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I agree that it's very, very hard to make $20,000 (let alone $10,000) in the first few months marketing online. In fact, it's very near impossible unless you create an excellent product and market it like crazy. Really, that's all it comes down to: having an excellent product and sending tons of targeted traffic to it. The more traffic you get, the better the conversion rates are, the more money you'll make. But I say, if anyone wants to set a target of making $10,000 or $20,000 within 30 days, then I say, go for it. But you must be working at it full-time to have any chance of achieving it. Having an 'insane' goal is better than setting a mediocre goal or having no goal at all. In fact, if you don't have any goal now, you are almost certain to fail! So go and set a goal a now. It can be anything, just start setting a goal now. Write it on a piece of paper and paste it near your computer where you can see it. It will motivate and energize you and spur you to take massive action towards your goals. Having a crazy goal forces you to think differently and on another level. You think in terms of larger numbers (10,000 visitors instead of 100 visitors, 500 sales instead of 5 sales) and work differently. Instead of wasting time, you suddenly become ultra productive. So no matter what happens, invariably you will produce more results and you will learn more. So if anyone wants to make $10,000 or $20,000 a month, I say go for it. You and your business will benefit and you will go to places you never went before. I hope this post spurs you to take action and start achieving the success that you deserve and should have! Fabian |
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Well, I think for a beginner marketer it is impossible. Simple. However, when you know how to do research properly, when you know how to find a desperate niche with $$$ and you know/can easily reach them - the sky is the limit. Let's say you create a home study course at $2,000 - you only need 10 buyers - and there is your $20k... all you need is a desperate crowd that has money to spend and an irresistible offer... |
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I agree that it's important to set goals, and setting a 'super goal' if you like is definately worthwhile, but I'm a firm believer in also setting smaller, realistically achievable goals to get you one your way. But then, it's really what works for you I guess. Tim | |
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20K per month for newbie?? No, not possible! It doesn't matter what they say. 20k a month for someone who has been in the business for a while? Yes! For sure! Most of the times it's not about what they want to acheive, but what they actually do acheive, everyone wants da bucks, but few work for it. There are many, many streams of income, It's just a matter of learning them.... ![]() Cheech,,Did I give a secret away.. ![]() Jus my 2cents... |
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You could also buy 10 websites that make $2,000 a month. Or 25 websites that make $800.00 per month. Or 50 websites that make $400.00 per month. |
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There are two schools of thought on goal setting. One suggest to set the most impossible-sounding goal and then go for it. I personally think this is a recipe for failure and probably why so many people give up on the process. The other suggests setting up small achievable goals that you gradually build on and then constantly widen your horizons with each success. This not only creates a sense of progress but also instills the discipline necessary to achieve real success. |
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My goal is to have financial freedom, which I realize will take a few years, but in the pursuit of that goal, I learned a lot from this forum. So maybe, the real objective is to pick up as many skills and knowledge as possible and implement them for best results, the rest - namely the $$$$ - will duly roll in. $20k/mth is not impossible, it can be done, but everyone has to pay their dues first and learn from mistakes.
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geomat makes a great point. You can set a NFFS (No failure first step) like making $1. Once achieved you can move to $10 or $100 etc.... |
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I believe anyone who is aiming to reach this goal is going to have to take a few calculated risks, either with spending money or with spending lots of time and being aggressive in marketing. It is worth noting that most offline companies start off on a deficit through business loans or start-up capital, but have the potential for fast growth because of the capital available. Fabian | |
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Extremely possible. The right product, the right marketing = ???? |
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The question is...can one do both? Set a crazy, big goal as a long-term goal but set small monthly, weekly, and daily goals to get there? Setting a big 'stretch goal' (by the way, this term is coined by Jack Welch and further taught by the likes of Tony Robbins, not me!) makes you think outside the box to get greater results, so why not do it? The idea isn't to punish oneself for not achieving these goals, but to get the energy and ideas to achieve greater things. Fabian | |
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Ryda, I agree, I have been learning from this forum and through conferences, trips, ebooks, you know the routine - and there is a Boot Camp of fire you have to walk through to find your own particular passion. I know that you can make money with a subject matter that you are interested in, but I believe the real money like 20K a month would be from something you already have knowledge about and expertise you learn from a mentor who is already doing it successfully. Thanks for your input.
