What I Do To Make $369.86 A Day

[Talltom1]

Hey Steve,

I sent you a PM a few days ago telling you how much I appreciate your candid posts about what you do, and how you do it. This is valuable information; it is the reader's choice to accept or reject any or all of it. It is also an unfortunate choice to be judgemental about your lifestyle too.

I also work very hard for many hours out of the day. I personally find, however, that if I do not keep my life in balance with other activities, exercise, hobbies, football games, etc., that my brain simply goes into hyperdrive and my productivity drops way off. I get my best 'stuff' during my downtime. Then I drop what I'm doing, run for my laptop, and resume working.

Whether any of us chooses to work 26 hours a day or not, the lesson I personally learned from your OP was to organize and structure your day doing the specific tasks each day, every day, that pay the bills. I'm going to do the same organizational analysis of my work day, starting....well, sometime soon. :-))

Steve, thank you very much for sharing this type of information with us as a group, and I apologize for the behavior of a few who lurk here.

Talltom

[Steven Wagenheim]

I'm sorry this thread has turned into this. I shouldn't let people like him get
to me, but when I was in high school, I didn't date. I didn't go out. I
studied almost all the time. I wanted to make something of myself and yes,
I did love school. But everybody was telling me how I was wasting my life
not having any fun going out with girls and playing basketball or whatever.

Well, it bugged me then and it bugs me now.

Nobody tells me what I like or don't like. Want to tell me they'd never live
my life? Fine, but it's MY life and I'll live it as I want.

[tanya7zhou]

Goodluck with everything Steven. One good thing people can learn from you is discipline, committment and persistence.

[Talltom1]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Nobody tells me what I like or don't like. Want to tell me they'd never live
my life? Fine, but it's MY life and I'll live it as I want.

Easy big fella, easy, no sudden moves...exhale

[Jared Alberghini]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I'm sorry this thread has turned into this. I shouldn't let people like him get
to me, but when I was in high school, I didn't date. I didn't go out. I
studied almost all the time. I wanted to make something of myself and yes,
I did love school. But everybody was telling me how I was wasting my life
not having any fun going out with girls and playing basketball or whatever.

Well, it bugged me then and it bugs me now.

Nobody tells me what I like or don't like. Want to tell me they'd never live
my life? Fine, but it's MY life and I'll live it as I want.

Don't apologize for someone else's actions... I understand and relate to you, and I know it get's under your skin, but don't let it get to you!

Everyone knows the initial direction of your post and we all appreciate you sharing your knowledge/information.

- Jared

[Mike Bogowski]

Whoa and it all started out so sweet and innocent!

My father always says:

"Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Seems like a lot of work SW and as stated if you enjoy it more power to you mate. Thats what its all about and youve made a success out of yourself with that exact schedule.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Mike Benkovich

Whoa and it all started out so sweet and innocent!

My father always says:

"Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

Mike, your father is a very wise man. That is a killer quote. I have to
remember it for the future or when my daughter runs into the same
idiots.

[Seattle Mike]

Thanks for sharing your daily schedule. It helpful to a lot of us to see a great way to plan our day and get work accomplished. To see exactly why you are so successful at this. Gives us ideas.

You make a good full time income doing this. You are your own boss. You don't need a day job or awful supervisor. No commute. You are in control of your own life. You work when you want to.

I think that is the essence of what most of us are looking for with any home business?

Do you have to work hard to have any successful business? I think so at least until you outsource work.

If you worked that many hours a week at a job... I would call you a workaholic.
Working that many hours for yourself is totally different. A lot of the time it doesn't even feel like work. Especially when you see those incoming sales. It keeps me going.

[Carl Pruitt]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I resent your tone. I resent your whole post. My life is CERTAINLY
worth living. I enjoy my life. I do make time for my wife and daughter
when they're around, which is not often because of THEIR schedules.

This routine may not be for you, and that's fine. But don't try to make
me feel like I am wasting my life.

