SO, You only need 1 post to have a Sinature file here on the WF now?

13 years ago

It's been that way for a while.

The pattern goes something like this, create new account, add signature links, ask dumb question / leave dumb responses, rinse and repeat.

Should be a six month wait before signatures can be added.

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lesterlim85

13 years ago

I thought as long as they aren't affiliate links it is fine. Maybe I'm wrong all these while. Haha

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John Rogers 13 years ago

Originally Posted by lesterlim85

I thought as long as they aren't affiliate links it is fine. Maybe I'm wrong all these while. Haha

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The point is not coming in here as a new member posting rubbish just for the sig exposure.

The only remedy unfortunately is the report post button.
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Joshua Rigley

Banned 13 years ago

I noticed that too, and I was a little surprised. Doesn't really bother me though.

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Dan C. Rinnert

13 years ago

You make it 10, and they just post 10 one-liners.

Make it a set time, and they'll just set up accounts and bide their time. Or, they'll buy and sell accounts or some such scheme.

Spammers will sometimes jump through a lot of hoops just to avoid doing any real work, which is kind of self-defeating in a way, since it would seem they just end up creating more work for themselves.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Spammers will sometimes jump through a lot of hoops just to avoid doing any real work, which is kind of self-defeating in a way, since it would seem they just end up creating more work for themselves.

It's the principle of the thing. The point isn't not to work, it's not to do the work everyone else tells them to do. They're very willing to work, just so long as it's their own work that they were either not told to do... or told not to do. Preferably the latter.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

It's the principle of the thing. The point isn't not to work, it's not to do the work everyone else tells them to do. They're very willing to work, just so long as it's their own work that they were either not told to do... or told not to do. Preferably the latter.

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CDarklock 13 years ago

Originally Posted by korypearman

You are a very wise man.. Anyone ever tell you that?

Yes, but I try very hard not to listen. If you ever start going around thinking you're wise, whatever wisdom you actually had will disappear and be replaced with self-important crap.
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  If there is a requirement the idiots will post one liners to reach that level.
  
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paulie888

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

It's the principle of the thing. The point isn't not to work, it's not to do the work everyone else tells them to do. They're very willing to work, just so long as it's their own work that they were either not told to do... or told not to do. Preferably the latter.

I think it's pretty well established that they are rebellious and like to go against the grain, and will do anything and everything to thwart the guidelines and rules that have been set in place here. Sometimes I wonder if they realize that they could be doing more work circumventing the rules, than by just toeing the line like the majority of us.

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Paul Myers

13 years ago

Dan,

You make it 10, and they just post 10 one-liners.

Make it a set time, and they'll just set up accounts and bide their time. Or, they'll buy and sell accounts or some such scheme.

Yep. That's the problem with automated distribution of marketing messages. Once you know the pattern you need to follow, it's easy to ruin every channel you can get into.

I took a look at one of the link spammer's posts yesterday, just out of curiosity. Of 200+ posts, he had exactly one that was more than a single short line. It was in badly broken English, while the rest were clearly just pulled from a database of innocuous comments. "Great post. Thanks," "Thanks for the share," "Very helpful info. Thx," etc.

It's amazing just how many of these people there are, and how much damage they can do. And, of course, they'll tell you it's okay, doesn't do any real damage, isn't illegal, etc.

It is fortunate for the folks who do this that I don't make the rules here. If I did, every person who ever admitted to or encouraged link spamming would be immediately and permanently nuked from this site.

Paul

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R Hagel

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

It's amazing just how many of these people there are, and how much damage they can do. And, of course, they'll tell you it's okay, doesn't do any real damage, isn't illegal, etc.

I guess that's the reason it's called a sinature file.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

I guess that's the reason it's called a sinature file.

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Becky's been nippin at the eggnog again.

Now that is a sin.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Becky's been nippin at the eggnog again.

Now that is a sin.

"Again"? I think you meant "still".

That being said, if the rule changed, it changed. I don't think we are being run over with even more spammers now that the requirement has been lifted. If anything, as others have mentioned, it should discourage people from making 10 (or whatever the number would be) meaningless one-liners to meet the requirement.

I don't see that as an indictment of "Allen is giving up", but rather as smart thinking in response to those who are only interested in the backlinks a sig file generates.

This way, in theory, now they can quietly create their sig file, and do nothing more. Whereas before, in theory, they would make 10 posts (in the loosest definition of the term) so they could make their sig...only to never make another post after that.

