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Hi Guys,

I really need some help with the potential value of this domain.

po-p.com

look forwards to your comments

paul
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    almost worthless
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    • Profile picture of the author barilj
      Hey Paul,

      For what it is worth, I really don't see what this domain could be used for - it just doesn't stand out as meaning anything to me.

      Here is the domain you are asking about:
      po-p.com

      So what does po mean or po-p for that matter?

      And what niche are you planning to use it for?

      Unless I am really missing something, then I just don't see the value.

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      • Profile picture of the author inventme
        Originally Posted by barilj View Post

        Hey Paul,

        For what it is worth, I really don't see what this domain could be used for - it just doesn't stand out as meaning anything to me.

        Here is the domain you are asking about:
        po-p.com

        So what does po mean or po-p for that matter?

        And what niche are you planning to use it for?

        Unless I am really missing something, then I just don't see the value.

        John

        Well John,

        I was thinking using it on a website for my pop up box software.

        if you search google for po-p you getb the same results as pop.

        therfore couldnt it be used as a pop music review site.

        Please advise
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    • Profile picture of the author inventme
      Originally Posted by kontol View Post

      worth a few thousand at least.
      Hi and thanks for comments.

      I also have sp-y.com

      Any thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    Unles you have a company name or slang expression that really fits it as an abbreviation, there is not greate value, the hyphen is a real detractor, I just had a glance at the godaddy auction, you can get these 4 char names for under $10, some up to 10 years old, these have undesirable digits causing their low prices (7wii has some commercial possibilities "me and my 7 rooms with video games"):

    la4e.com 7wii.com 3gdl.com g-64.com w5le.com v772.com a4ds.com h1a7.com d4ag.com m1g1.com v950.com we3i.com n24s.com opd1.com lit3.com p616.com wrw3.com 277k.com a1ur.com in5k.com 82l8.com pg09.com n4yc.com 3bex.com 5iir.com 22af.com b28n.com y574.com 36-0.com ill3.com c-fn.com sgb1.com go-y.com fv5r.com 3foi.com wx90.com s2bx.com 1cmx.com n22a.com s23e.com s4de.com din8.com r1u1.com qzx8.com m2ax.com d3ah.com 3g6h.com e92r.com gsd1.com msb7.com 0dew.com w1bw.com fl50.com t2az.com jm-7.com h0ld.com wik4.com hlh5.com

    Someone is offering buy now prices of $99,999 each for a bunch of short names, looks like a joke.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    Okay, just quickly as i have to go soon to work, it really is not worth anything.

    The major problem is the hyphen stuffing it up from within, it has no place being there and does not help with word splitting that is sometimes needed in SEO.

    There are very limited things you can do with this too, had it been pop.com or pops.com then you would've had some serious money in your account but as it is, it is not even worth emailing anyone and wasting time asking if they want to buy.

    When choosing domains to buy and sell try to make sure they are exact product or service names as they stand the best chance. You do not even have to stick with .com, a lot of mine are .biz because no one is watching them. It is one thing to maybe find one competitor to an auction in .biz and 1,000,000 of them in .com

    Also, if you are trying to do brandable domains absolutely do not ever use a hyphen lol
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    • Profile picture of the author inventme
      Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post

      Okay, just quickly as i have to go soon to work, it really is not worth anything.

      The major problem is the hyphen stuffing it up from within, it has no place being there and does not help with word splitting that is sometimes needed in SEO.

      There are very limited things you can do with this too, had it been pop.com or pops.com then you would've had some serious money in your account but as it is, it is not even worth emailing anyone and wasting time asking if they want to buy.

      When choosing domains to buy and sell try to make sure they are exact product or service names as they stand the best chance. You do not even have to stick with .com, a lot of mine are .biz because no one is watching them. It is one thing to maybe find one competitor to an auction in .biz and 1,000,000 of them in .com

      Also, if you are trying to do brandable domains absolutely do not ever use a hyphen lol

      Hi,

      Thanks so much for comments.

      Could you briefly explain why Godaddy would give domains like ZA-X.com a value of $7800 TI-N.COM $9800 and VE-T.com $2200?

      Please advise.

