Best way to Spend $300 for instant targeted traffic?

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Hello everyone. I'd like to know you guys suggestions on the best way to spend $300 to get some instant, targeted traffic.. If It helps at all It'd be in the weight loss niche.

I do not want to use PPC, as it's really not profitable for my situation. I need something where I can spend $300 and get a load of traffic (if possible?) Any suggestions are welcome.. Even using a bot if that's what you suggest (I understand a bot would not be as instant as say, just paying for a banner, but thats ok)..

Other things that crossed my mind were getting a paid banner for a certain amount of time on a forum, using a big ad network for displaying my banner on sites, a joint venture email blast(s) etc

And with your suggestion, how many visitors do you think I could get with the $300 ( a ROUGH estimate of course...)


Thanks in advance for your help
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Banner ad placements on targeted sites could be good. Search your top keyword phrases in Google and look at all the top sites that are getting the most traffic. If they have banner ads, try and find out which ad network they are using and hit 'em up.

    The weight loss 'niche' is ultra-competitive though so make take some out of the box thinking. In fact I don't even think I would call weight loss a niche - it's a market.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bane
    Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

    Hello everyone. I'd like to know you guys suggestions on the best way to spend $300 to get some instant, targeted traffic.. If It helps at all It'd be in the weight loss niche.

    I do not want to use PPC, as it's really not profitable for my situation. I need something where I can spend $300 and get a load of traffic (if possible?) Any suggestions are welcome.. Even using a bot if that's what you suggest (I understand a bot would not be as instant as say, just paying for a banner, but thats ok)..

    Other things that crossed my mind were getting a paid banner for a certain amount of time on a forum, using a big ad network for displaying my banner on sites, a joint venture email blast(s) etc

    And with your suggestion, how many visitors do you think I could get with the $300 ( a ROUGH estimate of course...)


    Thanks in advance for your help
    Targetted is a little difficult - I do know that there was software (whose name escapes me now) where you could purchase ads that you could target down to specific url's. Many people had this software installed, and had accepted that they would be getting served ads during their browsing experience (in return for free games, software, etc).

    There were many many cool ways you could use that software, such as targetting competitors urls, so that way when someone typed in that site, or even went there via google, your ads were displayed first.

    Many of my colleagues have had great success with this method, though it being 1:30am here my brain is a little frazzled...perhaps someone else will recall the specific advertising method I am referring to.

    But it basically suits all your needs
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by Bane View Post

      Targetted is a little difficult - I do know that there was software (whose name escapes me now) where you could purchase ads that you could target down to specific url's. Many people had this software installed, and had accepted that they would be getting served ads during their browsing experience (in return for free games, software, etc).

      There were many many cool ways you could use that software, such as targetting competitors urls, so that way when someone typed in that site, or even went there via google, your ads were displayed first.

      Many of my colleagues have had great success with this method, though it being 1:30am here my brain is a little frazzled...perhaps someone else will recall the specific advertising method I am referring to.

      But it basically suits all your needs
      Hi bane, suggest your untargeted methods if you can... As long as it's a ton of visitors for a reasonable price. Let me know your suggestions. I'm interesting in exploring all options.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bane
        Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

        Hi bane, suggest your untargeted methods if you can... As long as it's a ton of visitors for a reasonable price. Let me know your suggestions. I'm interesting in exploring all options.
        Hey there Woah, glad I could help.

        Untargetted I'd go for an email list jv/swap/blast - just make sure they aren't people who promote something in every damn email, as to most people their emails are simply white noise. (technically note 'un' targetted, but certainly less targetted).

        Alternatively, although I am trying to keep my nose clean these days, twitter bots (Not the ones that rely on followers or @messages ~ pm me if you need help here) are REALLY good at getting traffic - I mean STUPIDLY good. If you can make sure that the traffic matches what you are trying to promote it is practically a way of printing money.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    It's generally known as CPV (Cost per view) or PPV (Pay per view). There are a lot of networks that offer this type of advertising.

    Some of the better known networks are:

    TrafficVance
    Direct CPV
    LeadImpact
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    1. Go to youtube.com
    2. Type in your main keyword.
    3. Sort videos by view count
    4. Find the top videos by view count and offer each member $100 to put your link in their video.
    5. Almost gauranteed traffic.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      1. Go to youtube.com
      2. Type in your main keyword.
      3. Sort videos by view count
      4. Find the top videos by view count and offer each member $100 to put your link in their video.
      5. Almost gauranteed traffic.

