Something to Consider When Buying WSOs

Good for you for thinking outside the box, though anything borderline unethical troubles me personally, even if it doesn't technically violate TOS.

It really depends on the product. Some methods won't get saturated fast, because they're general or broad enough that there's a lot of room. Really specific niche solutions to certain specific problems, however, are more zealously guarded.

Plus, there are lots of WSOs that provide templates, tools, and building blocks, not solutions.

Just to be clear, it is not the least bit unethical. In fact the opposite is closer to the truth.

So what is the point of this post if not to brag or tease, other than that it provides nothing useful.

Just my 2 cents!

John

I use the very same service I provide for my customers via my wso's. If something works, it works. Unless you're knocking service providers too. But seriously, I doubt your system is all that to keep it secret. There are not that many tactics to use to generate high serp rankings.

Some people keep more advanced methods to themselves but share a lot of what works. If you've succeeded at something chances are you know what you're doing and you'll be able to enjoy the same success even after a successful wso launch.

The other thing is that a lot of purchasers don't take the necessary action recommended in any wso.

Also a wso will build your brand and your reputation to say the least.

A lot of these massive launches are based on not much at all -- and ultimately what the launcher wants is a quick 300K or so so they can sell it for a motza on flippa.

I think newbies in particular need to see that not all marketers are here to screw them over but are genuinely here to help.

regards

colleen

What do service providers have to do with anything? I'm not "knocking" anything in particular. I haven't been in the Wso forum in years, but I see the headlines.

The point of the post is to get you to ask yourself one simple question. If this works so well, why is he selling it for $7?

Maybe...

- For reasons of his own, the marketer has decided that even though he runs the risk of saturating the market and diluting the effectiveness of the strategy, that he has greater need of a large short-term influx of cash just then.

- Maybe he has decided that the strategy is robust enough that the market WON'T get saturated, nor the effectiveness of the strategy diluted.

- Maybe he has done his own calculations, and decided that even though there's SOME risk of him diluting the effectiveness of the strategy, that what he can earn with it on his own PLUS what he can earn through a WSO will be better for him overall.

- Maybe he has done his own calculations, and decided that the long-term equity to his IM brand-name will be worth MORE to him if he releases a truly great product now and capitalizes on that brand equity LATER, than if he simply milks the strategy himself.

- Maybe he is already personally invested in all the high-value, time-consuming activities he can squeeze into his days, and sees more profit in sharing this one than in letting it sit on the shelf.

- Maybe he just really likes helping others, and if that means he makes a few thousand less bones over the course of his year while also offering a great product to the market, then so be it.

And yeah...

- Maybe it's because it's really just rehashed ages-old junk disguised by a fancy sales pitch, and he's keeping all the good stuff for himself.

It takes all kinds of marketers to create a marketplace. And as always, caveat emptor.

But the warning is worth heeding. Do your homework before you splurge.

The Wso section is coming back to life after the price went up. There was so many crap in that section that i did not look for quite a while. If your method works and can make some fast cash. Great, but is it still providing value to people ?

I'm to darn busy using the same old tried and true solutions to making money. So I guess Curly and I have something in common. But if anyone ask I'll be glad to share them, as they have worked very well for me over a very long time.

Now what is the point of your post or is it just simply you stirring the pot, Bruce? I have to agree with Michael, Dennis and others. What is your point? Oh wait I see it, no I don't, yes I do, but it doesn't tell your secret. Now I get it, nope your solution is still not there.

Ken

The Old Geezer

Great answer, Oxbloom. None of that applies to me but you offer lucid, valid reasons why someone might run a WSO. I think there are many valid and valuable WSOs. I think there are also many crap WSOs, as witnessed by the comments in this forum.

Anyway, as a copywriter, I knew the post would arouse curiosity and create frustration. Unfortunately, if I post, "As yourself why the seller is selling a WSO before you buy it." I wouldn't have gotten near the response. I'd have gotten, "No $hit, Sherlock".

Ok, ya'll have a nice day.

BTW: Interesting thread here. What a concept this guy has, and many warriors are thanking him for it:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...r-newbies.html

It really makes me wonder how so many people missed your point?

I get what you're saying with this post. It's unfortunate that most here can't see past what appears to be bragging, but the point of your post is much deeper than that... and I agree with you 100%.