I don't appreciate is, especially your last question.

Steven,

Many people tend to suffer from a compulsion to impose their own values on other people. The rancor surrounding politics is evidence enough of this.

My father passed away a few months ago. Just one month shy of his 80th birthday. Even though he most definitely could have very comfortably retired from his law practice decades earlier, he worked more hours every day than most up and coming apprentice lawyers until his last hospital stay. Because he loved his work, it was more relaxing to him than idly sitting on any beach.

Those were his values and I truly believe he wouldn't have made it as long as he did without his work. I have nothing but pure admiration for his work ethic. .

I'm a Tim Ferris fan myself when it comes to work scheduling in my own life although I haven't perfected it and frequently end up working more hours than he recommends, But since you are happy with your work schedule I wouldn't presume to force my values onto your life.

I can only congratulate you on your success and your own enjoyment of your own life. I can't wait to see your new product.

[Martin Luxton]

Steven,

The answer to our friend from Seattle's barb was actually already there in your posts.

You are investing your time in your family's future.

Because you have an highly developed sense of responsibility you won't be one of those people who reach 65 and think "How will I look after my family now?"

Life is full of trade-offs. I would love to spend hours a day playing with my son, but I have to exchange some of my time with him now to guarantee his future.

As you said, there is a tipping point to look forward to where you will have more time and money. That's what we should all be aiming for - to become Andy Henry .

Martin

[globalpro]

Ahh Steve,

Let it go. You made a great post and I thank you for it.

I appreciate the fact that you love what you do and are happy doing it. Since you sound like your are a bit older, I can relate to what you are saying about the balance in your life with work an family.

The important thing is it's your life and you live it as you choose. Happiness becomes relative in comparison to fulfillment. If your life is full and complete, then you are happy.

Once again, thanks for the inspirational post.

Thanks,

John

[bobsstuff]

Thank you Steven,
Your posts are an inspiration to a lot of people.
I spend a lot of hours every day eaking (sp?) out my meager living.
I look forward to the day I can make $369.86 a day, even if I have to work 7 days a week to do it.

HOWEVER, after I get there, I think I'll try to slow down a little. I'm getting older and could use some slack time LOL

[Merlinthecat]

As I have previously said, Steven is one of the posters on here whose messages are to be absorbed without a sense of hesitation. As a relative newcomer to the world of IM, it is easy, as many of you well know, to become overwhelmed with the complexities (perceived or real) and to suffer from information overload. This situation then leads to a sense of frustration and, following the odd false start or two, to a feeling of doubt.

At this point this forum can either be a shining light or a source of further frustration. However, as you go forward you learn to separate the wheat from the chaff and a significant part of this learning curve involves the ability to read "between the posts", to view the interactions between senior warriors and to make the correct assumptions.

Which is a long winded way to say thank you for posting - as a lot of newcomers here will be indeed heartened to see that "it" can indeed be done!

Nigel

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Merlinthecat

As I have previously said, Steven is one of the posters on here whose messages are to be absorbed without a sense of hesitation. As a relative newcomer to the world of IM, it is easy, as many of you well know, to become overwhelmed with the complexities (perceived or real) and to suffer from information overload. This situation then leads to a sense of frustration and, following the odd false start or two, to a feeling of doubt.

At this point this forum can either be a shining light or a source of further frustration. However, as you go forward you learn to separate the wheat from the chaff and a significant part of this learning curve involves the ability to read "between the posts", to view the interactions between senior warriors and to make the correct assumptions.

Which is a long winded way to say thank you for posting - as a lot of newcomers here will be indeed heartened to see that "it" can indeed be done!

Nigel

Nigel, sure it can be done, and a lot easier than the way I am currently
doing it now. Like I said, my life isn't for everybody, but I enjoy it. Work
keeps me sane. I can't just sit around and watch TV or go out shopping.
I do this because I enjoy it. But by all means, if people can find a better
way, do it. If you don't want to work and have the money to outsource
everything, all you really need to do is the niche research. Find out what
people want, identify the problem, come up with a solution and then go
hire a bunch of people to create it for you. It's really that simple.

