ArticleBuzz.net charging authors

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Has anyone else received a Paypal invoice from ArticleBuzz.net when they submit articles? The invoice is nicely disguised as a donation request but reads like you can't submit unless you pay up. Only $7.99 for a year, but still... One site I'll be avoiding from now on.



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  • Profile picture of the author Kristy Taylor
    Yes I know that, I was just wanting to point out what they're doing.

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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    It'd only be worth it if they were really dominating other article directories in many ways, and as far as that goes I only know I haven't heard of this article directory, before.

    Nothing wrong with a paid service as long as it's clear. Surprising "donation" requests are just lame and unprofessional.
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    • Profile picture of the author phjohnso
      I saw this posting and found some humor in it as I currently own article buzz (d0t) net. The site gets a ton of traffic and it is a free service. The donation requests were sent out because the 27,000 + members that submit articles regularly use it as a free service. They don't bother to support the site by clicking an ad or two - but just take advantage of it without giving anything back. There was nothing disguised in the paypal request - I even stated that there was no obligation to send anything - those that have donated I thank you - if you were offended I'm sorry but I need to monetize the site. Traffic is going up and costs as well. Donations are gladly accepted. Thanks to all those that have donated...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          If you have ads on the site, then you are monetizing the site. The goal of a directory should never be that their contributors are clicking the ads - it's the traffic that content attracts that should be clicking the ads.

          I have never used your site, in fact, have never heard of it before but I would also find it very unprofessional to get a "donation" request as a surprise. As a writer, I also find it rather offensive that you feel it is okay for writers to help build YOUR site but then you expect them to pay for the privilege by clicking your ads.

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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by bhuff85 View Post

            I think that most people here are addressing some of the unprofessionalism in relation to disguising an invoice as a "donation".
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            Should've just avoided the whole donation and talking about the expectations of authors to click ads to "support the site" and just sent out a professional e-mail stating the way the article directory would be leaning in.
            He never asked authors to "click ads" in the email, but rather here in the forum.

            The owner of the site should realize that asking people to click the ads is in violation of Google Adsense TOS, and the TOS of most advertising networks.

            I would have handled it with a link as opposed to an invoice myself. That is the primary mistake I see in his handling, as he has shown us the actual email sent here:

            Originally Posted by phjohnso View Post

            The request that was sent out is as follows...

            Thank you for posting your articles and your use of our website articlebuzz.net. Because of you we are growing a LOT and our server usage is growing too. So much so that we are forced to ask you to donate for a lifetime membership to keep using our site for free and submitting all of the great articles that you do. Please find a PayPal bill for the small amount of .xx for your lifetime fee for using Articlebuzz.net - thank you. This will help offset the increased server costs and keep advertising off the site.


            This is not spam nor is it mandatory that you send anything. We are simply asking for your support. If you do not want to participate you may simply ignore this request. The next time you use our site you may feel differently.


            Thanks so much in advance for your support.

            Sincerely

            articlebuzz.net...

            The second mistake I see is with his wording of the email where he said the donation would help "keep advertising off the site". This should have been phrased differently to say that "paying the invoice would get rid of advertising on the site", or he should have taken advertising off the site in advance.


            Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

            If you have ads on the site, then you are monetizing the site. The goal of a directory should never be that their contributors are clicking the ads - it's the traffic that content attracts that should be clicking the ads.

            I have never used your site, in fact, have never heard of it before but I would also find it very unprofessional to get a "donation" request as a surprise. As a writer, I also find it rather offensive that you feel it is okay for writers to help build YOUR site but then you expect them to pay for the privilege by clicking your ads.

            Tina

            When you said, "If you have ads on the site, then you are monetizing the site", it would have been more accurately described as he was "trying to monetize the site."



            The economics of operating an article directory are not as simple and straight forward as what has been described.

            As you know, I operate 3 article directories - 2 public access and 1 paid access only.

            I am friends with many other article directory owners as well.

            On the paid-access-only, I offer article syndication services. The directory portion of the site is only available for article syndication clients. That site is monetized by the article syndication services I provide.

            Like EzineArticles, I try to monetize on both sides of the site. Like EZA, I charge fees to the article marketers, AND I have advertising on the site.

