Question for Article Marketers using Clickbank

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I am planning to try to market clickbank products. I'm very new to IM but so far I've learned to build small sites, integrate products, write presell pages, backlink in various ways, SEO and write articles.

I have a small site for an amazon product that I was able to get to #2 on google but the product is bad and the keywords get dismal traffic so lesson learned there.

My problem is with trying to choose a clickbank product / niche. I just cant seem to find anything that has keywords that I think I can rank for with articles. Everything there seems to be pretty dominated. Maybe I'm missing something. Heres what I do so far:

I find a product that seems to be in an appealing niche and I begin to do keyword research for it. I use the google keyword tool to find all the long keywords that have about 200+ searches per month. Then I type those keywords into google with quotes to check the competition. (long process i know but not ready to buy MNF or MS just yet.)

The problem is that all of them seem so far to be dominated on the first page of google by authority sites and other articles that have hundreds or sometimes thousands of backlinks. I feel that it will be too tough to compete with them and I head back to CB to look at another product.

Been stuck in this cycle for days and my eyes are bleeding! Is it this difficult to find something that's not completely dominated on CB or am I missing something? Should I just jump in and start or take more time to find something that wont be too difficult to rank for?

I'm chomping at the bit to get started but I cant seem to get past this first hurdle!

What do you guys look for with regard to niches and keyword searches / competition?


Thanks in advance. Any help is greatly appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    I would first find a niche that may be served by several products in Clickbank. Write a short related giveaway report to build up your list, then promote Clickbank products to your list. Unless you try long tail keywords, this seems to be much easier than trying to compete with authority sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      MYOB

      Thanks for the advice. I agree with giveaway offers and list building but I have trouble finding a niche to begin with. It seems like the popular niches will be impossible for me to get traffic in. Even the not so popular ones at clickbank seem to be dominated for every long tail keyword i find.

      I plan to drive traffic with article marketing. I will write many many articles for the niche and try to rank each article for a specific related long tail keyword.

      The problem is that every related long tail keyword that I find (even the ones with only 100-200 global monthly searches) seem to be already dominated. So I'm confused as to how my articles will be able to rank and drive any traffic to my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    Yes the first thing you need to do is find a profitable niche. So what is a profitable niche?

    One that people are paying adwords for, one that has affiliate products available in it for you to market, naturally one that has traffic. These should be the major things you cover first. There are more but this at least gives you something to work with.

    After all before you start building something you need to have a solid foundation first or else everything will eventually fall.

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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      Cyber...

      I agree that I need to find a profitable niche first. So far, they have all been profitable niches (for someone).

      But I was under the understanding that If I want to be able to drive traffic to my site in a particular niche via article marketing, I will need to be able to get my articles to rank well. So the competition for the niche related long tail keywords needs to be somewhat penetrable so my articles can rank and thus drive traffic back to my site.

      That is the part that I can't seem to find: related keyword combinations that I can rank for with the articles. They all seem to be dominated already.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    If I were you I would go about this in reverse . . .

    Instead of looking for a product which determines a niche, I would choose a niche first . . .

    Find a niche with good keywords that you can easily rank for and instead of ranking your reviews or articles, try to rank your site for these related keywords . . .

    You can use wordpress and write articles to post on your blog that are related to the keywords. You can then change these slightly and change the title and submit to the article directories. Link your sites back to your blog and your set . . .

    Be sure to add an opt-in box to the sidebar of your blog so you can build a list.

    I like to offer amazon and other products as well instead of focusing on one product alone. This way you have backup and can rank for several keywords . . .

    Here is one of my new niche sites that use this method . . . However, there are no clickbank products that directly relate to this niche so I just use adsense and amazon, but you get the general idea. CoonHounds.Info

    Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      Coby,

      Thanks for the info.

      I thought about starting with a niche and then finding a product but I guess I was pretty determined to use clickbank. If I spend tons of time finding a good niche and clickbank didnt have any products for it, i'd be back to the drawing board.

      It's a good option though...
      If I cant find a clickbank product in a niche that still has room, i will have to consider physical products. I may try amazon but 4% seems really low. Seems like I'd need to build 100 websites to make significant money.

