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Hi,

I am searching partners for promoting my next product How to tame your adrenaline in 2 months: 7 secrets to avoid freezing in a fight. However, it looks like their is not so many people interested in having free contents and freebies. Someone told me it is a big niche. Is it?

Also, if you know someone, it will be very appreciated if you can introduce me .

Thank you
Benoit Tremblay
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    It's actually a huge market with hundreds of niches. Much like other markets like diet or weight loss, you need to drill down and narrow your target. Offering freebies is still a very powerful sales technique, but first you have to identify just who are you trying to sell to.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by BenoitT View Post

    Someone told me it is a big niche.
    It is. But what you want is combat sorts - police, military, hardcore martial artists - in the early stages of training. Two years in, you'll know how to handle adrenal stress response, one way or the other.

    And you have to approach the niche from the side, because partnering with the leaders directly steps on their toes. They've all got their own preferred ASR training already, so they don't much care for yours.

    I'd lean very much toward a teenage market that's struggling with bullies. These are people who don't have access to serious combat training, because that access is controlled by parents who may simply not understand the situation. But you'll have to take that offline somewhat, because this market doesn't have credit cards...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mehak
    i would recommend rather than going for a huge market with a generic content, focus on a smaller market. Eg a specific type of fighting or maybe how to perfect a certain move (whatever specifics of self defense apply)
    then focus on marketing that product using different techniques. This will give you a more responsive market. So the key is to market more about less
    All the best
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Mehak View Post

      focus on a smaller market.
      Precisely how much smaller than "adrenal stress response" do you expect him to get?
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          Target more narrowly by location of the adrenal gland under stress: Pituitary, pineal, thyroid, thymus, pancreas, ovary, testis.
          Those are endocrine glands, not adrenal glands. The adrenal glands sit atop the kidneys. They are also endocrine glands, but adrenal stress response is not about physical glandular activity - it is about the psychological response to physical adrenal stress. The adrenal glands are not being stressed. They are causing the stress. ASR training is about psychological tools and techniques to perform effectively under adrenal stress, not to avoid or control the adrenal stress. Because you can't. You may as well try to avoid or control your oxygen deficit during a marathon.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            OOPS! I deleted my post after I realized the error. You are just way too fast.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              OOPS! I deleted my post after I realized the error.
              It's a common error, actually; "endocrine" sounds less like a descriptive term than "adrenal" does.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    It is a big market, but I think it would help you a great deal to understand why it's a big market, and how to tell what markets are/aren't worth pursuing. It's also goingto be much easier for you to start with something extremely targeted and then grow.
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  • Profile picture of the author BenoitT
    Well I would like to focus on Kenpo only, but I don't know much people on the Internet. I don't contact big website. I'm mainly contacting bloggers.
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  • Profile picture of the author ninjawarrior
    Isn't it possible to get the same adrenal response even in conflicts that do not involve physical confrontation? Such as getting into an argument with someone like a spouse, a customer, or even another forum poster at forums such as this, for example.

    If so, then maybe you can tailor your product to people in general who might want to learn such physical/psychological techniques so that they can control themselves if/when they get into such a situation. Maybe you don't have to limit yourself to just self-defense situations.

    So your target market then becomes virtually anybody who wants to be in better control of themselves in such everyday confrontative situations, eveybody in general really, if my reasoning about adrenaline response occurring even in ordinary situations is valid.

    I kind of agree with Caliban that it could be hard to push the product to anybody who's seriously into the martial arts who's at least two years into it. That's one of the basic things you simply learn in a serious practical study of self-defense. So if you refocus your market such that you're not limited to just martial arts types, you might even be able to sell more because of a bigger potential market.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by ninjawarrior View Post

      Isn't it possible to get the same adrenal response even in conflicts that do not involve physical confrontation?
      Not really. Most people don't have physiological fight or flight responses to verbal conflict. They may experience fear, and if they're mentally ill it may be unreasonable fear (like any other phobia), but no... their bodies will not suddenly void the entire current inventory of adrenaline through their system in a last-ditch effort to help them run faster and hit harder at the expense of higher brain function.
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  • Profile picture of the author BenoitT
    I don't really know how to market it outisde the typical self defense niche. It doesn't appeal to expert but beginner. However, affiliates are going to be kinda hard to find no matter what target I chose. That's my struggling point.
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  • Profile picture of the author BenoitT
    On the other side I forgot to mention I want to be inside the self defense niche for multiple reasons. I am already an expert in that niche and I want to develop my brand that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I'd lean very much toward a teenage market that's struggling with bullies. These are people who don't have access to serious combat training, because that access is controlled by parents who may simply not understand the situation. But you'll have to take that offline somewhat, because this market doesn't have credit cards...
    CD beat me too it.

