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I Want YOU To really THINK about these questions....

by JayXtreme
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I'm going to ask a few questions here, I'm just playing a little devil's advocate and have some thoughts on a few things..

Here goes:

1. If you have never lost a significant amount of weight on a diet.. how can you market in the weight loss/dieting niche?

2. If you have never played a round of golf.. how can you market in the golfing niche?

3. If you have never had and successfully got rid of acne.. how can you market acne products?

4. If you have never played world of warcraft.. how can you sell WOW guides in that niche?

5. If you have never been a photographer.. how can you push your "expertise" on unsuspecting photography n00bs?

Remember.. I'm just throwin these questions out there for discussion and thoughts...(devil's advocate)

My thoughts on this topic are probably not what you think based on my asking of these questions...

But I'll tell you where I stand later

Peace

Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Research

    I'm involved in quite a few niches that I don't have any experience in. However, with good research and a decent SEO strategy I am still able to make consistent money.

    There are some niches though, in my opinion at least, like the make money online niche that I think you should stay away from if you can't actually walk the walk.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    The unpleasant reality?

    If you're like 99% of "marketers" out there you just rip off another product and rewrite it for your own use- copyright and ethics be damned.

    Or, if it's the "make money" niche you just regurgitate what others say and pose as an expert.

    In reality there are many ethical ways you can sell to a market you are unfamiliar with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Jay

      By the same token, do you think the people who sell dog food should have tasted the product?

      I know you're only being devil's avocado, but that's just to illustrate that you don't necessarily need personal experience to sell something.


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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        Jay

        By the same token, do you think the people who sell dog food should have tasted the product?

        I know you're only being devil's avocado, but that's just to illustrate that you don't necessarily need personal experience to sell something.


        Frank
        Frank my friend...

        what a perfect example..Thank you.. even better than the ladies shoe salesman I was thinking of

        Peace

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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      The unpleasant reality?

      If you're like 99% of "marketers" out there you just rip off another product and rewrite it for your own use- copyright and ethics be damned.
      99%? Give me a break.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenJ
        I agree with the point steve is making here

        But......

        It is so much easier when you know the niche you are in. You can skip past the research and write great relevant content with little effort.

        You will also instinctively "know" many of the phrases and keywords you need to use in your copy.

        e.g.

        For my guitar site I know about strats, les pauls, sg's and so on. I've been playing them all my life.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by kenj View Post

          I agree with the point steve is making here

          But......

          It is so much easier when you know the niche you are in. You can skip past the research and write great relevant content with little effort.

          You will also instinctively "know" many of the phrases and keywords you need to use in your copy.

          e.g.

          For my guitar site I know about strats, les pauls, sg's and so on. I've been playing them all my life.

          Ken, that's a different kind of marketing, and yes, it works great, but I
          think the point is, it's not required to be successful.

          Will it make it easier if you can talk intelligently about something? Sure.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
          Originally Posted by kenj View Post

          I agree with the point steve is making here

          But......

          It is so much easier when you know the niche you are in. You can skip past the research and write great relevant content with little effort.

          You will also instinctively "know" many of the phrases and keywords you need to use in your copy.

          e.g.

          For my guitar site I know about strats, les pauls, sg's and so on. I've been playing them all my life.
          Ken,

          I actually agree with you 100%. Must be the fact that we share the same name.

          When I train people on choosing a profitable niche one of my criteria is that they start by looking at niches they know the best, are customers of, or have some kind of affinity for.

          The reasoning goes well beyond greater ease in writing copy. When you market to an audience you understand and authentically relate to, they know it. It comes through not just in everything you write but literally in everything you do.

          The power of this as a marketing principle is massive.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Pereira
    By outsourcing to an expert that does actually know what they're talking about.

    I have no knowledge (and no desire to know anything more about) various niches, but I've sold products, custom ones, not affiliate ones, in them that have done fairly well. Let the 'expert' take care of creating the product... and I'll take care of marketing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
      The answer is simple and it's exactly what I train my students to do.