      Good luck
      It sounds great on paper but it's not as easy as that in practice. I tried that method a long time ago and gave up pretty quickly - not worth the hassle.
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      • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
        Hey, I know I said targeted earlier, but what about those things that say like "10k visitors for $10" and stuff like that? Do those visitors actually SEE your website, or is that just something to help inflate your stats?

        and can anyone recommend one of those services?
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        • Profile picture of the author zomex
          i certainly agree with banner placements/links on relevant websites/blogs/forums. That's probably the best way to go specifically CPM or a fee/month rather than PPC.

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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

          Hey, I know I said targeted earlier, but what about those things that say like "10k visitors for $10" and stuff like that? Do those visitors actually SEE your website, or is that just something to help inflate your stats?
          You will quickly learn with traffic that anything that sounds too good to be true, almost always is - otherwise everyone else would be using those methods.

          Never go for one of those services. They may send you 10,000 visitors but they will probably never actually see your website or they will be highly untargeted or from non-english speaking countries.

          Go for the tried and true methods. Banner ad placement is definitely a good start.
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          • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            You will quickly learn with traffic that anything that sounds too good to be true, almost always is - otherwise everyone else would be using those methods.

            Never go for one of those services. They may send you 10,000 visitors but they will probably never actually see your website or they will be highly untargeted or from non-english speaking countries.

            Go for the tried and true methods. Banner ad placement is definitely a good start.
            ok, thanks for your help
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          • Profile picture of the author Darla
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            You will quickly learn with traffic that anything that sounds too good to be true, almost always is - otherwise everyone else would be using those methods.

            Never go for one of those services. They may send you 10,000 visitors but they will probably never actually see your website or they will be highly untargeted or from non-english speaking countries.

            Go for the tried and true methods. Banner ad placement is definitely a good start.
            This is definitely good advice. If its sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Stick with the tried and tested methods like banner ads. Another method I plan to try this month is Solo Ads. Finding someone with a responsive list in your niche and then sending a solo ad mailing to that list seems to also be an effective way to generate traffic and sales quickly.
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            • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
              Originally Posted by Darla View Post

              This is definitely good advice. If its sounds to good to be true, it usually is. Stick with the tried and tested methods like banner ads. Another method I plan to try this month is Solo Ads. Finding someone with a responsive list in your niche and then sending a solo ad mailing to that list seems to also be an effective way to generate traffic and sales quickly. I
              hi, can I ask you, what ad networks would you suggest I sign up with?

              I know one method is to contact an individual forum that hosts their own ad system, and pay them directly...

              But what if I wanted my ad on a variety of sites and I guess pay per 1,000 impressions or something else?
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              • Profile picture of the author zomex
                Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

                hi, can I ask you, what ad networks would you suggest I sign up with?

                I know one method is to contact an individual forum that hosts their own ad system, and pay them directly...

                But what if I wanted my ad on a variety of sites and I guess pay per 1,000 impressions or something else?
                Personally I wouldn't recommend any. If you have some time it's always better to research and contact owners directly. If it doesn't look like they offer advertising spots there's a good chance that you can get a fantastic deal.

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                • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
                  Originally Posted by zomex View Post

                  Personally I wouldn't recommend any. If you have some time it's always better to research and contact owners directly. If it doesn't look like they offer advertising spots there's a good chance that you can get a fantastic deal.

                  Jack
                  So you're saying, if they dont normally sell advertising spots, they will jump at my offer and give me a good deal so they can make quick money? Just trying to make sure I interpreted that right.

                  thanks
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                  • Profile picture of the author zomex
                    Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

                    So you're saying, if they dont normally sell advertising spots, they will jump at my offer and give me a good deal so they can make quick money? Just trying to make sure I interpreted that right.

                    thanks
                    That's not what I said at all. What I'm trying to say is don't rule out a website if it there isn't any signs of advertising as that's the type of situation that's going to get you the best deal for your money providing your research is accurate.
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        • Profile picture of the author rusty1027
          Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

          Hey, I know I said targeted earlier, but what about those things that say like "10k visitors for $10" and stuff like that? Do those visitors actually SEE your website, or is that just something to help inflate your stats?
          These type of services are usually sending garbage traffic such as exit traffic - which is the most useless traffic on the planet. I got roped into one of these services once and they sent me over 20,000 visits in one day. Number of conversions = 0.
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          • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
            Originally Posted by rusty1027 View Post

            These type of services are usually sending garbage traffic such as exit traffic - which is the most useless traffic on the planet. I got roped into one of these services once and they sent me over 20,000 visits in one day. Number of conversions = 0.
            lol, wow. Point taken.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        It sounds great on paper but it's not as easy as that in practice. I tried that method a long time ago and gave up pretty quickly - not worth the hassle.
        I did it last night without any hassles
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    • Profile picture of the author DavidTT
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      1. Go to youtube.com
      2. Type in your main keyword.
      3. Sort videos by view count
      4. Find the top videos by view count and offer each member $100 to put your link in their video.
      5. Almost gauranteed traffic.

