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How I just made $800 for 30 min of work...

by jdmitchell
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hey guys.

I did make $800 for 30 min of work, and I am quite the IM newbie. So, let me show you how, as it is not hard to do what I did. You can do this with ZERO cash if you have to.

here is the meat and potatoes:

1. Search all the local websites in your area that are disgusting, and unkept.

2. Contact them, and sell them on the idea, and benefits of having an alive, beautiful web presence. (not hard to do)

3. Figure out what THEY want in a website. (this is key. You may try to sway them into what would be best for them, but remember in the end, they must like what you made for them. Even if they are a little out to lunch, just do what THEY want. You can't save the world when you are just starting out. Definitely offer suggestions...etc).

4. collect a $200 retainer from the client on the $1000 fee. $1000 is acceptable, especially if you agree to do monthly updates, mailing list, and article writing...etc

5. Collect all of the information from the client you need to complete the project

6. Go to template monster or some other pre-made template service, and pick out a template for them based upon your extensive prodding consultation into their personal tastes, occupation etc... (just use your best judgement. Because their current website is garbage, really anything is better. I have NEVER had anyone not like them yet. I have done this about 6 times. The key is to take the time to find out their tastes)

7. Buy the template. Most are about $50 USD.


8. Hit up E-lance, and post your project, what you want done, and a link to the template on template monster, so they can see it in action.

9. I have found that an acceptable price for this work is about $100. (Am I getting hosed??)

10. Have them format, and content, and make the site

11. Go back and forth between client, and designer until everything is cool

12. Collect the remaining coin from the client, and you have just made over $800 from moving around pieces of the commerce puzzle.

Thats it guys. Do 2 per month, and your bills should be paid.

Good luck!
#$800 #made #min #work
  • Profile picture of the author jdmitchell
    I almost forgot! I had said that $1000 is reasonable if you offer monthly upkeep. What I do is offer it at $50/mo. or $500 if you pay yearly upfront.

    Then I just outsource it to elance for $4/hr.
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  • Profile picture of the author mudmat
    Nicely done Mitchell!

    Hmm.. Why didn't I think about that?

    I tink I better find some local companies with a disgusting websites..
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    • Profile picture of the author YiKeS
      All that in 30 minutes? Bullshit ... geeez no wonder newbies get so
      disheartened when people post stuff like this then they don`t get it
      done in 30 minutes ... just like another similar post yesterday claiming
      $500 in 20 minutes work ... left out a GREAT deal of the details so was
      NOWHERE near just 20 minutes.

      THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS!

      THERE IS 12 STEPS

      Do you do each step in less than 3 minutes? :rolleyes: Prove it!

      Christopher J.

      P.S. Despite of my negativity here ... the method does work
      ... but not in 30 minutes ... be realistic here please

      ... and DO NOT use TemplateMonster either ...
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    There was another thread about this same thing. The other thread offered a much bigger carrot in that he was demonstrating value by bringing in new customers. This is vital to the sale. A business owner is not going to throw $1000 to an unknown entity without good reason.

    TomG.
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    • Profile picture of the author jdmitchell
      Business owners WILL throw down $1000 to an unknown entity, because I do this right now. Posts like this are retarded. Tom, I thank you for adding the fact that you might want to offer a bigger carrot by demonstrating value bringing in new customers.....But saying a business owner is not going to drop 1k down without that is ridiculous, as I just posted that I am doing it right now.

      So for anyone out there, OF COURSE you have more leverage by doing what Tommy boy said, but do not let that stop you if you do not know how to set it up that way. Just get your ass out there and do it : ) Get out there and sell yourself. If they trust you, you're in. There are many ways to gain trust...including what TomG said.
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        Originally Posted by jdmitchell View Post

        Business owners WILL throw down $1000 to an unknown entity, because I do this right now. But saying a business owner is not going to drop 1k down without that is ridiculous, as I just posted that I am doing it right now.

        Just get your ass out there and do it : )
        Yes this really is the only advice you need with this very simple business model.