      Take the information out there that people are already buying and make it better.

      Don't plagiarize or copy directly, but rather add to the core of it. Make it more efficient, more user-friendly, whatever. Take your own thinking, genius and expertise and improve the existing products in the marketplace.

      Then create powerful marketing and positioning by crafting a story around your solution that's authentic. Don't lie.

      Finally take care of the customer.

      There it is. The rough blueprint for a six-figure internet business.

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      • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
        Interview experts on your topics , jv with them on the lists/ profits to get what you want.

        Write it, audio and video it , three products from 1 meeting .

        use the content towards your promotional articles and blog input.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallastico View Post

      By outsourcing to an expert that does actually know what they're talking about.

      I have no knowledge (and no desire to know anything more about) various niches, but I've sold products, custom ones, not affiliate ones, in them that have done fairly well. Let the 'expert' take care of creating the product... and I'll take care of marketing it.
      Jay, this guy beat me to it.

      YOU don't need to know jack about jill in order to get up the hill. You just need to know how to sell jill the pale of water.

      (And yes, that is an original quote I made up on the spot...that's wine for ya).
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  • Profile picture of the author stevecl
    easy, research and lots of it. Its amazing what you can learn on the world wide web :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Ram
      No problem at all.

      I am a marketer. That's my expertise.

      I may not play golf, but I can market to golfers.

      I may not need to lose weight, but I can market to people who do.

      etc., etc., etc.

      Marketing expertise, research into your target market - and an understanding of human behavior - combined with testing and tracking.

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    p.s. I am actively involved in all the niche's I mentioned above..
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    • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
      You can learn marketing in general. This has nothing to do with any specific niche. The general principles will be the same. Once you learn the concepts of marketing then you can go into different niches. SO how do you actually learn about these niches? The same way one learns about things in general. By doing reading and research.

      But it may happen that you don't want to spend time researching niches. Then you can find someone experienced in the niche and get them to share their knowledge. You may have gone to forums and other places to find out what questions people in that niche were asking and then you can simply ask those questions to the expert that you are getting the research from. SO basically you can market the expert's knowledge on the subject. You can partner with them and be able to market in your niche.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Oh no you don't, you're not suckin me into this one.

        When I was 10 years old, back in the day when you were allowed to do
        these things, I walked around my neighborhood selling greeting cards. Now,
        I was quite the precocious little boy. I was a lot smarter than most kids my
        age.

        Most would walk up to the door, ring the bell and say, "Would you like to
        buy some greeting cards?" to which the door would get slammed in their
        face.

        Me? Well, I was already doing magic shows for people in halls of 300 or more
        so I wasn't afraid to talk to people.

        When they'd open the door, I'd say, "Would you like to see the most
        fantasmal greeting cards around?" And I'd take a sample that I was holding
        in my hand (the best one in the collection) and I'd raise my hand up and
        almost stick the sample in the ladies face...all the time putting on my cute
        little boyish grin. Oh I was such a cute kid.

        Anyway, I sold more of those greeting cards simply because of my
        delightful personality than anybody else in my area selling those ugly
        things. Yeah, they were flat out awful. But I sold 'em because I was cute
        and I "believed" that they were cool, even showing them to the prospect
        as I was spilling this manure.

        Hey, I didn't do anything wrong. I showed them the card. I let them see
        how God awful ugly it was. But I did it with a smile and they bought.

        Those cards sold for a $1.25 a box.

        I made about $40 that summer. I'll never forget it as long as I live.

        You don't have to know a damn thing about the product to sell it. You
        just have to be a good salesperson and let the prospect decide on their
        own if they want to buy.

