Does anyone have a horse racing website

There are a few systems being sold on clickbank.

You can put an ad in Private Eye classifieds. There are a couple consistantly advertising every fortnight so presumably they're making sales.

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dallus 13 years ago

cheers, i'll check it out
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theemperor

13 years ago

I've seen these type of products for the UK in Clickbank.

I imagine PPC and forum marketing would be a good way to reach this specialist niche, but I have no direct experience. I have purchased similar systems for sports before (arbitrage) and have been happy with the results (but not the stress!). There are a lot of scams out there but I know that not all systems are scams, but like anything it ain't easy money.

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dallus 13 years ago

This is quite easy money, but you can't bet over £50, so it won't make you rich
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Kevin_Hutto

13 years ago

Originally Posted by theemperor

I've seen these type of products for the UK in Clickbank.

I imagine PPC and forum marketing would be a good way to reach this specialist niche, but I have no direct experience. I have purchased similar systems for sports before (arbitrage) and have been happy with the results (but not the stress!). There are a lot of scams out there but I know that not all systems are scams, but like anything it ain't easy money.

I have a horse racing site... You can't advertise it with PPC though. You have to do banner ads.

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getsmartt

13 years ago

Ok excuse me for pointing this out, but all gambling systems are scams (with the possible exception of some card counting systems for blackjack).

There is absolutely no way that a system can accurately predict the outcome of any horserace on a consistent basis,

James

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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by getsmartt

Ok excuse me for pointing this out, but all gambling systems are scams (with the possible exception of some card counting systems for blackjack).

There is absolutely no way that a system can accurately predict the outcome of any horserace on a consistent basis,

James

i am not trying to predict outcome. But i would guarantee that if your not up after the first race you will be 100% guaranteed up after the second

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getsmartt

13 years ago

If this was truly the case you would not be bothering trying to sell a system, you would be at the track everyday raking in the dough, or sitting in a villa somewhere counting your millions.

Originally Posted by dallus

i am not trying to predict outcome. But i would guarantee that if your not up after the first race you will be 100% guaranteed up after the second

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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by getsmartt

If this was truly the case you would not be bothering trying to sell a system, you would be at the track everyday raking in the dough, or sitting in a villa somewhere counting your millions.

As i said before you don't win a fortune and there is 4 races each day for 4 days. I think it will be more profitable selling the system.

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Spot the Ball

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dallus

i am not trying to predict outcome. But i would guarantee that if your not up after the first race you will be 100% guaranteed up after the second

This sounds very much like you are trading both sides of the prices on betfair, something I have good knowledge of and although I havent traded for a few years, there are some big fish who play the betfair markets and who can manipulate the prices on a whim.

The only way to win there is by getting a value price and to do that you need to be pretty good, then you still have to deal with the corruption.

I ran systems for a few years using rating systems that did well untill the bookies and every other smart punter adjusted their prices

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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Spot the Ball

This sounds very much like you are trading both sides of the prices on betfair, something I have good knowledge of and although I havent traded for a few years, there are some big fish who play the betfair markets and who can manipulate the prices on a whim.

The only way to win there is by getting a value price and to do that you need to be pretty good, then you still have to deal with the corruption.

I ran systems for a few years using rating systems that did well untill the bookies and every other smart punter adjusted their prices

You don't have to worry about corruption as you are not stuck to picking only one horse in s race. if the first horse you want has the price manipulated you can bet on another instead.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by dallus

it only goes 2 races maximum before you win. What i'm looking for is someone who is selling these type of products, to either give some advice on the best places to market it or come in on it with me.

You don't need anyone to market it with/for you.

If it's as reliable as that, just use it yourself, protect the information and build your stakes up: you'll be retiring very quickly.

People who have horse-race betting systems that really work don't need "customers".