If something works and it's not already widely known about, the people who know do not share that information. They are busy using that information to make more money. As that information starts to leak out to the masses they put out a product to milk it for every last dollar they can.

Most of the WSO's that have to do with making money are a rehash of old ideas. That is why they are sold for so little.

It's information anybody could find on their own if they spent some time digging through this or any other internet marketing forum.

Nobody is giving away their best secrets for $7 or $19... if it's proven to make $100,000 nobody is going to waste their time selling a WSO about it. Why? They are too busy using that information to make money.

You're example of backlink packs is an excelent example. Four years ago it was super secret arcane knowlege, where does Angela find all these great sites? Now everybody and their monkey is selling a backlink pack and many of those great sites are now useless for backlinking.

Now of course all of the WSO sellers are going to come here, crap on your post and say you're wrong because you are hitting a very deep nerve. A quick look at the signatures of the most vocal anti people tells the whole story.

They don't want you to see the man behind the curtain.

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Ummm... Folks?

Bruce is every bit as capable of being snarky as I am, and he hasn't (beyond the "seeing past your sig file" comment, which is pretty minor.) This, despite some fairly nasty comments directed at him.

He's got a point. I don't think he makes the distinction as well as he's capable of, but he's got a valid point. You don't teach something for $7 if doing so will render it substantially less effective. Any response that ignores that qualifier is missing the point. You could be 100% right and still be talking about something other than what Bruce was saying.

That's not a conversation. It's dueling monologues.


Paul

Missing the point? Sure, IF that point can be heard above the noise.

So...

Is it his repsonsiblity to be understood, or ours to understand? (I say both, though, being a writer myself, I always lean toward it being the former)

Anyway, thanks for clearing that up. The snarkiness was certainly there and may have drowned out the underlying message. And to suggest someone can't be objective because they are selling a WSO is only fair IF that same standard is applied to somebody NOT selling a WSO. After all, how can THEY be objective?

I'm sure you can see it the other way, too. That being that it looks as though he is simply thumbing his nose at the community.

Okay, so as long as the qualifier you mentioned is there, then I agree. Why would you share a method that would cost you money to share it? To be honest, I don't think you would.

But...there are plenty of things that can be shared that do NOT water things down for the seller. Many of those example were pointed out by Oxbloom.

All the best,
Michael

Michael,

He brags. He's a copywriter. But I repeat myself.

I can see folks missing the point the first time around. Bragging or just plain excitement, I don't know. It could reasonably be either. Or both. Or he could have chosen to express the point that way for other reasons. Copywriters are weird birds. Take it from one who is ... err ... knows.

He explained his point clearly and the stuff kept coming. At that point, the question of who is and is not responsible for understanding is easily answered, yes?

I like a good argument as much as anyone, but they're no fun when the various sides are all shouting in different directions.


Paul

Suzanne,

He said, in the original post: That seems rather clearly different than "If it works I wouldn't sell it," which you've interpreted to mean "If it's for sale, it won't work." The latter is clearly not close to what he's been saying.


Paul

How can someone who is not selling a WSO be objective? I have no dog in this fight. I have nothing to gain or lose either way.

Selling Making Money is currently not my game. I come here to help out, ruffle some feathers, and kill some time while occasionally raising Paul Meyer's blood pressure.

I call 'em like I see it, raw and uncensored. I don't have to play nice to bolster my reputation and I'm not interested in becoming a name brand. The real Jason Morgan already has a large enough following.

I simply fight for truth, justice and the American way

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Only Paul seemed to get it..........wow that was fun though as the pack descended......fear in my eyes as I watched miss after miss on a point, tingly feelings feelings up and down my leg. I love watching a good nothing happen , and all clear. For Christmas I am getting everyone a sense of humor. : )

I know exactly where you're coming from Bruce, and you're doing the right thing by keeping your mouth shut about it.

However, I would say this; the fewer people who know that you're even onto something truly unique, the better. Threads like this (regardless of your intentions) will draw attention to you and your actions.. which in itself could be a good thing, but those paying attention might not be doing so for the reasons that you want them to.

Mick,

I have a sneaking suspicion that Bruce is smart enough not to connect the technique with his name in a way anyone reading this is likely to spot.


