A disturbing Trend in New Marketers...

It's an easy trap to get into. Been there, done that. Biggest lesson I learned was that it's okay to make mistakes. Being afraid paralyzed me for months, so I kept learning. Finally took action, make some mistakes, but did lots of things right.

the biggest lessons are learned by making mistakes and failing! Not "everything" can be learned from mistakes someone else made. Sure you can follow a course by someone and not make some common mistakes, but if someone wants to learn it all first and never wants to fail, I believe they will never truly have any real successes.

just my 2 cents.

This is actually a really good idea, never thought to think of it in a ration like that. But then, I don't have any problem taking action!

One thing I know for sure, if you don't take action you will never make any money!

Lee

had a dummy keep requesting a WSO refund LOL it was for like $10.

I even offered to help him and communicate via email...all for $10.... what a moron. Other members loved it and was helping them really break some barriers.
not 5 mins later he was back in the WF winging about how he cant make money. LOL.

He obviously needed it more than I, so I did refund him. but I totally agree with the OP.

Nice post. Alot of newbie just dont understand, you cant push a button and make money. IT takes consistent action day to day to get where you want to be. If you cant take action on 1 WSO, buying 5 or 6 of them will not help you.

commit, take action and stop crying. If you are not making money, doing nothing will not solve your problems.

I got a mentor when things got tough for me, and that cleared up everything.

Great post, I think all the newbies in here should read it.

I noticed that reading emails also doesn't make me money. How about you guys?

TomG.

Good points! I think Eric Louviere has said in the past that when someone complains to him that they are not making money, he asks them how many order buttons they have up on the 'net. In most cases, they have none! It's a big wake up call for a lot of people

And of course -- Jason's ratio of learning to action is amazingly inspirational! Getting out of "learning mode" and into implementation mode is key.

I have a thought on this topic, James... good one to bring up, by the way... thanks.

I think the sheer size of opportunities within IM and Make Money Online niches is the culprit for many who complain about not making money. Yes, it ultimately comes down to the individual not sticking things out with one solid choice and completing all the tasks required to truly evaluate the system. No argument. But, I liken this to kids in a candy store. The desire is there in spades. But the more candy choices there are, the more of those kids that will be paralyzed by indecision. And then, of that group who stare and drool with a "deer in the headlights" look for a few hours, there will be some who eventually shake their heads, fling the drool, and pick something. But then, if the first bite or two isn't really really satisfying, they drop it and go back to wandering around catatonic for a while. They end up picking a lot of candy varieties, taking a couple bites, dropping it, and moving on to the next one.

Know what happens to those kids over time, other than a really bad stomach ache? They get bitter. They say no candy is really any good and the candy "syndicate" is all a big sham out to fleece them of their hard-earned allowance.

I just think it's a double-edged sword that there are so many choices when it comes to IM and making money online. Certain personality types will flit around in perpetuity, end up bitter, and complain that you can't really make money online because nothing ever works. The answer is clear, but some people just will never see it: stop moving around, pick a good candy instead of always searching for the one perfect candy, and get to eating.

John

it has always been the way, and will always be the way...

the way I see it, if everybody actually took action, and implemented on successful business models, then my competition would be higher..

So im pretty happy with the percentage of sloths

The universe rewards ACTION!

If the action you take is to work ON your business, you will be rewarded as so.
If the action you take is to 'learn more first', resulting in NO action taken on your business, you will be rewarded as so.

You know what I learned, the biggest obstacle in IM is?

anyone, anyone....

YOU! (me)

Get out of your own way!

Greg

Good advice I whined about my lack of success for about 2 years and then finally stopped whining and really started to work hard and within 2 weeks I was making some money, actually doing something can produce amazing results

We're (humans) so bad at retaining information that it's almost pointless to learn ... change direction and the start learning again.

Because you'll only retain a small percentage of that info 48 hours then 16 days ... I can't remember the exact figures but studies proved it (... proof of my point : ) then nothing is ever going to sink in like it should.

