Is it worth promoting products with a very low gravity?

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i mean as low as 1 or under. i doubt it is as this means that the product is in decline and doesnt sell anymore or is just plain dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    I wouldn't waste my time on one that low, but maybe that's just me.
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  • It really depends...some products with low gravity are low simply because they're new and the vendors are "soft launching" - meaning they didn't have a huge push with affiliates right out of the gate. There are some quality products with low gravity that are that way simply because the vendors don't play the Clickbank game well.

    Others (and probably the majority) are that low because they're crap.

    Your best bet is to study the sales page and the product if it's not cost-prohibitive to do so. If the sales page looks good and the product looks good then you could run some tests to see if it converts. If your initial testing is positive and you think you could push it a little higher with your traffic, you could bypass the sales page altogether by direct-linking to the checkout page, meaning you'd take over total control of the sales process yourself.

    I've done this a few times over the past couple of years for products I knew to be good and deliver value but the sales copy just plain stunk so I whipped out a pre-sale and sales page and just direct-linked right to the checkout. That's a lot of time and energy to spend on an affiliate commission, however, so I haven't done it unless I absolutely knew it was worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Not that low usually - but at end the product quality is what counts. Gravity is overrated. Many good products with low gravity out there - but also a lot of ***p with high gravity.
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  • Profile picture of the author gskesavan
    Gravity is nothing but information on how many sales that particular product is making. The reason for low gravity might be:

    - Not too many affiliate promoting the product
    - The product is new
    - The niche is bad
    - The product is terribad

    So first do your niche research and then go for it. From my experience whether or not the product is bad people will buy it if you give it the right pre-sell. The only problem will be refunds

    So I'd say always promote products that have more than 25 gravity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
      i promoted a product of gravity of 5 and made a sale. I guess the products im promoting right now are just outdated or dead. I see some wso`s done in this forum by the owners of these products long ago. i guess its a waste of time, i should start changing of niche i mean a gravity of 1 and under is really really low.
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      • Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar View Post

        i promoted a product of gravity of 5 and made a sale. I guess the products im promoting right now are just outdated or dead. I see some wso`s done in this forum by the owners of these products long ago. i guess its a waste of time, i should start changing of niche i mean a gravity of 1 and under is really really low.

        A gravity of 5 means there's at least a fair amount of activity going on...someone's buying that product and if it really fits your traffic and there's not much else like it, it's worth looking into, IMO.

        I had a product on CB back in 2008 that had a gravity of around 2 to 5 forever. I was limited in my affiliate recruitment for it because the niche was so precise. But the targeted traffic I pushed to it and the few affiliates that had existing traffic pushed to it responded to it.

        You figure a rough average of 5 sales per day for a $97 product was (albeit very roughly) ~$400/day and as a vendor I took 60% and it was worth it to me to keep the product up. And to the affiliates that would have been collecting adsense pennies had I not contacted them to stick my banner up, it was worth it to them as well. One averaged about $100 a day for a while for that.

        So it's all relative - you can't really just look at Gravity and say "that won't sell..." You don't know if the vendor is just awful or inexperienced at recruiting affiliates or not. And let's face it - everyone knows that gravity can be gamed much more easily than Clickbank would have you believe. Probably the most profitable thing CB ever did was make up the arbitrary formula that calculates gravity...and who can blame them? It creates a stir, hype, excitement...almost a contest feel...and that = $$$$.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by Entrepreneur Stream View Post

          A gravity of 5 means there's at least a fair amount of activity going on...someone's buying that product and if it really fits your traffic and there's not much else like it, it's worth looking into, IMO.

          I had a product on CB back in 2008 that had a gravity of around 2 to 5 forever. I was limited in my affiliate recruitment for it because the niche was so precise. But the targeted traffic I pushed to it and the few affiliates that had existing traffic pushed to it responded to it.

          You figure a rough average of 5 sales per day for a $97 product was (albeit very roughly) ~$400/day and as a vendor I took 60% and it was worth it to me to keep the product up. And to the affiliates that would have been collecting adsense pennies had I not contacted them to stick my banner up, it was worth it to them as well. One averaged about $100 a day for a while for that.

          So it's all relative - you can't really just look at Gravity and say "that won't sell..." You don't know if the vendor is just awful or inexperienced at recruiting affiliates or not. And let's face it - everyone knows that gravity can be gamed much more easily than Clickbank would have you believe. Probably the most profitable thing CB ever did was make up the arbitrary formula that calculates gravity...and who can blame them? It creates a stir, hype, excitement...almost a contest feel...and that = $$$$.
          This is so true. Many people tend to concentrate too much on gravity, almost to the exclusion of all other factors, when it comes to selecting products to promote. This is actually a great opportunity for us to do some research on "untapped" products with lower gravity scores that might turn out to be excellent products that were missed by the "herd" of affiliates - these untapped products could be great moneymakers for us, as there is next to no affiliate competition when it comes to promoting them!