[stanwyck]

Not sure if this is a good time to post this or not, but I just wanted to say that I read

5:30 PM - 10:30 PM - This is my "me" time. What I mean by me time is
that I spend this time thinking of new ideas. Maybe something comes up
that I want to work on. This is the time I usually spend for doing niche
research. Lately I've been doing a lot of it. My frustration is that I come
up with so many ideas that I don't have the time to do them.

and I feel your frustration. But more importantly, I'm here for you. Whenever you have any extra ideas that just have to be acted upon, I want you to think of stanwyck. Just send me a pm and I'll take care of 'em.

By the by, thank you for writing this. It was very helpful.

[Sylvia Meier]

Steven,
I admire your ability to hold steadfast to your schedule. And I completely agree with others that the other guy was unjust. Afterall it is your life. And you are thinking of your family. Your hard work pays off when you stop paying the mortgage, it pays off when you see yoru daughter graduate college with the money you earn and it pays off when you and your wife have the retirement others will only ever dream of. Kudos to you for all you do and I look forward to reading more of your posts, you have taught me more than you can imagine on more levels than just internet marketing and article marketing. Here's hoping your success just continues skywards.

Sylvia

[bhuff85]

I just had to step in to say that I agree with many of you out there...

Earning a living online is something I enjoy. Since I am a young guy at 23, I do have a wife and a 1 year old daughter that I dedicate a lot of my time to. I work on my business late at night, because that is when my ideas are red hot and ready to be put to work.

Obviously, everyone has different priorities. If I was nearing retirement and my daughter was fully grown and moved out of the house, I would probably have my priorities shifted from what they are now. As life goes on, you make adjustments to fit the priorities your life requires.

For now, my focus is to grow my online business so I can become more flexible and spend more time with my family.

Think about corporate big wigs. Those people are never home, and work like crazy. When you have to run your own ship, it comes with more responsibilities. It requires people who have an incredible amount of determination and patience, as well as a fair amount of strength.

The internet business world is no different than physical businesses that are out there today.

As for the people who cannot handle running their own ship, they should go work for someone else, where they can have a set schedule, but sacrifice their freedom, as well as knowing that they are working hard to make someone else rich.

And I know that not everyone can afford to quit their day jobs. I'm not saying those people are incapable of running a business at all, but what I am saying is that there is some element of sacrifice needed in order to run a successful business online (or any business at that). If you can't make those sacrifices, then you will always remain at the same level.

Just my 2 cents...

[lazavas]

Originally Posted by Diego Norte

In your country? Did you really resort to racism after I used that as an example?

I'm proud to be an Asian American. If you want to offend me, go the skinny route. I always told you that.

dear me.............dude seriously get the hell out of here

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Sylvia Rolfe

Steven,
I admire your ability to hold steadfast to your schedule. And I completely agree with others that the other guy was unjust. Afterall it is your life. And you are thinking of your family. Your hard work pays off when you stop paying the mortgage, it pays off when you see yoru daughter graduate college with the money you earn and it pays off when you and your wife have the retirement others will only ever dream of. Kudos to you for all you do and I look forward to reading more of your posts, you have taught me more than you can imagine on more levels than just internet marketing and article marketing. Here's hoping your success just continues skywards.

Sylvia

Sylvia, thank you so much for these kind words. They mean more to me
than you can imagine.

[LegitIncomes]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

He's handing them out like dime bags at the senior prom.

What a Senior Prom that must have been.

I wish I could hold the schedule you do, and congrats to you for doing so...no doubt about it.

Hey, I heard they once tried to make a Steven Wagenheim brand toilet paper, the only problem was...It wouldn't take crap from anyone.