        Having said that, I have my limits. I won't lie. Now, you could say I was
        lying when I asked the prospect if they wanted to see the most fantasmal
        greeting cards around. Yes, I did use the word fantasmal back then. Have
        no idea where I got it from. Anyway, all I was doing was giving my
        opinion of the product. The prospect could see that it was an ugly card
        so I wasn't trying to hide anything. But the way I presented it made it
        so that the "card" itself didn't matter. They were buying the cute kid.

        If you give the prospect enough "truthful" information so that in spite of
        what YOU say they can see the "real deal" then it's up to them if they
        want to go by your recommendation or not.

        How does this apply to IM?

        I sell some products that I really do believe in, even though, after getting
        the books and looking at the sales pages, they could be a lot better. But
        they have value because I can see where the value is, even if it's just
        one useful tip. And THAT is what I focus on with my review. I don't say
        that 90% of the book probably won't help you. I say, "You have got to
        read the stuff on page 29. It is worth the price of the whole book alone"
        which, truthfully, it is. I'm not lying.

        Yeah, I know...I'm gonna get a lot of stones thrown at me for this post,
        but that's okay. At least I review the products I promote. Some people
        will just promote anything without even knowing what's in it. And no, if
        I review a product that is TOTAL crap, not only won't I sell it, I will blast
        that product with my review.

        And throughout all this process, I don't have to be an expert in the area
        of whatever the product is. I am just giving my opinion of it based on
        what I read. Nothing more, nothing less.

        Like one person said, you're not going to taste dogfood in order to sell it.

        And don't even start with the "yeah, but your dog can tell if it's good or
        not." Bull cookies. My wife has a dog that would eat anything you put in
        front of it. If it wasn't nailed down...it was gone.

        Anyway, that's my 2 cents on a subject that I swore I wasn't going to
        get sucked into.
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        • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Oh no you don't, you're not suckin me into this one.

          When I was 10 years old, back in the day when you were allowed to do
          these things, I walked around my neighborhood selling greeting cards. Now,
          I was quite the precocious little boy. I was a lot smarter than most kids my
          age.

          Most would walk up to the door, ring the bell and say, "Would you like to
          buy some greeting cards?" to which the door would get slammed in their
          face.

          Me? Well, I was already doing magic shows for people in halls of 300 or more
          so I wasn't afraid to talk to people.

          When they'd open the door, I'd say, "Would you like to see the most
          fantasmal greeting cards around?" And I'd take a sample that I was holding
          in my hand (the best one in the collection) and I'd raise my hand up and
          almost stick the sample in the ladies face...all the time putting on my cute
          little boyish grin. Oh I was such a cute kid.

          Anyway, I sold more of those greeting cards simply because of my
          delightful personality than anybody else in my area selling those ugly
          things. Yeah, they were flat out awful. But I sold 'em because I was cute
          and I "believed" that they were cool, even showing them to the prospect
          as I was spilling this manure.

          Hey, I didn't do anything wrong. I showed them the card. I let them see
          how God awful ugly it was. But I did it with a smile and they bought.

          Those cards sold for a $1.25 a box.

          I made about $40 that summer. I'll never forget it as long as I live.

          You don't have to know a damn thing about the product to sell it. You
          just have to be a good salesperson and let the prospect decide on their
          own if they want to buy.

          Having said that, I have my limits. I won't lie. Now, you could say I was
          lying when I asked the prospect if they wanted to see the most fantasmal
          greeting cards around. Yes, I did use the word fantasmal back then. Have
          no idea where I got it from. Anyway, all I was doing was giving my
          opinion of the product. The prospect could see that it was an ugly card
          so I wasn't trying to hide anything. But the way I presented it made it
          so that the "card" itself didn't matter. They were buying the cute kid.

          If you give the prospect enough "truthful" information so that in spite of
          what YOU say they can see the "real deal" then it's up to them if they
          want to go by your recommendation or not.

          How does this apply to IM?

