Product Launch Question -- multiple software/scripts question -- am I worrying too much?

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Warriors:

In my upcoming membership launch, I want everything to go smoothly and everything to be TOP NOTCH. My concern is multiple software/scripts that are going into this launch.

Breakdown:


Easy Member Pro - I'm using this membership software for affiliates and content protection

See details of EMP software here => = http://www.easymemberpro.com/index.php?page=features

Rapid Action Profits - I'm using this script to pay my affiliates automatically at 100% commission

See details of RAP Script here => = Rapid Action Profits


JV Aweber Script
- I'm using this script for my affiliates/JVP's in which it will track lifetime commissions for them and give them incentives to promote my launch

See details of this script here ==> = http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...portunity.html

In closing I'm wanting to know of all three scripts/software will be able to interact with one another? Being that I'm not a tech kind of guy....I don't know of the potential for all 3 working together efficiently and smoothly.

Let me know your opinion and thoughts.

Respectfully yours,

Chris Negro
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Wright
    I think you will be fine Chris just over stressin! As long as you have tested it all everything should go to plan. Most people are in the same boat tbh for example I use

    amember - protect membership
    Icontact - for customers details
    Clickbank - For affiliate payments etc

    I think you've just thought outside the box which is credit to you! But I think from what you have said I think you should be good to go!
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
      Originally Posted by Ashley Wright View Post

      I think you will be fine Chris just over stressin! As long as you have tested it all everything should go to plan. Most people are in the same boat tbh for example I use

      amember - protect membership
      Icontact - for customers details
      Clickbank - For affiliate payments etc

      I think you've just thought outside the box which is credit to you! But I think from what you have said I think you should be good to go!
      Thanks Ashley for your input and contribution to the thread. Anybody else care to chime in?

      Success to you,

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  • Profile picture of the author LauraJames
    Best wishes with your upcoming launch. Have you checked to make sure you are not competing with any other major launches that same day? What types of payments, such as PayPal, will you be accepting? Do you have backup servers in place?

    I'm not fond of using the term STUPID, but I know it is done to draw attention. Just my personal opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    To directly answer your question no the three scripts will not be able to work together. They are designed to be stand alone solutions and not part of a mix and match cluster.

    Membership software is designed to be used by itself with no other scripts invloved, unless you are using some kind of plug in such as a wordpress membership plugin or the member plus add on for RAP. Other than something like that the membership scripts are designed to be used seperate of all other solutions and you can't easily mix them with other programs.
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
      Originally Posted by Johnny Slater View Post

      To directly answer your question no the three scripts will not be able to work together. They are designed to be stand alone solutions and not part of a mix and match cluster.

      Membership software is designed to be used by itself with no other scripts invloved, unless you are using some kind of plug in such as a wordpress membership plugin or the member plus add on for RAP. Other than something like that the membership scripts are designed to be used seperate of all other solutions and you can't easily mix them with other programs.
      Then what you would recommend the solution be if I want the functionality of what I mentioned in the original post?

      Many thanks in Advance,


      Chris Negro
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    If you want instant commissions you would need RAP+MemberPlus add on, Viral Membership System, or another membership solution that handles instant commissions.

    I am not sure what solution would be best for you as I don't know all your requirements, you will have more that you will need other than the few things you laid out above.

    You can't really get an answer as to "what is best" by asking in a forum. At the very best you will get a bunch of conflicting answers where everyone says what they feel is best for them, not what is best for you.

    You need to lay out your exact requirements. You need to know how you want affiliate payments handled, what affiliate tools you need, what type of features you need in the member area, what features you need in the admin area, what type of customer support you will need from your solution provider, what options you might need in the future if you plan on growing your site later on, which solutions allow for easy growth as time progresses, as well as a host of other considerations.

    Running a successful membership site is not as easy as just sticking some content on a site and calling it done. There is much more involved than most people realize and not all membership solutions are created equal.

    You need to first figure out your exact requirements then look at the solutions available that meet your own specific needs.

    It would be easy for me to say "buy my solution because its the best in the world and you won't find anything better" but in all honesty that would be doing more harm that good to both of us. Until you know what you require from a membership solution you can't begin to figure out what solution is best for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthony Hull
    Hi Chris,

    I agree with Johnny Slater... the 3 scripts are not designed to work together in the way you describe. If you want to pay your affiliates *instantly* their 100% commissions, then RAP + their member add on would be the only solution I'm currently aware of that does this.