[CanuckMike]

I have a lot of respect for you. Your work ethic is out of this world. I always find it really interesting to hear how peoples days go but yours is fascinating.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Michael Ashbourne

I have a lot of respect for you. Your work ethic is out of this world. I always find it really interesting to hear how peoples days go but yours is fascinating.

Michael, let me tell you something I rarely get...bored.

If I don't have something to do (rare) I find something to do. That's how I
keep uncovering all these non IM niches that I've been getting into this
past year. My ultimate goal is to earn so much from them alone, that I can
"retire" from the MMO niche, not that I don't enjoy it. It's just that I am
honestly running out of ideas in this niche, which is why my major release
in 2009 will probably be my last.

[Richard Tunnah]

Hey Steven,
Another top quality post.... thanks! I love your straight to the point posts.
Please don't let the odd idiot put you off posting. Jealously is a bad thing sometimes!!

Rich

[CanuckMike]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Michael, let me tell you something I rarely get...bored.

If I don't have something to do (rare) I find something to do. That's how I
keep uncovering all these non IM niches that I've been getting into this
past year. My ultimate goal is to earn so much from them alone, that I can
"retire" from the MMO niche, not that I don't enjoy it. It's just that I am
honestly running out of ideas in this niche, which is why my major release
in 2009 will probably be my last.

The final hoorawww so to speak. I can't wait.

[jan roos]

Originally Posted by youTribunedotcom

Not to get too personal, but how do you squeeze in family time?

My wife accuses me of having an affair with my girlfriend, Dell. Sometimes she catches me sleeping with her, even, so I've had to learn to spend several hours a day with her and the kids, which takes a great deal of discipline when my mind is racing with ideas...

I have exactly the same problem... lol

[trying2makealiving]

That was probably the most eye-opening, inspiring post that I have ever read (sorry for the brown-nosing Steve,but you are a legend you know). If I only had the discipline of that level, I would be making a whole lot more than the $10-20 a day that I'm making now. This is and should be an inspiration to all online marketers especially newbies (like myself). Oh by the way Steve, I just opted-in at your site. Damn I love coming to this forum I learn something new and worthwhile everyday.

[Kay King]

Ignore him, Steven - he's been here a week, knows everything and doesn't hesitate to say so.

Maybe he'll send one to the whole forum.

Or maybe the whole forum will send him ONE.

Your schedule sounds rigorous but if it suits you and your life, you've found your own personal niche. I do hope you take a bit of time for some type of exercise or for walking a few times a week - just for your health.

kay

[lazavas]

i just got an infraction as well, saying that i was being racist

let me just tell everyone in here my comment of "dude get the hell out of here" was in support of steve and nothing else, there is no way in the world that i am a racist and i want people to know that

i have actually experienced racism in my life and it is not a pleasant thing

i just want to make that clear to everybody

i felt kind of upset when i saw that, it really shook me up for a few minutes

thank u guys

[terryd]

The dudes an idiot....just leave it at that.

Steven, your a class act and a massive benefit to this forum or any forum for that matter.

If I had HALF the work ethic that you do then I'd be rolling in it!!

[DonDavis]

Is there anybody that did not see where this thread was going?

[Alan Petersen]

Originally Posted by DonDavis

Is there anybody that did not see where this thread was going?

Not as nasty and insulting as that one guy took it. Way too personal and judgmental. What does he care if Steve works 24 hours a day? Someone asked for Steve's schedule he was kind enough to offer it. People freaked out when they see how much work it can take--that you can't really make millions working an hour week online.

I put more hours now than I did in my corporate America job but the main difference is that I enjoy what I do now. Although I don't come to close to the hours Steve puts in.

Steve got to where he his now through hard work not through JV's or piggy-backing on a guru so kudos to him. It works for him and his family and that is all that matters. Even with his schedule he's been kind enough to review a couple of my ebooks which I've always appreciated. Most folks at his level wouldn't even responded to the email.

Thanks for sharing Steve!