      Thanks for the example too. Thats exactly the type of site that I've been experimenting with building. The only difference is that I was hoping to focus on CB. Mind if I ask what WP theme you use? It looks nice and clean.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

        I may try amazon but 4% seems really low. Seems like I'd need to build 100 websites to make significant money.
        That "4%" can be up to 9%, I think? And certainly many people earn about 7.5% on average.

        It seems to be very widely experienced by Warriors that conversion-rates on Amazon affiliate sites/blogs can fairly easily be ten times the size of conversion-rates on Clickbank affiliate sites/blogs.

        How does that compare with Clickbank's "up to 75%" commissions? 7.5% of 10 sales is the same (but perhaps more steady and reliable) as 75% of 1 sale, isn't it, if the retail price is the same? Then again, of course, Amazon do sell a lot of flat-screen TV's and fridge-freezers and so on, which cost more than almost anything on Clickbank.

        I'm a Clickbank affiliate, myself, and have never promoted Amazon products at all, so I'm perhaps not very well placed to debate the point with you, really: I just don't like to see people misleading themselves with "selected information"!
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          I don't promote anything for Amazon because, first... I live in a state where I am unable to and they pulled my account just when I started making money with them so they can pound sand as far as I'm concerned and, two... I'd rather make $25 - $30 for the sale of a book as opposed to a couple of bucks.

          As far as keyword research and niches being dominated and keywords being dominated... I have to tell you honestly that I didn't do any keyword research in the beginning and still rarely do. My keyword research and long tail keyword come from common sense. I could care less how "dominated" a niche is. Chances are that is where the money is and my strategy is more of a long term strategy so I have years to build backlinks, write articles. I don't focus on competition at all. I just write and what will be is what will be... and it works for me.

          Think of it this way... how many good quality, informative articles do you think you could have written over the days that you have spent doing boring keyword research looking for that long tail keyword with little or no competition? Comes a time when you just have to do something that is actually going to build your business. Sure, you will make mistakes and wish you had done things differently but that is how we learn. Then you will build another site and build on what you have learned. Nobody is going to laugh at you, mock you, trash your site... put forth the effort and focus on quality and you will find success. It is a learning process, my friend. You can do this stuff.
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          • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
            Have you considered trying PPC advertising for your niches? (once you have picked them)

            It is definitely one of the fastest ways to see if you have a converting offer or not.

            And use SEO for the long haul once you know which niches to focus on.
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          • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
            Bretski,

            Your post is actually pretty inspiring to me. Although, based on what I've heard here on the forums about proper keyword research, I'd feel pretty sketchy about skipping it.

            On the other hand, if you were actually able to find some success in a popular niche without it, that certainly motivates me to be a bit less afraid of competition. I suppose, I could learn alot if I just jump in somewhere and start swimming.

            It's true that I could have cranked out quite a few articles and learned a few things already if I hadn't gotten so swamped in perfecting the keyword research. I don't know a lot about getting mass amts of quality backlinks yet so I guess I have a tendency to shy away from tough competition.

            I am going to continue to do brief keyword research I think (too scared to quit completely), but I am going to take your advice into serious consideration none-the-less. If I run into trouble ranking articles or my site, I suppose I could always learn more about getting some good backlinks.

            Thanks again!
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        • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          That "4%" can be up to 9%, I think? And certainly many people earn about 7.5% on average.

          It seems to be very widely experienced by Warriors that conversion-rates on Amazon affiliate sites/blogs can fairly easily be ten times the size of conversion-rates on Clickbank affiliate sites/blogs.

          How does that compare with Clickbank's "up to 75%" commissions? 7.5% of 10 sales is the same (but perhaps more steady and reliable) as 75% of 1 sale, isn't it, if the retail price is the same? Then again, of course, Amazon do sell a lot of flat-screen TV's and fridge-freezers and so on, which cost more than almost anything on Clickbank.

          I'm a Clickbank affiliate, myself, and have never promoted Amazon products at all, so I'm perhaps not very well placed to debate the point with you, really: I just don't like to see people misleading themselves with "selected information"!