      Good luck
      hmm did you already try that? sounds like a good idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author KatyaSenina
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      1. Go to youtube.com
      2. Type in your main keyword.
      3. Sort videos by view count
      4. Find the top videos by view count and offer each member $100 to put your link in their video.
      5. Almost gauranteed traffic.

      Good luck
      Usually those top videos are promotional videos, so it's only the question whether the video owner is willing to replace his own link with yours for $100.

      Also, I strongly doubt the traffic is very targeted and willing to pull out their credit card. I don't speak from experience, but it just doesn't click with me. Especially not if someone puts his links on funny and entertainment videos.

      But I'm sure it works wonders for CPA offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bane
    I'm sorry, I know there are two camps about this but I seriously can't resist.

    Stick with tried and true methods
    Seriously?

    If you want to make the huge bucks in this business, being a sheep is not the way to make it. Innovate, create, and constantly be pushing the envelope 24/7.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by Bane View Post

      I'm sorry, I know there are two camps about this but I seriously can't resist.



      Seriously?

      If you want to make the huge bucks in this business, being a sheep is not the way to make it. Innovate, create, and constantly be pushing the envelope 24/7.
      Bane, do you know any outside the box methods? I mean I could easily say "put a banner on a weightloss forum", but im trying to think of ways to get the biggest bang for my buck as possible..

      Honestly haven't seen any suggestions that I didn't already know myself, unless it really just makes THAT much sense to just place a banner ad and shut up (lol). maybe it's a little slow on saturday morning..
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      • Profile picture of the author Bane
        Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

        Bane, do you know any outside the box methods? I mean I could easily say "put a banner on a weightloss forum", but im trying to think of ways to get the biggest bang for my buck as possible..

        Honestly haven't seen any suggestions that I didn't already know myself, unless it really just makes THAT much sense to just place a banner ad and shut up (lol). maybe it's a little slow on saturday morning..
        My entire business is making out of the box methods. I try to make sure that 100% of the time anything that I personally come up with has either never been tried before or has never been tried successfully before.

        I used to do all that SEO crap where I'd build up the websites, seo, backlink, article create - and sure, there is profit to be had there. It is a GREAT starting step to make you realise 'oh snap, I can actually make money online' But generally speaking you have to juggle so many hats that only the seriously good or the team oriented people have a hope in hell of making anything great.

        PM me with this thread url and I will sleep on it - I'm sure I'll bring you something very original in little/no time.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Bane View Post

      I'm sorry, I know there are two camps about this but I seriously can't resist.

      Seriously?

      If you want to make the huge bucks in this business, being a sheep is not the way to make it. Innovate, create, and constantly be pushing the envelope 24/7.
      There is so much traffic available right now as we speak (if you know the right places to look) that you don't need to innovate or be a pioneer. I would much rather get on with selling and creating more products than trying to look for cracks in the system - especially as there is no need.

      As for making huge bucks in this business not being possible for sheep, I ask you this. Why are the most successful marketers online all using the same tried and true methods that have been working for years and years now?

      Product launches and email marketing.

      That's all they use to create their millions and that's all anyone needs to create their millions. Go and over-think this if you like but you won't make it to the millions as quickly as the sheep who just follow what the gurus are doing and replicate their success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bane
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        There is so much traffic available right now as we speak (if you know the right places to look) that you don't need to innovate or be a pioneer. I would much rather get on with selling and creating more products than trying to look for cracks in the system - especially as there is no need.

        As for making huge bucks in this business not being possible for sheep, I ask you this. Why are the most overtly successful marketers online all using the same tried and true methods that have been working for years and years now?

        Product launches and email marketing.

        That's all they use to create their millions and that's all anyone needs to create their millions. Go and over-think this if you like but you won't make it to the millions as quickly as the sheep who just follow what the gurus are doing and replicate their success.
        Fixed your post there, Sir.
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    You may hire a high professional from freelancing site for several weeks and he will drive quality and targeted traffic for you.That is I think the best way to go if you don't want to use ppc.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by shuvo View Post

      You may hire a high professional from freelancing site for several weeks and he will drive quality and targeted traffic for you.That is I think the best way to go if you don't want to use ppc.
      Thanks but.. I dont know if this is too much to ask but, how would he be driving traffic?? (confused)... I've heard of SEO optimization, but not paying someone to drive instant traffic to a site..
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    Mediabuying is a good option for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by blog8491 View Post

      Mediabuying is a good option for you.
      Hello. Excuse my ignorance, but which form and what route would you suggest (if you can?). I believe media buying is another way of saying tv / radio / online / print ads? please correct me if I'm wrong
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  • Originally Posted by woah316 View Post