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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    I think that the gravity rating is often overrated and people pay too much attention to it, but an extremely low rating below 1 may indicate some issues with the product or offer/sales page. I wouldn't assume anything in advance though, and the first thing I'd do is visit the sales page to see how it looks like, and to determine if it's something that would convert.

    If the offer and sales page look good, then this could be the proverbial "diamond in the rough" that might be worth promoting. I'm not saying that this will always be the case, but it would behoove you to examine some of these low gravity offers more closely as they aren't all necessarily bad, in my opinion.

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  • Profile picture of the author dave147
    Yes you should promote products with a low gravity. If you like the sales page and product, you should give it a promotion run...they could turn out to be "your" best sellers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    But what does a gravity of 1 and under mean? Does the product still sales a bit? what i found amazing lately is that one of the 1 gravity product i promoted i got 15 hoplinks for it ( from search engines) but no sales since i dnt make reviews but just blog posts withy my affiliate link and a big bonus haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author macchiavelli
    My secret to success with clickbank is to steer clear from these high gravity products.

    There are some diamonds to be found in the marketplace, even those with low GR but you have to recognize a great sales letter/video for yourself in order to decide whether or not to promote it.

    High GR product usually have better people running operations behind the scenes. Which as result have less refunds.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bingo123
      I read a great post on here once by Alexa Smith, and if I remember correctly she was saying that she often does this. I can't remember her exact reasoning (Alexa maybe you will see this and clarify it), but it may have been along the lines of the competition could be low. At the end of the day, if the sales page looks good and the visitor is not aware of any gravity score, they could quite easily still buy the product from a low gravity sales page
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
        Originally Posted by Bingo123 View Post

        I read a great post on here once by Alexa Smith, and if I remember correctly she was saying that she often does this. I can't remember her exact reasoning (Alexa maybe you will see this and clarify it), but it may have been along the lines of the competition could be low. At the end of the day, if the sales page looks good and the visitor is not aware of any gravity score, they could quite easily still buy the product from a low gravity sales page
        Low gravity products are often some of the best ones on the market. They just aren't picked up by multiple people so there are only one or two people promoting it. A product with a gravity of around one could still be making an affiliate hundreds of thousands per year.

        In other words: gravity doesn't matter.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

          I didn't know a superaffiliate could generate 10,000 sales, and only get your gravity score to a maximum of 1.0.
          Sure ...

          The 10,000 sales, of course, are theoretical only: it's pretty artificial to envisage that a product could literally have one affiliate only who sells 10,000 copies. But that would indeed be the effect, if it happened. The increase in gravity is the same maximum of 1 point whether s/he sells 10, 100, 1,000 or 10,000 copies of the product.

          And of course the vendor's own sales (i.e. non-affiliate-referred), if any, aren't included in the gravity figure at all.

          Gravity measures the number of affiliates who have each made 1+ sales, and that's all it measures. Ok, it measures it a funny way, with each affiliate's maximum 1-point contribution to the overall score tailing off progressively over an 8-week period, but it still measures the number of affiliates rather than the number of sales.

          Originally Posted by Kevin Williams View Post

          Low gravity products are often some of the best ones on the market. They just aren't picked up by multiple people so there are only one or two people promoting it. A product with a gravity of around one could still be making an affiliate hundreds of thousands per year.

          In other words: gravity doesn't matter.
          Low gravity doesn't matter. Indeed. Low gravity isn't a reason not to promote a product.

          High gravity can be another story. For some of us, high gravity very reasonably and realistically rings some risk/alarm bells. As I've explained in this post, which is where my "illustrative examples" live.

          I'm not suggesting that all high gravity products are going to be hard to convert, of course (much though some people here like persistently to misquote me as having said exactly that!). Simply that the possibility is raised, and that there can be good and specific and valid and logical reasons for that.

          To me, the slightly strange thing about gravity is the number of people who think that gravity represents some sort of arcane formula, the details of which will never be known, when in reality it's always been reasonably well explained and defined (by Clickbank's standards, anyway), and it's just so many people's conclusions about it that are so bizarrely erroneous.

          To be fair, though, Clickbank could of course easily explain it just a little bit better than they do, perhaps even by giving a couple of examples like the ones I've given in some older threads here (as they do - on other pages - on the subject of commission payments).

          Including products I've promoted in the past but don't still promote now, products I've promoted steadily for a long time and products I've started promoting only fairly recently, I've promoted over 25 Clickbank products now, over the last 2 years. In all that time, products with a gravity figure between about 2 and about 7 have consistently been the kindest to me, and products with a gravity figure above about 50 have consistently been the hardest. I accept that many people reading this will, perhaps not unreasonably, comment (even if only to themselves) that 25 is a very small number out of 13,500, and that we're talking about only one person's limited experience, here.