          Thank You Alexa,


          I've certainly heard that Amazon product conversion is significantly higher so I haven't ruled it out. It's on my list of things to try but I would like to try to stay focused on one method first. I'm afraid of spreading myself thin.

          For some crazy reason, I'm determined to go all out in my efforts to promote a clickbank product using article marketing. I think I'm getting closer to finding something that I can break into. I just need to do some more keyword research to be sure.

          I've seen in some of your other posts that you do a lot of this type of marketing. I also heard that it is pretty tough for a beginner. Is it something you would recommend? I think I can write a pretty good article from time to time and I'm not opposed to writing 100 of them (if there are enough decent keywords) if necessary.

          I plan to post each one to my own site first, then EZA, then as many other directories that I can. Question: If I submit an article to EZA, should I repost it to the other directories unchanged, spin it for each one, or rewrite it completely for each one? Ive' seen conflicting info about this so I was just wondering what your opinion was.


          Thanks again
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

            I've seen in some of your other posts that you do a lot of this type of marketing. I also heard that it is pretty tough for a beginner. Is it something you would recommend? I think I can write a pretty good article from time to time and I'm not opposed to writing 100 of them (if there are enough decent keywords) if necessary.
            Well, look, I can't tell if it will be good for you. But I do know from my own experience that it's possible. And it's a great shame for someone who can write pretty good articles not to put that skill to good use.

            Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

            I plan to post each one to my own site first, then EZA
            So far, so good.

            Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

            then as many other directories that I can.
            If you re-submit it to "as many other directories as you can" (and of course I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't - though I admit it isn't what I do, myself), then bear in mind that with very rare exceptions, the only real, consistent benefit you're getting from them is backlinks.

            Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

            Question: If I submit an article to EZA, should I repost it to the other directories unchanged, spin it for each one, or rewrite it completely for each one? Ive' seen conflicting info about this so I was just wondering what your opinion was.
            There's enormous, overwhelmingly conflicting information about it, because a really high proportion of those discussing it don't quite appreciate the difference between "duplicate content" and "syndicated content".

            Here's a very short, very recent thread (worth reading!) which illustrates the point perfectly.

            If you're doing it just for backlinks, then there's absolutely no point in spinning, because spun content and syndicated content get identical backlinks in identical places. This much is unarguable.

            There's an argument for changing the keywords a little, maybe the title, and maybe the resource-box (some will allow three links, for example, rather than EZA's two, if you want three).

            In short, my contention is that to get the benefits of spinning (which are, by definition, all non-backlink benefits), in my opinion, you'd have to spin so meticulously, painstakingly, methodically and insert other adverbs to taste, that it's easier to write another new article. That's opinion only. People disagree and I respect that, but if it turns out that their disagreement is based on either a "backlink argument" or a "duplicate content penalty argument", then the reality is that they don't understand what they're talking about (oops, did I say that out loud?!).
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            • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
              Thanks Alexa,

              My idea for reposting the article to the other directories was indeed for backlinks. I was thinking that each one would have one link to my EZA article to help it rank.?.? and one link back to my site to help it rank. I read this idea somewhere and it sounded reasonable to me. Then again, when you are new to something, everything sounds reasonable...

              You mentioned that this is not something that you do. May I be so bold as to ask what you do? I would certainly be interested in an experienced point of view on the subject. I'd give you my first born child in return but hes like 7yrs old now...

              As far as spinning is concerned, I think I read you loud and clear. I see some other posts as well that confirm that it's unnecessary for these purposes.


              Thanks again for taking the time to give a newbie some advice. Undoubtedly, you have already answered these same questions many times over.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

                Thanks Alexa,

                My idea for reposting the article to the other directories was indeed for backlinks.
                Mine, too.

                It's a benefit. A very, very small benefit. Most of them will be non-context-relevant, pr-0 backlinks (your article will be on a pr-0 page even if the home page of the article directory is pr-6 or pr-7, say).

                Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

                I was thinking that each one would have one link to my EZA article to help it rank.?.? and one link back to my site to help it rank. I read this idea somewhere and it sounded reasonable to me.
                Many people do this.

                It's superficially attractive but doesn't stand up to examination.

                You'd end up with a situation in which EZA permanently outranks your own site for your own keywords.

                Yes, there's a potential (sometimes more than just "potential") short-term benefit to doing it, each time. It's a trap. In the long run, it shoots your own site in the foot.

                It's fine for what people call a "rinse and repeat" model of article marketing, which goes together with "writing for clicks" and "calling to action" and getting some fast traffic and fast sales. It can work. As long as you keep on and on rinsing and repeating. What it doesn't do is build up a genuine business based on appreciating assets and gradually increasing residual income from work already done. (Not much, anyway.) You need to use article directories for their proper purpose, to do that: stop "writing for clicks" and start writing for syndication, which is where the real money is, in article marketing.

                Don't think about trying to boost the EZA copies of your articles. Think about doing SEO for your own site, your business's appreciating asset.

                Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

                May I be so bold as to ask what you do?
                If only I knew how to find my earlier posts on the subject and link to them (as I can on some subjects, not on this one! ).

                I write for syndication, in a nutshell. Long, informative, controversial, entertaining (those are the four main things) articles which others will syndicate from article directories (mostly from EZA, to be realistic) to their own sites, bringing me in gradually increasing context-relevant, high-PR (sometimes) backlinks, and already-targeted traffic, producing gradually increasing future opt-ins and sales. There we are: I managed to keep it brief, for once.

                The point is: I'm not "writing for clicks". I have a low click-through rate from the copies of my articles sent to EZA. (Average 17%/18%). I'm writing for webmasters and ezine/newsletter compilers to reproduce my work when they go to an article directory to source content for their sites/ezines. (This is what an article directory is, hello? ).

                The other point is: I want customers to find it on my site, not on EZA's. The people I want to find it at EZA are webmasters, not customers. They find it by searching EZA, not by searching Google. I don't need the EZA copy to rank on Google to fulfil my purpose. And I don't want it to rank on Google for ever at the expense of my own site being shot in the elegantly high-heeled foot. I do, however, want the copy originally published and indexed on my site to rank as highly as possible for as long as possible.

                Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

                I'd give you my first born child in return but hes like 7yrs old now...
                You are generous to a fault. (The fault that being that I'm three times his age!).
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                • Profile picture of the author bt
                  Welcome to the ballgame Cantbedone! Internet marketing can be very rewarding but it can also be a very hard business to run. Every day the competition grows more and more fierce. I'm not trying to discourage you here I'm just telling you the facts.

                  I know exactly what you mean about doing keyword research. The main thing is just to stick with it no matter what don't give up on yourself. I would recommend that you join the war room, I don't know what your financial situation is but, if you have the money to join I would do it, there is so many marketing tactics discussed inside the war room, as well as keyword research tactics that I believe would help you a great deal. Anyway that's just my two cents. Good luck with your marketing journey.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
                    Thanks bt,

                    I'll definitely stick with it. Once I become obsessed with a challenge, I keep going until I figure it out or completely fail. Hopefully the former of course.

                    I feel the pressure of the growing competition as well and I hope to get in and get knowledgeable so I can adapt with the tide when it changes.
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                • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
                  Alexa,

                  Wow, that changes my perception of this whole article marketing thing a bit. Glad I learned now rather than later. I always thought that the articles were primarily to send traffic as click-throughs rather than boost ranking of my site with this model. Thank you for that!

                  Let me see if I understand this properly. Lets say I have a site that presells a CB product on the main page. I then add content by writing related articles based on other keywords in my niche and post them to my site as individual pages and get them indexed there. Then I take each article, post it to directories where one backlink will point back to my presell page and the other will point to....the same article that resides on my site or does the second link also point back to my presell page?

                  I assume that it would link back to the article that resides on my site to help that page rank but not sure.