            I polled my clients before I added advertising to my site. Although that poll was done more than two years ago, 100% of people who responded to my poll said that they did not mind my including advertising with their articles on my site. I guess those who were opposed did not speak up.

            I have only heard from one client one time about advertising on the site, and that particular client asked me to put a different size ad block on the article pages, so as not to foul up the display of her articles.

            I catered to her specific request.




            On the two that are free-to-submit, I do have specific criteria (minimum word counts) for those article directories, that if not followed will result in the deletion of an article.

            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            it had quality articles when I built it because I approved each article manually and didn't let the junk in.
            Suzanne commented as to how when she owned the site, she manually approved all articles submitted to the site. Article Directories that continue to give value to its authors tend to follow this principle.

            If asked, Suzanne will be able to verify that manual approval of articles is time consuming and can take a couple hours a day.

            I utilize some automation with my system. I use scripts to scan articles for specific Red Flag criteria. Anything that matches a Red Flag is auto-deleted, leaving me with fewer articles to approve.



            So now that I have laid the framework for you to understand this setup, let me get into the economics of operating these article directories.

            Advertising - On the article syndication site, I run one Adsense block next to the article in the top left of the article block. This is the only article directory in my grouping that actually gets traffic to articles specifically. I generate about $110 per month from this Adsense placement.

            On the same site, I have an Amazon block in the lower left column under everything. I shoved it down in the corner to see if it generates any accidental interest. I am contemplating the replacement of Adsense with the Amazon block. But the Amazon block has only been on-site for a few days, so I have no expectations of whether it will produce results or not.

            On the other two sites, I have completely removed all Adsense, and placed Amazon blocks with the articles. Both also carry one top of the page banner, aimed at marketers, and one 468x60 banner for consumers.

            On the two free article directories, I earn just enough to cover my hosting costs!!!

            That leaves zero recompense for taking time to approve articles!!!



            On the article syndication site, 92.5% of all traffic to the site is going to the articles on the site.

            On the two free-to-submit article directories, 91% of all traffic is going through the Submit Articles area of the site!!

            We are prohibited by Adsense from putting ads in the Membership Area of the site, behind the passwords.

            But the challenge of putting advertising in the membership area of the Article Directory for the people submitting articles to the site is that they are "deeply focused" on submitting their content and not looking at my advertising!!!

            For a free-to-submit article directory to make money, one of three things must transpire:

            1) Sell up-sell services to article marketers;

            2) Email your members' mailing list;

            3) Take advantage of the available real estate for SEO or SEO services.

            To be honest, most article directories have little SEO value on the article pages, because Google has been diminishing their value over the years.

            If my other websites were not making money, I would not have a free-to-submit article directory, because they are notoriously difficult to monetize.

            The only free-to-submit article directories that I am aware are making money outside of EZA are those that either:

            1) Ask article marketers to pay a service fee to use the directory;

            2) Connect the usage of the service to a Submission Service;

            3) Utilize the mailing list of article marketers who use the site.

            Even though the mailing list aspect of article directories is generally the most profitable, it is not always a big winner, because the people using the free service tend to be 90% article marketing bums, who are intent on "never spending money" to build their businesses.


            Originally Posted by thegabrieljibril View Post

            thats really stupid....authors are doing them a favor by posting articles on their site, maybe the owners do not just get it. I would run from them.
            If you are at the end of this post and have not changed your mind, then I encourage you to run far away from any of my article directories.
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      • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
        Originally Posted by phjohnso View Post

        I saw this posting and found some humor in it as I currently own article buzz (d0t) net. The site gets a ton of traffic and it is a free service. The donation requests were sent out because the 27,000 + members that submit articles regularly use it as a free service. They don't bother to support the site by clicking an ad or two - but just take advantage of it without giving anything back. There was nothing disguised in the paypal request - I even stated that there was no obligation to send anything - those that have donated I thank you - if you were offended I'm sorry but I need to monetize the site. Traffic is going up and costs as well. Donations are gladly accepted. Thanks to all those that have donated...
        I never would have had an issue if you had just send a mail to your subscribers, telling that you were accepting donations. Hell, I might have even send one. But sending an invoice to my paypal for a donation? Sorry, I scratched you from my list, I just don't like the way you did this. Of course, that's my opinion, others might have had no issue with it, but I did.

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        • Profile picture of the author phjohnso
          The request that was sent out is as follows...

