Is this is for real ?

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Daily emails telling me how I can make hundreds of thousands of dollars every month if I just buy their new product. If it is really making hundreds of thousands every month why do they want to share it with me and everyone else for $97.00 - no $67 - no - $37- as long as I don't tell anyone else how much I paid for it because I am getting a steal. What is going on ?
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Because most of the buyers are not going to do a thing after buying the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

    Daily emails telling me how I can make hundreds of thousands of dollars every month if I just buy their new product. If it is really making hundreds of thousands every month why do they want to share it with me and everyone else for $97.00 - no $67 - no - $37- as long as I don't tell anyone else how much I paid for it because I am getting a steal. What is going on ?
    You can always unsubscribe
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    • Profile picture of the author phoenix2010
      Yes - but at what point are we suspending disbelief - how to make $1billion dollars over night by just thinking about it ?
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Ya' know, also, it is ENTIRELY possible to sell products, even in the IM niche, with mentioning very little about earnings. Not that you shouldn't actually be earning what you are claiming to earn, but this thread alone is proof that I STRONGLY believe that reliance has been shifted onto earnings so much (which, of course, can be easily fabricated)...

        I think many people believe that the only way they can sell products is to fabricate earnings. Personally, I'm cautious of products that place so much emphasis on that. Create a unique selling propositions...regardless of how complex the sale...and, make something else the driving force besides monetary figures.

        People embrace those with severe skepticism nowadays, IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
    Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

    Daily emails telling me how I can make hundreds of thousands of dollars every month if I just buy their new product. If it is really making hundreds of thousands every month why do they want to share it with me and everyone else for $97.00 - no $67 - no - $37- as long as I don't tell anyone else how much I paid for it because I am getting a steal. What is going on ?
    Everything just seems so over-hyped, huh? I feel like I have to take it all with a grain of salt. Just last week, an internet marketing blogger posted an apology to everyone for lying about how much he makes online:
    I Am Sorry I Lied | TyroneShum dot com
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by kasimarie View Post

      Everything just seems so over-hyped, huh? I feel like I have to take it all with a grain of salt. Just last week, an internet marketing blogger posted an apology to everyone for lying about how much he makes online:
      I Am Sorry I Lied | TyroneShum dot com
      I haven't watched this video and probably won't.

      This is a BIG deal, because another blogger I read quite frequently has deeply associated himself with Tyrone, through marketing challenges and niche duels.
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      • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        I haven't watched this video and probably won't.

        This is a BIG deal, because another blogger I read quite frequently has deeply associated himself with Tyrone, through marketing challenges and niche duels.
        Pat Flynn?
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Originally Posted by kasimarie View Post

          Pat Flynn?
          Yes...

          His holiday email included this...

          Niche Site Coaching With Pat Flynn & Tyrone Shum

          I like Pat. Alot. (I still haven't watched that video yet, however I did read some of the comments. It appears to be 'not that much of a deal' to a few people...in fact, one comment I read said that it immediately inspired them to join his mailing list)

          I understand, without watching the video, I'll probably never know "to what extent" he lied and exaggerated his earnings. I know a lie is a lie...but, is this comparable to saying he earned $100 with adsense, when he really earned $90? ....or....was he saying he earned like $500,000, when he only earned $10,000?
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          • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
            Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

            Yes...

            His holiday email included this...

            Niche Site Coaching With Pat Flynn & Tyrone Shum

            I like Pat. Alot. (I still haven't watched that video yet, however I did read some of the comments. It appears to be 'not that much of a deal' to a few people...in fact, one comment I read said that it immediately inspired them to join his mailing list)

            I understand, without watching the video, I'll probably never know "to what extent" he lied and exaggerated his earnings. I know a lie is a lie...but, is this comparable to saying he earned $100 with adsense, when he really earned $90? ....or....was he saying he earned like $500,000, when he only earned $10,000?
            I started reading both Pat and Tyrone's blogs when I heard about the Niche Site Duel. I like them both. According to Tyrone, he had been promoting himself as someone who makes 6 figures per year online and that he only works a few hours per day doing it. Apparently, he does not make 6 figures online - the majority of his money comes from offline work and he works more than a few hours per day. He says he was caught up in the "internet marketing hype" and felt the need to over-exaggerate what he earned.