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This is definatly possible,but your site needs to have a very high alexa rank. some where between a hundred thousand,and easily convertable leads and sales. |
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For those of you that are yelling from the rooftops IMPOSSIBLE, I'd like to bring your attention to Exhibit A Fellow Warrior Lee McIntyre In his first ever month not knowing jack except for what he learned here, he took MASSIVE ACTION and made over $7K Fine, that's not $10K or $20K, but I think he hit the $20K mark in his 3rd or 4th month. He's practically been a full time marketer since he started and he's still going strong. The one thing I notice about his success was that he created products and built a list and moved SUPER FAST. So, don't say it's impossible when one of our own has done it. Cheers, Jason |
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Setting the "wild goal (20K)" is fine for the goal to shoot for. And yes it may get you to "thinking out of the box". But then when the ideas come, each of those will need to have short term goals to reach success with them, which in turn should lead to hitting the "wild goal". Most of the time I believe it's called a business plan. Ken The Old Geezer |
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THANK YOU to Jason and Ken for putting perspective into this thread. Not only is it possible to make $20K per month, it's predictable if you have a solid plan for it.....and if you remove the words "impossible" and "can't" from your vocabulary. As Jason said, Lee did $7K in a few months in the IM niche, I did $12K within my first couple months in the real estate investing niche, etc. Then we built from there. In other words there are certain folks - though not a majority - who chose that it WAS possible and we did it. How? We took our own skills and genius and found a match for them out in the marketplace. We chose a specific market and honed in on their verified *wants* - what they were already *buying*. Using this information we created a high-value, high-demand first product and used relationships (JV's and affiliate partners) to dramatically increase the exposure. There's no secret as to why ultra successful marketers are successful. They're showing you how to do it at every moment - all you have to do is duplicate the main components for yourself. Unfortunately most people are too concerned with making $50 or $100 today to see that they could make $5K or $10K in the next 30 days - and do so with less work each day. Ken Preuss |
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| I think Lee offers his 20k per month story both on this forum...and at his website as an opt-in giveaway. Lee is an outstanding marketer, and his newsletter is one of the 4 that comes into my inbox that I actually read for myself regularly (out of hundreds). http://lee-mcintyre.com |
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Definately possible to earn it as a one off, but a consistent $20,000 is much more difficult. You would need to create a membership site where people pay monthly OR create a product so good that you are able to charge $97 for it and have 200 people buy it each month. You would need: a decent sales page, a product worthy of its price and some serious traffic hitting your site. The above "requirements" unfortunatley don't come easily for a beginner. The only reason I'm good at what I do is because I have failed so many times and learned from my mistakes. Which I believe is the same for many other successful marketers. To fail and start over takes time and willpower. I hate to add a bit of negativity to the thread, because it IS right and encouraged to set goals... however beginners must be careful not to set unachievable goals, lose hope and give up. It is much, MUCH better to set more realistic goals (say $1000 per month) and then once one goal is achieved, you build confidence and are then in the right frame of mind to set a bigger goal. Daniel |
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![]() To those saying that reaching $20,000 a month in just a few short months isn't possible then I have to say that just over a year ago I would have agreed with you. I only started achieving online success when I started BELIEVING it could be done. A year ago $20,000 a month seemed impossible. Fast forward twelve months and if I average $20,000 a month in 2009 I'll be absolutely gutted! I could talk for weeks about the technical aspects of marketing but I firmly believe that my success came as a result of a change in mindset and a desire to take massive action. When I was sat at home thinking everything was a scam, or that it wasn't possible, I couldn't find the motivation to do the things that needed to be done. When I started to believe that $20,000 a month COULD be done I started working like a beast! Now I believe that $100,000 a month can be achieved and in the next 12 months I want to earn $1,000,000 USD across three different niches. Can it be done? YES! Will it be done? I have no idea BUT I do know that I'll work like a beast and give it my all. Once you change your mindset and start to believe in the impossible you'll suddently find the courage and desire to do what needs to be done to make your dreams come true. No matter what it takes. I hope this helps! ![]() Lee McIntyre | |
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Let's not forget that there are plenty of other ways to make money besides selling information on how to do so. In fact, I'd say its much easier to build websites and targeted lists than enter the highly competitive IM market especially if you're a newb. Let's say you make a product that does indeed earn $20k in sales. Remember that you still have to deal with refunds, complaints, technical issues, affiliates, and endless questions. In contrast, lets say you earn that same $20k from a handful of niche websites where you're not selling anything but other peoples stuff. Chances are, you won't have to deal with any of the above. Who doesn't like passive income? Just remember that there are a million ways to make a fortune on the internet. Don't limit yourself to just one idea! | |
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yes it's very possible , but if you are only doing article marketing it will take you a long time my first month i did 800$ with article marketing promoting my info product which i did invest in PPC and made nearly 2k (and spent 1700$ in adwords :d ) but after i optimized my website and eliminate some keywords etc ... i managed to hit the 10k (profit) goal after 4 months (with 2 products). Article marketing is a powerful thing but it takes a lot of time (that's why i outsource it ) . yes it's possible but remember that there is other ways to make money online (ppc , media buy ,....) so either trade money for time or time for money |
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I believe in doing both. Setting a long term super goal and then set smaller realistic goals per week to keep myself motivated. I believe it is possible. Just go all out full force but you must know what you are doing.. |
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Thank you for the great post Fabian! There are a bunch of great insights in this post. But, like Ken said it is in your mind. When you adopt the mindset that you can't... well you cannot. But, when you adopt the mindset that you can... you absolutely can. You need to quit thinking about what is impossible and start looking at what is possible. Once you do that you will start seeing much greater results. Quote:
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so many people underestimate the power of residual income, all I promote are residual income affiliate programs. I am still getting paid for sales I made 9 months ago.