    Don't target the professional crowd. Using myself as an example (infantry and military police) I had all the training I needed. I'm not going to search online for tactical information. I worked with plenty of professionals who could whoop my butt just fine and an ebook wasn't going make a difference. Military and law enforcement also have their own way of doing things. If I were to show up to combatives showing off my awesome tae kwon do skills... it's a NO GO.

    Same with the martial arts crowd. They are already training so I doubt they are looking for something that isn't related to their art. They should have the whole adrenaline issue solved after their first year.

    You could target the wannabe crowd. The meat head UFC, WWE and mallcops. These guys do tend to buy up every bit of crap they can get their hands on. Cross promote your product with a wall sized Undertaker poster.

    I like what CD suggested, the teenage market struggling with bullies. I do disagree and think these kids do have jobs and debit cards. Have you seen the kid delivering your pizza... he needs this product. Only problem with these kids, they are ahead of all of us when it comes to getting everything for free. Your product, some 16 year old already has a copy and is sharing it with his WOW buddies right now.

    I would take your product and re-purpose it for different markets. Create a website for each audience.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I do disagree and think these kids do have jobs and debit cards.
      I think the main bullying niche is in the 14 to 16 age range, and the availability of jobs to that demographic is seriously limited, thanks to child labour laws. The 16 to 18 range is less limited, and 18+ isn't even really a "teenage" niche anymore, but under 16 is the area I'm thinking needs this sort of thing most.

      Under 14 is an area you can get in massive legal trouble for targeting with "adult" sales and marketing tactics, so I'd just pretend that market doesn't even exist.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustinDupre
    Do Muay Thai! You really show narrow down your target market through some research and tests. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Not really. Most people don't have physiological fight or flight responses to verbal conflict.
    I think what he was referring to was when you're in a heated discussion or argument with someone who you aren't going to throw down with. You still get the increased heart rate n' junk but you're not gonna knock grandma into tomorrow because she doesn't like your new screaming devil skull tattoo.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    I think the main bullying niche is in the 14 to 16 age range, and the availability of jobs to that demographic is seriously limited, thanks to child labour laws. The 16 to 18 range is less limited, and 18+ isn't even really a "teenage" niche anymore, but under 16 is the area I'm thinking needs this sort of thing most.
    You could be right, it's been a few years since I was that age... think big hair and guns n' roses.

    In that case, I'd cross off those kids completely and go after meat heads... Keep You're Cool And Kick Some... and cross promote it with some lovesystems PUA stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author BenoitT
      My target isn't that clear and you're right for that one. The teenager around 15-16 is probably the best market. However, it's hard for them to buy online. Finding that target on the Internet is not a big deal, but how can they pay? Do you know if the typical young adult know how to buy with Paypal?
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  • Profile picture of the author RussRuffino
    My two cents is that a product specifically designed to deal with the adrenal stress response is going to fail because most people don't know what that is.

    Even experienced martial artists don't usually acknowledge that it's a problem until they get into a real street fight and wonder why they can't remember any techniques, have tunnel vision, and their legs are shaking.

    You need a front-end product with more universal appeal. I would take the EXACT SAME product and instead market it as how to deal with FEAR. Just about everyone recognizes that being afraid is a problem in a self-defense situation...almost no one knows about adrenal response.

    Headline should be something like: "Free Video Reveals the #1 Secret to Instant Courage...Even in a Life-Threatening Situation! Sub: Just One Simple Technique Can Ensure That You NEVER Freeze Up in a Self-Defense Situation, Even If You're Held Up at Gun-point."

    Something like that would appeal to EVERYONE, whether they know about adrenal response as such, or not.

    Then you should include stories about how cops/soldiers/people who are highly trained, etc. tend to FREEZE up in real self-defense situations.

    Welcome to Senshido is FILLED with info about this kind of thing. Also Mark MacYoung's products, Sammy Franco, Geoff Thompson...all of them do very well selling reality-based self-defense systems. You should model and improve on their marketing approaches.

    Just my advice.

    R

    Edit: Oh, and if you're smart, you'll buy banner ads and e-mail ads on the mailing lists for CONSERVATIVE news outlets (i.e. drudgereport, news max, world net daily, etc.). They buy this kind of thing more than anyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Personally i think this is a great niche and a great title!

      Best and easy ways to promote your product:

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      Add good amount of keywords to your website which is not having good completion in google.

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      Create targeted backlinks so that you can easily get some good traffic from google.

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      Add good content based on the products. If you are selling watches, add maximum content you can to get good traffic from google .
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