                  Thanks again. Things are getting clearer.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                    Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

                    Alexa,

                    Wow, that changes my perception of this whole article marketing thing a bit. Glad I learned now rather than later. I always thought that the articles were primarily to send traffic as click-throughs rather than boost ranking of my site with this model.
                    Well, to be fair, that is one "model" of article marketing. It works very much less well now than 5 - 7 years ago, I gather (when not so many people were doing it), and it's tremendously hard work "rinsing and repeating" all the time, and the proportion of people for whom it works at all is pretty low (which is, of course, why the turnover of participants in article marketing is so very high), but undeniably there still are some people who make it work for them, up to a point. Not a very advanced point, perhaps, but still a point.

                    To put it very mildly and tactfully indeed, it's a sort of "second-best approach", stacking the statistical deck very firmly against yourself for the long term.

                    When people start off threads here saying "Article marketing doesn't work any more" (which they do, from time to time, although of course far more people just "drop out silently") you can be virtually certain that they've (i) been "writing for clicks", (ii) been sending traffic to article directories instead of getting traffic from article directories, and (iii) been submitting short articles which nobody will want to syndicate; and it's also highly likely that they've (iv) used a spinner and/or a mass-automated-submitter, and (v) failed to appreciate what an article directory actually is; and it's also distinctly possible (though here I digress) that they've (vi) been promoting products which a successful affiliate wouldn't have been trying to sell anyway.

                    I started off doing all these things wrong, myself!

                    After many months, I realised this wasn't working.

                    I was confident/arrogant enough about my own writing/copywriting skills not to wonder if the problem was with the writing in my articles and on my little sites, but to assume that it was because I was following prevalent advice which was itself deeply flawed and unreliable. It just suddenly struck me that in a business activity in which the success-rate is so low, and turnover of people so very high, there was a pretty good chance that the "generally available advice" was itself all going to turn out to be pretty misguided. And I also started seeing some things given as advice which I was pretty sure were mistaken, like the whole "duplicate content" story, which clearly didn't add up. (Fortunately I was right about this).

                    Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

                    Let me see if I understand this properly. Lets say I have a site that presells a CB product on the main page. I then add content by writing related articles based on other keywords in my niche and post them to my site as individual pages and get them indexed there. Then I take each article, post it to directories where one backlink will point back to my presell page and the other will point to....the same article that resides on my site or does the second link also point back to my presell page?
                    Never point back from an article directory copy to another copy of the same thing on your own site. It needs to be on your site primarily for search engines and perhaps other visitors to read, not for your visitors from article directories. There's no harm at all having it there, but no need to link to it.

                    I typically use my two links for my landing page and one other internal page, in each article, so that my landing page gets 50% of all the article links, and the other pages each get some. (But I have my list-building opt in box on every page, so the reader's always seeing that, wherever they "land").

                    When you start off, your site won't be much more than a landing page, of course, but thats fine, too. You can use both links to go there.

                    But don't link back to another copy of the same article.

                    (There are even a few people who, with some of the most contorted, contrived "reasoning" you could ever imagine, try to argue that the fact that you don't want people seeing another copy of the same article when they get to your site is a reason for not having it there at all, not posting them first on your own site, and so on!! :rolleyes: ).

                    Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

                    I assume that it would link back to the article that resides on my site to help that page rank but not sure.
                    Other articles can link to that one, so you're showing people there are a few. Or to a review-page (if that isn't on the landing page), or whatever ... it depends how your site's designed. But it's not a disaster at all, especially in the early stages, just to link to the landing page. This is comparatively "fine print stuff" compared with the "overall thrust of the argument".
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                    • Profile picture of the author CDaeda
                      Is there a good alternative to clickbank? A listing of alternatives. Many clickbank products are not worth promoting.
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                      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                      Well, to be fair, that is one "model" of article marketing. It works very much less well now than 5 - 7 years ago, I gather (when not so many people were doing it), and it's tremendously hard work "rinsing and repeating" all the time, and the proportion of people for whom it works at all is pretty low (which is, of course, why the turnover of participants in article marketing is so very high), but undeniably there still are some people who make it work for them, up to a point. Not a .....very advanced point, perhaps, but still a point.