          Thank you for posting your articles and your use of our website articlebuzz.net. Because of you we are growing a LOT and our server usage is growing too. So much so that we are forced to ask you to donate for a lifetime membership to keep using our site for free and submitting all of the great articles that you do. Please find a PayPal bill for the small amount of $x.xx for your lifetime fee for using Articlebuzz.net - thank you. This will help offset the increased server costs and keep advertising off the site.


          This is not spam nor is it mandatory that you send anything. We are simply asking for your support. If you do not want to participate you may simply ignore this request. The next time you use our site you may feel differently.


          Thanks so much in advance for your support.

          Sincerely

          articlebuzz.net...
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by phjohnso View Post

            The request that was sent out is as follows...

            Thank you for posting your articles and your use of our website articlebuzz.net. Because of you we are growing a LOT and our server usage is growing too. So much so that we are forced to ask you to donate for a lifetime membership to keep using our site for free and submitting all of the great articles that you do. Please find a PayPal bill for the small amount of .xx for your lifetime fee for using Articlebuzz.net - thank you. This will help offset the increased server costs and keep advertising off the site.


            This is not spam nor is it mandatory that you send anything. We are simply asking for your support. If you do not want to participate you may simply ignore this request. The next time you use our site you may feel differently.


            Thanks so much in advance for your support.

            Sincerely

            articlebuzz.net...

            You don't need to apologize for asking for a donation any more than the Warrior Forum needs to apologize for charging for it's article section. Glad to see you doing something good with the site. Not sure if you bought it from me, but I built the site and sold it on Flippa and it had quality articles when I built it because I approved each article manually and didn't let the junk in.

            You've got a nice Alexa rating. Good luck with your site.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by phjohnso View Post

        I saw this posting and found some humor in it as I currently own article buzz (d0t) net. The site gets a ton of traffic and it is a free service. The donation requests were sent out because the 27,000 + members that submit articles regularly use it as a free service. They don't bother to support the site by clicking an ad or two - but just take advantage of it without giving anything back. There was nothing disguised in the paypal request - I even stated that there was no obligation to send anything - those that have donated I thank you - if you were offended I'm sorry but I need to monetize the site. Traffic is going up and costs as well. Donations are gladly accepted. Thanks to all those that have donated...

        Don't apologize!!

        It is YOUR property, and you are free to run it as YOU see fit to do.

        You are not the first article directory owner to take this step and the ones that have taken it have often built a better community on account of it!!

        I have never submitted to your site before, but if you enforce paid people in and free loaders out, count me in.

        Few article marketers realize that few article directories ever see a profit.

        Yet they want to believe that the owners of these properties should keep giving, when even they are unwilling to give themselves.

        If they don't like it, let em go take advantage of other people.

        It costs $60 year to post your articles in the Warrior Forum. You are asking only for $8 year.

        "Bum Marketing" should never be interpreted to mean that article marketers should pride themselves on being bums.
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        • Profile picture of the author cashcow
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          "Bum Marketing" should never be interpreted to mean that article marketers should pride themselves on being bums.
          I love that ... and so true!
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        • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Don't apologize!!

          It is YOUR property, and you are free to run it as YOU see fit to do.

          You are not the first article directory owner to take this step and the ones that have taken it have often built a better community on account of it!!

          I have never submitted to your site before, but if you enforce paid people in and free loaders out, count me in.

          Few article marketers realize that few article directories every see a profit.

          Yet they want to believe that the owners of these properties should keep giving, when even they are unwilling to give themselves.

          If they don't like it, let em go take advantage of other people.

          It costs $60 year to post your articles in the Warrior Forum. You are asking only for $8 year.

          "Bum Marketing" should never be interpreted to mean that article marketers should pride themselves on being bums.
          I think that most people here are addressing some of the unprofessionalism in relation to disguising an invoice as a "donation". You're right though. Nobody can tell anybody how to run their business. And, businesses don't have to listen to anyone else's opinions, because that's all they are.

          The only thing I disagree with is the expectations that a contributor would "click an ad or two" to show some "support". If I were advertising on that site and found out the owner was trying to get its authors to click links in lieu of financial support, I probably would pull my ad VERY quickly. Plus, expecting contributors to click ads doesn't even make sense. It's the people searching for that info that will be clicking ads.