            I just think you have to use common sense when it comes to these claims. Are you going to earn $100,000 overnight? Not likely. And as someone else stated, you have to actually put the information you buy to use and see what works for you.
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            • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
              I'm not sure if he was selling products, but he was certainly selling a brand.

              In your honest opinion, is this forgivable?

              Originally Posted by kasimarie View Post

              I started reading both Pat and Tyrone's blogs when I heard about the Niche Site Duel. I like them both. According to Tyrone, he had been promoting himself as someone who makes 6 figures per year online and that he only works a few hours per day doing it. Apparently, he does not make 6 figures online - the majority of his money comes from offline work and he works more than a few hours per day. He says he was caught up in the "internet marketing hype" and felt the need to over-exaggerate what he earned.

              I just think you have to use common sense when it comes to these claims. Are you going to earn $100,000 overnight? Not likely. And as someone else stated, you have to actually put the information you buy to use and see what works for you.
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              • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
                Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

                I'm not sure if he was selling products, but he was certainly selling a brand.

                In your honest opinion, is this forgivable?
                He was definitely selling a brand, absolutely. Is it forgivable? Sure, I can forgive it. I didn't unsubscribe from his feed. It actually didn't surprise me - but that doesn't mean I think that everyone is being dishonest. There is $ to be made in IM if you're willing to put in all of the really hard work to learn it, research it, put it to the test, and stick it out.

                But perhaps I am even more jaded because part of me wondered if his apology was some sort of PR stunt. Maybe he really is making that kind of $ online but wants to gain more people's trust by doing this...who knows?

                Maybe I am just too cynical
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by kasimarie View Post

      Everything just seems so over-hyped, huh? I feel like I have to take it all with a grain of salt. Just last week, an internet marketing blogger posted an apology to everyone for lying about how much he makes online:
      I Am Sorry I Lied | TyroneShum dot com

      Wow that took a lot of guts and I think that he was wrong to be dishonest, but I think it's good to see someone deciding to be truthful.
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      • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
        Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

        Wow that took a lot of guts and I think that he was wrong to be dishonest, but I think it's good to see someone deciding to be truthful.
        I agree - very gutsy and it didn't change my opinion of him.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bewley
          Originally Posted by kasimarie View Post

          I agree - very gutsy and it didn't change my opinion of him.
          Gutsy my backside! What would have been gutsy, if he would have said...

          "I pledge to refund all of my customers that purchased my products, or products that I endorsed. I will never ever, promote or sell anything on the internet again until I have fulfilled this pledge"

          It's not like he made a small whoopsy is it! He perpetuated a lie, a considered and strategic plan of lies to decieve people and extract cash from thier pockets.

          I have zero sympathy for him - none whatsoever.

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          • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
            Originally Posted by Bewley View Post

            Gutsy my backside! What would have been gutsy, if he would have said...

            "I pledge to refund all of my customers that purchased my products, or products that I endorsed. I will never ever, promote or sell anything on the internet again until I have fulfilled this pledge"

            It's not like he made a small whoopsy is it! He perpetuated a lie, a considered and strategic plan of lies to decieve people and extract cash from thier pockets.

            I have zero sympathy for him - none whatsoever.

            Adrian
            I hear you. And I definitely don't have sympathy for him.
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    • Profile picture of the author AFI
      Originally Posted by kasimarie View Post

      Everything just seems so over-hyped, huh? I feel like I have to take it all with a grain of salt. Just last week, an internet marketing blogger posted an apology to everyone for lying about how much he makes online:
      I Am Sorry I Lied | TyroneShum dot com
      WOW how embarrassing! He didn't even remove the video where he said he makes a 6 figure income next to it.

      Pays to be honest peeps. Just like I wrote on my blog in my sig.
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      • Profile picture of the author kasimarie
        Originally Posted by AFI View Post

        WOW how embarrassing! He didn't even remove the video where he said he makes a 6 figure income next to it.

        Pays to be honest peeps. Just like I wrote on my blog in my sig.
        Hahaha, I know, right??? Too funny!
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  • Profile picture of the author Natlex
    Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

    Daily emails telling me how I can make hundreds of thousands of dollars every month if I just buy their new product. If it is really making hundreds of thousands every month why do they want to share it with me and everyone else for $97.00 - no $67 - no - $37- as long as I don't tell anyone else how much I paid for it because I am getting a steal. What is going on ?
    It's because of one or a few of these reasons

    1) most people will not be able to exactly replicate (they might leave out a few things they do personally, or heavily discount the amount of work they did to get their results)

    2) the method is becoming saturated.