          So - in summary: gravity isn't actually meaningless to me, but I have a great deal more sympathy with and respect for the proposition that one might want totally to ignore it for product-selection purposes than the distorted and extremely misguided perception that one should deliberately aim to select high-gravity products.

          The latter suggestion, to me, is precisely as "logical" and "reasonable" as article marketers using spinning and mass-submission software because they imagine that they'll "avoid a duplicate content penalty and get a better quality backlink from a spun article than they will from a syndicated one". The two situations are, indeed, examples of exactly the same phenomenon so prevalent in the murky world of internet marketing: in both cases, a misguided decision has been made on the basis of a fundamental misapprehension about the "information" underlying it. This is my story and I'm sticking to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
        Originally Posted by Bingo123 View Post

        I read a great post on here once by Alexa Smith, and if I remember correctly she was saying that she often does this. I can't remember her exact reasoning (Alexa maybe you will see this and clarify it), but it may have been along the lines of the competition could be low. At the end of the day, if the sales page looks good and the visitor is not aware of any gravity score, they could quite easily still buy the product from a low gravity sales page
        Alexa's posts are here...

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2994314
        (latest post on Clickbank)

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2495251
        (detailed explanation)

        Her latest post is very interesting, I didn't know a superaffiliate could generate 10,000 sales, and only get your gravity score to a maximum of 1.0.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Gravity is totally meaningless to me, I guess because I don't really understand Clickbank's algorithm. If a product fits one of my niches, I'll buy it and if it checks out ok I'll develop my own SEO optin sales page for it. Most of the time the sales pages and affiliate tools are completely worthless IMO. The more popular products may have excellent promotional tools, but then you've also got lots more competition among other affiliates using these same promotional tools. If a product fits your niche, simply check it out and do your own promotions for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Stefan Vee
          If you consider that ANY super affiliate under one affiliate account has only a "plus 1" influence on any gravity score, then yes, it is worth it. The only thing you will miss is the capturing of ready-to-buy visitors through search engine traffic. Most likely that kind of traffic won't exist for such a low-gravity product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
      Originally Posted by macchiavelli View Post

      My secret to success with clickbank is to steer clear from these high gravity products.

      There are some diamonds to be found in the marketplace, even those with low GR but you have to recognize a great sales letter/video for yourself in order to decide whether or not to promote it.

      High GR product usually have better people running operations behind the scenes. Which as result have less refunds.
      exactly, i can say that i have found some surprises with some low gravity products, im actually impressed! The reason is simple, people will search for the product and you will be almost the only one promoting it! But my question still hasnt been answered but Alexa did answer it a bit. A gravity of 1 could mean that the product still sells? I maybe underrated on the volume of sales of products, i guess a gravity of over 50 means the product still sells hundreds or even thousands per month?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar View Post

        But my question still hasnt been answered but Alexa did answer it a bit. A gravity of 1 could mean that the product still sells?
        It could ... the vendor can be selling any unspecified number, but not many affiliates are selling it actively, anyway. In theory it's possible that one affiliate sells an enormous number (as many as you like), but in reality it's far more likely, with a gravity of 1, that small number of affiliates sell a few and no affiliate sold one at all for a couple of weeks or so.

        But if it's a good product with a sales page that will convert your traffic, it can still be comparatively easy money and you might sell hundreds. This is how I look at it, anyway.

        Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar View Post

        I maybe underrated on the volume of sales of products
        One easily can ... just because gravity doesn't give much of a clue to sales numbers. A product with a gravity of 10 (rather than 1, I mean) can genuinely be selling in very large numbers: this really isn't just an abstruse theoretical point.

        Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar View Post

        i guess a gravity of over 50 means the product still sells hundreds or even thousands per month?
        Certainly hundreds, and it can easily be thousands or even tens of thousands, yes. A product with 50 affiliates who have sold 1,000 each has a gravity of about 50 (if they've all sold one recently, as is highly likely if they're selling big volumes). Realistically, though, a gravity of 50 is perhaps more likely to mean that a couple of hundred affiliates have each sold some smaller, unspecified number, spread out over the 8-week period over which the gravity's measured.

        But it's easily possible that a product with a gravity of 10 has sold far more copies than one with a gravity of 100, which is the point I strongly suspect many affiliates don't altogether realise, as it seems somewhat "counter-intuitive" (i.e. if you wrongly assume a correlation between gravity and sales numbers!).
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  • Profile picture of the author johnlagoudakis
    When I first started out online I used to promote Clickbank products via PPC and direct linking.

    My experience was that low-gravity items *usually* didn't convert anywhere near as well as the higher gravity items did.

    My advice: don't waste your time, money and efforts on low gravity products. There's so many products out there with a gravity of 10 or more. Stick with those and you'll do well
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