          Should've just avoided the whole donation and talking about the expectations of authors to click ads to "support the site" and just sent out a professional e-mail stating the way the article directory would be leaning in. Heck, maybe offer a free option were users who wanted to stay on could submit a limited number of articles each month, while paid users can submit unlimited and have other benefits. If I found a site that had some decent benefits, I'd definitely fork over the cash, but would be a bit weary if it was presented in a manner that looks somewhat shady.

          Anyway, just throwing my opinion out there, but like you said, it's his business in the end.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I have never submitted to your site before, but if you enforce paid people in and free loaders out, count me in.
          Exactly what I've been thinking, since reading this rather weird thread.

          The title's clearly wrong, as you're actually not "charging authors".

          And where the poster above got his "or else", I can't imagine.

          I'd think you might be better off making this compulsory, rather than voluntary. I'd certainly be more interested in submitting on that basis, because I strongly suspect you'd gradually increase the average quality by getting rid of some of the less serious authors.

          I do article marketing for a living, so I'm interested only in quality directories from which I can get my work syndicated, i.e. sites to which webmasters and others routinely go in order to source their content. So, the higher the overall quality and the reliability, the better, from my perspective. If charging an annual fee helps that, good luck with it, and I'd look with interest.
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        • Profile picture of the author Terri Tutten
          I was one of the people who was surprised with a paypal invoice suddenly appearing, and I just immediately denied it - I don't think that's a very good way to do business.

          Had there been an advance email, or any communication at all that an invoice was on the way, I might have spent some time researching what it was all about. As it was, I can't remember submitting articles to the site, so I just assumed it was spam.

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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            I just want to point out a few things.

            First, those of us who take exception to what ArticleBuzz.net are doing are NOT disputing that the gentleman has a right to charge or not charge, nor are we sitting on our "bums".

            First - It isn't a charge and isn't stated anywhere on the site that he will send an invoice for a "donation". That is being handled completely unprofessionally.

            Second - Let me pick apart his post to explain exactly what offends me about it.

            The site gets a ton of traffic and it is a free service. The donation requests were sent out because the 27,000 + members that submit articles regularly use it as a free service.
            You state that it is a free service yet turn around and say you asked for money because the members are using it as a free service?

            They don't bother to support the site by clicking an ad or two - but just take advantage of it without giving anything back.
            The writer's content is building YOUR website at no cost to you. How is that taking advantage? You get content; they get links. Sounds like a trade-off to me. This attitude is what offended me with your post.

            There was nothing disguised in the paypal request - I even stated that there was no obligation to send anything - those that have donated I thank you - if you were offended I'm sorry but I need to monetize the site.
            You mean the 3 large blocks of Adsense, large Adsense banner ad, Kontera in-content links and the several Clickbank ads do not count as monetizing the site?

            Those of you who say he has the right to charge - I fully agree that he does. But it should be upfront and the author's should be aware of it from the get-go. I have to say, though, that I would certainly never pay him to have all that clutter by MY article - would you?

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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

              You mean the 3 large blocks of Adsense, large Adsense banner ad, Kontera in-content links and the several Clickbank ads do not count as monetizing the site?

              Those of you who say he has the right to charge - I fully agree that he does. But it should be upfront and the author's should be aware of it from the get-go. I have to say, though, that I would certainly never pay him to have all that clutter by MY article - would you?

              Tina
              Those blocks of Adsense didn't amount to jack when I built the site and I'm sure it has a lot more content and traffic now. I'll bet the Adsense doesn't even pay the hosting fee. You get your articles surrounded by junk in EZA, but it's free. It's obvious to me that it started out as a free service and now he'd like to go to a donation service, whether he approached that right or not, I don't know, but I would venture to guess that if the users paid a donation, and what he has asked is really a itty bitty amount, he might even be willing to get rid of some clutter. My guess is that the clutter isn't paying off for him.

              As for the content being a value to him ... it's only a value to him if it pays off. It if doesn't pay off, then it's of no value to him. It's just a site with a lot of worthless content.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
                As for the content being a value to him ... it's only a value to him if it pays off. It if doesn't pay off, then it's of no value to him. It's just a site with a lot of worthless content.
                Just let me say that I am in no way saying that he shouldn't charge for submissions - that would be a smart thing to do and if it eliminated a lot of the clutter, I think most writers would love it. My only issue with that was the way he went about it.