          I sell some products that I really do believe in, even though, after getting
          the books and looking at the sales pages, they could be a lot better. But
          they have value because I can see where the value is, even if it's just
          one useful tip. And THAT is what I focus on with my review. I don't say
          that 90% of the book probably won't help you. I say, "You have got to
          read the stuff on page 29. It is worth the price of the whole book alone"
          which, truthfully, it is. I'm not lying.

          Yeah, I know...I'm gonna get a lot of stones thrown at me for this post,
          but that's okay. At least I review the products I promote. Some people
          will just promote anything without even knowing what's in it. And no, if
          I review a product that is TOTAL crap, not only won't I sell it, I will blast
          that product with my review.

          And throughout all this process, I don't have to be an expert in the area
          of whatever the product is. I am just giving my opinion of it based on
          what I read. Nothing more, nothing less.

          Like one person said, you're not going to taste dogfood in order to sell it.

          And don't even start with the "yeah, but your dog can tell if it's good or
          not." Bull cookies. My wife has a dog that would eat anything you put in
          front of it. If it wasn't nailed down...it was gone.

          Anyway, that's my 2 cents on a subject that I swore I wasn't going to
          get sucked into.

          Thanks for your thoughts Waggerz..

          MUCH appreciated as always.

          Peace

          Jay
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Okay, I'm going to throw some more manure on the fire.

            Darn you Jay, why did you have to get me started on this?

            Here's the conversation over Instant Messaging between the sales person
            and the prospect. The sales person is Joe, the prospect is Sam.

            Joe: Hey Sam, remember you were telling me that you were thinking about
            making money online?

            Sam: Yeah, what about it?

            Joe: I think you might want to look at this sales page.

            Sam: Why?

            Joe: Because there are people who've gotten this thing that area reporting
            earnings of up to $10,000 a month.

            Sam: Are you sh*ttin me?

            Joe: No man, go to the page and read it yourself.

            Sam: Where is it?

            Joe: Hold on, I'll send you the URL. (Sends cloaked affiliate link)

            Sam: Think this'll work?

            Joe: Hey, the guy says he'll give you your money back if it don't so
            whaddaya got to lose?

            In other words, you don't have to be the freakin social proof. The sales
            page, if it is written well, will do that for you.

            All you're doing is pointing somebody to something that might help them.

            Okay, I need to close this thread down and pretend it isn't here before
            I end up getting hauled out of here on a rail.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ram
            One of the problems people have with this is that their ego gets tied into their business.

            They want to be seen as the "expert" or "guru." They want the admiration, etc. Especially in the make money niche.

            Yes, being well known can make you money. Many will buy on your name alone.

            But the biggest earners I know in the IM business are not the biggest names. They are the guys behind the scenes, promoting others' products on a massive scale. If they have their own, and many do, they use pen names or just brand names.

            Don't be scared by the words "massive scale." Every one of them worked up to that.

            One guy I know weighs more than 300 lbs and makes a fortune in weight loss. Better than six figures monthly - net. And no products of his own.

            But damn, he can market!

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        • Profile picture of the author fred67
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Oh no you don't, you're not suckin me into this one.

          When I was 10 years old, back in the day when you were allowed to do
          these things, I walked around my neighborhood selling greeting cards. Now,
          I was quite the precocious little boy. I was a lot smarter than most kids my
          age.

          .
          You sound like the sort of lad I'd have been in direct competition with when I was a kid :-)

          Never sold cards, just my 'time' as odd-job/errand boy & general bike-tyre-fixer for the 'oldies' in our village.

          I was never short of a few bob :-)

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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            Jay

            Are you saying I should not create my new guide "Mining Berillium X Out Of Martian Craters For Fun And Profit" just because I haven't quite, exactly been to Mars? I mean, I did spend a night removing peanuts out of the belly button of a very scary woman who could have been from outer space. Shouldn't that count as some related experience.
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            • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
              Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

              Jay

              Are you saying I should not create my new guide "Mining Berillium X Out Of Martian Craters For Fun And Profit" just because I haven't quite, exactly been to Mars? I mean, I did spend a night removing peanuts out of the belly button of a very scary woman who could have been from outer space. Shouldn't that count as some related experience.
              lmao...

