive machine and "we're online" was a big deal. It wasn't the internet but we were "connected".

      There are some funny predictions in the article but some insightful comments, too.

      Internet has become a wasteland of unfiltered data. You don't know what to ignore and what's worth reading.
      On many topics, that is true - hype, misdirection, politics, so many areas are full of info but lacking in fact. No matter what you believe on almost any topic - you can find a blogger somewhere who agrees with you.

      What's missing from this electronic wonderland? Human contact.

      A poor substitute it is, this virtual reality where frustration is legion and where--in the holy names of Education and Progress--important aspects of human interactions are relentlessly devalued
      That was an insightful comment - the result was the avalanche of participation in social media. MySpace, Facebook, Twitter.

      Ignoring the business aspect of Facebook and Twitter - these were designed to enable human interaction online. These sites provide a much wider range of "people contact" but at a shallow level of interaction. The "contact" void is filled online with legions of "friends" who are, in reality, strangers you have made contact with.

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    Everything written in that article is now the exact opposite. I love it.
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