    [SNIP]I'd like to know you guys suggestions on the best way to spend $300 to get some instant, targeted traffic.. If It helps at all It'd be in the weight loss niche. I do not want to use PPC, as it's really not profitable for my situation. I need something where I can spend $300 and get a load of traffic (if possible?) Any suggestions are welcome.. Even using a bot if that's what you suggest (I understand a bot would not be as instant as say, just paying for a banner, but thats ok).. Other things that crossed my mind were getting a paid banner for a certain amount of time on a forum, using a big ad network for displaying my banner on sites, a joint venture email blast(s) etc And with your suggestion, how many visitors do you think I could get with the $300 ( a ROUGH estimate of course...) Thanks in advance for your help[/SNIP]
    I for one will do this if I were in such a situation you described above:
    1. Go to Google and search my target keywords.
    2. Identify the top 20 or so pages which are the most relevant to my target keywords, have the highest daily targeted traffic, have large mailing list subscriber bases, have the highest domain authority and credibility in topics covered by my target keywords, and allow people to contribute relevant, timely, popular and useful content on those pages and on their other ppages.
    3. Identify ebook ideas which would be useful for their daily visitors in providing unique benefits for their needs and problems relevant to your target keywords. Identify mini software application ideas which would also provide their visitors with unique benefits. By "unique", your ebook and software applications should provide their visitors with benefits that are not provided by their websites and pages. Example Ebook Idea: An ebook written by a person with proven expertise in weight loss topics. Ebook should offer a 20-day natural weight loss program via a set of exercise and daily diet systems that allow people to easily and quickly follow the exercise and daily diet systems while still enjoying themselves, their time and what they eat regularly. Perhaps a good natural way to lose weight that can also improve their overall health as well as prevent diseases and fatigue are daily diet systems with balanced alkaline-forming (70%) and acid-forming (30%) food that would still be enjoyable for everyone to eat regularly as well as easy daily exercise systems they can do with their friends, family, pets and colleagues. Example Mini Software Idea: A body mass-weight-height, body acidity and body alkalinity ratio calculator offering precalibrated recommendations from studies of people with expertise in the weight loss niche and in other relevant medical areas for each result they get. Of course, home remedies to get acidity and alkalinity should be provided so as for their visitors to know how to accurately get their body acidity and body alkalinity values without buying equipment or gadgets and without going to clinics for such checks (though recommend this to be the best way to get accurate body acidity and body alkalinity values). Of course, those instructions should be from people with expertise in the weight loss niche and other relevant medical areas.
    4. Use $50 to develop the ebook with useful and timely content including graphics/images. I'll consult medical professionals, friends and referrals included, with expertise in relevant medical areas, and also ask their permission to have their names included in the ebook I'll be developing. I'll research about relevant and updated information necessary for the development of the ebook. I'll write down relevant things I learn from consulting such medical professionals and extensively researching about relevant topics for the ebook. I will send this to someone with a proven expertise of writing softsell content marketing materials which establish the reputation of the author as a friendly expert source of relevant, timely, popular and useful content/info/advice. Include necessary links pointing to content pages of my site offering unique supplementary info/advice/benefits relevant to my target keywords and audience.
    5. Use $50 to develop the software, branded for my business.
    6. Offer the ebook as a freely downloadable product upon signup to my mailing list. Offer the software on my website with an easy "publish on your website" function, of course with my links.
    7. Contact the webmasters of the sites I identified in number 2 above and exchange the ebook and software with banner ad-anchored links placed on their sites and mailing list letters.
    8. Pay someone $200 to regularly contribute relevant, timely, popular and useful content on the relevant forums you found in number 2 above, without placing links when it is not necessary to do so, in 2 weeks. This person should have expertise in relevant medical areas. The signature box content with keyword-anchored backlinks of those forum accounts should be written effectively. I'll also ask this person to write relevant softsell articles offering timely, popular and useful information/advice/benefits for my target audience, for submissions to the top 5 or 10 or so article directories, especially with high ranking high domain authority high Google PR high traffic article directories focusing on relevant categories and topics (in this case, health & fitness),with the resource box links pointing to my content pages, squeeze page (if allowed by article directory since my squeeze page will be written in a way which will provide supplementary info/advice with unique benefits not found in my articles) and software (if allowed by article directories since my software will have written content offering supplementary info/advice with unique benefits not found on my articles).