              Back on topic:.....

              Thanks for your thoughts everyone...

              PLEASE remember... I am NOT implying that anything I said is the way I think, feel or act..

              Nor am I saying that any of the above is right or wrong.. I'm just throwing it out there for discussion... it intrigues me a little and I was curious to discuss it with y'all...

              As I said, I picked the niche's I did above because I am actively involved in them all but I had never even talked about with anyone before I was marketing to those crowds..

              I find it highly amusing and out of this world that people can walk/type around the forum telling other people not to get into niche's that they don't know about..

              "do something you can write about!"

              "follow your passion!"

              "Don't try the make money niche until you have made some money!"

              The above is all crazy...

              You do NOT need to be an expert to make money in ANY niche that has profit potential there.

              It just so happened that I personally didn't go into the make money niche until a little later in my marketing time, BUT, that doesn't mean that is the right way for someone else..

              As Carrie would say.. Jus Sayin'

              Much love to all warriors

              Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Great thoughts as usual Ken..

    Thanks for them dude

    Peace

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      There's an enormous difference between having done something and having expertise in how to do something.

      For example, a VP of Communications for a health care organization doesn't need to be a doctor to understand the benefits of using the organization's services.
      Short but sweet Mike, eh? thank you

      Your opinion is valued greatly...


      Peace

      Jay

      p.s. To all who are thinking about this... let me put this to you..

      Out of a now 20 conduit sites... I have 19 of them making sales.. and the traffic NEVER, EVER knows my name, never knows what I do or do not know.. nothing.. just honest reviews...

      and the refunds are non-existant.. so far
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        Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

        Short but sweet Mike, eh? thank you
        Out of a now 20 conduit sites... I have 19 of them making sales.. and the traffic NEVER, EVER knows my name, never knows what I do or do not know.. nothing.. just honest reviews... [/B]

        and the refunds are non-existant.. so far
        Well, that's the cool thing about conduit sites. You're just an unbiased reporter. At least I try to be - by even 'reporting' scathing user feedback when it seems credible and/or voluminous.

        I find that strategy works well on my conduit sites because the "peoples' pick" looks even better on paper...
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        • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
          Hey Jay,

          Online sales & marketing is very different from the offline world....

          *when you are face to face with a prospect, you better know your
          oats. You better know all the features and how they benefit the
          client. Otherwise, you will not be perceived as being a credible
          sales person......

          *when you sell online, you are not in front of the client, eyeball
          to eyeball, belly to belly......You have the luxury of anonymity
          and the factor of delayed time for research to any tricky questions
          posted on a blog or via email.

          So, you can very easily be perceived as an expert online.....

          You will never get away with this ethically in the offline sales
          world.

          Regards

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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    I agree with research. For example you may be skinny and not have to lose weight. But you can do research to see what people have to do to lose weight. Or you may have clear skin but do research on what it takes to clear up acne.

    On the other hand you can have acne and use a certain method to clear up your acne, sell a product for it, but maybe it won't work for another acne sufferer.

    As for world of warcraft thats another thread. I have tried to understand that niche but I just can't to save my life because it seems for a bunch of crackheads who have nothing to do but live in a crazy fantasy land. (No offense to any wow people intended) but I wrote an article about it for someone and that research gave me a huge headache and I think what I read and wrote is English but I cant be sure because only a few words were familiar to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bigsofty
    I did things the other way round, learned how best to lose weight while doing so, created a great product and am now somewhat clueless how to market it


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  • Profile picture of the author MeTellYou
    someone once said that a copywriter is like a prostitute... I think it might have been Michel Fortin or David G. I don't remember...

    maybe it's similar with us? what do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Pete223
    The only time I truly believe you should be an "expert" in your niche would be if you need to
    interact with clients...

