Would you buy a domain name with a big company's name in it?

by gr101
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Hi,
I've found a few domains that are an exact match to products produced by big companies (i.e. yamaha, canon, mitsubishi).

My strategy is to have lots of niche sites and to not put all my efforts into one. So I can afford to get a site hold it for a bit and then have it taken away from me (or asked to take it down).

Do you think it's worth the effort & risk to get a keyword domain site that has a big companie's name in it (i.e. www dot canoneos55od dot com)?
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    Don't do it. Why take the risk of wasting your time on a site that could easily be taken down? I know of at least one person here at WF who has shared their regret over having done that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midw3st
      Would you buy a domain name with a big company's name in it?


      Short answer..... NO!
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  • Profile picture of the author rusty1027
    Hold on let me put my flame retardant suit on... Ok here we go...

    Depending on your marketing strategy, registering a trademarked name can work for you. Back in the day I worked for a company where I ran a large number of rewards sites. it was just before Christmas and we registered the domain names MyFreeDell.com, MyFreeCompaq.com, myFreeGateway.com and MyFreeHP.com - we pointed each one to a win a free laptop site featuring laptops from the each of the manufacturers. Then we ran a series of radio ads. After some testing we scrapped 3 of the sites and went strictly with myFreeDell because it got the lions share of the traffic. Did we get a letter and a phone call from Dell - yup! But if took them 3 months to get around to us. By then we were through the Christmas season, made bank on the campaign and added thousands of names to our list. The nature and structure of a rewards site made it easy for us to redirect everything over to Myfreelaptop.com once Dell finally caught up with us. By that time MyFreeDell.com was generating over $300K per month in revenue.

    I wouldn't recommend this practice for every business model, but there are situations where it works - sometimes for just a short period and sometimes forever. Before you try anything like this, I suggest you research the company and get some info on how they treat copyright infringement. There some companies out there like Verizon who immediately hit you with a lawsuit. It's a dangerous game if you mess with the wrong company. But it also depends on how you ruffle their feathers. There's a big difference between using CanonEOS55.com to sell Canon cameras via Amazon vs putting up a website that says the Canon EOS 55 sucks. In the case of the former, they might not even bother you.

    The bottom line is - It IS a risky proposition and the second you suggest registering a name like this, everybody comes out of the woodwork and says "OMG, NO don't do it". But the truth is... 99.99999% of the companies out there are going to send you a cease and desist letter before they do anything - IF they even do that. So if you can afford to take the site down and move on it can be quite lucrative. The company I worked for did this on a regular basis and they only got a handful of C&D letters over a 2 year period. And we registered hundreds of company and product names.

    OK, I said it - let the games begin!
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    • Profile picture of the author singhavn
      Originally Posted by rusty1027 View Post

      Hold on let me put my flame retardant suit on... Ok here we go...

      Depending on your marketing strategy, registering a trademarked name can work for you. Back in the day I worked for a company where I ran a large number of rewards sites. it was just before Christmas and we registered the domain names MyFreeDell.com, MyFreeCompaq.com, myFreeGateway.com and MyFreeHP.com - we pointed each one to a win a free laptop site featuring laptops from the each of the manufacturers. Then we ran a series of radio ads. After some testing we scrapped 3 of the sites and went strictly with myFreeDell because it got the lions share of the traffic. Did we get a letter and a phone call from Dell - yup! But if took them 3 months to get around to us. By then we were through the Christmas season, made bank on the campaign and added thousands of names to our list. The nature and structure of a rewards site made it easy for us to redirect everything over to Myfreelaptop.com once Dell finally caught up with us. By that time MyFreeDell.com was generating over $300K per month in revenue.

      I wouldn't recommend this practice for every business model, but there are situations where it works - sometimes for just a short period and sometimes forever. Before you try anything like this, I suggest you research the company and get some info on how they treat copyright infringement. There some companies out there like Verizon who immediately hit you with a lawsuit. It's a dangerous game if you mess with the wrong company. But it also depends on how you ruffle their feathers. There's a big difference between using CanonEOS55.com to sell Canon cameras via Amazon vs putting up a website that says the Canon EOS 55 sucks. In the case of the former, they might not even bother you.

