Zynga Farmville Clickbank vendors lawsuit

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All the Farmville, Mafia Wars, Etc. Clickbank vendors being sued.

Does anyone know the scoop on this?

Lawsuit Summary - Zynga Game Network, Inc. v. Tony Sanders dba Mafiawarsblueprint.com dba Farmvillesecrets.com dba Rollercoasterkingdomsecrets.com dba Cafeworlddomination.com dba Fishvillesecret.com dba Fvsecrets.com et al - RFCExpress
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  • Profile picture of the author imfornow
    I just followed your link, this is taking down some pretty popular sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nate Simms
    That is pretty crazy.

    ...those vendors had TONS of affiliates, too. I'm sure there are people who promoted them that are going to be plenty upset -- a lot of their income is going to stop with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    Honestly, I've been wondering when they would be doing this. It was pretty obvious from the start that these guides are a case of copyright infringement. I had been thinking about promoting them myself, but that was the reason that stopped me: not knowing if it would last.

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    • Profile picture of the author brendan301
      how are these game guides infringing on the owner's copyright?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    The name for starters. The name is trademarked
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by Leslie B View Post

      The name for starters. The name is trademarked
      You are not infringing on a trademark by offering a how to guide. If that were the case, then there would be no books on how to sell on eBay and the like.

      I predict that this case goes nowhere.
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      • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        You are not infringing on a trademark by offering a how to guide. If that were the case, then there would be no books on how to sell on eBay and the like.

        I predict that this case goes nowhere.

        I disagree. You cannot use a companies domain name in "part" or whole for selling your own product.

        To be even more technical, you really shouldn't even use the "THOUGHT" or "IDEA" of another companies brand for selling your own product without permission from that company. This goes along the lines of Intellectual Property Rights & Virtual Assets classification.

        This is why you don't see people adding the word; GOOGLEMYNewproduct.com anymore. You only see things like: GHeadshot (ie: Google headshot), GThis & Gthat. And you know why? Because there is already established precedent for it --guess who won?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    No, but I wonder that having the name of the game in the urls and in the title would be what they are betting on.

    Then again, I'm no lawyer and never studied anything related to law so I have no clue of the correct terms for everything
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    Yeah, the copyright name infringement in the URL is what's going to be the sticking ground imo.
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    • Profile picture of the author tuanng
      Originally Posted by Sleaklight View Post

      Yeah, the copyright name infringement in the URL is what's going to be the sticking ground imo.
      Farm-Expert.com FVsercrets.com ... does apply here yet still being sued...
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      • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
        Originally Posted by tuanng View Post

        Farm-Expert.com FVsercrets.com ... does apply here yet still being sued...
        Nope, those are safe.
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        • Profile picture of the author tuanng
          Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

          Nope, those are safe.
          not according to the case file in the OP's link
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          • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
            Originally Posted by tuanng View Post

            not according to the case file in the OP's link
            Well, those domains are not trademarked. They might be suing for the content, but the domains themselves are ok as long as they don't have "farmville" in them.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarafina
    It's trademark infringement not copyright infringement. There is a difference.

    You can't just use somebody else's name to profit and expect nothing to happen. I suspect Zynga will win default judgements against those who do nothing and settle with those who speak up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leslie B
    Thank you Sarafine, that was the term that I meant, trademark infringement.

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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Trademark law is quite tricky. Burger King often uses the trademark of McDonalds in their advertising, Wendy's did it too for a long time (i.e. where's the beef).

    Courts have often wavered from any set precedents on these matters, making the outcome of any trademark case very unpredictable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nate Simms
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Trademark law is quite tricky. Burger King often uses the trademark of McDonalds in their advertising, Wendy's did it too for a long time (i.e. where's the beef).

      Courts have often wavered from any set precedents on these matters, making the outcome of any trademark case very unpredictable.
      ...so it is doubtful that the courts will set the precedent by making an example of Facebook games and Internet marketing. LOL.
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        I was wondering about this soon to be released book. I wonder if the authors have Zynga's permission.



        The title is kind of redundant.
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        • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post


          The title is kind of redundant.
          Now that's funny stuff! ...and true!
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  • Profile picture of the author tonydbaker
    There are tons of examples of using other people's trademarks with educational and advertising materials.

    In many cases, companies like these just sue to get their way. They know that the average person can't stand up to well-paid corporate lawyers in court.
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    • Profile picture of the author tuanng
      They are hiring these lawyers fulltime, so they have to keep them busy one way or another
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I was selling a Farmville guide for a while, when the numbers were still climbing. The numbers were just too large to ignore the easy money. However, the first site I put up got immediate attention from Zynga's attorneys. They beat around the bush when it came to nailing down an exact reason. Eventually though I figured out that it was the name in the URL that they are going after. So I just bought a domain without the Farmville name in it, and then they never bothered me again.