      Best regards

      Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post

      When choosing domains to buy and sell try to make sure they are exact product or service names as they stand the best chance. You do not even have to stick with .com, a lot of mine are .biz because no one is watching them. It is one thing to maybe find one competitor to an auction in .biz and 1,000,000 of them in .com

      Also, if you are trying to do brandable domains absolutely do not ever use a hyphen lol
      Could i ask silly question 101 , is there a relative value or general basis point in value between the tld's, for example is there a % value between the same prefix / over the tld

      mysite.com = 100 %
      mysite.net = 75 % of original value
      mysite.org = 50% of original value
      mysite.biz = ? 30% "" ""
      mysite.info = 20%

      is there a variable here ?

      and lets sat a .com tld is valued in at 25K and you can buy the .net / . info for normal registration fee ? a good idea to buy them ? (silly Q 102)
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        This is an absolute true statement...

        Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post

        Also, if you are trying to do brandable domains absolutely do not ever use a hyphen lol
        There are a few exceptions but as a general rule of thumb, dashes or as you call them hyphens, typically don't are not in high demand unless the site is: (a). Currently generating a boatload of income. (b). Has high PR that can be used to pass link juice.

        Originally Posted by inventme View Post

        Could you briefly explain why Godaddy would give domains like ZA-X.com a value of $7800 TI-N.COM $9800 and VE-T.com $2200?
        Ever heard the sayings, "Happiness is relative" and "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"? As they pertain to domain name appraisals, when the domain name is not an income producer, you are forced to factor in subjectivity and relativeness. Which, as you know are at the whim of the beholder, A.K.A. potential buyer.

        As far as GDs assessment, if you Google the search term domain appraisal script, you will find all sorts of DN software appraisal scripts. That is what GD uses similar to these:
        The funny thing is, you can input data parameters on many of these scripts and the valuations will change dramatically. So what does GDs valuation mean? Absolutely nothing!

        You could buy the same script and triple or quadruple GDs valuation. Conversely, you could appraise the same domain GD appraised at $25k as being worth $500.00 and who could argue? Remember, we are talking about subjectivity and relativeness,

        Originally Posted by inventme View Post

        Do you think the domain would be worth more if a put a site up on it?
        Short answer, "NO!" Long answer, "NO!"

        Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

        Could i ask silly question 101 , is there a relative value or general basis point in value between the tld's, for example is there a % value between the same prefix / over the tld... ...lets sat a .com tld is valued in at 25K and you can buy the .net / . info for normal registration fee ? a good idea to buy them ? (silly Q 102)
        See previous answers.

        Now as to the OP building the site out, if you want to sell it for more than peanuts, you are going to have to make it a money maker preferably with good PR. Otherwise, you may have to pay someone to take it or let it expire.

        In the final analysis, generally speaking, a domain's value is judged by the income it is currently generating on a monthly basis x 12 months, x 16 months, x 24 months and sometimes x's even longer.

        If it is not generating income but it is a brandable domain, it could still be in demand and therefore fetch a good price. I've sold domains that I did absolutely nothing to expect put up a splash page. I never monetized them, they never made a dime on them and they had no PR but I still got great prices for them because they were brandable domains.

        If it is not generating income and it is not a brandable domain, well let's just say, you are going to have to be one heck of a salesman to sell that domain for a profit.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I always look at the basics - these two domains appear to have been registered Dec 21 - 4 DAYS ago.

          How can you expect them to be worth a lot of money in 4 days?
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          • Profile picture of the author GarryO
            The value of the domain depends on the quality of backlinks it had and the kind of reputation this domain had (if a website was available on the internet for this domain). If there was no website, it's not more worthy than a few dollars.
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            • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
              Originally Posted by GarryO View Post

              The value of the domain depends on the quality of backlinks it had and the kind of reputation this domain had (if a website was available on the internet for this domain). If there was no website, it's not more worthy than a few dollars.
              Wrong.

              The value is in the perception of the beholder. It may be true that a domain is intrinsically worth only a few dollars but just like you wouldn't throw a nugget of gold in the trash (gold is not really worth anything, it is too soft and heavy to be actually useful) you wouldn't sell me something like cameras.com for $10 would you?

              Insurance.com sold for 36.7M a few months back, it sold for that amount because of the money making potential, Insurances.com would be worth next to sod all even if there was a website on it.