      The bottom line is - It IS a risky proposition and the second you suggest registering a name like this, everybody comes out of the woodwork and says "OMG, NO don't do it". But the truth is... 99.99999% of the companies out there are going to send you a cease and desist letter before they do anything - IF they even do that. So if you can afford to take the site down and move on it can be quite lucrative. The company I worked for did this on a regular basis and they only got a handful of C&D letters over a 2 year period. And we registered hundreds of company and product names.

      OK, I said it - let the games begin!

      I think Rusty said it all. If you think you can play around for sometime then go ahead otherwise it's not worth to take the risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethan Ooi
    no...just buy a generic domain name

    if you want to target a specific product with brand name....just post a page of review on that product....then start offpage seo for it...

    in this way, you are able to get into the niche with brand name without losing your domain....
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    NO!!!!

    If you use a Trademarked name it could end up costing you big $$$$
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  • Profile picture of the author skibbz
    I have seen some people do it and successfully pull it off, like for example I have seen ezinearticles.org etc and they have benefited significantly from ezine articles popularity, however this is not advised
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by gr101 View Post

    Do you think it's worth the effort & risk to get a keyword domain site that has a big companie's name in it (i.e. www dot canoneos55od dot com)?
    Only if I had saved up enough money for attorney's fees should they decide to sue you instead of just issuing a cease and desist.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Wiechert
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Only if I had saved up enough money for attorney's fees should they decide to sue you instead of just issuing a cease and desist.
      What about "DellInspironComparison dot com" ? I mean a generic review site refering to a big company´s product line, but not linked to a specific model ?
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Originally Posted by Michael Wiechert View Post

        What about "DellInspironComparison dot com" ? I mean a generic review site refering to a big company´s product line, but not linked to a specific model ?
        Do it and get back to us with your results.

        Rule #1 of successful marketing: test and measure.

        Is there an emoticon for sarcasm?
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    • Profile picture of the author halmo
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Only if I had saved up enough money for attorney's fees should they decide to sue you instead of just issuing a cease and desist.
      What's "enough" money? $187 million that they will sue you for? (Because, there is a chance that your attorneys would not win.)

      But then, I don't know how the different variations in a domain name would play out. It's best to talk to an attorney, and the safest is to stay away from it. If you, yourself, question it, then other (legal) people will too.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      lol... I stupidly went out and registered 3 domain names with ebay in them.

      3 days later I received an email from their legal department warning me not to use them.

      does that answer your questions?
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      • Profile picture of the author saeed13
        Originally Posted by sal64 View Post

        lol... I stupidly went out and registered 3 domain names with ebay in them.

        3 days later I received an email from their legal department warning me not to use them.

        does that answer your questions?
        Hahahaahahah, am glad you actually went out and tried, its amazing how they immediately reacted back with legal letter
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  • Profile picture of the author Bane
    Originally Posted by gr101 View Post

    Hi,
    I've found a few domains that are an exact match to products produced by big companies (i.e. yamaha, canon, mitsubishi).

    My strategy is to have lots of niche sites and to not put all my efforts into one. So I can afford to get a site hold it for a bit and then have it taken away from me (or asked to take it down).

    Do you think it's worth the effort & risk to get a keyword domain site that has a big companie's name in it (i.e. www dot canoneos55od dot com)?
    I would not buy www dot cononeos55od dot com, but I would buy www dot buycanoneos55od dot com.

    Just saying
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomScott
    Unless you have a brother-in-law who's a trademark attorney and doesn't mind spending loads of time fighting corporate attorneys - no way.

    Seriously, most of these names that sell have absolutely no development on them, so they fly under the radar screens of the companies. The moment you start placing any content on them and they get picked up by Google Alerts, you'll be treated to a nice Cease and Desist letter. Can't blame them, it's what I'd do as well.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Wiechert
      Originally Posted by ThomScott View Post

      Unless you have a brother-in-law who's a trademark attorney and doesn't mind spending loads of time fighting corporate attorneys - no way.

