Are Solicitors and Barristers like lawyers in the U.S.?

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Hi all,

I read up a bit on this, but I could really use a "normal citizen" view on this. Are solicitors/barristers always advertising in the U.K.? Do they tend to make good money in their profession like they do here in the States? Would they make good candidates for online marketing/advertising (they are profitable candidates here and their online advertising is very competitive in the major cities here in the U.S.).

I would GREATLY appreciate ANY input from my fellow Warriors on this one.

Thanks in advance,

- Jim
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  • I'm from the UK and yes solicitors are your version of lawyers so they can deal with any thing from divorce, moving house, and disputes etc. Where as barristers are the top end who are trained to a higher level and earn a lot more money.

    Aprt from that everything elee you have asked would be answered with a yes.
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    • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
      We seem to be adopting more advertising for those wanting to sue when they have accidents. Less so for the more (imo) 'normal' legal services.

      Yes, they earn good money, especially the Barristers. My son is currently studying to be a Barrister and while for him, it's all about the money, for me, I can't wait to see him in his wig and gown.
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      • Profile picture of the author AFI
        Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

        My son is currently studying to be a Barrister and while for him, it's all about the money, for me, I can't wait to see him in his wig and gown.
        Wig and gown?? :confused::confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Bacchus
          Originally Posted by AFI View Post

          Wig and gown?? :confused::confused:
          Both barristers and solicitors in the UK have special uniforms that can be worn on formal occasions.

          Barristers tend to appear in the senior courts (High court, Court of Appeal, Supreme court) where huge amounts of money are at issue, or where people are going to be going to prison for a long time. Solicitors deal with real property (selling houses), contracts, divorces, basic civil cases and etc.

          The best barristers are queens councillors, appointed by the queen, and get paid millions of pounds a year.

          Generally, QC's don’t need to advertise.

          Most money is spent advertising solicitor services, like divorce lawyers, or personal injury lawyers.
          Most law firms are very behind the times with advertising, it has only been deregulated for around ten to fifteen years, no win no pay was introduced around a decade ago before which it cost thousands up front to go to court, and there has only been class action suits for less than a year, so solicitors have really been local businesses.

          There probably is a market for online advertising help... but convincing these people is going to be all about personal contacts. A lot of solicitors don’t even have web sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post

            The best barristers are queens councillors, appointed by the queen, and get paid millions of pounds a year.
            Well ...

            Queen's Counsellors, actually, and appointed by the Lord Chancellor, nominally to serve the Queen as legal advisors if she ever asks, which she doesn't, having her own solicitors. It's a nominal, courtesy title only, but they get the letters QC after their names. They don't really "get paid" by anyone because they're self-employed, and have to be, but they certainly have the potential to earn plenty.

            Sorry to be a wombat, here, but "councillors" sit on a council, whereas "counsellors" give people counsel.

            QC's do litigation only, and unless they do anything terribly wrong, they get invited to become High Court judges (for which they take a huge cut in earnings, hence the shortage of High Court judges).
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            • Profile picture of the author Bacchus
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Well ...

              Queen's Counsellors, actually, and appointed by the Lord Chancellor, nominally to serve the Queen as legal advisors if she ever asks, which she doesn't, having her own solicitors. It's a nominal, courtesy title only, but they get the letters QC after their names. They don't really "get paid" by anyone because they're self-employed, and have to be, but they certainly have the potential to earn plenty.

              Sorry to be a wombat, here, but "councillors" sit on a council, whereas "counsellors" give people counsel.

              QC's do litigation only, and unless they do anything terribly wrong, they get invited to become High Court judges (for which they take a huge cut in earnings, hence the shortage of High Court judges).
              Well, thanks for the spelling corrections. To be honest, if you correct my spellings regularly I think you'd end up tearing your hair out. When I was fourteen, I was diagnosed with dyslexia, and found to have a reading age of 7. My spelling is as good as it is simply though a huge amount of hard work. But it is, and I think always will be, very poor.

              If you are pedantic about matters, I am not sure how much of what you say is true these days. A lot of the traditional restrictions have been lifted over the last fifteen years - a lot of barristers work for limited companies on a salary these days, and of course, solicitors can and have been admitted to silk.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post

                a lot of barristers work for limited companies on a salary these days


                Indeed ... but they're not in that case practicing at the bar, and are officially exempt from the so-called "cab-rank principle". They have only one client who effectively pays them a full-time retainer and their services are not available to others.