    Nothing is worse IMO, then somebody "stalling" to gather the information needed for an
    answer... or something we see Offline quite often... think of how many times you ask a
    salesman or rep a question and they turn to somebody else for the answer...

    I always think to myself, why am I not talking directly with this person in the first place!

    Regards, Pete
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
    I don't think it's an issue. Just because you are the one who profits from the exchange doesn't mean you have to be the originator of the information. Just the same as buying items from a brick and mortar store doesn't mean the store owner made or even supports those items.

    For information brokers, we trade on "expertise" which is entirely subjective. The fact is, if you research a niche for a month, you're probably considered an "expert" by the average person, simply because you know more than they do.

    For me, it doesn't matter much at all. If you follow Frank Kern's Mass Control stuff, he points out that NOT being an established expert can actually be a benefit to your marketing as long as the results are real. And they don't have to be your own personal results as long as they're true.

    My $0.02.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    You're right Steve... 100%..

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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Gallivan
    Hi Jay

    I don't think you have to have done something yourself to know how to market it.

    I know how a guy should check for testicular cancer but needless to say, I've never been able to check myself :-)

    That wouldn't stop me from marketing products or advice on the importance of regular checks.

    Best wishes

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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Thanks everyone for their thoughts so far...

    Great stuff

    Peace

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    • Profile picture of the author naruq
      I have sold products online and offline where people knew more about the products then myself. However, I understood marketing. Therefore, I was able to do research and market the products and services successsfully.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Quote from Stephen:

    "Having said that, I have my limits. I won't lie. Now, you could say I was
    lying when I asked the prospect if they wanted to see the most fantasmal
    greeting cards around. Yes, I did use the word fantasmal back then."

    You were telling the truth with "fantasmal." Mal mean bad and fatas is a short form of fantastic.

    You were calling the cards fantastically bad.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

      Quote from Stephen:

      "Having said that, I have my limits. I won't lie. Now, you could say I was
      lying when I asked the prospect if they wanted to see the most fantasmal
      greeting cards around. Yes, I did use the word fantasmal back then."

      You were telling the truth with "fantasmal." Mal mean bad and fatas is a short form of fantastic.

      You were calling the cards fantastically bad.

      :-Don
      OMG, I never even realized that. I thought it meant GREAT.

      Shows you how much I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott_Thomas
    Try switching the questions around...

    1. If you have lost a significant amount of weight on a diet.. can you market in the weight loss/dieting niche?

    2. If you have played a round of golf for 10 years.. can you market in the golfing niche?

    3. If you have had and successfully got rid of acne.. can you market acne products?

    4. If you play world of warcraft every day.. can you sell WOW guides in that niche?

    5. If you are a professional photographer.. can you push your "expertise" on unsuspecting photography n00bs?

    The answers are pretty much the same. Just because you are an "expert" in a niche doesn't mean you can effectively market. And, just because you know nothing about a niche doesn't mean you can't effectively market.

    The key ingredient is your ability to effectively market. Marketing is more about knowing people than knowing products.

    If someone wanted to sell a product they have little or no experience with, their time would be better spent learning the skill of marketing rather than becoming a product expert.

    That being said, you should still have some knowledge of whatever you are marketing and you should believe in what you are selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
    To answer the original question... are the CEOs of amazon.com or Barnes & Noble experts in every topic covered by every book they sell?
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  • Profile picture of the author adsander25
    Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

    I'm going to ask a few questions here, I'm just playing a little devil's advocate and have some thoughts on a few things..

    Here goes:

    1. If you have never lost a significant amount of weight on a diet.. how can you market in the weight loss/dieting niche?

    2. If you have never played a round of golf.. how can you market in the golfing niche?

    3. If you have never had and successfully got rid of acne.. how can you market acne products?

    4. If you have never played world of warcraft.. how can you sell WOW guides in that niche?

    5. If you have never been a photographer.. how can you push your "expertise" on unsuspecting photography n00bs?

    Remember.. I'm just throwin these questions out there for discussion and thoughts...(devil's advocate)

    My thoughts on this topic are probably not what you think based on my asking of these questions...

