Selling an ebook - what's the point?!

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Serious question!

Writing all that content just to put it into an ebook and sell it for $17 or whatever seems like a lot of work for not much return. One of the competitors for a niche I am looking at sells an absolutely amazing ebook for $25 and I just cannot see what the advantage would be in doing that over, say:

- packaging the same content into a course (an autoresponder series/membership site), with a little extra work to make some worksheets that actually gets people DOING what the book says, with a higher price-tag (which is what I am going to do - well, with MY content, not his )
- making a how-to video course that show you all the same stuff, but with a higher perceived value, i.e. price

...and a bunch of other things you could do to get far more value out of the materials?

No really, I am interested, what trick am I missing? Do ebooks sell more over the long run? I know some people are selling shed-loads of ebooks via Amazon, say, but most people are just selling it themselves, or via affiliates, so what's the 'secret'?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Are you sure they even wrote the ebook and it's not a PLR ebook?

    With what you've suggested that you'd do differently, it sounds like even more work to create. It may give you the option of selling at a higher price point but I suppose that is where the business side comes in of figuring out... if I sell X number of product at $Y = $Z. The whole what is the ideal price point to make the most money thing.

    Honestly, I think most people stick with ebooks because it's easier and common. Everybody else sells or gives away an ebook so they do too. You know, following the herd.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by markowe View Post

    No really, I am interested, what trick am I missing?
    Ebooks are faster and easier.

    That's pretty much it.

    Yes, by putting in a little more effort, you can sell a bigger product with a higher price tag - and you should.

    But most people are lazy.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Ebooks are faster and easier.

      That's pretty much it.

      Yes, by putting in a little more effort, you can sell a bigger product with a higher price tag - and you should.

      But most people are lazy.
      You took the words right out of my mouth, Caliban. It wouldn't take too much additional work to package and enhance the ebook material in some other medium such as video, but as you have mentioned people are lazy by nature, and want the instant gratification that comes from quickly writing it as an ebook and then selling it here as a WSO, or elsewhere.

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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    You had just hit one point there, referrals/affiliates.

    And if you have a wide range of product in that particular niche, then having affiliates to promote it, create a good marketing funnels at the backend, treating your affiliate in a good way, you're likely to create a sustainable business in this way, not ONE-HIT kind of ClickBank products.

    This can be done with Amazon too. Jason Fladlien, who's a great IMer, used Kindle to sell his small report which costs $0.99 or $1, and then in the report, it links to ALL of his Kindle reports.

    That way, it could build a return customer based business, and that will RETAIN your customers.

    If you're following some people like Ryan Deiss, LeeMcIntyre, Brendon Burchard, you will get exactly what I meant

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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    I agree...just a little more work and you can not only charge more (which is nice) but if the material is well written, informative and helps people then you can start to build your reputation which further justifies the higher price tag.
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  • Profile picture of the author herriott51
    For many marketers, the "real" money doesn't come from the initial ("front end") sale. They get far more money from the sales that come after that sale; from up-sells and cross-sells and from having a list of buyers to whom they can email again and again with different offers once they've opted-in, to get far better conversion rates than they can from a 1-time visitor.

    So there can be great advantages into getting higher numbers of people into their sales funnel rather than making the most money from the initial transaction ... and one way to do that is to make the first product very affordable. Even better, if the first product also over-delivers, with terrific value, it builds trust, and it's a strong inducement for the buyer to buy more material from the same marketer, later.

    Your ideas re: elevating the value of the material are all solid, and they DO increase the value; but these can be the up-sells to the initial product, or they can be after-sales. So it's a case of "do both," rather than either/or.

    Hope this helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Interesting - I'm as lazy as the next man, perhaps more so! But I really don't think it's all that much extra work to set up an ebook as a course. Each chapter can still explain 'How to stop your dog barking' (actually, you would probably split the book up even more), but you just add 'homework', except you don't call it that! 'Task', 'challenge', something like that - all it really is is a set of tasks for the member to do, or goals to set themselves and lines to fill in with what happened.

    Plus with an autoresponder course, of course you are guaranteed a 100% signup to your list

    Aiden, yes, I have listened to some interviews with Lee McIntyre, really great stuff about how to treat your list, and seems applicable here too - you can't really create a relationship with your customers via a book, which is totally passive. PLUS, people have a tendency not to actually follow the advice when they just read a book. It's different when you draw them in and make them do the stuff - then they'll be happier too because they'll get results!