Paul

The OP made the point of telling people to think about WSOs before buying them and used himself as an example, I honestly do not understand what the big deal is. Y'all need to come over my place and have some martinis with me......

RoD

I don’t get this thread. Since I’m new I appreciate WSOs.
I may not agree with the method but I learn something on everything I purchased. For $7-$20 range I don’t expect to get million dollar ideas but it certainly is cheap education.

NO! Now you've done it.

I'm going to waste the next couple of hours trying to figure this out. I'm just not sure if that was a clue or a red herring.

Somebody needs to write up a WSO on what it is that Bruce refuses to write a WSO about!

Hmm, my take is that Bruce just has some time on his hands and maybe just likes to bait the hook and see how many bites he gets.....he is a good copywriter so he definitely knows how to get to the point.

Possibly he wants some good exposure for his sig......or maybe he just is an a*******.ha ha, just kidding.

I know I've learned a lot on WF. And the thing that has struck me about IM, etc is that there really are a lot of good people who do like to help out.

I myself know that in this wacky world the only way to really be a success is to help others....it does come back to you.

be cool and keep smilin'

Mike

"I like a good argument as much as anyone, but they're no fun when the various sides are all shouting in different directions. "

BEST line I have seen in ages.

@Bruce Wedding -- I respect you and this post. I think some people
were missing the point, and it's interesting how people talk about the
usefulness of a thread...calling it "nothing", when a response proves
opposite.

Sometimes, I'll scan through a WSO thread and read 1 or 2 success
stories followed by a miriad of "complaints".

Complaints about idiots who went and did the method by the book w/
no creative ideas thrown into the mix, now saturating and apparently spamming the method.

Kinda makes you think twice about selling a money maker you know is
in a "limited market". If a flood of people (imitators) flood a limited mar-
ketplace, it can change the way the method works...usually for the
worse.

This screws not only the people who bought and are still probably buy-
ing the course (late in the game), but the original user OF the course.

And for what? They sell it out to make a few bucks selling it for $17.

At what cost? The cost of EVER using the method as profitably as he
did before.

To those who think that it doesn't matter, need to consider that many
people DO try the methods, systems, and WSO's here. Especially if it's
a big PROMISE made of income, very simple for almost anybody to do,
and requires very little "thought" behind execution (i.e. handed to them
on a silver platter -- here are the working campaigns, here is the sales
page, here are my keywords, etc).

The seller does this hopping most times it'll boost the value of the sale
to GET more initial sales. He'll GIVE you what works. Not JUST a work-
ing system for you to tweak and find on your own. He'll give it to you.

And people act. And eventually everyones doing the same thing, and
it ultimately fails. But this is nothing new. It can be said with MANY of
the methods in the WSO (no offense).

They are short-term vehicles for making money, which...if the buyer is
smart, will take the money from profits to build a LONG-term online
business with very little chance of saturation. Listbuilding being a good
example. Direct Mail. Direct Sales.

I don't buy WSO's anymore unless it has something to do with building
a business, and the fact is that many of them have NO focus on helping
anyone do so.

I can even honeslty say that my OWN WSO (in the sig) doesn't focus
on teaching others HOW to build a long-term business. It focuses on
making "quick money", because it's all most warriors seem to care for.

Perhaps a major mindset shift needs to happen here for anyone to stop
and "smell the roses". I did. I stopped chasing all the "cool new tricks"
that will always pop out, and following the proven long-term busienss
models -- and I've been the happiest man in the world since

Bruce - Here are some things you have to consider when keeping a tactic secret. - Will you make more money using the tactic itself, or could you possibly make more selling the tactic?

- Also, how long do you think you can use the tactic before someone else figures it out? Because once someone else figures it out and sells it, chances are good that they'll make more money than you selling the tactic if they get it out there before you can.

I'm just saying that, because I had a similar situation where I sat on a moneymaker. I was going to package it up nicely and sell it after making bank w/ it myself. However, someone else beat me to the punch and banked huge on it - while I was left picking up scraps. - just sayin

Gary, I appreciate your remarks but the reason I thought of this was because I needed it. I'm not concerned about selling it.
As another said, it is true it is untested but its a no brainer. There is now way it doesn't work. Phase 1 works automatically. Phase 2 may not work but either way its a success.