    But I'll tell you where I stand later

    Peace

    Jay

    With alitte common since and google you can find out anything you need to know to beable to sell anything. With common since and google you could sell a car to a turtle. Its all about motivation. If you really want to sell something and you know very little or nothing about it then you will get off your but and find out what you need to know to sell it. As i said before by use google you can find out everything thing you need to know to beable to sell anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash Blasters Online
    The first thing I look for is a way to make money fast.
    Go where the money is and become an expert.
    But my deep inside belief is this, I already know a ton of information about - How to Make money online, I am an expert in Music,I know a lot about the art of selling and how to use computers and codes, I competed in sports, I own a recording studio and an Industrial Wood Shop and have been involved in High Tech Welding and I am a very talented oil painter and have sold to collectors. In other words, I have done a lot in my life and I can talk about almost any subject. I have been on radio, had music played across the USA and also had my own radio program.Not to mention the tons of concerts I have done.....I can relate to people on a stage very well.
    Sooooooooo ya think I am bragging?.....NO WAY.....what I am saying is this, I can talk about many subjects and sell in many different area's.
    Now......if I could only SPELLLLL good...LOL.....and even though I am not a great speller, I have written 5 ebooks and made tons of cash off them over the years.
    My point is do what you know. But remember also to go where the money is. So do some research before you make a niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobsstuff
    If you own a bookstore how can you sell books you have never read?

    Many brick and mortar stores promote things they are not expert in. Many of those same stores hire $8 clerks who "help" you find exactly what you need to improve your golf swing.

    Why do you have to be an expert to promote a product?
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  • Profile picture of the author stanwyck
    Jeremy touched on this, but I wondered if everyone would be able to stand by his remarks if Jay had included:

    6. If you have never made money with IM.. how can you offer those kinds of products to unsuspecting noobs?
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    • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
      Originally Posted by stanwyck View Post

      Jeremy touched on this, but I wondered if everyone would be able to stand by his remarks if Jay had included:

      6. If you have never made money with IM.. how can you offer those kinds of products to unsuspecting noobs?
      well youve gotta start somewhere havent you.
      I mean everyone on here at some point hadnt made money in the IM field, yet were selling/ promoting something in the IM field.
      Else theyd still not have made any money in the IM field. Until your first IM sale. nobody has made money in the IM field.

      But I know where youre coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author fruitpie
    It is all about selling and how you promote the product. There are so many ways to do this, as you all are aware. We each have our own niche and have found what works for us. It takes work but with the right mentoring and learning as we go, there is money to be made.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      The only thing i dont like is so called "newbies" pretending they know about internet marketing and selling products in that specific niche. Im one of those newbies and i would never dare do this. I started a blog called OnlineCashJourney and made like $12 in the first day.

      Some of you are laughing but, i had never, ever made money online before so this was great. Straight after that adsense screwed me, i had to wait like 2 weeks for the ads to re-generate again. In that time i realized i was leading to be a fruad. I shut the blog down that day.

      I have always said that i will not market "Internet Marketing" or "MMO" type niches until i successfully market other niches. It might be my own downfall but hey at the end of the day i know i can sleep well.

      p.s. notice some of the newbies like myself have links to their MMO sites, they must be experts
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
    None of the executives at Boeing can actually fly one of their products nor have many of them run a successful airline.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Doyle
    As teh saying goes ... you MUST think outside the box. When you think of the most OBVIOUS solution on how to market these products ... I can guarantee you that a lot of OTHER people have thought of that solution as well.

    Gotta get your brain working and think of OTHER ideas that aren't so obvious. But nothing beats proper research
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  • Profile picture of the author Warren Tattersall
    Your questions touch on one of the basic prnciples of marketing - approach people from the direction of their own self image. This is right on the money.
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