Please Rate Your Writers To Fellow Members

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I know that I am talking to the choir for the veteran marketers, but to the people just starting to outsource for content please let your fellow Warriors know of your experiences. Relay your good experience but also raise the red flags of your bad experiences with content writers you hire through here.

Currently there are a few that are either here now, or will be popping up soon, that are not looking to build a careers of writing. They are only looking to make a few bucks and run. Actually they neither wish to give quality content nor do they wish to be useful participating members of this community.

An example of the mentality of these few writers, "On the Warrior Forum, which Is probably the best (although the members are a mixed bag, there are 1000s of them) after a certain amount of posts you can PM (private message) members, or you can instantly gain the "privilege" by joining the "War Room."

Now I'm not gonna research this but the last time I looked it costs $37 to join, but if you are gonna have trouble making X amount of intelligent posts in a few hours it is probably worth the outlay.

So, once you are a war room warrior (LOL, this forum is the equivalent of the zombie forum for internet marketers) you can PM members who are advertising for writers and content providers without splashing your eHow links all over a public forum."


These are not the type of people you want writing your content. These writers will also not attempt to contact you through threads, but through PM. They will also use gmail or other types of free email accounts for correspondence.

Look, I know there are plenty of professional writers on this forum that are well known and do great work. There are new writers coming in that also do great work. Everybody makes good recommendations when they receive good work. I am asking that when you come across those that you do not get good value, let your fellow Warriors know that too. It is a waste of your time and money to pay for sub-par content.

No, I am not looking for work, I just don't want to see people taken advantage of when they are trying to build their businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    My "problem" is that my standards are just way to high. I attempted to outsource, but, not matter how much I paid, I have never been able to find the type of end-product that I'm looking for. When in a rush, I do let my fair share of grammar and spelling mistakes slip through, however, when I write for myself...I write VERY well....

    I don't have much experience to share since I haven't outsourced very much.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenwrites
      HA! I like that, "When I write for myself, I write very well". That is priceless. lol

      Look I just don't want to see good people shell out hard-earned money to hire people that quite frankly don't have enough respect for the craft. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if a writer markets themselves as a writer they should offer their best each and every time.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Oh...I agree...

        And, if I ever actually marketed myself to write for others (never even tried...although...hm....great idea!), I'd adhere to those standards. Maybe it's the military in me, but there's only ONE way to do things...the RIGHT way. Besides, I have way too much of a conscience. If I produced a sub-par piece of writing, by my own standards, I wouldn't be able to, in good conscience, sell that product to someone else.

        But, hey, that's just me...lol

        Originally Posted by Kenwrites View Post

        HA! I like that, "When I write for myself, I write very well". That is priceless. lol

        Look I just don't want to see good people shell out hard-earned money to hire people that quite frankly don't have enough respect for the craft. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if a writer markets themselves as a writer they should offer their best each and every time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      I am asking that when you come across those that you do not get good value, let your fellow Warriors know that too.
      Just a heads-up...

      If you are hoping others will post the names of folks they have been unsatisfied with here on the forum, you should know that practice is explicitly forbidden here. It comes under the jurisdiction of "Rule #1".

      Not sure how you would go about warning others, or for that matter, getting one person's criteria as to what constitutes good value to be accepted across the board by everyone else.

      ~Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenwrites
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Just a heads-up...

        If you are hoping others will post the names of folks they have been unsatisfied with here on the forum, you should know that practice is explicitly forbidden here. It comes under the jurisdiction of "Rule #1".

        Not sure how you would go about warning others, or for that matter, getting one person's criteria as to what constitutes good value to be accepted across the board by everyone else.

        ~Bill
        Yea, I thought about that AFTER I posted it. Don't know. It is just irritating as heck. Lots of writers starting out and serious about making a name for themselves while there are others just out here taking advantage of others.

        Makes it difficult for some of the new writers to make head way. That and I hate hearing about people literally throwing money out the window expecting to get quality. Lots of newbies here that just want to make a living.
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        • Profile picture of the author Supernatural_fan
          i completely understand what you are saying. i'm in this business as well, yet i do believe that as long as people, as employers, know how to communicate with a writer and ask for samples etc, he/she'll get a good idea if that writer is worth hiring or not. i mean, don't be too concerned about it. i think that a person that doesn't know how to recognize a very bad writer will learn this lesson on his own skin. there are a lot of bad writers out there and there always will be; it's not a usual "epidemic" to eradicate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I imagine that even some excellent writers would get bad reviews from time to time. Some people are never satisfied and are essentially picky perfectionists. Also, even among famous writers there are different "styles" that appeal to different people. It would be very challenging to know it the writing was actually bad or was the reviewer bad.