    Traffic Projections

    Prereq 1: Target keywords with a collective global monthly search volume of 10000 searches, a collective competitor domain strength of Google PR 3 and a collective competing page strength of Google PR 2 (top 20 search results for each of the target keywords).
    Prereq 2: 10 out of the top 20 page results are sites allowing content contributions with links and business name from content contributor. The collective traffic volume is projected to be 1000 unique visitors per month.
    Prereq 3: 10 out of the top 10 page results are sites which do not allow content contributions from users. All 10 agreed to publish my ebook and software on those pages along with my business info, contact details and links pointing to my content pages offering supplementary info/advice/benefits not found on their pages nor on my contributed content. They also agreed to place my banner ad-anchored links and business info as well as contact details on their mailing list letters. They have a projected collective traffic volume of 1000 visitors per month and a collective mailing list subscriber base of 2000 people.
    Prereq 4: 10 of the sites allowing content contributions from users agreed to place my banner ad-anchored links, business name and contact details on their mailing list letters. They have a collective mailing list base of 2000 people.
    Prereq 5: 10 relevant forums where person I hired contributes relevant, timely, popular, useful and unique info/advice/content/benefits have a collective membership volume of 10000 people.
    Prereq 5: After a month, my articles published on article directories have a collective search result placement (for my target keywords) in page 1, position 3, and get 1000 views.

    Conservative Projected Collective Traffic After a Month: 4000 Views
    Conservative Projected Conversions (dependent on sales page content, squeeze page content, products and services relevant to the needs and problems of target audience, in this case, let's say website visual impact, website navigability, website accessibility, content richness standards, placement of CPC and CPA ads/offers, squeeze page content and offer, sales pages, product/service delivery/pricing/rewards/moneyback guarantees/testimonials/payment and order processing options, buyer demand urgency and volume = excellent): 25%

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author donhx
      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

      I for one will do this if I were in such a situation you described above:

      4. Use $50 to develop the ebook with useful and timely content including graphics/images. I'll consult medical professionals, friends and referrals included, with expertise in relevant medical areas, and also ask their permission to have their names included in the ebook I'll be developing. I will send this to someone with a proven expertise of writing softsell content marketing materials which establish the reputation of the author as a friendly expert source of relevant, timely, popular and useful content/info/advice. Include necessary links pointing to content pages of my site offering unique supplementary info/advice/benefits relevant to my target keywords and audience.
      $50 buys all this? Hmmmmm. :confused: I'll take two.
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      • Profile picture of the author biosclan
        Originally Posted by donhx View Post

        $50 buys all this? Hmmmmm. :confused: I'll take two.

        Making an ebook is pretty damn easy if you have the content, I can whip out one pretty quick since I know Photoshop pretty decent in about an hour or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Best way to Spend $300 for instant targeted traffic?
    Send it to my paypal account and I'll check out your site and hit refresh on my browser for an hour.

    I am quality traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin_Hutto
    First off, $300 isnt much money, so you're not gonna get "tons" of traffic with it... But, probably your best bet would be to hire a decent phillipino writer for a month and have them crank out 10 articles a day for you. You get 200 articles to submit to EZA and then spin and submit to lesser engines once EZA accepts them. Your traffic will definitely be more targeted this way, and what you lack in numbers you will make up with conversions - if you have the writer create the right content for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingVet09
      Originally Posted by Kevin_Hutto View Post

      First off, $300 isnt much money, so you're not gonna get "tons" of traffic with it... But, probably your best bet would be to hire a decent phillipino writer for a month and have them crank out 10 articles a day for you. You get 200 articles to submit to EZA and then spin and submit to lesser engines once EZA accepts them. Your traffic will definitely be more targeted this way, and what you lack in numbers you will make up with conversions - if you have the writer create the right content for you.
      Hi, when I say a "ton of traffic", I'd like to at LEAST get a total of 5,000 unique targeted visitors out of the $300 if possible. 8,000 or more would be even better. Let me know if that sounds unrealistic.

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Nickolie0990
    Don't know if it has already been said, too lazy to read all the posts. But I would use the money for solo ads to build my email list.
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    • Originally Posted by donhx View Post

      $50 buys all this? Hmmmmm. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT="I'll take two.
      Yeah. 50 USD translates to Php2100 (Php = Philippine Pesos). I can use up Php100 worth of international calls to consult health & fitness professionals in the US, Australia and EU, who are relatives/colleagues/friends of my friends/colleagues as well as my own relatives, friends and colleagues (college buddies) working in those countries as medical professionals, and this can even cost me nothing by sending them emails, instant messages and private messages on FB. I will then ask my friends taking up PHDs in relevant medical areas of health & fitness at local and foreign universities to help me extensively research about more content which I can add to my ebook by interviewing their professors and other local medical professionals here with expertise in relevant health and fitness subjects. I can use up Php1000 to pay them. I have around Php1000 left, and I can pay one of my professional softsell content marketing writer colleagues with a university degree in relevant medical areas as well as relevant English journalism and English academic writing Php600 to develop the ebook using the consultation and research materials I will give this person. I will then ask one of my friends with a university degree in visual communications and relevant work experience in graphics design and who has worked at advertising firms here and abroad as an art director to develop layout and cover design for the ebook at Php400.
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        Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