In fact, I think it would be kind of interesting to see how many people have exactly 10 posts.

Just a thought.

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

"Again"? I think you meant "still".

That being said, if the rule changed, it changed. I don't think we are being run over with even more spammers now that the requirement has been lifted. If anything, as others have mentioned, it should discourage people from making 10 (or whatever the number would be) meaningless one-liners to meet the requirement.

I don't see that as an indictment of "Allen is giving up", but rather as smart thinking in response to those who are only interested in the backlinks a sig file generates.

This way, in theory, now they can quietly create their sig file, and do nothing more. Whereas before, in theory, they would make 10 posts (in the loosest definition of the term) so they could make their sig...only to never make another post after that.

In fact, I think it would be kind of interesting to see how many people have exactly 10 posts.

Just a thought.

All the best,
Michael

Michael, you may very well be right and obviously the only way to know
for certain is to look at the stats, something only the boss can do.

But if we start lifting restrictions and rules, not just at forums, but all over
life, what happens?

Can you imagine if we said, "Heck with the 55 MPH speed limit on the GSP
because nobody follows it. Let's just remove all speed limit laws and let
people drive as fast as they want since they're going to do it anyway."

I know, a little more dangerous than spamming a forum, but if we end up
even with just ONE post by every spammer who says, "Great, we only
need one post now to get our sigs seen" what do you think this place
would look like?

I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it.

I think removing restrictions is just an invitation for people to do more harm
in mass because all it takes is 10,000 spammers making one post to
seriously damage the usefulness of this place.

Naturally, this is just my opinion and I am in no way saying it is the
correct one.

But it is the way I see it...for whatever that's worth.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Michael, you may very well be right and obviously the only way to know
for certain is to look at the stats, something only the boss can do.

But if we start lifting restrictions and rules, not just at forums, but all over
life, what happens?

Can you imagine if we said, "Heck with the 55 MPH speed limit on the GSP
because nobody follows it. Let's just remove all speed limit laws and let
people drive as fast as they want since they're going to do it anyway."

I know, a little more dangerous than spamming a forum, but if we end up
even with just ONE post by every spammer who says, "Great, we only
need one post now to get our sigs seen" what do you think this place
would look like?

I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it.

I think removing restrictions is just an invitation for people to do more harm
in mass because all it takes is 10,000 spammers making one post to
seriously damage the usefulness of this place.

Naturally, this is just my opinion and I am in no way saying it is the
correct one.

But it is the way I see it...for whatever that's worth.

Hi Steven,

I understand what you're saying, and from that point of view, I agree.

However, as far as your analogy goes, it doesn't quite fit with the way I look at it. Had the initial requirement been 100 posts, then it would make more sense. But as it was 10 posts, that would be more like raising the speed limit to 65, not removing it all together.

Anyway, I just don't think it's a big deal to lower the requirement by 10 posts. Besides, Allen knows what he's doing, which you sort of alluded to when you mentioned he has access to the stats.

All the best,
Michael

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garyv

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Dan,Yep. That's the problem with automated distribution of marketing messages. Once you know the pattern you need to follow, it's easy to ruin every channel you can get into.

I took a look at one of the link spammer's posts yesterday, just out of curiosity. Of 200+ posts, he had exactly one that was more than a single short line. It was in badly broken English, while the rest were clearly just pulled from a database of innocuous comments. "Great post. Thanks," "Thanks for the share," "Very helpful info. Thx," etc.

It's amazing just how many of these people there are, and how much damage they can do. And, of course, they'll tell you it's okay, doesn't do any real damage, isn't illegal, etc.

It is fortunate for the folks who do this that I don't make the rules here. If I did, every person who ever admitted to or encouraged link spamming would be immediately and permanently nuked from this site.

Paul

I agree 100% - There are actually people in here, not only preaching it, but selling the tools to do it. And then on top of that they'll have an entire thread of people rooting them on. I'd like to see that kind of trash nuked as well. It creates an unfair amount of work for forum/blog owners.

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J Bold

13 years ago

Hey, great post man.

I know a lot about this subject, thanks for sharing.

Great info, thanks.

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Dan C. Rinnert 13 years ago

Originally Posted by redicelander

Hey, great post man.

I know a lot about this subject, thanks for sharing.

Great info, thanks.