Or to learn and apply - you at least reinforces that knowledge and adds the experience factor. You've just turned theory into reality through application.

Plus I don't think it's a disturbing trend in new marketers ... I'm going to be cynical and say it's a bit more like the default human condition because we're all a little too lazy.

Or it's not really a priority ... we just think it is.

Think diets, new years resolutions ... and so on.

You would be surprised how many "newbies" think they need to learn more techniques.

This leads to procrastination. A huge number of people (including me back in the day) procrastinate like crazy because they keep trying to learn new things or read success stories to inspire them. They don't bother to actually go out there and build their future with the knowledge they already have.

Lazy, yes, some more than others, but as part of our genetic code as if you insinuate as 'the default human condition'.

I completely disagree.

Technology has done that. Society has done that. Not the human condition. NO NO.

We have become complacent. We are CONDITIONED.

We are used to witnessing situations develop, explode and become resolved in 30-60 minutes. How? Television. From the sit-com to dramas.

And don't get me started on the general sense of entitlement most people walk around with!

This "I am special" generation of politically correct, sue-happy society.

I am not 'old', and when I was inschool and had a project, I had to get dressed, pack a bookbag, walk a mile , catch a bus, ride it for 45 minutes, cross a street to go to the public Library to do research. Typewriters and report covers and the whole nine yards.

Now?

Millions of results in a fraction of a second from Google.

Instant society. Impulse. Take a picture, wait to finish the roll, go to the store to get it developed with a minimum of a 1 day turnaround?

NOPE!

Instant picture and withing minutes (less if you are fast) it can be live on the web or in an email across the world for someone to see.

We have become CONDITIONED to expect things quicker. I get upset when it takes more than 3 seconds to load a page on the net now. I forgot what it was like with dial up and 56k modems.

Remember the pagers that ONLY vibrated, and you had to 'know' who was paging you? I do.

Are all of these things bad things? No WAY! (I could go on, but this soap box is about to break)

I am just saying that I disagree that it is part of the 'default' human condition.

We are not 'default' like that. No way.

Nice thread BTW.

Greg

But internet marketing is hard and the gurus keep stealing all my money.

Great video. Never be afraid to fail. Throw enough s**t at the wall and see what sticks.

The biggest problem is the lack of focus and discipline. I guess it doesn't help with the fact that many shinny new tools are coming up every single day, they are a distraction.

James, Hmm. I think you're painting with too broad a brush there. If I wrote 5 articles every 8 days, I suspect I could do pretty well with just that. Not a bad idea, really. 3 to distribute to generate new sign-ups for the newsletter, and 2 to go to my subscribers.

I think you and I may be talking about entirely different things when we use the word 'article,' though.

I realize what you meant by that statement, but it's misleading nonetheless. It assumes a specific distribution model and scope of content that isn't at all in sync with the whole market. That's not uncommon.


Paul

You're right Paul.

If YOU wrote 5 articles in 8 days it would bring in results...

And, you're also right that I was using it as an analogy for taking little actions (I think most of the people who read my statement understood that).

But what if I wasn't using it as an analogy?... I'd still stand behind that statement.

We might have to agree to disagree on this one, but my point is that you, as an already well known and respected marketer would get results from even 1 article because you're a known person in this business...

Whereas someone just starting out (especially in the IM niche) would get almost no traction from those articles because it would set off people's BS meter...

People would see the 5 articles, see that they selling some kind of IM product in their bio box and think "I see what you're doing, you're trying to sell this product... but I don't know you. You don't have a reputation. What could you possible be able to teach me if you can't market yourself well enough for me to have heard of you".

But if you take MASSIVE action and put up like 5 articles a day... When that person comes along, reads your article, and initially thinks "BS".... They will see you have 20,30, 40 articles about the topic and think "mmm... I don't know this person, but they've written a lot about this topic... maybe he does know what he's talking about and I'm out of the loop"

James, That has very little to do with it. The reason I could do well with it is because I can write in ways that readers can get real-world value from.

