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Just Send Me On My Way...

by Branlan17
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Internet marketing confuses me. I try and work opt ins and email series into my websites and I end up getting frustrated over rates and conversions and I get a whole lot of nothing done. So here's what I want to do:

Make authority sites for CB niches. Each page is an article that I get ranked, and at the bottom is a product offer. Can these sites work? I just want to go go go and make lots of these sites.

But I'm afraid I can't reach where I want to be, $100 /day, if I don't use lists to pre-sell more but I feel like the time I spend worrying over tweaking page layouts and lists I could just be making another website or more pages and hopefully making some sales.

Can I make sites and reach $50 or even $100 /day consistently by just writing pre-sell articles for each page and then suggesting a CB product? Maybe once I get there I can go back and try to make the sites convert better but can this work for digital products?

- Brandon L
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Are you using squeeze pages? What I mean is, a page where the sole purpose of this page is just to get somebody on your list?

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    There's one example of a squeeze page. Just was using google to try and find one and found this. But often, a squeeze page can be even more simple. Just a simple headline, sub-headline and short paragraph on the left, with the opt-in form on the right or below, and it will be short enough to be above the fold, as in you don't have to scroll down to see the rest of the page, that's all there is. Trying to find one like that...

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    Another example I found using Google:

    http://speedsqueezepages.com/
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    While I appreciate that I was more wanting to know if the business plan was one that would work.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

      While I appreciate that I was more wanting to know if the business plan was one that would work.
      Of course it does. This is what just about every Guru does, their lists are what enable them to make consistent income every month. You need to test and modify your squeeze pages if they aren't converting for you...typically the simpler and more straightforward your squeeze page is with a strong call to action, the better it converts.

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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Of course it works. I've made over $120 this month from a list with 20 people on it. Still wonder if list building will work?

    My point was, the best way to get email opt-ins is to use a squeeze page, as opposed to working them in to your websites, which sounded to me like you just put an opt-in box somewhere on the page, as opposed to having a page which exists soley to get opt-ins.
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    My question was if I could make money without a list.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

      My question was if I could make money without a list.
      You could, but it won't be anywhere near as consistent as what you'd make with a list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

      My question was if I could make money without a list.
      You could.

      There are people who do, after all. And you have talent, so if there are people who do, you could certainly become one of them.

      But it's the very epitome of stacking the deck against yourself, compared with the alternatives. You can derive income that way, even in affiliate marketing, but it's not really "building a business", is it?

      I've been looking at your various threads for many months now, and wondering exactly what it is that really constitutes your overall stumbling-block with lists?

      I suspect that at some point (and maybe now's a good time?) it might help you to have a real think (and maybe conversations) about list-building and come to a firm conclusion that either you're going to embrace it and do it whole-heartedly, or that you're going to limit yourself to "non-list-building" sources of IM income. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it may help you to avoid (a) continuing to worry about it all the time, and (b) trying to do activities without a list for which most of the long-term income depends on having a list!

      And do tell me to go away and mind my own business, if you want to: you won't offend me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    Can I have SEO traffic go right to a squeeze page or does it work better to have them hit like a presell article then through to the squeeze page?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michelle Adams
    Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

    Make authority sites for CB niches. Each page is an article that I get ranked, and at the bottom is a product offer. Can these sites work? I just want to go go go and make lots of these sites.
    What's your idea of an authority site? Building lots of them in a go go go fashion doesn't sound like they'd end up being authoritative but I might be misunderstanding what you're stating.

    You can send traffic straight to a squeeze page. You won't need a pre-sell if your squeeze page is set up right and the traffic is targeted.
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    • Profile picture of the author sme
      yes you can make money by posting articles on your website and suggesting a clickbank product at the end.

      But you will have to think of an angle or a hook to get them clickthrough. you should try to presell them on the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
      Originally Posted by Michelle Adams View Post

      What's your idea of an authority site? Building lots of them in a go go go fashion doesn't sound like they'd end up being authoritative but I might be misunderstanding what you're stating.

      You can send traffic straight to a squeeze page. You won't need a pre-sell if your squeeze page is set up right and the traffic is targeted.
      I mean like each site will be 20ish pages, all pages linked in the sidebar, and each page will be an article relevant to a keyword which serves to presell and then suggest a click-through.

      I have a hard time knowing where I would fit an opt in into all of this if I were doing one though, because my traffic is coming from lots of keywords not just one where they all hit a squeeze page.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michelle Adams
        Twenty pages and a call to action on each page to get them to the sales page could work. Of course there are a lot of factors at play...one being the niche, the quality of the content, how targeted your traffic is and how well you can pre-sell the product to finally get your visitor to end up on the sales page...which hopefully converts well.