Nice post. I disagree entirely. We can communicate this theme here or in PM.
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infomum

13 years ago

Unfortunately the people who post one liners just to get their sig with links seen give the rest of us new members a bad name .. So I am all for sig file restrictions for new members.

I came here to learn, to contribute and to build networks. Unfortunately I am lumped with the spammers and my posts are viewed with suspicion until I prove myself, even though I dont have a link in my sig - it's just a line I like.

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Alfred Shelver

13 years ago

You really will not be in this forum, I think most on here give people a chance. If you had a sig file but were asking questions or answering them with the right intention many will have no problem.

It is pretty easy to spot the intentional ones, so infomum I do not see you as spammer.... welcome

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Unfortunately I am lumped with the spammers and my posts are viewed with suspicion until I prove myself, even though I dont have a link in my sig - it's just a line I like.

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smartlazy

Banned 13 years ago

No amount of restrictions will discourage spammers. They are as tough and resilient as heck. I think the best way to discourage spammers is to make those sig links no-follow.

Spammers will always try to look for loopholes. It's a catch and mouse game.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by smartlazy

No amount of restrictions will discourage spammers. They are as tough and resilient as heck. I think the best way to discourage spammers is to make those sig links no-follow.

Spammers will always try to look for loopholes. It's a catch and mouse game.

But then why punish the vast majority of people who contribute for the sake of contributing?

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jasonmorgan

13 years ago

I took a look at one of the link spammer's posts yesterday, just out of curiosity. Of 200+ posts, he had exactly one that was more than a single short line. It was in badly broken English, while the rest were clearly just pulled from a database of innocuous comments. "Great post. Thanks," "Thanks for the share," "Very helpful info. Thx," etc.

There is a tool for this? I am so out of the spammer loop. Being white hat is so dull.

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rosetrees 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

Being white hat is so dull.

I know that was meant with sarcasm , but ----------- being white hat is way more fun. I wonder how many long term working relationships and/or friends your average brain dead spamming moron makes online?

I "meet" people from all round the world - Skype is my friend.
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jasonmorgan

13 years ago

I know that was meant with sarcasm , but ----------- being white hat is way more fun. I wonder how many long term working relationships and/or friends your average brain dead spamming moron makes online?

Sarcasm, not at all.

Does it make you feel good to throw out insults? Is that the best you can do?

I "meet" people from all round the world - Skype is my friend.

What does that even mean?

If you want to throw stones....

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Hey great post...um....who started this thread anyway?

All kidding aside, I wasn't aware of any rules or change of rules as far as
how many posts you needed to have a sig file.

I guess my question is this.

If it was 10 and now there is no longer a requirement, why was it changed?

It would seem to me this is almost like tossing your hands up in the air
and saying, "I give up...I can't win with these SOBs."

I agree with Paul. If I made the rules here, I'd nuke every SOB on the planet
who spammed forums.

Is there anybody who can shed some light on why the requirement was
lifted, if indeed there was one to begin with?

Because like I said, I don't really keep up with those things.

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Steve Wells

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Hey great post...um....who started this thread anyway?

All kidding aside, I wasn't aware of any rules or change of rules as far as
how many posts you needed to have a sig file.

I guess my question is this.

If it was 10 and now there is no longer a requirement, why was it changed?

It would seem to me this is almost like tossing your hands up in the air
and saying, "I give up...I can't win with these SOBs."

I agree with Paul. If I made the rules here, I'd nuke every SOB on the planet
who spammed forums.

Is there anybody who can shed some light on why the requirement was
lifted, if indeed there was one to begin with?

Because like I said, I don't really keep up with those things.

When I joined, last year there was a requirement, I forgot what it was, but I remember there being one for sure.

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

yawn....who cares? Time to focus on more important things such as getting back to work and making money.

Chris

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Steven Wagenheim

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

yawn....who cares? Time to focus on more important things such as getting back to work and making money.

Chris

Unfortunately, it's that kind of apathy that allows forums to be overrun.
Members don't care and the spammers take over, making the forum useless
to the people who want to use it for information.

Thank you for contributing to the problem by not being part of the solution.

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Unfortunately, it's that kind of apathy that allows forums to be overrun.
Members don't care and the spammers take over, making the forum useless
to the people who want to use it for information.

Thank you for contributing to the problem by not being part of the solution.