    Well, I think I would only consider an ebook as a cheap $7 teaser, or whatever - I see people doing that a lot, though many more are just GIVING the ebook away, which seems like a terrible tactic for the most part, but that's another topic, I am no authority on this, just trying to get started in all this and do it right first time
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    • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Interesting - I'm as lazy as the next man, perhaps more so! But I really don't think it's all that much extra work to set up an ebook as a course. Each chapter can still explain 'How to stop your dog barking' (actually, you would probably split the book up even more), but you just add 'homework', except you don't call it that! 'Task', 'challenge', something like that - all it really is is a set of tasks for the member to do, or goals to set themselves and lines to fill in with what happened.

      Plus with an autoresponder course, of course you are guaranteed a 100% signup to your list

      Aiden, yes, I have listened to some interviews with Lee McIntyre, really great stuff about how to treat your list, and seems applicable here too - you can't really create a relationship with your customers via a book, which is totally passive. PLUS, people have a tendency not to actually follow the advice when they just read a book. It's different when you draw them in and make them do the stuff - then they'll be happier too because they'll get results!

      Well, I think I would only consider an ebook as a cheap $7 teaser, or whatever - I see people doing that a lot, though many more are just GIVING the ebook away, which seems like a terrible tactic for the most part, but that's another topic, I am no authority on this, just trying to get started in all this and do it right first time
      What Steve mentioned were valid too.

      If you're really into this, I can talk about this for a whole day, but in a nutshell, it's called the "loss leader" model.

      A lot of people that I know, have huge success with this method.

      Jason Morgan has just replied you with a good point, they do those FREE or LOW PRICED front end offer to get you into their list. Why, and how can they do that? Because they have endless of content supplies!

      Apart from what you called the "homework" or "tasks", there are so many other things that you can give people for value.

      How about doing a real life workshop and talking about "how to make them stop barking"? Record that as a video and then roll it out as a higher ticket product?

      Slowly, if you're doing it the right way, you will be come a so-called expert or amateur pro in a particular niche or topic. And then you will have endless of content to supply your audience with.

      My coach once told me : "Just make sure you have a lot of things to give out, so you can give one of your best on the front-end, and still have a lot to give on the back-end". That was so true.

      Well, in anyway, I hope you're not "lazy" to achieve whatever you want, whether it's in a monetary form or it was just to add another portfolio, or a milestone to your own journey.

      Best wishes.

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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      Interesting - I'm as lazy as the next man, perhaps more so! But I really don't think it's all that much extra work to set up an ebook as a course. Each chapter can still explain 'How to stop your dog barking' (actually, you would probably split the book up even more), but you just add 'homework', except you don't call it that! 'Task', 'challenge', something like that - all it really is is a set of tasks for the member to do, or goals to set themselves and lines to fill in with what happened.

      Plus with an autoresponder course, of course you are guaranteed a 100% signup to your list

      Aiden, yes, I have listened to some interviews with Lee McIntyre, really great stuff about how to treat your list, and seems applicable here too - you can't really create a relationship with your customers via a book, which is totally passive. PLUS, people have a tendency not to actually follow the advice when they just read a book. It's different when you draw them in and make them do the stuff - then they'll be happier too because they'll get results!

      Well, I think I would only consider an ebook as a cheap $7 teaser, or whatever - I see people doing that a lot, though many more are just GIVING the ebook away, which seems like a terrible tactic for the most part, but that's another topic, I am no authority on this, just trying to get started in all this and do it right first time
      While you can package your product quite easily as an autoresponder course, the higher price point that you'll be charging for the subscription is going to require sales copy which is dramatically better as well. Creating the product is just one part of the equation, and one thing you have to remember is that you can have a salesletter which isn't all that great (sometimes it can even be quite crappy) and still have decent conversions on a cheap $7 or under $20 ebook.

      When you're dealing with an autoresponder course that is presumably going to cost over $20 (I'd think much more than that), it's going to require a lot more work on your sales copy. You can't just slap something up in a heartbeat and hope to have good conversions on a $40 or higher product.

      So, as you can see, there'll be more work involved not only in creating the product, but you'll also have to spend a lot more time on the salesletter and probably split-test several different variations in order to optimize conversions, whereas with a cheap $7 product as long as your salesletter isn't pure crap, you'll definitely be able to pick up some sales without trying too hard.