        Yeah. 50 USD translates to Php2100 (Php = Philippine Pesos). I can use up Php100 worth of international calls to consult health & fitness professionals in the US, Australia and EU, who are relatives/colleagues/friends of my friends/colleagues as well as my own relatives, friends and colleagues (college buddies) working in those countries as medical professionals, and this can even cost me nothing by sending them emails, instant messages and private messages on FB. I will then ask my friends taking up PHDs in relevant medical areas of health & fitness at local and foreign universities to help me extensively research about more content which I can add to my ebook by interviewing their professors and other local medical professionals here with expertise in relevant health and fitness subjects. I can use up Php1000 to pay them. I have around Php1000 left, and I can pay one of my professional softsell content marketing writer colleagues with a university degree in relevant medical areas as well as relevant English journalism and English academic writing Php600 to develop the ebook using the consultation and research materials I will give this person. I will then ask one of my friends with a university degree in visual communications and relevant work experience in graphics design and who has worked at advertising firms here and abroad as an art director to develop layout and cover design for the ebook at Php400.
        So, you're paying $ $23.80 to write and illustrate a regular length e-book? I would not want to do that since just sniffing around the edges, it smells like worker exploitation. I leave that sort of thing to Nike and Wal-Mart. Also, American idiomatic English is unique, and offshore writers are seldom able to duplicate it, and that is reflected in quality. Writing does not import all that well in my experience.
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        • Originally Posted by donhx View Post

          So, you're paying $ $23.80 to write and illustrate a regular length e-book? I would not want to do that since just sniffing around the edges, it smells like worker exploitation. I leave that sort of thing to Nike and Wal-Mart. Also, American idiomatic English is unique, and offshore writers are seldom able to duplicate it, and that is reflected in quality. Writing does not import all that well in my experience.
          I believe what sounded to you as "worker exploitation" may be something you would need to look more closely into rather than believe your assumptions off the bat with what you know as everything is relative in a case to case environment, which I'm sure you know also means everything should be confirmed and validated, not checked as universally or even statistically accurate and move on to another point. First off, they are my friends, relatives and colleagues. This means the $$$ is just something which will buy us some drinks, a couple of lamb chops and lots of fun talking about these things. They will gladly help me out because I will willingly help them out as well in problems which I have resources to aid them. This is not worker exploitation. If you pay someone $20 for work which can be completed in 2 hours, then you're paying $10/hour. More than decent cost of living here in Manila, the country's capital, which means the same technology, same quality of government services, etc. as the more advanced developing countries, for a middleclass family of 3, and I'm sure you'd know this if you took the time to go here and experience it for yourself or would've otherwise validated with your friends/relatives/colleagues with such relevant experience and knowledge = $50/day, which is Php2100 per day x 20 days = Php42000 per month, and that's just one person working, say a father, and the $50/day rate is already for people working as top level workforce managers at IBM among other big corporations here. Say the mother also earns top level executive wages, around $50/day, so that'd be another Php42000 on the table per month. Php84000 per month is like having $5000 per month in the US with a family of 3, considering low daily living costs here because food, commodities and services are inexpensive here, but that's not middleclass ($5000/month income for a family of 3 in the US), that's lower middleclass there. Anyway, enough with the "worker exploitation" thing in the midst of outsourcing because we all have our reasons and vested interests here, 2 of which, at both ends, are most likely to (1) get more gainful opportunities for people in developing countries; and possibly (2) get those jobs back to US and EU nationals who are now losing their jobs, businesses, assets and liquid savings. Also, if you have spent time here in the Philippines, say 3 to 6 months, I'm sure you'll learn US culture does not differ that much, with what you're most likely thinking, because we have been immersed in US culture and English media since the 1940s, and English has been the preferred communications medium across the major cities and provinces of the Philippines, and English is taught as well as integrated into the hard sciences and other areas of humanities, arts, social sciences, etc. from preschool to post graduate courses here. Also, I cannot think of any non-native English speaking country other than the Philippines (I've been around Asia and the EU) where a major percentage of its population can significantly read, write and understand English even without formal training/schooling. I wouldn't know about other relevant skills like offline sales and marketing, business development and marketing planning, employee management, software programming, Internet marketing, etc., though I know a lot of Filipinos, myself included, who learned these things on their own and by experience, not by any mentor or ebook or video course or coaching program or university degree or training certificate. What I mentioned here are based on my observations, experience, test results and other relevant factors which could affect each situation at hand in a unique but still in statistically measurable ways, which just means any 2 or more people can have different opinions about anything, and not necessarily for only one opinion to be universally acceptable statistically, not necessarily for those 2 or more opinions to be universally acceptable statistically, and not necessarily for all opinions to be statistically invalid universally. Me, I just use factors from proven facts, statistically accurate claims/principles/concepts, results from formulated relevant tests and my experience. Also, I just shared my relevant experience and did not ask, anywhere in my post, anyone to follow what I said.
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            Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