                The only other thing that bothered me was the tone of his first post, which I won't bother to quote again (lol). I think it is uncalled for to say the writers are taking advantage of him by using his service as it was advertised on his site.

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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                  Just let me say that I am in no way saying that he shouldn't charge for submissions - that would be a smart thing to do and if it eliminated a lot of the clutter, I think most writers would love it. My only issue with that was the way he went about it.

                  The only other thing that bothered me was the tone of his first post, which I won't bother to quote again (lol). I think it is uncalled for to say the writers are taking advantage of him by using his service as it was advertised on his site.

                  Tina
                  Yeah ... I agree with that. No one is ever taking advantage of an offer if the offer is free. They're doing what the site is built to do and advertises it does. I think sending an invoice was a bit of an aggressive way to try to go to a donation model. I probably would have sent an email rather than sending an automatic invoice. It's less surprising.
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  • Profile picture of the author powerspike
    What would you say if I told you how to get free publicity, targeted traffic, and more sales for your online endeavors? It's instant, easy, and affordable. How? With well-written articles, distributed to content-hungry web publishers for reprint. Your articles 'About the Author' box builds your expertise in the field, and builds back links to your website. The viral effect of distributing your content across cyberspace is unparalleled in the field of internet marketing.
    Directly from your website.

    You tell the writers it's free, and then send out an email saying pay up or else. It might not of been what you meant, but it's how it came across to people submitting articles to your website who submitted the article. If this isn't the case, then it might be best that you resend the email clarifying what you wanted to convey in the email, otherwise some of the criticism in this thread would be justified.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kristy Taylor
    From the Paypal Invoice (I don't submit directly to the site, I use a distribution service so never even heard of his site):

    "Note from merchant:
    Thank you for posting your articles and your use of our website articlebuzz.net. Because of you we are growing a LOT and our server useage and the benefits you gain by using our service are benefiting you. So much so that we are forced to ask you to donate for a lifetime membership to keep using our site for free and submitting all of the great articles that you do. Please find a paypal bill for the small amount of $7.99 for your lifetime fee for using Articlebuzz.net - thank you. This will help offset the increased server costs and keep advertising off the site.

    Thanks so much in advance for your support."


    Doesn't look like a request to me, it's an invoice that I would have to pay if I want to continue to submit articles. Fine, it that was stated on his site in the first place.

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  • Profile picture of the author sarahberra
    How silly! They should be paying you to promote their site!
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    • Profile picture of the author phjohnso
      This certainly has stimulated quite a bit of 'Buzz' here and I sincerely appreceate the direct responses. You see, I sent the Paypal invoice for a reason - it gets attention and usually doesn't get blocked by a spam filter. If I simply emailed the request as some of you stated you would prefer then the chances of you ever seeing it would be slim to none. I still have another 19,000 invoices to send out.

      The clutter of ads? It might be a bit much - and I'll pull them because they don't make money. The site is now averageing 360+ uniques a day with over 120 verified new authors a day as well. The Alexa traffic rank of the site is 75,753 and is getting almost 700 - 1000 new articles per day.

      I like the thought of converting the whole site to a paid basis and I'll keep that under advisement for future implementation. Thanks again everyong for your input - no matter what, your opinion counts!
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Personally, I think charging authors a small fee and not having any advertising is better all around.

    You will get better quality articles and wont have to weed through so much junk and if you structure the page layout properly, the authors will have the focus on their links back to their site or offer instead of an ad.

    You make more money, we get more clicks - doesn't get much better than that.

    You might want to check out how they do things over at website-articles.net

    I do agree with everyone else that sending a paypal invoice was kind of a tacky way to ask for donations because if you want to move to a paid model, the authors are your customers and you may have just alienated a few of them.

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  • Profile picture of the author bamidele_ba
    There are far more article directories that I can submit to - in fact, I'm just hearing that name for the first time.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by bamidele_ba View Post

      There are far more article directories that I can submit to - in fact, I'm just hearing that name for the first time.
      I have been around for a long time. I am pretty sure if I took the time to go dig, I could find my articles on ArticleBuzz.net. I am pretty darn sure I was posting articles to it when Suzanne owned it.
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