Steven, in the time it took you to post this reply, you could have just hit the report button like I and most others do when they spot these kinds of people and posts. Instead of creating threads and taking up bandwidth complaining about them.

Respectfully
Chris

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inter123 13 years ago

It is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. This is an Internet forum and a big part of it is SEO. People post their links to aid Search Engine Efforts and in some ways it is a bit sad if folks could not post links to help them with the very things discussed here...But then the other side of the coin is that people abuse the resources open to them. Could not care less but i would have though this place would be more tolerent then some non IM forums.
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jasonmorgan

13 years ago

The easy solution, and probably the best...

Only allow war room members to have a signature.

It would solve the problem in a day and eliminate bogus accounts and spammers. This is coming from the guy who is not a war room member.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

The easy solution, and probably the best...

Only allow war room members to have a signature.

It would solve the problem in a day and eliminate bogus accounts and spammers. This is coming from the guy who is not a war room member.

Hi Jason,

That may work for some, but a lot of spammers would still be willing to spend the $37. However, I do think it would put a noticeable dent in the problem.

All the best,
Michael

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sbucciarel

Banned 13 years ago

It doesn't bother me that you can have a sig file right away. I spot the one liner wonders and look at their profile and click on the link to view all their posts and if it is a trend that they are posting nothing but one liners, I report them. It only takes a little time to do that and it helps to rid the place of the pests.

I think what bothers me more is the one post WSOs. I would never buy from someone with so few posts and someone who has not bothered to contribute in the forum and think there should be a slightly higher standard. Of course, there's still the problem of posting just to meet the requirements, so I just don't buy from those that have not done the building reputation work before trying to sell a WSO.

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Efryll

13 years ago

great thing mods are working hard to moderate spams. and i agree with that only war room member can put links on signatures!

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Hi Allen/Warriors,

I just witnessed a reply by a couple of new warriors(not anything usable)that
were sporting Signatures. Each had less than 10 posts under their belt. Hell
one had only one post and it was the post I read but they had a Signature
with two site links in it???

No...oh God no....not....a signature. Please mods, do something QUICK! I hear this could cost Google billions, and put everyone out of business.

Just wanted to know if anyone one else had noticed this situation or if I
need to take a break?

No, I didn't notice. I actually have a life, if just barely.

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King Shiloh

Banned 13 years ago

Imagine what happens if all our signatures are turned off.

I think Allen has to try that for just a day or two and see what happens to spammers. Maybe they will all leave before the end of 24 hours.

Let my, our will be done - sorry... let Allen's will be done, after all it's his forum.

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Dan C. Rinnert

13 years ago

Originally Posted by King Shiloh

Imagine what happens if all our signatures are turned off.

I think Allen has to try that for just a day or two and see what happens to spammers. Maybe they will all leave before the end of 24 hours.

They won't leave. They'll find a workaround. I imagine you'd be seeing a lot more "please review my website" type posts.

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King Shiloh Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

They won't leave. They'll find a workaround. I imagine you'd be seeing a lot more "please review my website" type posts.

This goes to show that there's no perfect human system.
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tryinhere

13 years ago

A lot of people seem to pointing the finger at the poster / often and mostly 99% of the time the person posting is nothing more than an automated name generated by a post bot that covers multiple forums, so first look at the people who peddle that stuff, second the person who operates these so called multiple identities is often just a paid forum / Sig link poster for these so callers seo services that offer 1000 posts for xyz $

so that's where the problems starts not with the poor person sitting there with his little post bot and 1000 identities across multiple forums being paid peanuts per spam bot post, but with the people who offer the services to post this crap.

most companies who order these packages / probably have no idea there info is being spammed across so many forums using bots and cheap labor, nor how in effective it is.

So while one side pays for the stuff to go in, the forum wears the costs of bringing it out, the only winner the person peddling this crap service.

and not starting a war as some of the people offering this service may be legit.

next forget about the nice post or small reply, these spammers have all gone high tech, they know you look for that little **** stuff / replies so it is very well done these days and hard to spot, the fleas are climbing all over this place daily, if you could not see at least half a dozen or more on any given day (and i don't even look for them) it would be rare.

look at some of the incoherent english yet they own some magical big site in their Sig ?

yup sure thing buddy - or how do i set up seo as a leader question guess what a Sig file with, yes get my seo service here today.

todays spammer is just as smart as the people in the sections here, they are mastering the art and are good.

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