[Neil S]

Steven,

Thanks so much for sharing this. It gives us all an idea of how hard one has to work to really be successful in this business. I have admiration for your focus. Can I ask a couple questions?

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

7 AM - 8 AM - This is where I do my promotion for the day. I have several
lead generation sites that I use to generate IM leads. I email these leads
during this time. It's all I do. It takes me about an hour. These leads
account for about $3,000 of my monthly income, so it is more than worth
my while to do this.

Can you elaborate a little about this? What kind of lead generation sites? You certainly don't have to give away any specifics if there is sensitive information. I am just curious what you mean by this.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

8:30 AM - 9:30 AM - I do all my writing for Ezine Articles. I don't worry
about getting the articles submitted a certain time. With all the articles
that I have out there, I don't have to write as much as I used to for one
thing and I don't need to worry about placement time. My articles get
enough views.

How many articles are you able to write in this span of time? I can usually turn out two at the absolute most. This includes the keywords, resource box, summary, ect. How many articles do you write a day?

[spressnell]

Wow, you really are disciplined. I need much more of that. Thanks for the tips.

Shirley

[terryd]

Yay.....I can join the club too......got my first infraction from the village idiot!!

[nathanj]

One word that describes this
post (and Steve's work ethic)

DEDICATION

A great post for those needing
to remember that success does
take hard work and determination.

Here's hoping that outsourcing
for 09 gets those ideas online
and hitting the $500+ a day mark.

[rafnie]

Steve,

Sounds like your hands are full and like having a full-time job, except your few steps away from your office. It's nice to have your daily things to do and organize your goals for the next day. I admire your daily discipline and focus. Keep up the good work.

[Martin.Avis]

The few people who have spent years bleating on about the so-called 'Internet lifestyle', where you can 'work' for five minutes a day and spend the rest of your time on the beach, have done all of us a major disservice.

They have made the concept of a work ethic anathema to many people.

There is a groundswell of opinion that if it takes work, it must be either a scam, a lie, or just a pointless replacement for a job.

The thing is that there are a lot of folks out there (and in here) who live lifestyles very much like Steven's. People who work all hours on building their business.

The thing that the critics of this supposedly workaholic state fail to understand - because they have been hynotized by the 'it won't take any work' brigade - is that those of us who do get up at 6 and 'work' through to midnight do so because to us, it isn't work at all.

I've been living a lifestyle not unlike Steven's since 2002, but I don't consider that I've done a single day's work in all that time. I spend my days doing what I love to do - and thankfully manage to make a good income as a result.

Would I change a thing? Of course not! The Internet lifestyle is not about working less, it is about loving what you do (and as a by-product, loving yourself) more.

Sounds to me as if Steven's life is just right.

Martin

[Kunle Olomofe]

This is great stuff Steve, thanks for sharing.. I don't see why anyone can't not only learn from this but also apply a lot of these tips, sure, you work like 10 men, but since you can do it, then it's possible and I encourage others to take more than a leaf from your book, I know I'll do so.. this is genuine killer advice and content beautifully explained too... no hog wash. Loving it...

Cheers!

Kunle

[SpotOn]

Great info Steven, I'll thank you for this thread!

[BJ Min]

Steven,

Thanks for this wonderful post.

Inspired by your post, I also made a daily schedule for my daily work online.

Don't let negative comments like that bother you. I shouldn't be talking because I work in a retail store too (part time) and I can lose it at times...but ALWAYS later on, I look back and regret that i lost my cool...

anyways, i enjoy your thorough posts and this was great...because i'm sure lots of IMers including myself have had some challenges trying to find a way to organize & structure our daily work...

Thanks again!

BJ

[Nick Doyle]

Very inspirational post. I have a similar routine for the day but my discipline isnt as SOLID as yours. I still get distracted a bit too much but I'll get ther eeventually. Once you work out a solid schedule for yourself, all you gotta do is stick to it. Guess thats the hard part

[mudmat]

Hi Steven,

That is a lot of work to do. But you are very systematic and organised with the schedule.