    Zynga themselves are known for running their business in a highly unethical manner anyway. I wouldn't doubt if they are just trying to strong arm these people out of business.

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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    I have not read the lawsuit, but it is filed in the federal court as a copyright case. That means the issue is the product(s) they are selling, not the domain names.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Funny ... Zynga is being sued also. Seems they are being accused of violating federal law.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Facebook-Leak
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      This lawsuit is probably what prompted them to go after anyone they can to raise some money. If they can win their cases against others on copyright violations then it won't hurt their pocketbook as much when they lose the more serious lawsuits where they don't have a leg to stand on.

      On the copyright violation cases, they actually have more standing than most people are realizing. Most of those guides use screenshots of Zynga owned property. Without prior consent to use those screenshots then including them in the guides does violate their copyright.

      From Zynga's TOS:
      1) Access to Zynga Service
      a) Subject to your acceptance of these Terms, Zynga grants to you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable limited license to use and display the Service and related software (excluding source and object code) for your personal (or household) non-commercial use by any machine(s) of which you are the primary user. You agree not to use the Service for any other purpose, or to copy or distribute the content of the Service except as specifically allowed in this agreement.
      2) Ownership of Intellectual Property
      a) Unless otherwise specified in writing, all materials that are part of the Service are owned, controlled, or licensed by Zynga and are protected by law from unauthorized use. The entire contents of the Service are copyrighted under the United States copyright laws and/or similar laws of other jurisdictions. Zynga, the Zynga logos, and all game names are trademarks of Zynga and may not be used without the express written permission of Zynga.

      b) You do not acquire any ownership rights by using the Service, downloading material from or uploading material to the Service, or by purchasing any virtual goods.

      c) You agree not to copy, redistribute, publish or otherwise exploit material from the Service, except as expressly permitted herein, without the express prior written permission of Zynga.

      The highlighted sentences says you can not use the Zynga's content, and a screenshot of the game is still considered their content, for any reason other than the reasons specifically stated in the TOS.




      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Funny ... Zynga is being sued also. Seems they are being accused of violating federal law.

      The Escapist : News : Zynga Sued Over Facebook Leak
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Hmm, it seems to me all these game guides just help fuel people to actually play the game more which in turn benefits that game owners.

    Whats the adage?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sardent
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post


      Whats the adage?
      Biting the hand that feeds you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Hmm, it seems to me all these game guides just help fuel people to actually play the game more which in turn benefits that game owners.

      Whats the adage?
      Zynga is kinda funny about things. They will have things like new and upcoming releases - but sometimes you are not allowed to talk about these things on their own forum.

      They had a major hacking this past year - where with a touch of code you could claim items that were no longer available and without paying for them. Yes, these were items that cost "farm cash" - which the game gives you some ways to make but the really "cool" stuff costs more than you will make just playing the game - so you put out real cash to get these things.

      Players are allowed to take screenshots - but these are used to show off farms in the forums for example in order to win contests or if you are just showing something off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sardent
    The main problems are:
    1) trademark infringement in domain names
    2) trademark infringement in use of logo and name on websites
    3) trademark infringement in use of logo and screenshots in products.

    Just writing a guide and using the name in the title is what is called Nominative Use.

    The nominative use test essentially states that one party may use or refer to the trademark of another if:
    1. The product or service cannot be readily identified without using the trademark (e.g. trademark is descriptive of a person, place, or product attribute)
    2. The user only uses so much of the mark as is necessary for the identification (e.g. the words but not the font or symbol)
    3. The user does nothing to suggest sponsorship or endorsement by the trademark holder. This applies even if the nominative use is commercial, and the same test applies for metatags.
    Furthermore, if a use is found to be nominative, then by the definition of non-trademark uses, it can not dilute the trademark.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      Screenshots are covered under copyright, not trademark. The images used in the games can not be trademarked, they can only be copyrighted.


      Originally Posted by Sardent View Post

      The main problems are:
      1) trademark infringement in domain names
      2) trademark infringement in use of logo and name on websites
      3) trademark infringement in use of logo and screenshots in products.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sardent
        First, unless you are cropping extensively it is next to impossible to get a screenshot of one of these games that does not contain trademarked material.

        Second, when it comes to screen shots, screen shots can infringe trademark -
        Screen Shot Liability of Authors

        Originally Posted by Johnny Slater View Post

        Screenshots are covered under copyright, not trademark. The images used in the games can not be trademarked, they can only be copyrighted.
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  • Profile picture of the author 60MinuteAffiliate
    not only that they may have seen the money these vendors are making and are wanting take over their products, affiliates, domains etc.