                      To put it very mildly and tactfully indeed, it's a sort of "second-best approach", stacking the statistical deck very firmly against yourself for the long term.....

                      When people start off threads here saying "Article marketing doesn't work any more" (which they do, from time to time, although of course far more people just "drop out silently") you can be virtually certain that they've (i) been "writing for clicks", (ii) been sending traffic to article directories instead of getting traffic from article directories, and (iii) been submitting short articles which nobody will want to syndicate; and it's also highly likely that they've (iv) used a spinner and/or a mass-automated-submitter, and (v) failed to appreciate what an article directory actually is; and it's also distinctly possible (though here I digress) that they've (vi) been promoting products which a successful affiliate wouldn't have been trying to sell anyway.

                      I started off doing all these things wrong, myself!

                      After many months, I realised this wasn't working.

                      I was confident/arrogant enough about my own writing/copywriting skills not to wonder if the problem was with the writing in my articles and on my little sites, but to assume that it was because I was following prevalent advice which was itself deeply flawed and unreliable. It just suddenly struck me that in a business activity in which the success-rate is so low, and turnover of people so very high, there was a pretty good chance that the "generally available advice" was itself all going to turn out to be pretty misguided. And I also started seeing some things given as advice which I was pretty sure were mistaken, like the whole "duplicate content" story, which clearly didn't add up. (Fortunately I was right about this).



                      Never point back from an article directory copy to another copy of the same thing on your own site. It needs to be on your site primarily for search engines and perhaps other visitors to read, not for your visitors from article directories. There's no harm at all having it there, but no need to link to it.

                      I typically use my two links for my landing page and one other internal page, in each article, so that my landing page gets 50% of all the article links, and the other pages each get some. (But I have my list-building opt in box on every page, so the reader's always seeing that, wherever they "land").

                      When you start off, your site won't be much more than a landing page, of course, but thats fine, too. You can use both links to go there.

                      But don't link back to another copy of the same article.

                      (There are even a few people who, with some of the most contorted, contrived "reasoning" you could ever imagine, try to argue that the fact that you don't want people seeing another copy of the same article when they get to your site is a reason for not having it there at all, not posting them first on your own site, and so on!! :rolleyes: ).



                      Other articles can link to that one, so you're showing people there are a few. Or to a review-page (if that isn't on the landing page), or whatever ... it depends how your site's designed. But it's not a disaster at all, especially in the early stages, just to link to the landing page. This is comparatively "fine print stuff" compared with the "overall thrust of the argument".
                      Good advise. will follow
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    I suggest you to choose ClickBank products which recently launched to get max exposure.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      Himanuzo,

      Thanks for the suggestion. I went over to clickbank to try this but I cannot find a way to search for new products or recently launched products. What am I missing over there?
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  • Profile picture of the author nelaffiliate
    I understand your dilemma. Everything seems to be dominated, but the truth is that you can still find some good keywords.

    You need to make sure that your have the "exact phrase" monthly search count on while searching with the google keyword tool. This will give you a better idea of the real number of people searching for the product.

    Try using the wordtracker keyword tool to first find long tail keywords, then come over to google to check how many searches the google tool shows.

    Dig deep into related words. You can still find some good keywords out there. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Bainbridge
    Be careful, you are in danger of freezing up and encountering paralysis by over analysis.

    Just pick a niche - it doesn't matter anyway as your first efforts you will likely not make that much no matter what niche you pick as there is a lot to learn... this isn't negative, it is just how it is... treat it as a learning experience, and just do your plan no matter what. I promise you by simply picking a niche, researching 10-20 long tail keywords and writing articles for them, posting them to the article sites... that after this you will have a much better idea of what to promote, how to write, what you can rank for and what types of and level of competition of keywords you can rank for and will generate you trafffic.

    Just do it, get this first try out of the way asap - doing this soon and just taking action, sticking to your plan no matter of lack of early results... this is what will help to make you successful in the longer term... you need to do this, quick, to get some experience as you will learn more by doing this that 10 weeks of reading this or any forum!