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Sure it's possible - what is more interesting is HOW. Certainly discovering rabid demand within your marketplace and putting together a quality, medium to high priced info product and leveraging JV's is one way it **could** be done. In my experience $20K/month should be a target after 3-months rather than 1-month, simply because putting everything in place, with little or no knowledge/experience will take a little longer. As a 2-3 month goal, if you work hard, and are good at locating and leveraging partners, then it is completely possible. Jeff |
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Hi, lazava, that really depends on your skills and what you know how to do, Example: article marketing, ppc, cpa, and own product are marketing source of income, but you can offer services to people, earn income by selling spots on your page, earn income by designing a better looking site for someone, earn income by helping someone grow their site..Example: I belong to other forums and I have newbies offering me money just to review there website and advise them on what they should do to make their site convert sales and grow there traffic, so I look at there site and advise them on the steps and guide them. There are alot of others ways besides the one's I mentioned, but it depends on what you know how to do. | |
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now when i hear there are "thousands" of ways to make money online surely we can come up with more than the ones mentioned they are the ones im interested in hearing about and im sure many others are as well | |
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It's possible if you want it enough. You need: * Desire * Determination * Focus Others have done it; anyone on this forum can do it. $20K a month is not brain surgery, nor is it putting a man on the moon. If you believe it's not possible for YOU, find out why. Take a pen and paper, and set a timer for 10 minutes. Write: "I cannot, and never will be able to make $20,000 a month from Internet marketing, because__________" Keep writing, until the timer goes off. The key here is just to keep writing -- once you know what your disabling beliefs are, that may be all that's necessary. Once they're on paper, you can challenge them -- you can't challenge them if they're unconscious. This may be all you need to do to discover that yes, YOU can set a goal of $20K a month... and achieve it. Re the pen and paper: you can type of course, but turn off your computer monitor. Keep your fingers clicking the keyboard. Your aim is to get past your censor and discover those beliefs which are standing in your way. This technique for uncovering false beliefs works. I use it, and I've shown it to others and it's worked for them too. try it. :-) Come back in six months and let us know that you've had a $20K month... Cheers Angela |
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For every newbie it so difficult to earn every cent. But when some one got the inside secrets then he could manage to get desireable income.
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| There is no big inside secret. The only secret in IM is that it takes some knowledge and effort. This is what most people don't want to believe and that is why lunatics sign up for false promise sales letters every day.....
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I know that some complete beginners did very well with Jeff Walker's PLF. So it's possible. Franck. |
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You're forgetting one simple point- you do not even need to be a good marketer to make this happen. If you're an expert (authority ) in you're field then you can JV with a good marketer and create the cash that way. Theres many ways a newbie could do it, but... Realistically speaking, even 20k a month on average is high, so a newbie doing it is going to be difficult, but just not impossible. You might need to check out the self improvement forums Alex and get that mindset in check, my friend ![]() To make that really work - you'll have to be (or perceived ) to be an authority in your field. And what you say is good- as selling high priced info is where the money is made- with home study courses, online seminars, tele-seminars, ebooks, coaching, consulting.... The sky is the limit! | |
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Telling a newbie he shouldn't shoot for $20,000 a month is like telling your child he shouldn't try to be an astronaut. It's dream killing.