        Go talk to some business owners.

        You can work everything else out from there.

        You can't get rich sitting on your arse!

        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      There was another thread about this same thing. The other thread offered a much bigger carrot in that he was demonstrating value by bringing in new customers. This is vital to the sale. A business owner is not going to throw $1000 to an unknown entity without good reason.

      TomG.
      Indeed they will throw down $1,000...in fact they'll throw down a whole lot more than that.

      I thnk it's fantastic that you've gone out and done this.

      And your approach is excellent.

      But you are waaaay underpricing your service.

      It is great to start out this way but you can get much more money for what you're doing.

      $1,500 to $6,000+ plus $50 to $500+ a month for maintenance is very possible.

      And getting 50% in advance is not too difficult either.

      The other thread mentioned is here...
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-its-free.html

      Since there are 23 pages of content there and counting it's probably best to go over there and take a look at the discussion.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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      • Profile picture of the author David
        Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

        Indeed they will throw down $1,000...in fact they'll throw down a whole lot more than that.

        I thnk it's fantastic that you've gone out and done this.

        And your approach is excellent.

        But you are waaaay underpricing your service.

        It is great to start out this way but you can get much more money for what you're doing.

        $1,500 to $6,000+ plus $50 to $500+ a month for maintenance is very possible.

        And getting 50% in advance is not too difficult either.

        The other thread mentioned is here...
        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-its-free.html

        Since there are 23 pages of content there and counting it's probably best to go over there and take a look at the discussion.

        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh
        damn, I dunno where you guys are finding companies that will throw down that much... perhaps I'm just not high up enough in the food chain.

        I'm pitching local service businesses, I fear I don't yet have the 'spit n polish' but I'm working on it.. .getting better all the time

        I use serps pages that I printed out and hand that to the prospective client, the serps are a sales prop, visceral, verifiable, unmistakable.

        it's working for me, but I'm not pulling the numbers you guys are seeing.

        I'll attack the medium size companies when I get what I consider to be a more substantial resume/ portfolio.

        In my area, a suburb of Washington DC (30 miles North) we're within the radio listening area of WTOP News radio.
        On that radio station a web design firm is blasting the local corporate world with this phrase:

        "You don't want a web design firm to learn on your dime"


        well I wouldn't want that either, so I'm building a portfolio
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        • Profile picture of the author L.Roman
          Hi, David, yeah, it's tough sometimes, your best bet is your warm market. Ask everyone you know if they know anyone who owns a company, that way you have a referral and it's much easier then the cold market, as far as the portfolio, I will say this, My portfolio had over 20 websites I developed and within 1 year, I was down too 5 sites which kept there site up, so the way I see it, it's very simple, "Client, What would you like for me to develop for you?" I have many professional designs for you, which one of these would you like?" "This one, great, your site will be up in a week!", just give me your text to include and we are all set!...lol....
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          • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
            I don't know about throwing down a thousand dollars or more to some unknown for website promotion.

            Nor do I know any business owners personally who would, as myself and most of my partners are solicited constantly with offers like these.

            You had better have a track record, references, portfolio, and other proof to back up any claims in order to pull that kind of money.

            Just before newbies start to get too excited about this.
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            • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
              Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post

              I don't know about throwing down a thousand dollars or more to some unknown for website promotion.

              Nor do I know any business owners personally who would, as myself and most of my partners are solicited constantly with offers like these.

              You had better have a track record, references, portfolio, and other proof to back up any claims in order to pull that kind of money.

              Just before newbies start to get too excited about this.

              I know it sounds crazy but you'll get hired by business owners who believe you will make them a profit and help them get what they want.

              While a track record can be helpful most of my small business clients hired me without seeing any of my work or knowing what I'd done in the past.

              Why?

              Because I took the time to get to know them and what they wanted from their business and gave them suggestions that were customized to their business.

              The process of building rapport and creating customized solutions is THE biggest part of getting hired for premium prices.

              I also have many, many people I've taught who've been hired without any kind of track record.