    It is nice to not want others to get ripped off by writing scammers. If you read through the WSO's and the Hire section I doubt if they last very long. Members usually post blunt comments about their results.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Kenwrites View Post

    Currently there are a few that are either here now, or will be popping up soon, that are not looking to build a careers of writing. They are only looking to make a few bucks and run.
    In other news, a lot of the people assembling burgers at McDonald's have no intention of EVER becoming professional chefs at four-star restaurants. They just want a paycheck.

    Unfortunately, those who do want to be professional chefs are not going to go assemble burgers at McDonald's for $8 an hour.

    Similarly, I am not going to write keyword articles for 60 cents every hundred words. It's just plain not going to happen. I'm not giving you a free sample, either.

    But this doesn't mean McDonald's should close down all their restaurants, nor does it mean that all the schlock-shovelers who buy a hundred keyword articles at a time - but won't spend more than $300 for them - need to shut their doors and get a "real" business plan.

    We all talk a good game about how everyone can have success and the law of attraction will make us all rich, but somebody needs to scrub the toilets.

    I'm not gonna do it.

    So no matter how sad it might make me that Jane or Pablo or Nguyen is just in it for a few bucks right now, instead of building a self-sufficient business that will lead to a comfortable lifestyle... I'm still pretty glad there are people doing that.

    Because that's what means I don't have to scrub the toilets, assemble burgers at McDonald's, or write a hundred articles for $300.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Because that's what means I don't have to scrub the toilets, assemble burgers at McDonald's, or write a hundred articles for $300.
      The world needs people to scrub toilets.

      And, the world needs people to make hamburgers at McDonald's.

      But, I'm not sure the world needs more $3 articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    I have used a few writers from here that I have been highly dissatisfied with. But as KJ said, I won't be naming names,I just won't use them again or recommend them.
    Same with some script installers and site designers.
    On the other hand if you see me name someone you will be assured they went well above and beyond what was expected.
    Both quality and customer service are very highly rated in my book.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Has anyone marketed themselves successfully here, on WF, for $30-$50 per article? This may be a huge misconception, however, those prices (no matter how good you are), don't seem like they'd stand a chance against $1-$5 per article writers here. I haven't even attempted to market my writing here because I believe I'm worth alot more than that AND...at least it 'appears' like many here have been conditioned by all the very low priced article writing services....

    This may not be true in all cases, however, I've tried purchasing articles for $5...let's just say....you get what you pay for....
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Has anyone marketed themselves successfully here, on WF, for $30-$50 per article?
      Not as an article writer. As a blog post writer, yes. As a report writer, yes. As a product writer, yes.

      It's all about positioning. Articles are perceived as cheap crap. If you're not writing cheap crap, don't call it articles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Not as an article writer. As a blog post writer, yes. As a report writer, yes. As a product writer, yes.

        It's all about positioning. Articles are perceived as cheap crap. If you're not writing cheap crap, don't call it articles.
        Hi Caliban,

        Generally this is correct, but I have done articles at $50 a piece on this forum. Mind you I wasn't selling a pack of 100 LOL!

        That was a case of me not wanting to write said article, and them knowing my weakness for money. It's a good life if you don't weaken, but a better one if you do

        Edit: It is a misconception to assume that everyone wants cheap SEO junk. Some business models are vastly different, and some quite bizarre in that their business is built on the value they offer their customers. It is rare I admit, but none the less...

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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Has anyone marketed themselves successfully here, on WF, for $30-$50 per article? This may be a huge misconception, however, those prices (no matter how good you are), don't seem like they'd stand a chance against $1-$5 per article writers here. I haven't even attempted to market my writing here because I believe I'm worth alot more than that AND...at least it 'appears' like many here have been conditioned by all the very low priced article writing services....

      This may not be true in all cases, however, I've tried purchasing articles for $5...let's just say....you get what you pay for....
      I don't charge that much for my writing here, but frankly, a more expensive writer is not competing with cheaper writers. To blatantly steal from Caliban, McDonalds is not competition for Volt.

      There are quite a lot of people here that think that five dollars is a king's ransom for an article and think that they get high quality for the price. But there are people who won't even consider hiring writers who charge that little because they know what kind of quality they generally get.

      When I started writing at the forum, I intentionally started by charging much less than I ever really intended to keep charging, because I was curious about how much price was a factor. What I found out was that the more I charged, the more requests I got for my services.

      I used to write a column for a mid sized newspaper about popculture. They apologized to me for what they considered to be a ridiculously low pay rate. That pay was seventy five dollars for about five hundred words. Something to keep in mind when looking at the pay rates around here.