The other problem is that the prices in the live betting market adjust themselves automatically in response to the volume of money backing/laying them, so as soon as enough people start following the selections, it will become self-defeating anyway as the value and prices shrink. The favourite is the favourite because it's the one everyone's backing, and that's why it's such a short price.

Or so I'm told.

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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

You don't need anyone to market it with/for you.

If it's as reliable as that, just use it yourself, protect the information and build your stakes up: you'll be retiring very quickly.

People who have horse-race betting systems that really work don't need "customers".

The other problem is the prices in the live betting market adjust themselves automatically in response to the volume of money backing/laying them, so as soon as enough people start following the selections, it will become self-defeating anyway as the value and prices shrink. The favourite is the favourite because it's the one everyone's backing, and that's why it's such a short price.

Or so I'm told.

You can't bet over £50 thats the problem, you can't build the stake any higher than that

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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

You don't need anyone to market it with/for you.

If it's as reliable as that, just use it yourself, protect the information and build your stakes up: you'll be retiring very quickly.

People who have horse-race betting systems that really work don't need "customers".

The other problem is that the prices in the live betting market adjust themselves automatically in response to the volume of money backing/laying them, so as soon as enough people start following the selections, it will become self-defeating anyway as the value and prices shrink. The favourite is the favourite because it's the one everyone's backing, and that's why it's such a short price.

Or so I'm told.

It doesn't make any difference if everyone follows because you have a choice of horses in the selected races

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getsmartt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dallus

It doesn't make any difference if everyone follows because you have a choice of horses in the selected races

Now that really doesn't make any sense, if everyone buys the system, and the system tells everyone a different horse to bet on, then someone has to lose.

You keep saying that someone can bet up to 50 Pounds at a time, and that they will make bank at least 50% of the time, yet you say there is no way to make any big money.

If you can't make big money then what is the use of having a system? If I bet the max on 2 races what are you guaranteeing I am going to win?

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SantiSantana

13 years ago

Originally Posted by getsmartt

Now that really doesn't make any sense, if everyone buys the system, and the system tells everyone a different horse to bet on, then someone has to lose.

win?

Not necessarily. Betfair is an exchange, they make money off commissions form the bet winners ratherthn being the bank, so many people there make money betting on results that WILL NOT happen.

SO if there are 8 horses on a race only 1 can win it, you have 7 horses on which you can bet they WON´T win. Of course there is a risk factor involved but it´s perfectly doable ( I did an experimental run on it and saw how it goes).

It can be done with everything, not only horses, but only on betfair as far as I know.

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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by getsmartt

Now that really doesn't make any sense, if everyone buys the system, and the system tells everyone a different horse to bet on, then someone has to lose.

You keep saying that someone can bet up to 50 Pounds at a time, and that they will make bank at least 50% of the time, yet you say there is no way to make any big money.

If you can't make big money then what is the use of having a system? If I bet the max on 2 races what are you guaranteeing I am going to win?

if you win on first race you win £5 if you win on second race you win either £90 or £5 depending on how the race goes

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The Mighty Mariner

13 years ago

Hi
I have several horse racing sites including Horse Racing Systems Review which is currently 7th
on Google for the phrase "horse racing systems". I have to admit
that after many years involved with horse racing systems I am sceptical
about your "guarantee" . However if I can be of any help just contact me.
All the best
Dave Bromley

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theemperor 13 years ago
I work in the industry so I know a fair bit about what systems can work and which don't. Basically legal systems that can work are:
- Arbitrage - betting on each outcome with a different bookie, to find a "sure win" where you make a profit regardless of outcome. People make money doing this. I have.
- Expert Knowledge - extensive learning and knowledge of the sport so you can predict the odds better than the bookies. People make money doing this.
I don't know of any other legal way of consistently making money from gambling, and I am sure there are no other ways.