              The key is in the way you build the client/consultant relationship.

              Kindest regards,
              Andrew Cavanagh
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            • Profile picture of the author marcanthony
              Originally Posted by Eric Lorence View Post

              I don't know about throwing down a thousand dollars or more to some unknown for website promotion.

              Nor do I know any business owners personally who would, as myself and most of my partners are solicited constantly with offers like these.

              You had better have a track record, references, portfolio, and other proof to back up any claims in order to pull that kind of money.

              Just before newbies start to get too excited about this.
              I agree with Eric...

              When you are unknown - this is not that easy to do unless you are exceptional.

              And, the only exceptions are skilled salesmen...

              Here's a thought for those of you that want to try this:

              Form a corporation and invest a little money in buying business cards and flyers (postcards)

              Present yourself to prospective small business owners as a company backed by a team of skilled specialists rather than an individual.

              I am in no way challenging your claim of making $800 in 30 minutes... I have no way of proving or disproving your claims.

              However, I know that from personal experience that while it's not impossible, it's very difficult to walk into a business out of thin air and get a company to pay you $800 the very first time you meet them.

              Think about the principles that many of us live by online:

              We drive targeted traffic to sites where most people won't buy anything right away. This is why many of us use squeeze pages (the money is in the follow up).

              It's been proven that most people won't buy until they have seen an offer a few times.

              This same rule applies in the offline world as well - the bottom line is that the money is in the follow up.

              And if you are a nobody - the best way to make an impression on a small business owner that you want to do business with, is through your follow up skills.

              Because 9 times out of 10 - if you try to pull off what you have with the average business owner... most people would be unsuccessful.
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              • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
                I have a HUGE list of people who HAVE gone in as unknowns without a corporate name, without business cards and have been hired at $1,000 or more by business owners.

                That's what happens in the real world if you just take the time to build some rapport and trust with people.

                It's not theory...this is what real people are doing.

                On the other hand you do have to be willing to spend some serious time talking to business owners.

                Getting paid $1,000 to $5,000+ as my students do talking to a business owner for 30 minutes is not how this works,

                You need to take the time to get to know business owners...usually 2 hours or more in conversations where you spend most of your time asking questions and listening.

                The key that will get you hired is not impressing some business owner with your credibility or brilliance...it's simply finding out what they want from their business and providing them with a customized internet marketing solution that will help them (at least somewhat) to get it.

                Kindest regards,
                Andrew Cavanagh
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        • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
          Originally Posted by David View Post

          damn, I dunno where you guys are finding companies that will throw down that much... perhaps I'm just not high up enough in the food chain.

          I'm pitching local service businesses, I fear I don't yet have the 'spit n polish' but I'm working on it.. .getting better all the time

          I use serps pages that I printed out and hand that to the prospective client, the serps are a sales prop, visceral, verifiable, unmistakable.

          it's working for me, but I'm not pulling the numbers you guys are seeing.
          I think one of the reasons you're not able to get a higher price is because you're not customizing an internet marketing solution for your clients.

          If you really take the time to get to know a business owner and his business and most important of all what he wants from his business then you can come up with a customized solution that fits in with his goals.

          And he'll pay top dollar for that.

          Providing cookie cutter solutions without building a real relationship tends to get you very low prices.

          Building a real relationship tends to get you much higher prices and you can get hired over and over at higher prices for implementing an endless stream of customized solutions that you think up.

          Kindest regards,
          Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author jdmitchell
    Yup, you are right. It was a little longer. I can see how that statement would just drive the absolute beginner insane...

    Template monster gay..?? What would you recommend, and why?
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    • Profile picture of the author YiKeS
      Originally Posted by jdmitchell View Post

      Yup, you are right. It was a little longer.
      I can see how that statement would just drive the absolute beginner
      insane...

      Template monster gay..?? What would you recommend, and why?
      A little longer?? ... lol ... like ... days you say do 2 a month
      ... gee I`d be doing 10 a day if it took less than 1 hour ... although
      there`s only really enough local businesses near me here to keep me
      busy for ... maybe three days tops at that rate!