                Congratulations on overcoming your dyslexia to a great extent: I do apologise if my explaining "councillors" and "counsellors" offended, which wasn't my intention at all.
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                • Profile picture of the author Bacchus
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  I do apologise if my explaining "councillors" and "counsellors" offended, which wasn't my intention at all.
                  I'm not offended at all, I like it when someone takes the time to correct me, and it is very helpful. Thank you. But I like to explain the situation up front, because people can take it personally if I make the same mistake again after they correct me. This is very likely to happen, simply because I often don't see the mistakes I make even after they have been pointed out to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
            Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post

            Both barristers and solicitors in the UK have special uniforms that can be worn on formal occasions.

            Barristers tend to appear in the senior courts (High court, Court of Appeal, Supreme court) where huge amounts of money are at issue, or where people are going to be going to prison for a long time. Solicitors deal with real property (selling houses), contracts, divorces, basic civil cases and etc.

            The best barristers are queens councillors, appointed by the queen, and get paid millions of pounds a year.

            Generally, QC's don't need to advertise.

            Most money is spent advertising solicitor services, like divorce lawyers, or personal injury lawyers.
            Most law firms are very behind the times with advertising, it has only been deregulated for around ten to fifteen years, no win no pay was introduced around a decade ago before which it cost thousands up front to go to court, and there has only been class action suits for less than a year, so solicitors have really been local businesses.

            There probably is a market for online advertising help... but convincing these people is going to be all about personal contacts. A lot of solicitors don't even have web sites.
            Some of them don't actually need websites or do not see the need to fork out money for them, they are long established in the community and well known, my own solicitor has been doing a newspaper column for years now and he is pretty much the most famous solicitor on solicitors row. He gets so much business he does not need to buy a website to pull in a couple of prospects per year because everyone recommends him anyway.

            Your targets are his competitors :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    Well solicitors are more office based and deal with clients directly as opposed to barristers who are more court room based and are usually not employed directly by a client, but rather on behalf of a client through a solicitor. So in effect a solicitor does the preparatory work for a case and a barrister presents and argues it in court. The only real difference in England and Wales is that a solicitor is classed as an attorney.
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  • Profile picture of the author jsherloc
    Ok, thank you so much for the input guys! I'm finally starting to understand....

    So, essentially, if someone was a marketing consultant in the U.K., would they likely go after a solicitor as a client, or would they go after a barrister? Or really both? Since solicitors are more office-based and work more directly with clients, I assume they would be looking for online advertising options to promote their services? And thus solicitors as a whole would advertise more than barristers?

    But then you mentioned about barristers being the ones with the money, it makes me think THEY might advertise more. So still confused lol...

    - Jim
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      The law on how solicitors and barristers operate, how they can advertise and what they can do has changed in recent years.

      Originally - a solicitor was the person you went to with a legal problem and if the case had to go to court then a barrister was hired to represent you in court.

      Then a few years ago the law was changed so that solicitors could represent their own clients in court in some cases and also so that they could become judges - prior to that you had to be a barrister before becoming a judge. I believe the law has recently changed so that barristers can now be the initial point of contact, bypassing the need for a solicitor.

      I those old days barristers and solicitors were not allowed to advertise. That too has changed, but you don't see many doing so - apart from muted adverts in local papers saying "Blogs, Smyth and Jones - solicitors for 250 yrs."

      If you do some searching you'll see that we don't, yet, have quite the same competitive culture for general legal work.

      On the other hand - injury lawyers has become a highly competitive area - try searching for some of those perhaps.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      Originally Posted by jsherloc View Post

      Do people refer to these "accident-injury" legal professionals as "injury lawyers" or are they referred to/advertised as "accident-injury solicitors" or "injury barristers"?
      I think you'll find they usually advertise as "injury lawyers" - often claims are handled by legal executives, who are not qualified solicitors.

      I'm sure google will help you find the info you need.

      Oh yes - and don't quote me on this - I am not a lawyer! My father was - but he's been dead for 16 years and things change.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by jsherloc View Post

      Do people refer to these "accident-injury" legal professionals as "injury lawyers" or are they referred to/advertised as "accident-injury solicitors" or "injury barristers"?
      They're invariably called either "injury lawyers" or "personal injury lawyers" (not "accident injury lawyers") and that's how they advertise.