Why don't you outsourse some of the stuff?

[Allen Graves]

Looks like Mr. Infraction either removed his rude comments or someone else did!

Next step - n/a!

AL

p.s. Sorry, he just really got under my skin.

[Chris Thompson]

Steven - I've become a huge fan of yours since I joined this forum. I love your style dude. Very up front and no BS.

I read how you spend your day. I had two main thoughts. First I am happy for you because you clearly enjoy what you do and are your own boss. That is awesome and it is the goal of many on this forum. You are a model to us. My second thought was "I wonder if he would like to spend less time working". It was not a judgement, but something I wondered. Then I thought about what other people wrote including our rude friend.

Nobody has the right to judge. I think it's pretty obvious you love what you do. I love hanging out here and reading. It makes us all feel connected and a part of something important to us.

Here is the real test that I ask myself (and it is the same for everyone, I think). If you woke up tomorrow with $10 million in your bank account what would you do differently, i.e., how would you change the way you spend your day.

For me I think I would still run a business because I like to help people and I love to teach/learn. But I would outsource a lot of it and teach my outsource partners how to make more money themselves. That would give me enjoyment. Then I would spend more free time with my kids, wife, and learning new things that I want to learn. But for many others, they would not change a single thing. That would be their evidence that they are already living their dream!

But for anyone to assume that you are not happy with what you do is insane. I can see why you love it. Just look at how many people here would like to call you a friend.

Maybe that guy read "4 hour work week" and simply assumes that everyone's dreamline is to get away from their computer permanently.

[naruq]

Steven Thank you for sharing with us how you structure your day to build your Internet Marketing Business!

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Chris Thompson

Steven - I've become a huge fan of yours since I joined this forum. I love your style dude. Very up front and no BS.

I read how you spend your day. I had two main thoughts. First I am happy for you because you clearly enjoy what you do and are your own boss. That is awesome and it is the goal of many on this forum. You are a model to us. My second thought was "I wonder if he would like to spend less time working". It was not a judgement, but something I wondered. Then I thought about what other people wrote including our rude friend.

Nobody has the right to judge. I think it's pretty obvious you love what you do. I love hanging out here and reading. It makes us all feel connected and a part of something important to us.

Here is the real test that I ask myself (and it is the same for everyone, I think). If you woke up tomorrow with $10 million in your bank account what would you do differently, i.e., how would you change the way you spend your day.

For me I think I would still run a business because I like to help people and I love to teach/learn. But I would outsource a lot of it and teach my outsource partners how to make more money themselves. That would give me enjoyment. Then I would spend more free time with my kids, wife, and learning new things that I want to learn. But for many others, they would not change a single thing. That would be their evidence that they are already living their dream!

But for anyone to assume that you are not happy with what you do is insane. I can see why you love it. Just look at how many people here would like to call you a friend.

Maybe that guy read "4 hour work week" and simply assumes that everyone's dreamline is to get away from their computer permanently.

I'm going to answer your question. If I woke up tomorrow with 10 mil, I'd
spend most of my time on my business hands on helping people because
I'd have the money to outsource all the mechanical stuff. This way I could
open up a forum, and answer all the posts myself in regard to how to do
this or that or whatever. It would be a free forum much like this one. I'd
probably also offer the opportunity to post special offers but I would do it
for free. The catch? I have to approve the offers and I'm very picky. In
a sense, I'd be endorsing the product. I would do all this for no profit.

Unfortunately, I am not yet at that place where I can basically do charity
work for IMers. That is what I am working towards because I believe that
everybody should have a fair chance at being successful with their
business and to that end, I would do whatever I could to help them.

That is my ultimate goal and I hope someday to get there.

Point is, as you can see, I'd still be working just as hard if not harder, only
at different things because they would make more of a difference in
people's lives. For now, I still have to pay bills, so I can't be so altruistic.

That day will come.