Nothing overcomes the BS-meter like measurable results.

I could step into any of several niches in which I am both well-informed and completely unknown and do the same thing. Practical creativity, for example. Probably the most valuable info I've ever written was on that subject. (It was one of those things that would have taken more effort to not write than to write.)

Anyone can do it. It's just a matter of knowing what you want to say, and saying it in an interesting way.


Paul

Man, if I knew what I know now, and hadn't wasted years "learning" all I could, I'd probably be a millionaire by now. The problem is that without knowledge, people don't know what actions to take, so taking action isn't the only factor here. A healthy ratio should also take into consideration the quality of the information received.

Thank you James, you definitely put into me the desire to take action!
Thank you!

Looks like we can click somewhere to thank someone, I'm new here, so anybody please tell me where I should click to thank someone's post?

Thank you

CD - You were awesome during the chat last friday night.

Also, I agree with you, creativity does need room to breathe.... I've created 48 videos in the last 23 days, and believe me there are days I struggle to come up with something new to say (those are the videos I don't put up as threads ).

But again, I wasn't really making a statement about articles themselves, and clearly I should have used a different example...but I was talking about taking action in general. No matter what you do - do it consistently and do it as much as you can.

I don't mean you need to go crazy and do 40 things in one day and completely burn yourself out. I consider my 48 videos in less than a month to be pretty massive (and consistent) action. My point is simple - if you don't get results right after trying something, it doesn't mean what you tried doesn't work.

I guess I can see both sides of this. What if someone is taking action but consistently wrong action? I don't thinks it hurts to pace yourself to learn something sometimes maybe that would cut down on some of the spam we see.

Here is a quote I like "Enthusiasm without knowledge is no good. Haste makes mistakes."

I'm not saying fall victim to analysis paralysis and you have to avoid info overload as well.

Be constantly learning well and applying at the same time.

Some fantastic points made in this thread.

The reason the trend seems to be in New Marketers is because all the old ones who tried it found IM "didn't work" and have left, or discovered the right way to do things are then became successful.

When I first started it was great, for the first couple of weeks. Was given a truck load of things I could, instructions on how to do them, and told to take Massive Action.

The problem was you can't take Massive Action on all of them. So pick 1 or 2 and do them. After spending time learning how to do them, of course.

But were they the right ones?

Am I wasting time with these when something else would work better?

Am I wasting time because I'm writing crappy articles or ads?

Unfortunately most newcomers don't know enough to decide.

The experienced may know only because of experience - what has worked before.

Fear, not just of losing money but wasting time doing the WRONG THING is what holds a lot of people back.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute, and ask .... what are these "wrong things"?

Are articles wrong?
Are videos wrong?
Is blogging wrong?
Is building relationships for JV's wrong?
Is creating your own products wrong?

It seams to me that it all works... It's just that most people quit before their efforts get traction.

This gets funny after a while. "Throwing crap at the wall" indeed.

If you paint something attractive and frame it well, lots of people would gladly put it on their own walls. You don't have to "throw" anything, or hope that it "sticks."

Would you like to know why many people fail at this game? Because so many others tell them to focus on massive action, rather than thoughtful interaction.

The two are not mutually exclusive, to be sure, but the second provides a far better guarantee of success than the first. And it gives you something more stable than "crap" to build on.


Paul

Work hard.
Work smart.
Work hard and smart until you only have to work smart.

Persistence is the key in this business. i have found that if you can find the right simple basic program with:
1. Videos to teach
2. A teacher or mentor to teach you like looking over his shoulder
3. A conviction when the money comes in
4. Stick to this same program until you are making enough money
5. Then go onto the next program.
6. Implement(Or find the customers) to build your list.

Information Overload is a thief of time.I wandered around in the cyberspace wilderness Reading everything I can get my hands on. Only ONE MAN CAME TO THE PARTY which turned my life around hence the reason I created my first website.