      The word "lawyers", in the UK, unless specified otherwise, is both intended and taken to mean solicitors.

      There's a sort of analogy between GP's (family doctors) and consultants (specialists). In the UK, although you can go directly to a consultant as a private patient, almost nobody does, but gets referred by their GP. It's similar with solicitors and barristers, but even more so.

      As mentioned above, the rules have been changed and private clients are actually now allowed to go directly to a barrister, though very few people know it anyway and it would occur to almost nobody. In reality, the only people who do are (for example) surveyors and property developers who might go directly to a barrister specialising in building law, companies with a tax advisor on board who might go directly to a tax barrister, and things like this. Very few barristers get "ordinary clients" going to them directly, and if taking a case to court would still need (by law) an accompanying solicitor anyway.

      The distinction between the two professions is very gradually becoming blurred, as these days there are some specialist "advocate solicitors" (with appropriate post-grad training and qualifications) who have the right of audience in the "county courts" without needing to employ a barrister. But barristers are basically specialists, and for the most part handle "court work".

      They also take virtually the same exams, these days, to qualify (though under different names!), but their "vocational training" is very different.
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      • Profile picture of the author AFI
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


        There's a sort of analogy between GP's (family doctors) and consultants (specialists). In the UK, although you can go directly to a consultant as a private patient, almost nobody does, but gets referred by their GP. It's similar with solicitors and barristers, but even more so.
        What's a GP? General Practitioner? If so, we call them that here too.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by AFI View Post

          What's a GP? General Practitioner? If so, we call them that here too.
          Thanks - wasn't sure about that. Maybe it's Australia or South Africa or somewhere where the term "GP" isn't used?

          Originally Posted by AFI View Post

          Wig and gown?? :confused::confused:
          Barristers in court still wear (small) wigs and a black gown. Apart from in cases involving children, family courts, and magistrates' courts (that's motoring and low-level crime, kind of "misdemeanours" rather than "felonies").

          In the summer, if courtrooms are hot, judges frequently invite them to take their wigs off if they want, and do the same.

          They're continually talking about abandoning them altogether.

          It's a bit of historical nonsense, really. Excuse me ... "preserving traditions".

          Lawyers in many countries wear a plain black gown in court. It's supposed to be an "equaliser" and stop the jury from looking at how they're dressed, if they all look the same. Not that many cases have juries, these days: fewer and fewer all the time.
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          • Profile picture of the author AFI
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Thanks - wasn't sure about that. Maybe it's Australia or South Africa or somewhere where the term "GP" isn't used?



            Barristers in court still wear (small) wigs and a black gown. Apart from in cases involving children, family courts, and magistrate's courts (that's motoring and low-level crime, kind of "misdemeanours" rather than "felonies").

            In the summer, if courtrooms are hot, judges frequently invite them to take their wigs off if they want, and do the same.
            Really?? That's hysterical!! I'm thinking to myself "he's going to be a lawyer, not a tranny!" LOL!!
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              There are overwhelmingly more solicitors than barristers in practice. (I'm guessing at least ten times as many - I haven't looked it up).

              Traditionally, barristers used to be more "upper class" because although the very successful few can earn £1 Million or so in a year, it can take them two or three years to start making a proper living when they qualify. So it tended to attract "people of private means" or wealthy backgrounds. I think there's still a small element of truth in that, even today. Making a living as a "new barrister" is pretty difficult, though new solicitors get paid a decent salary by their law-firm even while they're completing their training.

              Barristers don't have "firms". They're all independent and entirely self-employed. They just share office-space and secretaries and clerks, to save costs, but no "business partnerships".
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          • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post



            It's a bit of historical nonsense, really. Excuse me ... "preserving traditions".
            See, if you were British, you'd understand this isn't 'historical nonsense' at all. And I hope and pray it isn't abandoned before my son qualifies to wear them, though he might prefer it if it was, lol.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

              I hope and pray it isn't abandoned before my son qualifies to wear them, though he might prefer it if it was, lol.
              Yes, "people's parents" like it, for the family photos. Never mind that it intimidates the public and exposes the profession to some degree of ridicule (which is why the previous Lord Chancellor tried to abolish them). Still, you'll get your wish; and best wishes and congratulations in advance to your son, and good luck for pupillage.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
    I live in New England and am from Old England. I've never heard a doctor called a GP here in Mass. Usually it's a PCP (Primary Care Physician) or just plain old doctor.