      Why only suggest two a month if it`s so quick?
      One every three days=10 a month X $800 .... mmmmmmmmmm

      ... c`mon .. be realistic and this time be truthful. How many
      do you think you could comfortably do each month? THAT is
      what I`d like to see ... THAT number ... take delays and stuff
      into account to please ...


      Template Monster is just that ... A TEMPLATE MONSTER! .. Last
      time I tried editing a template from them was like trying to edit a
      book the dog ate ... so yeah, that $100 for "mods" could most
      likely be slashed a bit with better templates ... maybe TM has
      changed but I won`t be buying a template to find out ... and
      I create me own now anyway or use the templates I have that
      are dead easy to edit in notepad mainly.

      So naturally I would recommend MEEEEEEEEE! ... lol

      But I`m way to busy k ...

      Christopher J.
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    • Profile picture of the author Curt Dillion
      Originally Posted by jdmitchell View Post

      Template monster gay..?? What would you recommend, and why?
      Lots of Warriors use, and recommend, Hostgator. They have more than 4000 templates available at the link section of cPanel. And, they are free to customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    As Andrew says...

    If you can't get contracts, you are not contacting enough people...

    Good stuff...

    -Lakshay
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

      As Andrew says...

      If you can't get contracts, you are not contacting enough people...
      While that's true it's even more true that if you're not getting hired by small business owners it's often because you're not spending LONG enough talking to each owner...asking them questions and finding out what they want and need.

      Rushing from one business owner to the next trying to sell them on something doesn't work.

      Taking the time to get to know business owners and build rapport and trust does work...very well.

      The real money is in creating customized internet marketing solutions for each business (you can charge a premium for a customized solution) and getting the same business to hire you over and over to implement the different ideas you come up with.

      Kindest regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior Markets
    The one thing that I'm missing here (and it's a problem with the money-making online niche generally) is this: what is the real end value to the client? OK, here, you could say the answer is you make him a nice website. But I'd see that as a means, and not the end; the end (nearly always) being sales.

    So in the example you've given there. OK, so you make him a website. Looks good. But he has no sales. Is that all we're aiming for? (Not that I'm saying that is wrong, I'm just asking is that the actual goal).

    If, however, we seek to give the client real value (ie, sales), how would that come about? This is not a 'moral' post; I'm not trying to say we're just taking clients' money and running with it. But purely from a business point of view, it makes sense to give value (sales).

    Or perhaps that's the 'advanced' stage?

    -WM
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by Warrior Markets View Post

      The one thing that I'm missing here (and it's a problem with the money-making online niche generally) is this: what is the real end value to the client? OK, here, you could say the answer is you make him a nice website. But I'd see that as a means, and not the end; the end (nearly always) being sales.

      If, however, we seek to give the client real value (ie, sales), how would that come about? This is not a 'moral' post; I'm not trying to say we're just taking clients' money and running with it. But purely from a business point of view, it makes sense to give value (sales).
      Giving value may not be just sales depending on what your client really wants but I agree with you here 100%.

      You should be going beyond this model and offering other services to help a business use their website to make them real sales and profits.

      You can also charge a WHOLE lot more if you do this and get hired over and over to implement different internet marketing money making strategies.

      Kindest regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author flnz400
    What are you guys doing for contracts in this arena?

    Seems like it would make sense to open an entity, and have a preprinted semi contract with fill in the blank sections. TOS on the back.

    Could help in closing the deal if professionally done, but it would be more personalized if specifically printed for each customer.

    Are you guys conducting yourselves like this at all?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
      Originally Posted by flnz400 View Post

      What are you guys doing for contracts in this arena?

      Seems like it would make sense to open an entity, and have a preprinted semi contract with fill in the blank sections. TOS on the back.

      Could help in closing the deal if professionally done, but it would be more personalized if specifically printed for each customer.