Arbitrage is limited in how much you can bet and you are competing with 100's of other who are doing the same thing. The knowledge approach requires a lot of hard work. So there is no easy way to make a living from gambling. I think IM is a lot easier, frankly, and IM is no walk in the park

The illegal ways to make money are from inside knowledge or fixing of the event. This could be rigging the event, for example bribing a player to miss a shot. Or placing a bet "live" before the information has been updated e.g. taking advantage in TV delays via satellite. I won't go into this more but don't do this or you'll probably end up in prison eventually.

I give the OP the benefit of the doubt, but whatever he is selling, if it works, it won't be "easy money"!
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  Its not illegal its completely legal.
  
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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Mighty Mariner

Hi
I have several horse racing sites including Horse Racing Systems Review which is currently 7th
on Google for the phrase "horse racing systems". I have to admit
that after many years involved with horse racing systems I am sceptical
about your "guarantee" . However if I can be of any help just contact me.
All the best
Dave Bromley

Hi Dave
I will check out your site, and if its safe to send my system i will send it for you to review.
And you will see that you can't possibly loose.
Thanks for the advice

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dallus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Mighty Mariner

Hi
I have several horse racing sites including Horse Racing Systems Review which is currently 7th
on Google for the phrase "horse racing systems". I have to admit
that after many years involved with horse racing systems I am sceptical
about your "guarantee" . However if I can be of any help just contact me.
All the best
Dave Bromley

Hi dave can you contact me with a way i can get this reviewed by you as i've been on your site and the only contact form puts a post up on your site. I have slightly changed this system now to a 2 stage system. so you start of with the the original system and when you have enough data you slightly change it and then you move in to the mega profits.
and before anyone says if its so good why do you need to sell it. there are 2 reasons why
1) so other people can earn money, its like saying why does someone on warrior forum give advice for.
2) To build up my bank so i can bet more and make more.

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Fraggler

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

If it's as reliable as that, just use it yourself, protect the information and build your stakes up: you'll be retiring very quickly.

People who have horse-race betting systems that really work don't need "customers".

Depending on the critieria it can be quite possible that there aren't enough races in a day (if any) that meet the requirements of a system.

It's the same argument with people selling MMO products...

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dannn

13 years ago

Why is the maximum stake £50, Betfair prerace market can absorb £1000s.

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Adie

13 years ago

I can't pm back as i havn't enough post yet but you can email me
kandw@live.co.uk (no spammers please)

I am not suggesting you to post your email but the next time you do it, do like this: kandw(at)live(dot)co(dot)uk

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Colin Palfrey

13 years ago

There is a flaw in the logic of the people telling the OP he should simply profit from his own system, as you simply don't understand how the industry works.

If you win consistently they ban you. I made a considerable sum everyday for several years, but was constantly on the look out for new betting shops. I found that if I deliberately lost 50% of the races, I would get away with anything up to 6 bets, after that they simply ban you from the shop. Worse still, word quickly gets around to not let you bet in any other shops in the shop chain. Don't assume they don't pass on your picture from the CCTV because they do.

I hired others to lay bets for me and this worked for a while, but in the end I just got sick of the hassle that the lifestyle came with.

Anyway I just thought I would add that by no means is it easy to make a long term living from professional gaming, even if you know how, and you would find it quickly attracts attention from people you would rather hadn't noticed you. Also there are many systems that will turn a profit that don't require picking the winner in the way you would expect, so don't be too quick to assume that everyone that makes money just lays $50 on one horse.

Back to the OP

I think that if your system is easily explained then you would be far better running a paid membership website, where the members could log-in each day and receive your tips. This way you can remain anonymous from the unsavory element that always starts to take notice, while making good money.

Simply give out temporary memberships to the owners of the top betting enthusiast websites, and when they see the system works (assuming it does), offer them a website banner and a reoccurring commission affiliate deal. Provide you are giving people the correct information, you need never reveal your whole system, and have a good reason for the big players to recommend you.

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Anthony Scorza

13 years ago

Give the OP a break guys selling this system is no different to someone selling a WSO on a method they've used to make money with.