    Also, thanks for clarifying the whole solicitor/barrister definition. I never knew what differentiated the two
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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      Originally Posted by Charlotte Jay View Post

      I live in New England and am from Old England. I've never heard a doctor called a GP here in Mass. Usually it's a PCP (Primary Care Physician) or just plain old doctor.

      Also, thanks for clarifying the whole solicitor/barrister definition. I never knew what differentiated the two
      I live in New England too and a lot of the English here is the same as "old" England. They say "rubbish" instead of trash and "carriages" instead of "shopping carts". And a "water fountain" is a "water bubbler". :rolleyes:

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      • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
        Originally Posted by AFI View Post

        I live in New England too and a lot of the English here is the same as "old" England. They say "rubbish" instead of trash and "carriages" instead of "shopping carts". And a "water fountain" is a "water bubbler". :rolleyes:

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        Haha, I guess it depends where you are in New England as to what you hear. I think the sub sandwich has about 3 different names around here
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          Originally Posted by Charlotte Jay View Post

          Haha, I guess it depends where you are in New England as to what you hear. I think the sub sandwich has about 3 different names around here
          Yeah it's got many names all over the US....grinder, hogey, etc.

          I think they just call it "subs" here though? I'm in New Hampshire. What part of Mass are you in?
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          • Profile picture of the author Charlotte Jay
            Originally Posted by AFI View Post

            I live in New England too and a lot of the English here is the same as "old" England. They say "rubbish" instead of trash and "carriages" instead of "shopping carts". And a "water fountain" is a "water bubbler". :rolleyes:

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            Originally Posted by AFI View Post

            Yeah it's got many names all over the US....grinder, hogey, etc.

            I think they just call it "subs" here though? I'm in New Hampshire. What part of Mass are you in?
            I'm in Central Mass, one town over from Woo-sta Oh lord, if you could hear the dreadful accents my husband's family has, you would DIE I tell you, DIE lol

            Where are you in NH? My H worked up in Hampton a couple of years back. It sure is a quirky little town, what's left of it after those 2 big fires that is
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            • Profile picture of the author AFI
              Originally Posted by Charlotte Jay View Post

              I'm in Central Mass, one town over from Woo-sta Oh lord, if you could hear the dreadful accents my husband's family has, you would DIE I tell you, DIE lol

              Where are you in NH? My H worked up in Hampton a couple of years back. It sure is a quirky little town, what's left of it after those 2 big fires that is
              Ah yeah you're right in the thick of it. I can only imagine the accents going on there.

              I'm around Manchester, NH in a little town of 10,000. We still use smoke signals. And speaking of smoke, yes Hampton Beach isn't the same with about 2 blocks of it gone.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
                I just think it's a shame that society has become one that's so heavily entrenched in blame, and not responsibility. Everyone's hell-bent on blaming (read sueing) someone for something.

                Here in the UK, the H&S nanny-culture (with its army of parasite jobsworths, poking their noses into everyone's business to tell them how to live) flourished, thanks to our previous administration.

                It's only since we had a change of admin in May that adverts for "no win, no fee" reduced. People are quick to blame banks, but the fat-cat lawyers riding the blame-culture wave are just as bad. No one wants to accept accountability, responsibility, or blame for anything any more. They don't care so about anyone but themselves and how much money they can cream from their blame culture.


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  • Profile picture of the author Bacchus
    The traditional British compromise is to keep the outfit for ceremonial occasions, so parents get nice pictures. After all we still get judges to put on the black cap every year for the lord mayor even though it is not in very much use any more.

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    I just think it's a shame that society has become one that's so heavily entrenched in blame, and not responsibility.
    I agree.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bacchus
    Well, yes, that is true to an extent, but there are always people coming into any business that aren't established yet, who look for some extra help.

    Even your local solicitor who doesn't need to advertise online will probably fall for a internet "yellow page package"... basically, basic web site with picture, blurb, phone number and email address; entrance into google local search, and so on. So, when people type in J.R. Hardy, solicitor, the contact details come up in google.
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