        If the market is broad enough it won't matter that you have a variety of keywords driving traffic to a squeeze page. For example if it were debt related, your squeeze page might give away the Top Ten Tips To Getting Out Of Debt Fast! If you target 'debt relief', 'getting out of credit card debt', etc all those terms will be relevant to the free offer.

        If you're determined not to build a list and just want to try the 20 pages and call to action then go for it, it could work.

        Personally, I suggest you do build a list though. In your scenario I would simply add another page to the site and make it the squeeze page. Don't have an opt-in on each page, perhaps a link to the 'free report' page in the navigation menu...that's mainly to give your pre-sell page and call to action a chance to prove itself.

        Then I would drive traffic to the squeeze page (paid or free) and roll out an auto-responder series slightly different to the content on the site and see if it proves to convert higher than your on-site/20 page attempts.

        Hope that helps.
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    Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

    Internet marketing confuses me. I try and work opt ins and email series into my websites and I end up getting frustrated over rates and conversions and I get a whole lot of nothing done.
    If the choice is between building authority sites and getting nothing done, choose the option where you get "something" done.

    I know that everyone recommends list building but if it's holding you back, forget about it. You can make money without it, and you can also add list building to your sites later. Just get something going now. Gain some experience and then list building or other advanced techniques won't seem so confusing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    My biggest hangup is knowing where to put it, I feel like people searching for "why am I always tired?" don't want to be hit with a free report/lessons offer from Google but I also don't know how to write an intro to the opt in if it's not gonna be the first thing they see above the fold when they hit my site.
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    • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
      I agree with the bulk of the answers, which seem to concur that while you can make money and not build your list, the best long-term approach is to use a squeeze page.

      A question closely related to this thread: I am about to begin promoting a product using a squeeze page (I want to build my list), but the most effective approach in this instance is to link from the squeeze page directly to the sales page, a technique which is essentially single opt-in, something with which I am not comfortable. Realizing that my thinking on this might be somewhat skewed, I would like some outside input.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

        Here's what I have setup right now: "Why Am I Always Tired?" - Free Course On Ending Tiredness - Why Am I Always Tired? - Free Course For Ending Tiredness
        Visitors are hitting this site from google searching "why am i always tired" "why am i so tired?" and "always feeling tired"

        What do you think?
        Brandon, I think you might be over-thinking this one a bit. The page copy sounds like it's straight out of some "killer copy" manual. It doesn't really speak to someone suffering from the condition.

        First off, if I'm always tired, the last thing I need is a 'course' to add to the problem. And labeling it a '$27 value' screams "sales pitch" for a start and raises red flags for an ending.

        "If he's got something worth $27, why does he want to give to any stranger with an email address? Unless he plans to make more than that off me later..."

        Your site structure also has problems.

        If you follow the menu bar, you see a link to an article about the causes of tiredness - a bulleted list of several items, which puts the lie to your home page and its claim of three reasons for fatigue.

        If you follow the blog link, you get an article about the three causes of fatigue. A reasonable person might think this is your course, until they click a link and find themselves on a sales page or back on your squeeze page.

        If you are going to use a squeeze page, it should offer only two options - subscribe or leave.

        Originally Posted by mcmahanusa View Post

        I agree with the bulk of the answers, which seem to concur that while you can make money and not build your list, the best long-term approach is to use a squeeze page.

        A question closely related to this thread: I am about to begin promoting a product using a squeeze page (I want to build my list), but the most effective approach in this instance is to link from the squeeze page directly to the sales page, a technique which is essentially single opt-in, something with which I am not comfortable. Realizing that my thinking on this might be somewhat skewed, I would like some outside input.
        There's nothing wrong with redirecting someone to the sales page as long as you aren't deceptive about it. It might mean putting your confirmation instructions on the main page instead of a thank you page, but as long as people know what to expect, you are not doing anything wrong.

        It's not the same thing as a single opt-in.

        If they don't confirm, they don't get email from you. They have had a chance to see your offer, though.

        With a single opt-in, you would add them to the list immediately and start emailing them, regardless of where you redirect them after they hit the submit button.

        Make sense?
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        • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          There's nothing wrong with redirecting someone to the sales page as long as you aren't deceptive about it. It might mean putting your confirmation instructions on the main page instead of a thank you page, but as long as people know what to expect, you are not doing anything wrong.

          It's not the same thing as a single opt-in.

          If they don't confirm, they don't get email from you. They have had a chance to see your offer, though.

          With a single opt-in, you would add them to the list immediately and start emailing them, regardless of where you redirect them after they hit the submit button.

          Make sense?
          Thanks. I've been impeded by tunnel vision on this, for some reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
    Here's what I have setup right now: "Why Am I Always Tired?" - Free Course On Ending Tiredness - Why Am I Always Tired? - Free Course For Ending Tiredness
    Visitors are hitting this site from google searching "why am i always tired" "why am i so tired?" and "always feeling tired"

    What do you think?
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