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I know people online who are making $50,000 plus. How do they do this? Not only affiliate programs but they also have a few and successful online network marketing businesses that they are running. It is pretty amazing when someone who is new to the internet, can make that much money per month within 2-4 years online. It's not me but I know some people who are making these amounts. Tal |
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I'd like to chew and swallow first rather than gulping mouth full and choke ... There is no wrong in setting up a goal. But be watchful it shouldn't be overwhelming task for your time and other important things in life. . |
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So in all those paragraphs what you are basically saying is if you want to make 20K, go for it. Killer post! |
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Excellent point! Marketing is the largest leverage in a business Networking can leverage people and resources. We are in the warriorforum.com to network because we know its powerful. And this is a forum about learning marketing... You don't need to be in Network Marketing to use the principles- but network marketing is extremely powerful for creating an income as it uses the big leverages of marketing and networking to make money. Using network marketing (and networking and marketing in general) on the internet makes it MUCH more powerful. We are living in the best times right now for personal development and wealth. Personal Mastery, Influence, Marketing, and Networking are so important to your success, you should study all of them in depth... | |
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I don't think that it is posible for anyone to generate that kind of money right from the begining, (I'm talking about in the first few months of their getting into internet marketing). I do however believe it is possible after you have learned what to do and how to do it. A good step by step proven plan and FOCUS is a big part of that. As is continuing to learn and try new things. I am myself a newbie, got into IM this year and for my short term goal I am shooting for $100 per month using adsense. That being said, my long term goal is $1,000 a day, or $30,000 per month. Now before anyone tells me it's impossible, this goal is at least 3-5 years away and will ultimately include much more than just adsense alone, of course. I had been toying with the idea of posting a blog that tracks my journey into this goal, posting not only my successes but also my trials and setbacks but am leery of doing so. I don't want it to be a major focus of my time and effort, using that as an excuse to actually working. Plus I really don't want a bunch of people that don't know anything about IM in the first place clouding my judgment. If I use the Warrior Forum blog I don't see that happening though since everyone here is usually very helpful and knows what they are talking about. Also I think it may even be a big help since people can comment on what I am doing right or wrong. |
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I love this thread. This is what separates the winners from the losers. Sorry guys, but when I started, I had no clue what I was doing. I made $28 in my first 5 months. If I had to start all over again right now without any site, any list, anything but just the knowledge in my head, I could easily make $10,000 my very first month without even breaking a sweat. And to prove that, next year, I am going to tackle a totally brand new niche after I launch my last IM product, and I will make at least $10,000 30 days after the product launches. Once you understand what you're doing and have the pieces in place, the rest is just execution. For those who don't believe...the proof is coming. |
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pretty soon you have 100 products that you are selling and bringing you in the big money ... please note - this is theoretical ... but you know, $20,000 per month = roughly 666 a day = selling 10 x $66 products ... now, that doesn't seem so impossible does it! | |
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Visualization to Actualization Visualize Yourself: -Spending the money you're going to make -Working from your home office -Driving that 2009 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class CLK550 Cabriolet -Buying a new home -Paying off all of your debt Then... Find ONE system and work it until your eyes bleed! Work that system until you ACTUALIZE what you have been visualizing. Nothing is impossible if you maintain a voracious persistence and never, ever, give up.... "Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." ---Calvin Coolidge |
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$20,000 per month is very possible! I've seen people do $10,000 per day promoting big ticket items and doing mentoring classes to over 300 members, or "students" each paying $97.00 per month. (yeah that's almost $30k per month) One you have your "system" in place and market it correctly your in business and your business is only going to grow and grow. Best Regards, -Alex Kaplo |
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Definitely doable if you discover a good market and you have a lot of money to invest in PPC. Let say you invest $10,000 daily. Do the math.
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It's all about your mindset. Period. Honestly with hitting the books and picking up one high end marketing course such as "Product Launch Formula", Mass Control, or TS2 you'll know more about internet marketing than 90% of the offline businesses. All you would need to do is build enough confidence in your self to go to these small businesses who know nothing about internet marketing, and charge $15k for consulting. That's $15k in one shot. IF you want big bucks fast than you might want to break away from the $27 ebook. Again it takes CONFIDENCE and BELIEF in yourself to charge $15k for consulting offline businesses. Because honestly with their type of budgets (Usually more than $70 and a dream) you can get them going and generating capital pretty quickly. And trust me these business owners think $15k for something like this is nothing. I know a guy who happily paid a man $25k just to teach him SEO for his offline business site. The fastest way to make $20k or $100k in one month, is by putting more faith and confidence in yourself than charging what you know you're worth. Daniel |
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Excellent points.. As mindset and personal development is where it all starts.. The mind is what can create wealth, so its best to master your mind first. Wealth is only limited by the mind. Using imagination and creativeness can yield powerful results... And going to offline business is probably the quickest way to make big profits. Reason being is they Value this information more because of the HUGE market gap. Finding market gaps is where the most money is made ![]() ------ If you want to see why imagination and creativity could create wealth (and why its important now) then check out The author shows that we are moving from Information Age to Conceptual Age and see "Why Right Brainers Will Rule The Future" | |
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To success in any area of life, it starts with the right Mindset. This explained why majority of people are happy with the rat-race...Their mindset tell them that is the only way to make a living. They don't dare to walk out from the comfort zone to improve their life. |
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very good stuff here, Im glad I signed up with every post I read
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