    As I have made money in IM I discovered how easy it is to sell making money online products to others ( I have not but my methods could easily match other $50-100 products). It's seriously tempting especially when I see newbies paying $75-100 for 1 hour coaching sessions with a "guru" who will probably not tell the newbie anything I would not have told him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

    Daily emails telling me how I can make hundreds of thousands of dollars every month if I just buy their new product. If it is really making hundreds of thousands every month why do they want to share it with me and everyone else for $97.00 - no $67 - no - $37-
    Why not????
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    • Profile picture of the author phoenix2010
      This is a business just like any other. Coca Cola is not going to share its recipes for making Coke with you at a discount - if at all. You can become a bottler if possible but you will have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. I know the cost of entry into the business of online marketing is low because of the leveraging of technology, but that does not change the fact that an idea with long term value will rarely be shared and if it is, it will at a high price.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

        This is a business just like any other. Coca Cola is not going to share its recipes for making Coke with you at a discount - if at all. You can become a bottler if possible but you will have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. I know the cost of entry into the business of online marketing is low because of the leveraging of technology, but that does not change the fact that an idea with long term value will rarely be shared and if it is, it will at a high price.
        Coca-Cola would set the price for their recipe, just so much as an IM'er would set a $97 price tag for their product. IMHO, whatever the product price is set at, it should fully deliver on that which was portrayed in the sales copy.

        Mentioning monetary figures, to begin with, gets into murky waters. Of course, in the online world, most people translate success into money. As an IM'er, think long and hard...research and develop another unique avenue to sell. My products sell well, and I very seldom even mention much about earnings.

        Of course, in the place of bombarding sales copy with completely fabricated earnings, I've had to do ALOT of research and legwork to develop other avenues to hinge success or failure of the product on. I would be very cautious of promising people that they will earn $_______ amount of money with your system. Simply sell it, and provide the best possible support you can.
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        • Profile picture of the author phoenix2010
          Thanks, I wish most of the gurus out there would take an example from your philosophy. We all want to make money, but once burnt by products with claims that can not be supported by the fluff they are filled with, we become very cynical and it becomes a game of get as many suckers in as quickly as possible.
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          • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
            I think there is certainly more to hinge the success of a product on, beyond monetary claims. Unfortunately, that is what everyone knows and expects. Big numbers make eyebrows raise, whether they are fabricated or not. I, personally, don't like playing with numbers simply because...knowing what I know about IM.....even if I was REALLY making $1,000,000/year off a system, and was providing high quality REAL screenshot, as a consumer, I would STILL probably be skeptical....

            I can't believe for the life of me that that stuff even works in headlines anymore. I guess it does. It becomes more of a game of picking the right combination of even and odd numbers (i.e. I earn $1,376,432....), than truly being genuine about what it is you are offering. I guess people know that using the right "numbers", whether fabricated or not, just simply work....so, now, we have large scale bloggers who "get caught up in the hype" and compromise themselves completely...

            I tell my wife I would never cheat on her. I know I wouldn't, but I don't even put myself in that position. Maybe I'm a loner, but I don't frequent clubs or bars, without her, very often...if at all. Point being, I don't want anything to do with even the remote possibility of associating myself with something that could cause me to cheat.

            Why, then, do they associate themselves with this stuff? It's an easier way to the top just to simply fabricate earnings instead of actually putting in the hard legwork and REALLY doing it?

            I'm glad that his conscious caught up with him to the point where he felt the need to address this and come clean.

            Now, it makes me wonder about the reputation of everyone who associated themselves with him, as well. :rolleyes: Of course, maybe they just didn't know...
            Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

            Thanks, I wish most of the gurus out there would take an example from your philosophy. We all want to make money, but once burnt by products with claims that can not be supported by the fluff they are filled with, we become very cynical and it becomes a game of get as many suckers in as quickly as possible.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
            Sometimes those people do make a lot of money, but they make it from selling products that teach other people how to make money. Seems to be that happens sometimes when you see some income proof images on sales letters.