              Think of a plot of land on which to build your house, and then tell me it is worthless.
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  • Profile picture of the author barilj
    OK Paul,

    I have a better idea of what you are trying to do.

    You are trying to match the main keyword and including it in your domain name which is a really good SEO thing to do.

    Here are your 2 domain proposals:
    po-p
    sp-y

    The hypen essentially destroys the keyword. So with those 2 domains as they are, your keywords within the domains are: po, p, sp and y. Does that make sense?

    If you want the keyword in the domain, it cannot be broken by a hyphen.

    As an example, this scenario would be OK:
    pop-up-box-software.com

    I just checked Namecheap for you and that one is actually available.

    Good luck,

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    • Profile picture of the author inventme
      Thanks again for advice.

      However as its only 3 letters- when you type sp-y or po-p into google it always returns with same results as if you entered the word with no hyphen.

      If this is the case the hyphen plays no part in SEO. Also as for a buyer of this domain surely the fact there is only 3 letters to remember with a hyphen its not going to cause people to get confused. Do you think the domain would be worth more if a put a site up on it?

      Many thanks

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author DNChamp
    short and sweet.....domain worth $0.00 to me.....Many more domains like that spelling words can still be bought. If you build it out your going to have about 75% of your traffic go to pop.com and forget the hyphen or put it in the wrong place (p-op) so I would let it drop OR put in on ebay starting at .99
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    I will ask here rather than start a new thread as it is directly related to domain value as in the ops question.

    I have read many views on buying domains, and it mentions on one hand if you buy the .com / tld to buy the other tld to protect yourself. all fine, then i read things where many people who own the other tlds are often taken or deemed as squatting or similar and are in breach.

    so i am at a loss, is anything other than a .com worth any money ? is it worth me even buying a .net and building up a site on that domain for fear of the .com coming and knocking my door down ?

    my research tells me the .com is not currently a registered trade mark, so this being the case is it safe for me to invest time and money building the site ?

    i have never worked with a .net before and find this one time where i may do so but am honestly confused by the multitude of variant replies and suggestions. many sites on the same page say buy all to protect and then straight after say avoid buying domains that others already have / ?

    i am guessing this only applies to registered names ? / would people bother with a .net ? to use as a main brand ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    I have seen just as many arguments on both sides and as far as I can see buying every domain extension in the world only really applies to those companies with budgets larger than sense.

    Disney alone owns thousands of them, something like 20,000+ to "protect" itself and the only people I can see profiting from this paranoia are the registrars.

    If you are doing major branding like creating a new service that has never before existed then it will be worth protecting yourself, if however you are blogging about computer games along with everyone else then not really, because the chances of coming up with a really unique name that isn't taken is next to nil.

    Just get the best extension you can and then leave it at that, and ignore .biz like the plague as no one likes it and you will get better value out of .uk or .de

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    If the .com is developed then you may have a hard time competing with it, but if it is simply parked then feel free to go ahead and develop but you should be aware of the traffic leakage.

    Plus, .com is not the ultimate extension, it does really badly in the medical field where .org is king and in local situations where you need to be looking in a specific country.
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    • Profile picture of the author inventme
      Thanks for all your comments. however i feel the point was missed somewhat.

      What i wanted to know is - Is having a 3 letter with one dash .com domain really that bad as its so easy to remember if spelling out a word. Also nobody confirmed my point that my domain po-p.com delivers the same search results in google as if you typed the word without the dash. This is rather more important than the value.

      Thanks again

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
    Having a dash shoved in the middle of your word is the same as having a space there, which means that there is no word, or spoon depending on your philosophical musings of the day.

    Since the dash is regarded as a space, what the search engines will see is "po p" which makes no sense, hyphens are great for splitting words but they must be utilized well, not simply shoved in there to claim that you have a 4 character domain which is what people had a habit of doing when they realized all the good words were gone, just like these days you keep seeing aaaadvertising.com in the drop lists which people made in their droves because they stupidly thought it would make it appear first in the Yellow Pages.

    Some domains do however do well even with hyphens, since you already got an offer for sp-y I am sure you can guess which ones, at this point it all really boils down to how many people will remember the domain.
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