            I believe what sounded to you as "worker exploitation" may be something you would need to look more closely into rather than believe your assumptions off the bat with what you know as everything is relative in a case to case environment, which I'm sure you know also means everything should be confirmed and validated, not checked as universally or even statistically accurate and move on to another point. First off, they are my friends, relatives and colleagues. This means the $$$ is just something which will buy us some drinks, a couple of lamb chops and lots of fun talking about these things. They will gladly help me out because I will willingly help them out as well in problems which I have resources to aid them. This is not worker exploitation. If you pay someone $20 for work which can be completed in 2 hours, then you're paying $10/hour. More than decent cost of living here in Manila, the country's capital, which means the same technology, same quality of government services, etc. as the more advanced developing countries, for a middleclass family of 3, and I'm sure you'd know this if you took the time to go here and experience it for yourself or would've otherwise validated with your friends/relatives/colleagues with such relevant experience and knowledge = $50/day, which is Php2100 per day x 20 days = Php42000 per month, and that's just one person working, say a father, and the $50/day rate is already for people working as top level workforce managers at IBM among other big corporations here. Say the mother also earns top level executive wages, around $50/day, so that'd be another Php42000 on the table per month. Php84000 per month is like having $5000 per month in the US with a family of 3, considering low daily living costs here because food, commodities and services are inexpensive here, but that's not middleclass ($5000/month income for a family of 3 in the US), that's lower middleclass there. Anyway, enough with the "worker exploitation" thing in the midst of outsourcing because we all have our reasons and vested interests here, 2 of which, at both ends, are most likely to (1) get more gainful opportunities for people in developing countries; and possibly (2) get those jobs back to US and EU nationals who are now losing their jobs, businesses, assets and liquid savings. Also, if you have spent time here in the Philippines, say 3 to 6 months, I'm sure you'll learn US culture does not differ that much, with what you're most likely thinking, because we have been immersed in US culture and English media since the 1940s, and English has been the preferred communications medium across the major cities and provinces of the Philippines, and English is taught as well as integrated into the hard sciences and other areas of humanities, arts, social sciences, etc. from preschool to post graduate courses here. Also, I cannot think of any non-native English speaking country other than the Philippines (I've been around Asia and the EU) where a major percentage of its population can significantly read, write and understand English even without formal training/schooling. I wouldn't know about other relevant skills like offline sales and marketing, business development and marketing planning, employee management, software programming, Internet marketing, etc., though I know a lot of Filipinos, myself included, who learned these things on their own and by experience, not by any mentor or ebook or video course or coaching program or university degree or training certificate. What I mentioned here are based on my observations, experience, test results and other relevant factors which could affect each situation at hand in a unique but still in statistically measurable ways, which just means any 2 or more people can have different opinions about anything, and not necessarily for only one opinion to be universally acceptable statistically, not necessarily for those 2 or more opinions to be universally acceptable statistically, and not necessarily for all opinions to be statistically invalid universally. Me, I just use factors from proven facts, statistically accurate claims/principles/concepts, results from formulated relevant tests and my experience. Also, I just shared my relevant experience and did not ask, anywhere in my post, anyone to follow what I said.

            Sorry, I didn't read all of this message. It is what writers call a "wall of type" and not a desirable form of communication. Most people, at least in North America, expect one major idea to a paragraph which is composed of up to about 10-12 sentences.

            I respect you and Filipino people. However, I think what you have written and the way you wrote it, confirms my view that virtually all offshore writing is not idiomatic and is therefore problematic. It may be cheap, but it's not necessarily good.

            IM people need to think more in terms of reaching people with the kind of articles that contain language that informs and persuades, and that is best written by writers who live within the same culture as those doing the buying. Having articles or e-books written by offshore people may be cheap, but the content often disappoints.
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            • Originally Posted by donhx View Post

              Sorry, I didn't read all of this message. It is what writers call a "wall of type" and not a desirable form of communication. Most people, at least in North America, expect one major idea to a paragraph which is composed of up to about 10-12 sentences.