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      But I really don't think it's all that much extra work to set up an ebook as a course.
      It's not, but you don't have to do it, so a lot of people don't.

      I can fire up a camera and record a "talking head" video or a screencast in about five minutes. But it would be better for most people if I did a PowerPoint video plus screencast, so I'd rather do that. Trouble is, I need about six hours to do that. Meanwhile, all the time I'm saying "I need to make that video," my ebook is sitting there making me no money at all.

      Not much more work, really. Would justify a higher price point. Would make my customers happier. But the work needs to be done, and if I don't want to do it and probably won't do it, why sit on the ebook? Put out the ebook, and then when I finish the videos I can email all the customers and say "hey, guess what, I did videos."

      And then I can either ask them for more money to get the videos, or just give them the videos free and raise the price for the next wave of customers. I personally prefer the latter.

      I see people doing that a lot, though many more are just GIVING the ebook away, which seems like a terrible tactic for the most part
      Well, follow it through.

      I give away this ebook, and when you say "gimme!" I say "hey, while you're here, want to buy this $17 product?" - and some of them do.

      I upsell with an offer to buy an additional bundled product for $47 total.

      Then I send them to the download page, where they see unadvertised free bonuses plus banners for two affiliate products related to mine... and they might buy one or both of them. Each of those has an upsell of its own.

      And after about a week on my list, I offer them a discount on another product, which many of them buy at $32.

      So while you see "free ebook," I see "possible $79 sale and up to $80 affiliate commission." That "free" ebook could turn into over $150 in less than a week. Averaging out sales through this funnel across all people who went through it, the average revenue per signup on this is about $12.

      True, more than half of them just take the free ebook and run off, and a good number of those never even confirm on the list. But of the ones who actually buy something, the average sale is about $30.

      And those people go on a different list. So I can tell who they are, and offer them deals the freebie seekers don't get.

      It's not just the sales page that matters. It's the sales funnel behind it.
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      • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Put out the ebook, and then when I finish the videos I can email all the customers and say "hey, guess what, I did videos."

        And then I can either ask them for more money to get the videos, or just give them the videos free and raise the price for the next wave of customers. I personally prefer the latter.
        ARH!!! I found another piece of wise word in here! I'm in the EXACT same mode right now, this just hit my head at the right time!

        Thanks Caliban! Now I know WHY I FAILED for the first 3 years when I was just starting off in the IM world!

        Dang... Thanks for the wise words!

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    though many more are just GIVING the ebook away, which seems like a terrible tactic for the most part
    They give away a product to get them on their list.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    A decent ebook can sell hundreds of copies. Work out hundreds x 17 and then work that out when the ebook proabably only took ten hours to write.

    It also provides leads for upsells and repeat business, so it's not "just" and ebook sale, it part of a marketing framework.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by jazbo View Post

      A decent ebook can sell hundreds of copies. Work out hundreds x 17 and then work that out when the ebook proabably only took ten hours to write.

      It also provides leads for upsells and repeat business, so it's not "just" and ebook sale, it part of a marketing framework.
      The OP also forgets to take into account that selling even a cheap ebook will help build his list of buyers that he can market to over and over again. Of course, having a complete and well thought out sales funnel that starts with the ebook would be even better, but just building a list of targeted buyers of a cheap ebook will yield far greater returns than just the immediate price paid for it.

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      • Profile picture of the author ebooks4u
        I also prefer giving an Ebook away, as a means to build a new list. Once you have people on your list, you can follow up on them with new products and affiliate offers.

        Remember, a targeted opt-in list is much more important than a few $17 Ebook sales.
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        • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
          I also prefer giving an Ebook away, as a means to build a new list. Once you have people on your list, you can follow up on them with new products and affiliate offers.

          Remember, a targeted opt-in list is much more important than a few $17 Ebook sales.
          I would say both are important, but the "few" BUYERS (as opposed to sales) would be golden. If the back-end system system was created correctly, and serving both the FREEBIE seekers and the "few" BUYERS at the same time, I still think that the previous buyer would be much more valuable than those freebie seekers.

          Most importantly, don't just keep on sell without giving out any VALUE to your subs. They are in our list for valuable information and not just to be sold...