      Are you guys conducting yourselves like this at all?
      Never bothered with a contract myself and been doing this for nearly 4 months. The reason you don't need a contract is that I take all or at least a substantial amount upfront. I reiterate everything on email. I set up a direct debit (monthly automatic payment for those outside the UK) for the monthly maintence fee. If they cancel this then I'd stop their service. It goes ou before I pay the monthly fee for the autoresponder or my outsourcer to write the monthly newsletter. However once they see the results they're more than happy to continue paying me.

      Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author dieselpro
    JDMitchell, do you or your freelancer perform any SEO on these sites for added value?

    Do you recommend saying local, to avoid any possible litigation from Template Monster?
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    • Profile picture of the author jdmitchell
      flnz400,

      I do not bother with contracts at this point. Right now I am focusing on this as a method to inject a certain amount of cash to facilitate my move to Tokyo. At this point, I have worked off of referrals from my original client. Since she is a very trustworthy person, and well liked, the contract thing does not come up. And frankly, I do not see it as necessary at the moment.
      Although, if this was part of my long term business strategy, I would conduct myself exactly as you said.

      Dieselpro,

      I perform some Seo in the way of articles, wordpressed blogs, and backlinking & promotion using market samurai. But honestly, most of the competitors in the local markets are grossly under marketed, and have no idea about seo or internet marketing as has been said on this forum a gazillion times. This means, with a little spice, you can make their rankings quite nice. And I am a newbie as far as taking action goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbi
    It's not like this is something new, it's a proven way to start making some
    good income from doing pretty basic stuff if you know what your doing.

    The only thing I suggest is that you try to think little bit out of the box
    if your going to try this method. A little twist that has worked pretty
    good for me in the past is actually showing the business owner examples
    of how his/her site could look like. Also make it clear that you do ALL the
    work, the only thing they need to do is sit back and relax.

    This might sound risky because your actually doing the work without knowing
    if the owner is going to agree to it but it's well worth it.

    This might cost you $30 if you don't know any html or photoshop.

    First of all you pick one of many templates out there that are free to use
    as long as you leave the link on the bottom.

    Then locate the header image, find a cheap freelance designer to make
    a new header in the same size only with the owners logo and maybe add
    few cool affects to the design. If the store doesn't have a logo than make
    him design something that might be of interest.
    This might cost you $10

    Then when you have the design all setup just make few changes to the html
    so it fits the business. Most of them only need home - about - contact - etc...

    Then clear all the text in the template. For each page just add something like
    here is where you'll talk about your business, here is where people will be able
    to contact you, etc....

    If you can't do this and you'll be able to find someone to do this for maybe
    $10 to $20

    Now just load the stuff on your laptop and go the store owner and state your
    case. Before the owner can even start to think about if this is something he might
    be interested show the work. Show how you have without even talking
    to him/her already build a custom site that could be ready in few days.

    This shows that you know what your doing and your good at it!
    It really doesn't even matter if the owner doesn't like the design because you'll
    do what ever needs to be done.
    Ask as many questions about the company and shot your internet marketing ideas.

    ---

    This is basically just taking the extra step to close the deal!
    Do you need to do it like this... NO!! not at all, I'm just suggesting that you think
    outside of the box when you try new things. Don't just copy and paste

    Ebbi
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  • Profile picture of the author dieselpro
    This is a typical newbie question and I don't mean to pry, but about how much are you Warriors (JDMitchell, Ebbi, Richt1972) earning just flipping customized template websites to business owners at this point?

    I came upon this thread, while researching incorporating adsense with website templates (not much info surprisingly available on WF) and it seems this method is a stress free way to make some extra money, provided you're willing to market and be proactive about securing clientele. It's like a combo of website flipping (pre-built templates) and web design/mastering (customization and marketing).
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    • Profile picture of the author dieselpro
      Originally Posted by dieselpro View Post

      This is a typical newbie question and I don't mean to pry, but about how much are you Warriors (JDMitchell, Ebbi, Richt1972) earning just flipping customized template websites to business owners at this point?
      I meant Richt1971, 1972 is my date of birth, LOL.
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      • Profile picture of the author L.Roman
        Not throwing this thread down, but that's called being a "WebBroker", I've been doing that for the past 8 years...