Colin's hit several nails squarely on the head here,

You can make a profit purely betting to win but the effort required to find more and more different ways to get your bets accepted if you're winning regularly starts to turn the whole process into hard work.

The betting exchanges allow you to win without having to find the winners of the races and make it theoretically possible to never lose your money, but again you have to be so on the ball that it's really hard work and one mistake can undo a lot of effort so it can become quite stressful.

Dallus, Colin's idea re the paid membership site is an excellent way to go if your system does work.

Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey

There is a flaw in the logic of the people telling the OP he should simply profit from his own system, as you simply don't understand how the industry works.

If you win consistently they ban you. I made a considerable sum everyday for several years, but was constantly on the look out for new betting shops. I found that if I deliberately lost 50% of the races, I would get away with anything up to 6 bets, after that they simply ban you from the shop. Worse still, word quickly gets around to not let you bet in any other shops in the shop chain. Don't assume they don't pass on your picture from the CCTV because they do.

I hired others to lay bets for me and this worked for a while, but in the end I just got sick of the hassle that the lifestyle came with.

Anyway I just thought I would add that by no means is it easy to make a long term living from professional gaming, even if you know how, and you would find it quickly attracts attention from people you would rather hadn't noticed you. Also there are many systems that will turn a profit that don't require picking the winner in the way you would expect, so don't be too quick to assume that everyone that makes money just lays $50 on one horse.

Back to the OP

I think that if your system is easily explained then you would be far better running a paid membership website, where the members could log-in each day and receive your tips. This way you can remain anonymous from the unsavory element that always starts to take notice, while making good money.

Simply give out temporary memberships to the owners of the top betting enthusiast websites, and when they see the system works (assuming it does), offer them a website banner and a reoccurring commission affiliate deal. Provide you are giving people the correct information, you need never reveal your whole system, and have a good reason for the big players to recommend you.

Cheers,
Colin Palfrey

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Palfrey

If you win consistently they ban you.

Not Betfair, and other betting exchanges - that's just bookies.

The huge liquidity and turnover these days are on the exchanges, and they don't ban you because it isn't their money you're winning: they get their commission either way.

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Colin Palfrey

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Not Betfair, and other betting exchanges - that's just bookies.

The huge liquidity and turnover these days are on the exchanges, and they don't ban you because it isn't their money you're winning: they get their commission either way.

Hi Alexa,

I did briefly look into Betfair, but my system either wasn't compatible with it or I just couldn't figure out how to use them. I did try placing bets over the internet with Ladbrokes but my CC was banned very quickly.:rolleyes:

Either way, I am happier with my current plans, and they don't attract any unwanted attention, which the walk-in method did. There are better ways to earn a crust IMHO.

Not to mention that I use to sit there for 3 hours each morning working through spreadsheets, and then I would find that although I had just made it to the bookies in time, they didn't want to take the bets.

I just wanted to let people know that the $50 on number 4 approach isn't the only one. I used to use large combination bets where you could win 6 races out of 8 and still lose. Good money when you got 7, though.

I have no idea what system the OP is using though, and probably just should have kept quite :rolleyes:

I do think the membership idea should be pursued, as long-term it will cause him far less hassle.

Cheers,
Colin Palfrey

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stevmark008

13 years ago

Maybe some warriors. Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of website. Do you like it?

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Headfirst

13 years ago

Having grown up at the track, I learned at a young age that systems are for suckers.

Prove me wrong. Does it work on US tracks? Harness too or just thoroughbred?

Originally Posted by dallus

Hi everyone.
i am a newbie, but i have a UK horse racing system that can not loose, it only goes 2 races maximum before you win. What i'm looking for is someone who is selling these type of products, to either give some advice on the best places to market it or come in on it with me. Its not a scam and the maximum bet you can place is £50 and as low as £2.
I can't pm back as i havn't enough post yet but you can email me
kandw@live.co.uk (no spammers please)
or post info.

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