          Don't take my words for it, take Allen Says's words for it. Check out the post and you will know what I meant.

          But this is just my personal opinion. I fully understand the saying of not every freebie seekers are created equal.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
    AidenChong have mentioned some very valid points here. Having a good sales funnel is a must in online business. You start with selling 7 dollar report and end with $200 coaching program this is how it works.

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    • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
      Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

      AidenChong have mentioned some very valid points here. Having a good sales funnel is a must in online business. You start with selling 7 dollar report and end with $200 coaching program this is how it works.

      D Maind
      D Maind,

      Thanks for the words, but it doesn't really have to be ended at the $200 coaching program.

      Take Brendon Burchard's expertise as an example, his lowest price point that I can see is FREE, not a $7 dollar report LOL...

      His average pricing for his courses were being sold not less than $1500, I guess.

      Now that's another whole new level of things, and that's how we should POSITION ourselves too. Maybe we have been selling ourselves short for too long time. There are tons of other people craving for the same $7 report that they would have paid for 3 figures outside of the online world - a.k.a the OFFLINE WORLD.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
        Originally Posted by AidenChong View Post

        D Maind,

        Thanks for the words, but it doesn't really have to be ended at the $200 coaching program.

        Take Brendon Burchard's expertise as an example, his lowest price point that I can see is FREE, not a $7 dollar report LOL...

        His average pricing for his courses were being sold not less than $1500, I guess.

        Now that's another whole new level of things, and that's how we should POSITION ourselves too. Maybe we have been selling ourselves short for too long time. There are tons of other people craving for the same $7 report that they would have paid for 3 figures outside of the online world - a.k.a the OFFLINE WORLD.

        Aiden Chong
        Hi Aiden,

        I was just giving an example about how we can multiply our back-end product prices.

        In most of the cases pricing is decided by the spending power of a potential customer.

        I appreciate your efforts to make a point clear. BTW do you have a mentor? Would you mind to share his name?

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        • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
          Originally Posted by Dmaind View Post

          Hi Aiden,

          I was just giving an example about how we can multiply our back-end product prices.

          In most of the cases pricing is decided by the spending power of a potential customer.

          I appreciate your efforts to make a point clear. BTW do you have a mentor? Would you mind to share his name?

          D Maind
          D Maind, nothing wrong with the healthy discussion in this thread, in fact, I love to see everyone's response! That's what make the marketing world wonderful

          I love your point too, and no offense at all (if I gave you the impression that I did, I apologize for that).

          Mentor for my online businesses? Or mentor from a marketing standpoint?

          I learn from a lot of people, by noticing of what they preached and what they are doing. You can PM me and let's not hijack this thread, wonderful discussion going on here.

          Thanks for everyone of those who had contributed in this thread.

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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Thanks for all the insight - great stuff. I can see the logic of having a loss-leader, though not so much of GIVING stuff away. Honestly, I rarely read it when it's free, and of course there's been endless discussion about the type of people we want on our list, freebie-seekers vs. buyers, and I just keep coming back to the thought that I'd rather have 100 buyers than 1000 freebie-hunters, but then again, I see people are using that model very successfully.

    As for gradually increasing the value/price of the product as you build it, I plan to apply that model for a membership site I am building. It's not based around an ebook, it's niche-building software, but though it is still free right now and does 'build the list', I really need to start charging some small amount as development progresses. So - $7, $17, $27, gradually increasing the price as the features get better and better, but always upgrading existing users for free (and making them affiliates at the same time). Seems like the fairest model.

    Anyway, means planning my sales funnel carefully, definitely. As someone pointed out, you need to have plenty of material, you can't blow it all in the free/cheap report!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      I just keep coming back to the thought that I'd rather have 100 buyers than 1000 freebie-hunters, but then again, I see people are using that model very successfully.
      I've actually found that freebie-seekers are worth more than people seem to think - because they are committed enough to download your report, which means on some level they want to hear what you're saying and learn what you're teaching.

      For many of these people, going for the freebie instead of buying your product is just a way to reduce their risk, not to try and get something for nothing. I've seen several people download a freebie, then come back a few hours later and buy three or four products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    For me, the ebook has one purpose: build a relationship with the buyers. I do this by adding them to my buyers' list, and helping them to achieve what they want.

    The ebook is a way to make them enter in my world and discover how they can learn more about the subject.

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