      Seriously, most of these names that sell have absolutely no development on them, so they fly under the radar screens of the companies. The moment you start placing any content on them and they get picked up by Google Alerts, you'll be treated to a nice Cease and Desist letter. Can't blame them, it's what I'd do as well.

      All the best,
      Thom

      Thanks Sal and Thom.
      Even if it´s just a a review and sales page, which will increase their sales ?
      I mean I understand that no big or small company will allow you to have any site that harms their image / reputation, but in this case you kind of work for them.
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      • Profile picture of the author sal64
        Originally Posted by Michael Wiechert View Post

        Thanks Sal and Thom.
        Even if it´s just a a review and sales page, which will increase their sales ?
        I mean I understand that no big or small company will allow you to have any site that harms their image / reputation, but in this case you kind of work for them.
        The original question is akin to asking: Is it ok to have unprotected sex with someone who has aids?

        What you're asking is akin to: Is it ok if she promises that she's on the pill.

        Just don't go there dude.
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  • Profile picture of the author carrot
    If a domain name is a major purchase for you, dont do it.
    If you can afford to lose all of them, give it a try. The chances of getting anything beyond a c&d are pretty slim.
    Also do your homework on the brands you are considering, some (such as eBay, mentioned earlier) are very hot on brand protection. Others are not.
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  • Profile picture of the author FalseRiver
    I say why not? You might be out 8 bucks but whoopidee doo. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row before actually developing and launch hard. Worst case scenario you get a CD order.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by FalseRiver View Post

      I say why not? You might be out 8 bucks but whoopidee doo. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row before actually developing and launch hard. Worst case scenario you get a CD order.
      Actually, the worst case scenario is that they sue you. They can if they want to.
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        I would not do it period. Why worry about such things if I don't need to and can survive without such hassles? I would stay away, and invest that energy elsewhere to get positive results.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Actually, the worst case scenario is that they sue you. They can if they want to.
        You are really spot on there.

        As an afterthought, how many of us can afford to really piss someone like eBay off. Even if we are in the right but on questionable ground, if they decide to send their lawyers after us how big is the retainer gonna be for a lawyer to take the case?
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    • Profile picture of the author Meharis
      Originally Posted by FalseRiver View Post

      I say why not? You might be out 8 bucks but whoopidee doo. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row before actually developing and launch hard. Worst case scenario you get a CD order.
      I've seen people chewing razor blades without getting the smallest cut.
      Buying a trademark domain is the equivalent of "chewing razor blades".
      The only difference is I don't think you wont get cut...
      Meharis
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Originally Posted by Michael Wiechert View Post

        Even if it´s just a a review and sales page, which will increase their sales ?
        Or....siphon a portion of traffic of people who intended to search for the main
        source in the first place? It's good if the company agrees with your view, but
        ultimately they'll decide how they want their product or so promoted.

        Originally Posted by Meharis View Post

        The only difference is I don't think you wont get cut...
        Naw, they might get eviscerated. No doubt some companies love to just think
        of that, heh.

        IMHO, it really depends on who one's dealing with. YMMV. (Your Mileage May
        Vary...)
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    • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
      Originally Posted by FalseRiver View Post

      I say why not? You might be out 8 bucks but whoopidee doo. Just make sure you have your ducks in a row before actually developing and launch hard. Worst case scenario you get a CD order.
      Obviously you have not had a 'worst case scenario' thrown at you regarding a Trademarked domain.

      I have and it cost me thousands of $$$ to get it cleared up. Saying the worst case scenario is a CD order - that is the most ridiculous statement I've heard here on Warrior forum in a long time!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author imkazu
    If you want to stay on the safe side, I'd suggest not.
    read couple posts that fb are going after companies in the social space that uses the word face;
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    Almost everything I've seen or read say No, don't do it.

    That said, there is another thread in the forum mentioning Chilling Effects Clearinghouse, a site that tracks C&D notices. This was a new resource to me, and one I found interesting to check out.