      If you're good enough to write for money, you're good enough to write for more than minimum wage.
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
        And since we're rating writers, on a scale of 1 to 10 I'm at least a 19. Maybe 20, if I've been drinking.
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        • Profile picture of the author Supernatural_fan
          Originally Posted by Justin Jordan View Post

          And since we're rating writers, on a scale of 1 to 10 I'm at least a 19. Maybe 20, if I've been drinking.

          that was hilarious! good for you man! i'm surprised that newspaper considered $75 a low payment for 500 words. My gosh, am I the only one surprised here? i say that is a lot of money for one article. But hey, it was a newspaper after all. in this business, and especially on sites like freelancer i have never seen articles being paid with more than $5, and if i have, that employer was actually a scammer, without having the intention of actually paying the writers. I stumbled across such people, so I'm speaking from experience.
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          • Profile picture of the author cindybidar
            Originally Posted by Supernatural_fan View Post

            that was hilarious! good for you man! i'm surprised that newspaper considered $75 a low payment for 500 words. My gosh, am I the only one surprised here? i say that is a lot of money for one article. But hey, it was a newspaper after all. in this business, and especially on sites like freelancer i have never seen articles being paid with more than $5, and if i have, that employer was actually a scammer, without having the intention of actually paying the writers. I stumbled across such people, so I'm speaking from experience.
            When people start talking about what's acceptable pay for writers, there is a vast disconnect between offline and online businesses. I write web content and articles (for article marketing purposes) for offline businesses, and I routinely earn $50 per 500 words. (Which I think is pretty damn low, by the way.) These businesses value quality over quantity, and buy one or two articles per month, not hundreds. They also use a variety of other marketing methods.

            But online businesses - and by that I mean internet marketers, primarily, who do not have a physical location somewhere and who do not sell physical goods - tend to think $5 for a 500-word article is outrageous. But these businesses rely on huge quantities of articles for backlinking purposes. In other words, they value quantity over quality.

            They're two completely different business models, and if you're going to earn money as a writer, you have to know the difference, and decide where you're going to compete.
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  • Profile picture of the author profitsforall
    I'm just starting out with outsourcing writing and I'm going about it cautiously.
    I thought i'd describe the process I'm following.

    I'm looking in the warriors for hire section. I check the advert for anyone offering writing services - and if the English on the advert isn't up to scratch I stop looking and move on.

    If the English on the sales page is acceptable I then look to see any samples they have provided. Although I'm aware that the sample article could always have been outsourced to another writer, I can at least see if the quality means I should proceed to a purchase.

    I'll read testimonials - but don't base my decision off of them completely. I've seen a number of rave reviews, yet when I look at the sample it's not of the quality I would put on my site. It at least gives an indication that you will receive something.

    Once i've identified a writer I want to try I will go with an order. This won't be a big order, but enough that I can see what the delivery times are like and the quality.
    It's also for an amount of money that I'm okay with losing if the worst will happen.

    I figure in most cases I'll be able to salvage the articles if they are disappointing, but will scrub the writer off my list.

    I've only just started this process, and I'm confident that the first writer I'm trying will work out, but I will also try to find a couple of back up writers as good writers will tend to be busy

    I would also say I'm not sure if I would rely on a thread rating writers either, just because everyone has different ideas regarding quality and cost etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author TracyNeedham
    I think it's a good thing the WF prohibits people from naming names for bad writers or whatever because as Janice Sperry said, probably even the best writers would get complaints.

    Sometimes it's personality clash, sometimes a style clash and sometimes a client will never be happy with anyone else's work because they're stuck on the way they would have written it "if they had the time" and refuse to believe anything else could be as good.

    Oh, and then there are the clients who change the work before using it and complain when it doesn't work. LOL The list could go on...

    I am NOT saying this to complain, I'm just pointing out that negative reviews may not be all that helpful, just as good reviews aren't when they're posted by the person's friends who really have no clue what they're like to work with.

    I think the best we can do is encourage people who really do like a writer's (or any other provider's) work to sing their praises--citing some specifics about what they liked--when they see the opportunity.

    As for article pricing, cindybidar is right when she says, "When people start talking about what's acceptable pay for writers, there is a vast disconnect between offline and online businesses."

    I wouldn't even touch a 500-word article project for less than $250, and I usually get paid more than that. I just spend way too much time researching, fact-checking, writing, polishing and even positioning the article for that particular audience to do it for less.

    Obviously, I know that won't fly here in WF. But you can find audiences that value all that work elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    The saturation of so called 'article marketers' is just getting absurd. I used to write articles at $.04 per word and I thought that was extremely low. It's not just that you get what you pay for either - you get who you pay for as well.

    I've started wading into copywriting now - picking up some material from John Carlton and a bunch of the old favorites. Now I can see just how vast the divide between those you find writing for scraps and those making a wealthy living off of writing really is.

    Oh, this thread was about good writers? I'm cheap and thus have yet to find a good writer to outsource to on these threads. Not to mention that I much prefer to write my own copy (yes, even article marketing is copy).
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