    Personally I don't like the concept of payments going directly to affiliates because of the fact that many customers end up contacting affiliates for support later down the line because they look at who their paypal payment went to.

    Additionally, if you're thinking of using paypal for payments.. consider that later down the line if you want to sell your site and you are accepting paypal subscriptions, you can NOT transfer the subscriptions to the new owner(s) because of Paypal's policies.

    For a successful membership site, I personally would recommend:

    1) EasyMemberPro (this is my script of course and integrates with Clickbank)
    2) Clickbank as your payment processor

    - They pay affiliates directly but not instantly - this frees your time so you don't need to worry about cutting checks each month etc
    - Thousands of affiliates TRUST clickbank because they know they will get paid - and get paid on time, every time)
    - if you later sell your site, you can easily transfer your Clickbank account to the new owner... VERY useful if you have an exit strategy in mind.

    Consider giving a 60-75% commission to attract more affiliates... but the most important thing to attract affiliates (apart from knowing the right JV partners) is a superb product that is an easy sell.

    If you are 100% fixated on giving lifetime commissions across ALL your future products (whereby each product is on a different website) then I would have a look at Infusionsoft along with a wordpress membership plugin for it... my friend and extremely successful Internet Marketer Lee McIntyre uses this for his membership site(s) over at Get More Momentum

    However, with Infusionsoft you'll need to pay affiliates manually (which I hate as I'm too lazy, but Lee has his own staff who take care of that for him!)...

    So... looks like you'll need to have some compromises here and there along the way - whichever solution you end up using.

    All the best,

    Anthony
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hi Chris,

      I would also have to concur with Johnny.

      The 3 scripts you've chosen have a lot of overlapping features, and would probably cause conflicts. While I like the features in Chris's JV AWeber script, and it would be a great addition to a marketer's toolbox, all but one of the features is already provided in the core RAP system.

      The EasyMemberPro system also has a lot of great features, but almost all of them are available via the core RAP system. The only piece missing is the membership management system (and that's a "biggie"), but that's easily covered with the RAP Membership Plus Add On (PLUS - the core RAP system and the Membership Add On can be purchased as a bundle).

      Happy to answer any other questions. Just ask.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
        Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

        Hi Chris,

        I would also have to concur with Johnny.

        The 3 scripts you've chosen have a lot of overlapping features, and would probably cause conflicts. While I like the features in Chris's JV AWeber script, and it would be a great addition to a marketer's toolbox, all but one of the features is already provided in the core RAP system.

        The EasyMemberPro system also has a lot of great features, but almost all of them are available via the core RAP system. The only piece missing is the membership management system (and that's a "biggie"), but that's easily covered with the RAP Membership Plus Add On (PLUS - the core RAP system and the Membership Add On can be purchased as a bundle).

        Happy to answer any other questions. Just ask.
        Sid:

        Can your RAP software/system track leads and back-end JV/affiliate commissions? Specifically, where I can give them incentives to promote my launch as they are guaranteed that they will get credit if the customer buys....rather then another marketer promoting the same launch.

        Please be specific to this question as this is very important for my launch. If your RAP does not do this which software/system would you recommend.

        Many thanks !

        Success to you,

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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          Hi Chris,

          Originally Posted by chrisnegro View Post

          Can your RAP software/system track leads and back-end JV/affiliate commissions? Specifically, where I can give them incentives to promote my launch as they are guaranteed that they will get credit if the customer buys....rather then another marketer promoting the same launch.
          Yes. Provided that you capture the prospect lead in the process. As long as the visitor signs signs up to a pre-launch or other notification list, you can capture the affiliate ID and then every time you communicate with that prospect you can use the affiliate's link to send them to the sales page.

          That way, even if they get cookied by another affiliate sending them to your site, the original affiliate link will be passed into their browser on subsequent follow up from you, and the original affiliate will be re-cookied.
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          • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
            Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

            Hi Chris,

            That way, even if they get cookied by another affiliate sending them to your site, the original affiliate link will be passed into their browser on subsequent follow up from you, and the original affiliate will be re-cookied.

            Sid:


            Can you change the duration of "how long" these potential customers are cookied/linked to the original marketer? Is it a lifetime cookie? 30 days? 60 months? Can the cookie be "deactivated" after the launch is over (for example).

            I'm visualizing (or at least desiring anyway) a system where you can customize how long a marketers list is cookied to your website or specific product. Any further detailed explanation would be much appreciated.