            I think people can make a lot of money online, no doubt about it. But its kind of like most things, a person can only get out of it what thye put into it. So if thye only put in 37 or 67 or 97 dollars and are expecting to get back hundreds of thousands on autopilot, I think that person might be a bit disappointed with their results.
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            • Profile picture of the author Defunct
              One thing you learn online is take to EVERYTHING with at least a grain of salt.

              Some people blatantly lie, some exaggerate and some people are just plain wrong.

              Marketers have a tendency towards hype or making things seem like NO WORK is needed or it's SO EASY.

              Fact is if you look at most successful people, they work hard, often very hard, unless you get lucky there is no real way around hard work.

              Anything that is SO EASY, will get saturated or fixed and then you have to find the NEXT new thing, instead of building a business that will last for 5 - 10 years and get stronger, you usually have to start new ones.

              Find something that works and stick to it until you make a good income, then you can scale it and outsource whatever you want.

              Make sure it's not some trick and a real business that will last.
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              • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
                ...and, some people flat-out can't figure out how to make it all work, so they resort to lying...errrr...deceiving...people...

                It reminds me of a confrontation I had with a short lived Warrior visitor a few weeks ago (I won't call him a "Warrior" for obvious reasons...)....who openly admitted to flat-out lying about his earnings. His rationale was that, when he sells his products, he wants people to envision themselves as what they want to become. His way of doing this was to provide them with fabricated earnings so that they can see what is possible if they just envision (and act) the way they want to become.

                And, apparently, this approach was recommended by another guru who that guy was looking up to. One thing is for sure, garbage and ethically compromised behavior runs deep online.

                Originally Posted by Defunct View Post

                One thing you learn online is take to EVERYTHING with at least a grain of salt.

                Some people blatantly lie, some exaggerate and some people are just plain wrong.

                Marketers have a tendency towards hype or making things seem like NO WORK is needed or it's SO EASY.

                Fact is if you look at most successful people, they work hard, often very hard, unless you get lucky there is no real way around hard work.

                Anything that is SO EASY, will get saturated or fixed and then you have to find the NEXT new thing, instead of building a business that will last for 5 - 10 years and get stronger, you usually have to start new ones.

                Find something that works and stick to it until you make a good income, then you can scale it and outsource whatever you want.

                Make sure it's not some trick and a real business that will last.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    now a days people are trying to make money with less or no effort. they just want to make money by sitting home without doing anything. is it right? or is it really possible? make sense bros
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  • Profile picture of the author Palusko
    <sarcasm>
    Many times they write why they are sharing their secrets for the unbelievably low price, or even for free. But typically, it boils down to them being good people, who love and appreciate you, who want the world to be a better place, and who want other people to be happy and financially free.

    I don't see what's so hard to believe about it.

    It's the same like car salesman selling you a perfectly good car for the price reserved only for you. It happens to everyone who is in the market to buy a car...

    We're just living in a caring world, I guess.
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    Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

    Daily emails telling me how I can make hundreds of thousands of dollars every month if I just buy their new product. If it is really making hundreds of thousands every month why do they want to share it with me and everyone else for $97.00 - no $67 - no - $37- as long as I don't tell anyone else how much I paid for it because I am getting a steal. What is going on ?
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    • Profile picture of the author phoenix2010
      Originally Posted by Palusko View Post

      <sarcasm>
      Many times they write why they are sharing their secrets for the unbelievably low price, or even for free. But typically, it boils down to them being good people, who love and appreciate you, who want the world to be a better place, and who want other people to be happy and financially free.

      I don't see what's so hard to believe about it.

      It's the same like car salesman selling you a perfectly good car for the price reserved only for you. It happens to everyone who is in the market to buy a car...

      We're just living in a caring world, I guess.
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      I agree with you- there are those who genuinely want to help and share and are gratefull for the information and knowledge they have received. I continue to be amazed at the knowledge that is shared freely in this forum. Like any business you will need to invest in some tools and information you need to get it off the ground and make a go of it. But that is a far cry from a lot of what is being sold out there - full of hype, incomplete and bogus information -enough information to convince you buy more and more and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author pexxy
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    Recently I tried couple of wordpress plugins focused on automation and I must say that I was trapped by their damned copywriters who id a great job but the product owner could not do his job properly.