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
      Clickbank isn't necessarily the easiest to get started with when you're new to making money online. There are ALOT of experienced affiliates promoting Clickbank products and it can be difficult to find some keywords that you can rank for.

      If you're only looking at high gravity products that could be the reason you're having some difficulty. There are some great products in smaller niches with gravity under 30 (some as low as under 10) that aren't as competitive as the high gravity products.

      Personally my first big successes with regard to affiliate marketing were outside of Clickbank. There are many other great networks (and even some independent affiliate programs) that aren't as competitive. I progressed to Clickbank when I had more experience and was ready to start building a list (that's just me though).
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      SubMP3s...

      Yeah, you're right about freezing up. If I get stuck trying to find a niche and product, I'll never get out of the gate.

      I understand that I'll learn a lot more by jumping in and doing something but I plan to spend many hours a day writing articles for the next month to promote a product and I just don't want to waste all that effort on something that will be impossible for me to sell.

      Being new, I don't expect my first attempt to be a grand slam but I would like to avoid it being a total failure if possible. Never fear though, one way or another, I intend to get started very soon. If I cant find something less competitive, then I'll jump into the best thing I can find. If my articles don't rank, maybe I'll try backlinking the hell out of them...heh. If it doesn't work, I'll move on and try again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    The "trick" is knowing how to dig out the buyer keywords that are harder to find. You won't get as much traffic, but it'll convert better. And test different CB products in your niche to see which one has the best combination of commission and conversion rate for the traffic you're sending to each sales page. Gravity doesn't always tell you what you want to know.

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  • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
    Chris Kent,

    Good advice.

    Since I'm really having trouble finding those that are not overly competitive, perhaps I will have to take your advice and learn some good ways to backlink articles. It feels weird sending backlinks to an article rather than to my own site but if thats what it takes then thats what it takes.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      The only thing I ever do any keyword research for is to find keywords that I hadn't thought about related to my niche... sort of to diversify my keywords so a year up the road my site doesn't look like it's just ranking for one keyword.

      You have a lot of good advice here from some people that know their stuff... and some advice that I don't necessarily agree with or practice but to each his own...

      I have an article directory and I know that some of the authors in there build backlinks to their articles in my directory which is wicked cool for my directory! Not so cool for their site that they are trying to drive traffic to though

      Keep on working and you will find success. You do sound like you have some experience under your belt. Just don't be a lemming and take everything as gospel. This is by far the best forum for finding good info and help and a neat community.
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    I highly recommend you use cbtrends.com to find new and high or low gravity products that are gaining momentum before they get too competitive and to be extra sure and to do comparisons you can check search trends in Google Trends.

    TOP TIP: Its better to chase lower gravity products with high google search trends and low google competition!

    If you make money through blogging and promoting affiliate products in ways or reviews etc, I recommend Keyword Winner (SEO Plugin) to chase high search trend and low competition keywords in your headlines for your blog posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post


    My problem is with trying to choose a clickbank product / niche. I just cant seem to find anything that has keywords that I think I can rank for with articles. Everything there seems to be pretty dominated. Maybe I'm missing something.
    My own observation is that this is hugely a "trial-and-error" thing. Even with the best SEO and keyword research software, i always see unexpected results.

    A niche which i determine as extremely well can not do so in reality, and with another niche which (allegedly) is over-saturated can yield unexpected results.

    The same for a variety of clickbank products - some just turn out duds besides logic telling me it should do well....

    The best results with article marketing i have in a pretty saturated market. Easy rule: What works for person X should also work for person Y.

    The rest is trial and error.
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  • Profile picture of the author nexpert
    When I started Internet marketing, I faced a similar dilemma. I was unable to find a product for which I could rank better. All the damned slots for first page were filled with monsters.

    After wasting months to rank for those products, I figured that what I need is an identity which is trusted by people. Whether I write articles on my mini sites or not, it really doesn't matter. I need a following; Damn it, I need a list.

    Focus on building a list and provide them the stuff, they are expecting to get by subscribing to you. It will convert them from your subscribers to your fans. When it happens, they will be ready to spend money on your recommendation.

    This is the way to go, if you really want to promote information products.
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