            Thanks again Sid for your generosity in explaining as I'm sure others appreciate to know the depths of your RAP Membership System.

            Success to you,

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            • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
              Hi Chris

              Originally Posted by chrisnegro View Post


              Sid:


              Can you change the duration of "how long" these potential customers are cookied/linked to the original marketer? Is it a lifetime cookie? 30 days? 60 months? Can the cookie be "deactivated" after the launch is over (for example).
              Currently, the affiliate cookie is set to expire after 365 days, and can only be changed by modifying the code.

              However, that cookie is only used when someone comes to your page via a natural link (i.e. no affiliate link), in order to give the affiliate credit for any follow up mailings you may do, or so that they still get credit if the prospect leaves your site, and then comes back later - via bookmark, or just keying the URL into their browser address bar.

              I'm visualizing (or at least desiring anyway) a system where you can customize how long a marketers list is cookied to your website or specific product. Any further detailed explanation would be much appreciated.

              Thanks again Sid for your generosity in explaining as I'm sure others appreciate to know the depths of your RAP Membership System.
              I am looking at making the expiration term an option so that the merchant can set this via web-form, but am undecided whether this will come in the next patch release (where I rarely introduce feature changes), or in the next full release of the product.

              Caveat:
              RAP is designed to benefit the affiliate in every way possible. Given that... the last affiliate to promote is cookied, so that you don't run into a situation where the quickest affiliate gets the cookie, and never promotes again (i.e. doesn't send follow up emails during a launch).

              It's more important to you, that the ACTIVE affiliate gets cookied. That means that their cookie should replace the cookie from an affiliate who can only be bothered to promote an offer one time. That way, your active affiliates make more sales, more commissions, and remain active.
              Hope this helps,
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              • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
                Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

                Hi Chris

                Currently, the affiliate cookie is set to expire after 365 days, and can only be changed by modifying the code.

                However, that cookie is only when someone comes to your page via a natural link (i.e. no affiliate link), in order to give the affiliate credit for any follow up mailings you may do, or so that they still get credit if the prospect leaves your site, and then comes back later - via bookmark, or just keying the URL into their browser address bar.

                Sid:


                Maybe I need to be more clear Sid. My vision to to have my JV's/Affiliates promote an optin page (for something I'm giving away free). They then would be internally tracked (and linked to the original marketer) in my autoresponder list.

                And then, when I close them through my promotional email on the back end, the marketer who sent them to my free report page will get the sale. However, I only want them linked to the customer for a certain period of time. This way... marketers don't get a lifetime commission from that client....only commissions for that launch.

                Thoughts?


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                • Profile picture of the author Anthony Hull
                  One thing I don't know if you're aware of...

                  Most big marketers who actually make an impact on your sales will NOT promote an optin/squeeze page (unless you yourself are a big time marketer). I've had several people in the past actually request me to remove opt-ins from sales pages before they consider promoting.

                  Usually you would just have a sales page / video and then an exit popup which redirects visitors to a free report page if they didn't purchase right away. You can see this method being used on most of the big launches that have occured recently.

                  Cheers,

                  Anthony

                  Originally Posted by chrisnegro View Post


                  Sid:


                  Maybe I need to be more clear Sid. My vision to to have my JV's/Affiliates promote an optin page (for something I'm giving away free). They then would be internally tracked (and linked to the original marketer) in my autoresponder list.

                  And then, when I close them through my promotional email on the back end, the marketer who sent them to my free report page will get the sale. However, I only want them linked to the customer for a certain period of time. This way... marketers don't get a lifetime commission from that client....only commissions for that launch.

                  Thoughts?


                  Success,

                  Chris Negro
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                  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
                    Originally Posted by chrisnegro View Post

                    Maybe I need to be more clear Sid. My vision to to have my JV's/Affiliates promote an optin page (for something I'm giving away free). They then would be internally tracked (and linked to the original marketer) in my autoresponder list.

                    And then, when I close them through my promotional email on the back end, the marketer who sent them to my free report page will get the sale. However, I only want them linked to the customer for a certain period of time. This way... marketers don't get a lifetime commission from that client....only commissions for that launch.
                    This is certainly possible with RAP, but...

                    Originally Posted by Anthony Hull View Post

                    Most big marketers who actually make an impact on your sales will NOT promote an optin/squeeze page (unless you yourself are a big time marketer). I've had several people in the past actually request me to remove opt-ins from sales pages before they consider promoting.
                    I have to agree with Anthony here. It's tough to get anyone (not just "big time" marketers) to promote an optin page. I do it, but ONLY if I have a pre-existing (and highly trusted) relationship with that merchant beforehand. (and I don't consider myself a "big time" marketer - they are even more picky).