    The IMers releasing their own products should also keep these things in their minds and should not exaggerate the claims.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Interesting discussion, to which I think I can add one tidbit:

    Because I'm not a big fan of earnings claims and "proof" screenshots and all that, I decided to do a little experiment. For my first paid product in the IM niche, I launched it without any of the "must have" elements on a sales page:
    - I had no earnings proof or screenshots
    - I made no earnings claims whatsoever
    - I made no claims concerning traffic
    - I had no testimonials
    - I had no money-back guarantee

    It did quite well.
    I later added some testimonials and a guarantee, but still have no claims of any kind, anywhere on the sales-page.

    And it's still doing quite well.
    And no, I'm not going to say how well, because the irony of that would be hard to bear.

    My point is: It seems like none of that is truly necessary to sell IM products. I'm sure the hypey claims increase conversions with a segment of the market, but I simply choose not to market to that segment.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Exactly! Nice post, Sane.....could certainly turn what has been commonly accepted in IM right on it's head....

      Interesting indeed about the testimonials and no guarantees, though....

      Originally Posted by ShaneRQR View Post

      Interesting discussion, to which I think I can add one tidbit:

      Because I'm not a big fan of earnings claims and "proof" screenshots and all that, I decided to do a little experiment. For my first paid product in the IM niche, I launched it without any of the "must have" elements on a sales page:
      - I had no earnings proof or screenshots
      - I made no earnings claims whatsoever
      - I made no claims concerning traffic
      - I had no testimonials
      - I had no money-back guarantee

      It did quite well.
      I later added some testimonials and a guarantee, but still have no claims of any kind, anywhere on the sales-page.

      And it's still doing quite well.
      And no, I'm not going to say how well, because the irony of that would be hard to bear.

      My point is: It seems like none of that is truly necessary to sell IM products. I'm sure the hypey claims increase conversions with a segment of the market, but I simply choose not to market to that segment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiac108
    Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

    Daily emails telling me how I can make hundreds of thousands of dollars every month if I just buy their new product. If it is really making hundreds of thousands every month why do they want to share it with me and everyone else for $97.00 - no $67 - no - $37- as long as I don't tell anyone else how much I paid for it because I am getting a steal. What is going on ?
    Welcome to the world of IM. I suggest you put your credit card away in a bank safe somewhere and prescribe a course of watching endless presentations of similar claims for multiple products. At the end of daily watching for three months you should have built up some immunity. Only then should you be get your credit card out of the vault.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaesarSEO
    I agree with Zodiac.

    Stay away from products that not even mention what's inside, and say that you can make thousands a month by a single click.

    These are called SCAMS. Go for the WSO's in the warrior forum, they are moderated, and most of them work if sticked to.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Colle
    Seriously though there are many ways to make money online, I don't think a genuine product that really works in making you money online like some of the stuff I am associated with will ever spam your email asking you to join. One of the main reasons is that any thing that is spam is already considered not worth it given that spam itself is annoying. So I don't think one should take into consideration any such program.

    And if a program is that good for that matter it will not need to go by trying to get people to join by sending spam emails. First of all because it will already give them a bad image and secondly they won't have too if it really works.
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  • Profile picture of the author rain21
    most of these offers are fake, even sometimes something works for someone but it may not work for you, so when you want to buy something, better u get some knowledge about that first and continue
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
    You can make those amounts without a doubt.

    Do yourself a favor and do your due diligence before purchasing one of those products. There are some legit mentors that are making huge amounts and that are willing to help you.

    So look for the name of the guy sending you the emails and you could probably find the truth about him and his system.

    If you don't like it just unsubscribe.
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvo
    I just delete those emails.Never opened them because I personally think why people want to share their success to make money?You may open them but you will see lots of promotional sentences there.They are just doing it for making profit not to give profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I'd never heard of Shum until I saw the link in this thread. His "confession" reminded me a lot of the first broadcast Weeping Jimmy Swaggart made after he got caught outside the motel window with his winky in his hand.

      Could I forgive him? Sure.

      Would I ever buy anything on his recommendation again? Not a chance.

      Originally Posted by phoenix2010 View Post

      Yes - but at what point are we suspending disbelief - how to make $1billion dollars over night by just thinking about it ?
      Ah, so you have heard of The Secret...
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