[Paul Hartunian]

Hi Steven,

Do you have a product that goes into depth about your business operation? Such as where you distribute your articles, whether you distribute them manually or by using a distribution service, some of the tools you use, how you generate leads, etc.

If so, give me the link. If not, put me first in line for it when you develop it.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Paul Hartunian

Hi Steven,

Do you have a product that goes into depth about your business operation? Such as where you distribute your articles, whether you distribute them manually or by using a distribution service, some of the tools you use, how you generate leads, etc.

If so, give me the link. If not, put me first in line for it when you develop it.

Paul, in March of 2009, I'm going to be releasing the product I've always
wanted to make. It is going to leave no stone unturned. It will contain
a workbook, videos, DVDs, the whole 9 yards covering just about everything
you could possibly want to know. I figure it's going to take me about 5 to 6
months to develop it.

It's going to be a limited release though. Since it will be a physical product,
there are only so many I'm going to make. And no, it won't be cheap. It's
going to be ONLY for very serious people and I do mean ONLY.

I get too many folks right now who buy my products and quite honestly,
do nothing with them, which is why the PM I got earlier from somebody
here was so refreshing. I don't know what product it was (he hasn't gotten
back to me yet) but he said he made over $1,000 already because of it.

It's stuff like that, that makes me realize that I'm not wasting my time
trying to help others because sometimes I feel like I am, especially when I
get emails like "I've been doing this for 3 days and haven't made any money yet.
Can I have a refund." Makes me wonder if I'm just beating my head against
a stone wall.

But then folks here tell me I've helped and it gives me the strength to keep
going. Yes, believe it or not, if I knew for a fact that none of my products
were really helping anyone, I'd get out of the business TODAY. I can't
sell stuff just for the sake of selling it. I can make just as nice a living
outside of the MMO niche (which I've already started) and don't need to
be frustrated because I'm not helping anyone earn an income online, if
indeed that is the case. So far, at least from a few folks, it appears that
I am doing some good. So I'll keep at.

But the day is coming when the MMO niche is going to be history for me.

There are many reasons I feel that way, but I won't get into them here.

[Steven Wagenheim]

Neil, sorry it took so long to get back to you on this. I've been pretty
busy today.

Can you elaborate a little about this? What kind of lead generation sites? You certainly don't have to give away any specifics if there is sensitive information. I am just curious what you mean by this.

This has actually been discussed here before but for some reason, the
threads keep getting deleted, so I'd rather not get into it in public. There
is nothing illegal or even unethical in what I use. It's just a lot of
marketers look down on them because they don't understand them. I'm
talking about things like Traffic Exchanges, Safelists and stuff like that.
I learned how to make efficient use of them so to me, they're not
worthless. But most marketers don't know how because they take a
different kind of mindset. It's all about understanding your target market
and how they work within the system. I'd love to sit down and have a
2 hour conversation about what I mean, but sadly, I don't have that kind
of time. Trust me though, if you take the time to understand the mindset
of marketers who use free advertising methods that you and I wouldn't
be caught dead using because they don't work, you'd understand how to
reach these people. Ask Jon Olson, a member here. Or ask Brian Rooney,
another member here. They'll tell you the same thing. Jon makes his
living off of TEs. He's a master at them.

How many articles are you able to write in this span of time? I can usually turn out two at the absolute most. This includes the keywords, resource box, summary, ect. How many articles do you write a day?

It depends. If I get off my lazy arse and crank out my DNS9, I can
write an article in about 7 minutes. Even typing it out I can crank one
out in 10 minutes. I've been writing for over 30 years so that's why it's so
easy for me. Words just pour out of my head.

Hope this helps.

[stacyfox]

Great post! I think this is the answer to anyone who says they can make money with no work on the internet. It IS work! But it's also a lot of fun for anyone who really enjoys the work. IM can give one a quality of life, but it's not *easy* or *quick*.

I'd like to see other successful marketers describe their days. It would give us all a point of reference that would be very useful.

Stacy