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    • Profile picture of the author Sardent
      If I remember correctly Zynga's VP was a lawyer.

      Originally Posted by 60MinuteAffiliate View Post

      not only that they may have seen the money these vendors are making and are wanting take over their products, affiliates, domains etc.

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  • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
    Ya know what's funny...regardless of the lawsuit,
    my biggest question is,

    ARE THOSE TESTIMONIALS FROM THOSE SITES REAL??
    LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Sachine
      Is this lawsuit goes through then it will pretty much open pandora's box with many lawsuits on ebooks or books..
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      • Profile picture of the author ckerne054
        Originally Posted by tuanng View Post

        Farm-Expert.com FVsercrets.com ... does apply here yet still being sued...
        Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

        Nope, those are safe.
        Originally Posted by tuanng View Post

        not according to the case file in the OP's link
        Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

        Well, those domains are not trademarked. They might be suing for the content, but the domains themselves are ok as long as they don't have "farmville" in them.
        Just did a trademark search for "FV". Its a trademark of Zynga. FVsecrets is not safe.

        http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...002:fvvr74.2.3
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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    I just got contacted tonight by Zynga because I recently registered a domain with the word farmville in it and I haven't even used it yet and they are asking me to assure them I won't.

    I am not an attorney and part of it I get but the other part I don't get is I am selling a product that is related to farmville and if I can't use the name to describe the product I don't know how people will know what it is. I'm not using their logos and I have in the terms of service of my site I am not affiliated with them nor do they sponsor anything on my site. I kinda don't get how they might be able to sue me if I need to use the name of farmville to describe my product but again I am not an attorney. I did just send them an email back asking them a few questions and seeing if they would like to work out an amicable agreement.

    I'm startled because again I have not really used the domain yet so now I'm wondering if they just have people doing searches all day long-lol. Plus this is no excuse but I did look on google and when you type in the word farmville there are over 29 million matches and not all of them are Zynga sites. Are they just going to try to sue everyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Kella Bella View Post

      I just got contacted tonight by Zynga because I recently registered a domain with the word farmville in it and I haven't even used it yet and they are asking me to assure them I won't.

      I am not an attorney and part of it I get but the other part I don't get is I am selling a product that is related to farmville and if I can't use the name to describe the product I don't know how people will know what it is. I'm not using their logos and I have in the terms of service of my site I am not affiliated with them nor do they sponsor anything on my site. I kinda don't get how they might be able to sue me if I need to use the name of farmville to describe my product but again I am not an attorney. I did just send them an email back asking them a few questions and seeing if they would like to work out an amicable agreement.

      I'm startled because again I have not really used the domain yet so now I'm wondering if they just have people doing searches all day long-lol. Plus this is no excuse but I did look on google and when you type in the word farmville there are over 29 million matches and not all of them are Zynga sites. Are they just going to try to sue everyone?

      The thing you don't understand is that they own that name. It is theirs. In order to keep a trademark, the trademark holder must actively protect that trademark and that is what they are doing. As for your Google search, I'll bet those thousands of results mostly do not have farmville in the domain name. If they do, their days are numbered. You should just delete the name from your registry if the registry has that function and move on. The name is theirs.
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      • Profile picture of the author James Blair
        This sucks. I actually have a domain with the farmville name in it.. It's a squeeze page sales funnel in which I promote products as an affiliate so I don't actually have a product of my own.

        Although I haven't been contacted by them, that I know of, I'm wondering if this is nothing or if I should just close this business down before I get in hot water over something stupid.

        What do you guys think?? I guess my sense tells me that it would be smart to just roll it up and move on, but this means me closing down an income stream as well and I'm also wondering what are my options as far as hanging on to it?

        Actually.. I think I just answered myself..



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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    From what I've read regarding Zynga and its CEO, they seem to be somewhat unethical in their business dealings and have made millions apparently employing some pretty deceptive practices in parting game players from their cash. They also seem to be pretty sue-happy when it comes to protecting their name and game trademarks, and I would not be surprised at all if they have an army of reputation management professionals scouring the internet for others using any of their trademarked names.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    I'm curious to see what they say in response to my email I still really don't know what to think about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author skibbz
      I know fvsecrets and thought it was a pretty good idea,I guess zynga saw the income potential without them benefiting directly, then decided to sue.

      maybe zynga should start their own affiliate program, we would make tonnes of cash on facebook
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      • Profile picture of the author ArticleGrinder
        If this is so, wouldn't other game guides be on infringement as well? Like world of warcraft, or even nintendo console fix just for using the name?
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