                    If you do proceed with this, I would also reconsider your plan for expiring their cookie any differently than for anything else you offer in your affiliate program. For instance, if you normally cookie a visitor for 90 days, don't make this launch more restrictive for the affiliates.

                    They are your best source for targeted, volume traffic, and you want to create long-term relationships with them, so they will promote for you in the future. At the end of the day, you want a relationship with your affiliates that is as good as (or maybe even better than) the relationship you will build with your customers. Create a very positive experience for your affiliates, and they will continue to bring you more and more paying customers.

                    Lastly, instead of trying to get affiliates to promote an optin page, consider creating a low-ticket product (something very closely related to your launch), put a price on it, set the commission rate to 100%, and have your affiliates promote that.

                    Your affiliates will much more readily promote a 100% commission product - than an optin page, and in the process, you build a buyer's list (for a related product), that you can use as a pre-notification list for your launch.

                    If you want, you can even re-use the affiliate's link when you send them that launch notification, and your affiliates will have made so much money from the 100% commission product, that they will gladly promote your launch, to their list, too.

                    Hope this helps,
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisnegro
      Originally Posted by Anthony Hull View Post

      Hi Chris,

      I agree with Johnny Slater... the 3 scripts are not designed to work together in the way you describe. If you want to pay your affiliates *instantly* their 100% commissions, then RAP + their member add on would be the only solution I'm currently aware of that does this.

      Personally I don't like the concept of payments going directly to affiliates because of the fact that many customers end up contacting affiliates for support later down the line because they look at who their paypal payment went to.

      Additionally, if you're thinking of using paypal for payments.. consider that later down the line if you want to sell your site and you are accepting paypal subscriptions, you can NOT transfer the subscriptions to the new owner(s) because of Paypal's policies.

      For a successful membership site, I personally would recommend:

      1) EasyMemberPro (this is my script of course and integrates with Clickbank)
      2) Clickbank as your payment processor

      - They pay affiliates directly but not instantly - this frees your time so you don't need to worry about cutting checks each month etc
      - Thousands of affiliates TRUST clickbank because they know they will get paid - and get paid on time, every time)
      - if you later sell your site, you can easily transfer your Clickbank account to the new owner... VERY useful if you have an exit strategy in mind.

      Consider giving a 60-75% commission to attract more affiliates... but the most important thing to attract affiliates (apart from knowing the right JV partners) is a superb product that is an easy sell.

      If you are 100% fixated on giving lifetime commissions across ALL your future products (whereby each product is on a different website) then I would have a look at Infusionsoft along with a wordpress membership plugin for it... my friend and extremely successful Internet Marketer Lee McIntyre uses this for his membership site(s) over at Get More Momentum

      However, with Infusionsoft you'll need to pay affiliates manually (which I hate as I'm too lazy, but Lee has his own staff who take care of that for him!)...

      So... looks like you'll need to have some compromises here and there along the way - whichever solution you end up using.

      All the best,

      Anthony
      Anthony:

      Many thanks for responding. Actually, I have a couple more questions for you:.

      1) Can your membership software link people (on a marketer's list) to everyone who opts into my page or membership community? The obvious benefit to the marketer (on a mass launch when everyone is promoting the launch) is that their list will be cookied or link to them (and hence....the better the chance of them getting the commission).

      2) If this can be tracked and linked to the marketer, can you change the duration of "how long" these customers are cookied/linked to the original marketer? Is it a lifetime cookie? 30 days? 60 months? Can the cookie be "deactivated" after the launch is over (for example).

      3) If this is not a part of your current membership system, is it possible to incorporate in a future upgrade?

      I'm visualizing (or at least desiring anyway) a system where you can not only link the marketer to their list (obviously if they are the first to promote that customer) but also customize how long they are cookied/linked to that marketer

      Any further detailed explanation would be much appreciated.


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      • Profile picture of the author Anthony Hull
        Originally Posted by chrisnegro

        1) Can your membership software link people (on a marketer's list) to everyone who opts into my page or membership community? The obvious benefit to the marketer (on a mass launch when everyone is promoting the launch) is that their list will be cookied or link to them (and hence....the better the chance of them getting the commission).
        If you set your home page to have an opt-in form (squeeze page) then yes you can do this. You could also copy and paste some code to paste on other pages if you want to set a cookie on an alternative page as you may have several landing pages.