    If you are going get a domain with a name that could possibly get taken down, at least do it with some research showing how likely or unlikely you are to get into trouble.

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    • Profile picture of the author JD_Sanders
      I bought ten domains with company names and products. I received one c&d from the attorney of, insisting that I turn over ownership to the company. When I told the attorney that all I was trying to do was sell the company's product, I was told that she had sent the info back to the company. I have never heard from them again and I still own the domain.

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  • Profile picture of the author ecdiscounts
    There are way to get around using trademarked name without needing a lawyer, I have 2 domains with paypal in them and PayPal/eBay attempted to force me to take them down until I sent one email replay back to them and haven't heard from them since.

    There are a few rules you have to follow to avoid cybersquatting laws.
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    • Profile picture of the author zapseo
      Originally Posted by ecdiscounts View Post

      There are way to get around using trademarked name without needing a lawyer, I have 2 domains with paypal in them and PayPal/eBay attempted to force me to take them down until I sent one email replay back to them and haven't heard from them since.

      There are a few rules you have to follow to avoid cybersquatting laws.
      Okay -- I'll bite.
      Though there's prolly not much to chew on ...
      What was in the email "replay".

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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    Definitely not.. spend more time and focus on something else that can actually give you money with such a high risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I would never do this.

    Why would I want to spend a lot of time developing a site so that one day an attorney from the mentioned corporation could swoop in and steal my domain, because it is infringing on his trademark?

    You may get by with doing this. But more likely, you will only get by with it for a few months or years, then all of your hard word will be flushed down the toilet when the mentioned corporation gets a cease-and-desist order, followed by the legal requirements to take your trademark-infringing domain away from you with no recourse on your side available to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I wouldn't do it because, lo and behold, I'm still able to find niches and money available on line without having to risk taking on the legal departments of major trademarked companies.

      There's still lots to be made and this reminds me of some get rich quick scheme, desperately going in for 3 months before they catch up with you. I just don't see the point.

      Actually the worst case scenario is you build a successful $300k a month business like rusty1027 did, then these people sue your head off, take the site and get all the nice money you made back. You wind up on s*** street with nothing....

      ...While I keep making money.

      Rusty1027 The bottom line is - It IS a risky proposition and the second you suggest registering a name like this, everybody comes out of the woodwork and says "OMG, NO don't do it". But the truth is... 99.99999% of the companies out there are going to send you a cease and desist letter before they do anything - IF they even do that.
      and...

      Sheryl Polomka Obviously you have not had a 'worst case scenario' thrown at you regarding a Trademarked domain.

      I have and it cost me thousands of $$$ to get it cleared up. Saying the worst case scenario is a CD order - that is the most ridiculous statement I've heard here on Warrior forum in a long time!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    I've built quite a lot of product-centric sites monetised through AdSense and Amazon, and I admit that in the past I've occasionally bought domains containing brand names, if a particular company has a range of similarly-named products that are all very popular and commanding of good search-volume.

    I wanted the domains to help a little with SEO, and the keywords were just too juicy to pass up. Not a very bright decision, really - and not one I'd recommend making at all.

    It's a bit disconcerting when you're running such a site, and you receive emails from potential/existing customers of that company, asking you for product support or warranty information and such. If they're mistakenly identifying you as being (or having ties to) that company, it is a very bad sign. Companies don't want people "impersonating them" (and this is how they will see it, even if it wasn't your intention), because of their fear that what you say/do could affect their reputation and damage their brand. There are other reasons why they wouldn't like it, too.

    These days my sites are generally built out much larger and with a broader focus, and I've phased out those which were running on domains containing trademarks / brand-names, etc.

    Again, I would not recommend it. You might get away with it for a while, but that will lure you into a false sense of security, and one day - when you least expect it - the inevitable likely will happen: you'll get hit with a take-down notice (and may or may not be asked to transfer the domain registration over to that company), or you may be threatened (or else just outright hit) with legal consequences.

    My advice is do not risk it.
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    • Profile picture of the author It Should Be Easy
      As most people have said I wouldn´t care. It´s just to much headache, and really no gain since they can just steal it back from me.
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