        Tho I know I'm not the best skilled on the web, I use many resources to unite everyone and complete a project...It's a great thing once you've established your contacts and who will get invoulded in the projects.

        If you really want to make tha doe, you learn a little about web development and do it yourself and suck up all the profits...lol....A-LIL-Hint-Hint...lol...

        I would recommend everyone to do this, there is alot of money to be made this way!
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
      Originally Posted by dieselpro View Post

      This is a typical newbie question and I don't mean to pry, but about how much are you Warriors (JDMitchell, Ebbi, Richt1972) earning just flipping customized template websites to business owners at this point?

      I came upon this thread, while researching incorporating adsense with website templates (not much info surprisingly available on WF) and it seems this method is a stress free way to make some extra money, provided you're willing to market and be proactive about securing clientele. It's like a combo of website flipping (pre-built templates) and web design/mastering (customization and marketing).
      Hey,
      I don't use template websites although most of my solutions work from a template if that makes sense - I use the same criteria for my websites (basic but SEO friendly), opt-in pages or box.
      In terms of money my best week so far was £8K (or about $14K). I only do this part time as I have other online businesses to run. I've only been consulting offline for 4 months now and I must say it gets easier as I'm now getting referals and am getting known by the work I've already done. I've also revamped my prices as I now want to add fewer higher priced clients. Anyone can do this. You'll find business owners know very little about the pertential of the web or know it can be a great tool but haven't a clue how to use it!

      Rich
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      • Profile picture of the author jdmitchell
        Hey,

        Being the middleman is awesome, as you can scale the process, and take on much more jobs than if you were to start designing yourself. The real profits are in creating a tested, and optimized prospecting, and conversion system.
        Once you know the numbers, you just outsource, delegate/raise the bar, and rake in the money.

        There is a ridiculous amount of money to be made, as is anywhere you put smart and focused efforts into.

        As far as money I am making... I have now moved on to other forms of e-commerce, but I know that I was grossly undercharging my services.
        I could not tell you exactly what you could charge, as I would be pulling numbers out of my ass BUT, I would charge mid 4 figures, and negotiate from there.

        Earning potential is unlimited really. If you are interested in this as a break into the biz, just take the dive, and see if you enjoy the water!

        JD
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        • Profile picture of the author L.Roman
          Most of the clients I speak to have no idea where to go to improve their website. They don't trust any other site on the internet...That's where I come in... and provide them with great service....
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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    Nicely done, thanks for the free info, you should flesh it out into a fully fledged WSO, people would pay for this information in greater detail. Cheers for that.
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    Thank you a thousand times over!
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    Can you build the site yourself using xsitepro? After all the key is getting good SEO and a a good web marketing strategy for the client. Rather than merely a pretty site with all the bells and whistles for which you may need to edit graphics in Photoshop and use Dreamwever.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by madison_avenue View Post

      Can you build the site yourself using xsitepro? After all the key is getting good SEO and a a good web marketing strategy for the client. Rather than merely a pretty site with all the bells and whistles for which you may need to edit graphics in Photoshop and use Dreamwever.

      You can create a site any way you want using any tools you want.

      If you make your client more sales and/or more profits then you're providing them a valuable service.

      If you're making them more in profits than what they're paying you then you're worth your weight in gold.

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      Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    Gaining huge fees from offline business owners is definately achievable, but in 30 minutes, no way! To get a $1000 fee off of a business owner will take a bit of selling and the chances are you are going to have to speak to way more than 1 business owner to secure a check!

    The idea will work in principle and is definately a great post but won't happen in 30 minutes, no way!

    Just my 2 cents

    GoGetta
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    Awesome.

    I've just called one of my friends and partnered with him.

    He doesn't know much about IM, but he'll take care about business leads, and I take care about Elance and getting their sites ranked and bring leads.

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