        Originally Posted by chrisnegro

        2) If this can be tracked and linked to the marketer, can you change the duration of "how long" these customers are cookied/linked to the original marketer? Is it a lifetime cookie? 30 days? 60 months? Can the cookie be "deactivated" after the launch is over (for example).
        Yes, the EasyMemberPro control panel lets you choose the cookie duration.

        Originally Posted by chrisnegro

        3) If this is not a part of your current membership system, is it possible to incorporate in a future upgrade?

        I'm visualizing (or at least desiring anyway) a system where you can not only link the marketer to their list (obviously if they are the first to promote that customer) but also customize how long they are cookied/linked to that marketer
        Length is supported already. In the past we had many issues with "first tracked, first gets commission" .... most big time marketers were pissed when they gave a bonus for referring sales only to find out that the buyer had clicked someone elses link beforehand... so we changed it to LAST referrer gets the sale... which is fairer in my opinion... and most other scripts work this way (including Clickbank's affiliate tracking system).

        Cheers,

        Anthony
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    Chris,

    I was speaking about Easy Member Pro and Rapid Action Profits, both of which I know quite a bit about because I have had experience with both scripts since they were first created.

    With RAP I have been through the code almost line by line and know that script almost as well as I know my own scripts I coded myself and with EMP I have set that script up for clients quite a few times and have come to know the feature set quite well.

    I never make blanket statements I can't back up and I never discuss any products I do not have personal experience with.

    Both of these scripts have their own built in affiliate programs and affiliate tracking and your script probably wouldn't work well with either one since the affiliate tracking is built in and your program would cause problems with the internal tracking that each does.

    I may not know anything about your product in particular but the products created by Sid and Anthony came out about the same time I launched my first membership solution and I have been dealing with the internal aspects of memberships and affiliate tracking for 3+ years now across pretty much every full featured stand alone membership solution available throughout that time period.

    I am not casting anything negative about your product, but I do know quite a bit about membership solutions on the market as I have dealt with pretty much everything available, as a membership solution provider that is part of my job, to know what is available on the marketplace.

    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    Well my script, one of the ones mentioned, it is not "designed" to be standalone at all.

    It does a few simple things, which includes capturing an affiliate id and inserting it into a hoplink. Mostly parsing of urls and that sort of thing.

    A good bolt on to any site. I can't see why it wouldn't work.

    Please don't speak for scripts you know nothing about.
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    Originally Posted by chrisnegro View Post

    Warriors:

    In my upcoming membership launch, I want everything to go smoothly and everything to be TOP NOTCH. My concern is multiple software/scripts that are going into this launch.

    Breakdown:

    Easy Member Pro - I'm using this membership software for affiliates and content protection

    See details of EMP software here => = Easy Member Pro - Features

    Rapid Action Profits - I'm using this script to pay my affiliates automatically at 100% commission

    See details of RAP Script here => = Rapid Action Profits
    Can RAP Member add-on do the same job as easy member pro?,

    so if RAP member addon is used, easy member pro can be eliminated?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Hi,

      Originally Posted by entry View Post

      Can RAP Member add-on do the same job as easy member pro?,

      so if RAP member addon is used, easy member pro can be eliminated?
      My immediate reaction is "Yes", but...

      What does "do the same job" mean?

      That's just too broad a question.

      I don't know what you're doing with Easy Member Pro, and I'm no more likely to be totally familiar with their capabilities, than they are likely to be familiar with the features in RAP Members Plus.

      You need to identify what features you want, and then address each one, specifically. Otherwise you're asking me to interpret their sales page, and evaluate that against our features. As you know, a feature list can often be interpreted many ways, by different readers, and the intent is to minimize the shortcomings, while expounding on the strong points.

      I'm sure you've seen product comparison charts, where each product's features are represented in its own column. What you get is an idea of what's there vs. what's missing. The merchant making the comparison decides what features to even show, so if he's weak in a certain area, he's likely to just eliminate that feature from the comparison chart altogether.

      There's no way you can honestly expect a merchant to do a full product comparison for you. The best you would get is that merchant's biased view of the strong/weak points of the two competing products.


      THAT SAID...

      Sure - RAP Members PLUS does everything that Easy Member Pro does and then... SO MUCH MORE
      (What did you expect me to say?)

      Seriously, YOU need to do your own comparison, and you need to build your own comparison chart with a row for each feature that is important to YOU.
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