              I respect you and Filipino people. However, I think what you have written and the way you wrote it, confirms my view that virtually all offshore writing is not idiomatic and is therefore problematic. It may be cheap, but it's not necessarily good.

              IM people need to think more in terms of reaching people with the kind of articles that contain language that informs and persuades, and that is best written by writers who live within the same culture as those doing the buying. Having articles or e-books written by offshore people may be cheap, but the content often disappoints.
              Ha.. Ha.. Excuse the brashness, but you being an English communications queen in an informal forum such as the WarriorForum? Come on man, lighten up! Have you even thought of taking your money where your mouth is and started making "better" comparative analysis such as reading this sample here then comparing it against this one here, supposedly written by a native English speaker -- I'm pointing out writing tone/style "to entertain" while informing and educating". I wrote the other one. Fundamentally, I believe all Web content needs to inform, educate, entertain and persuade. How do you do that? Simple: Format a paragraph this way --

              Action. Proof 1. Proof 2. Proof 3. Action.

              What is an "action" sentence?
              An "action sentence" is an "imperative" sentence.
              An "imperative" sentence is a sentence that gives advice or instructions, or that expresses a request or a command.
              Imperative Sentence Example: Doing this will help solve this problem.
              The subject of an "Action" sentence is always a "verb in the future progressive tense".
              A "verb in the future progressive tense" is a verb that describes an ongoing or continuous action which will take place in the future.
              This future progressive verb tense is formed by using a verb at the start of a sentence ending in "ing", followed by a verb or linking verb such as "will" or "shall", etc.
              Future Progressive Verb Examples: doing, learning, reading, implementing, incorporating, using, studying
              An "Action" sentence always starts with a "future progressive verb" because the "future progressive verb" is the subject of the "imperative" sentence.
              Example Action Sentence: Implementing these 5 secret natural weight loss ways will make you lose weight fast.
              In this example Action sentence, the subject is "Implementing these 5 secret natural weight loss ways", the verb is "will help you" and the predicate is "lose weight fast".

              What is a "Proof" sentence?
              A "proof sentence" is a "declarative" sentence which expresses factual information and advice that can prove the action sentence.
              A "declarative" sentence is a sentence in the form of a statement.
              A "statement" is information or advice that has been validated to be real.
              Example Declarative Sentence: The boy is running.
              Example Proof Sentence: Swedish model (enter Swedish model name here) told CNN health news reporters last Nov 02 that she constantly implements these weight management and weight maintenance tips into her daily health program.
              In this example, "Swedish model (enter Swedish model name here)" is the subject, told CNN news reporters last Nov 02 that she constantly implements" is the verb and "these weight management and weight maintenance tips into her daily health program" is the predicate.

              Sentence construction is pretty obvious. Making first sentences as topic sentences of each paragraph is pretty straightforward writing 101. The joker of the pack is "to entertain". Why? Even cultural groups have different ideas about entertainment. What is a possible workaround solution? Talk to people included in your target audience. Research about what they find entertaining in relevant topics. Yes, this is included in "extensive research", not just for content richness, mind you. Ahh well, I'm done with this. OP, apologies for this. I just can't let someone who thinks his opinion is the statistically and universally correct observation even if he has made the wrong observations at incorrect places and in the wrong situations. After all, people can be misinformed, so I'm just describing a situation where his opinion can most likely be flawed for others to make their own informed decisions and not one based on misinformation which more than often leads to a misinformed decision. @ donhx: If you have things to add, we can continue this professionally via private messaging so this won't flare up into something which I'll end up not responding to.
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      Originally Posted by thegabrieljibril View Post

      i think the best way to go is solo ads, nothing more than that. $300 wont get you that far.
      Exactly what I was going to say.

      Use the solo ads to drive the traffice to a squeeze page and then offer them a closely related One Time Offer and you should recoup a good chunk of your investment (if not more).

      I have personally used this technique to build my list fast! You can't get more targeted traffic and if you build a list you can promote offers again and again. . .

      Where to find solo ads?? Great Question! Cruise over to the "Joint Venture" Section of this forum and you will find Warriors offering solo ads to different niche lists. I have personally used only the WF for all my solo ads and have always been pleased!

      Good Luck
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      • Profile picture of the author Demian V
        For $300, at $5 for 1,000 U.S. visitors, you could get 60,000 visitors to your site, squeeze page, or CPA offer using adf.ly.

        Not targeted traffic, but I bet you could get a few hundred people on your list or make more than your investment back using CPA offers.
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    Hi woah316,

    I have a tested method which works for broad niches. This method will surly work for weight loss niche and top of all its scalable and measurable.

    You have to find ezines in your niche and ask them for ad placement rates and other statistics. Some of ezines also offer SOLO ads.

    Hope this help.

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