Have product - How to reach market? (I know, I know)

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I have a friend who used to distribute sheet metal brakes and is something of an engineer.

He created a lift kit for pickup truck camper shells before he found the "starving market".

I put together a simple site with links to some YouTube videos of the kit in action.

You can see it here: Cap Up Kit Home Page

He has tried marketing to the obvious markets such as pickup truck and camper shell dealers, as well as renting a few booths in various trade shows where there might be some related interest.

The results have been less than spectacular.

I believe he does have a great product, and as he has told me, he doesn't need to sell millions of these to be successful.

He just needs to tap into the niche.

Any ideas?

Thanks for reading.
#market #product #reach
  • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
    Why doesn't he just buy a list of people who recently bought truck caps and send them a well crafted 3 step letter Dan Kennedy style? Yes, THAT list does exist with the SRDS.

    Sounds like he has a direct mail product that he's trying to go online with. I'd budget about $2000 in direct mail ads.

    OR

    He can place a well crafted advertorial in a couple truck mags that have truck caps for sale there.

    Did he see IF the market even wants that product? Are people asking for it already? Is there a list of buyers for what he's selling?

    I don't know the answers to those questions, those are things he must know.

    But back to my original answer. Direct mail is king.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
      Thank you Shane.

      I will run those ideas by him. I don't think he has tried direct mail, but I think he may have run a few ads in targeted publications.

      I think he created the product before he established that the market was a strong one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Hi Ralph,

    Something is massively wrong here.

    My guess is the price.

    This item if priced right should sell like hotcakes and I say that as someone who owns two pickup trucks and has probably owned over half a dozen shells over the years.

    Can your buddy get the price down substantially?

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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
    No, I don't believe he can substantially lower the price.

    I believe he said he would be able to eventually slightly lower the price, but this is probably not a product that would greatly benefit from mass production.

    (As a percentage of vehicles on the road, pickup trucks with camper shells are only a small part.)

    Since he is in the continued stages of development, he is finding the need to slightly customize either the parts or the installation for different truck / shell combinations.

    He and I both think that he has simply not hit the 'tipping point' for the product.

    I think he just needs more exposure.

    I also know that he wants this to slowly ramp up so he has time to 'flesh out' the various customizations.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Hi Ralph,

      I spent a good deal of my career in product development so these types of situations get my interest. But just because I have helped folks sell millions of units of their inventions and designs don't give my thoughts anymore weight than that of a some mook on a forum. I don't know your friends entire situation...

      Originally Posted by eagle View Post

      No, I don't believe he can substantially lower the price.
      He's going to need to do this, and it will come naturally with mass production due to quantity buying, and the division of labor during the manufacturing stage, if nothing else.

      I believe he said he would be able to eventually slightly lower the price, but this is probably not a product that would greatly benefit from mass production.
      This notion is huge mistake. The realities of the marketplace demand a mass production scenario for this to be susccessful. If your friend doesn't do it someone will, the marketplace for these types of products rarely stands a vacuum for very long once traction is attained.

      (As a percentage of vehicles on the road, pickup trucks with camper shells are only a small part.)
      Not in all geographical areas or niches. Just one good niche could produce tens of thousands of sales. At the right price.

      Since he is in the continued stages of development, he is finding the need to slightly customize either the parts or the installation for different truck / shell combinations.
      This is a normal situation and one that is generally addressed by raising capital to speed up the process. This product should attract capital like nobody's business.

      He and I both think that he has simply not hit the 'tipping point' for the product.
      That tipping point will coincide with the 'price elasticity of demand'. If you're not familiar with that concept, Google it.

      I think he just needs more exposure.
      The problem with that notion lies in the fact that the majority of inventors (I hold 4 US Patents) only end up doing the homework for an entrepreneur who has a greater capacity to capitalize on the opportunity. It gets back to that vacuum in the marketplace on the supply side. (Several of my designs I was paid to do with corporate money are selling in stores like W-M and H-D and I have experienced this first hand, fwiw. It's nasty.)

      I also know that he wants this to slowly ramp up so he has time to 'flesh out' the various customizations.
      While your friend is out there "slowly ramping up" he needs to be aware of some of the other factors I have mentioned above. That "slowly ramping up" is one of the main reasons good people like your friend end up doing the homework while some other entrepreneur hits the home run. I've been invovled in deals where tens of millions in corporate money was used as 'homework money' and can tell you that the ceiling for this phemon is almost unlimited.

      Bottom line...your friend is sitting on a gold mine, imho. I can't tell you how many times I wished I had had this product on the PU trucks I've had with camper shells.

      I hope you don't think my words are too strong in the above post, but after years of watching people like your friend come up with great ideas only to miss the opportunity because of strong internal beliefs that don't jibe with how consumer markets truly function I felt the need to post some of my thoughts.

      Another Warrior here who is well versed in these types of scenarios is Brian McLeod. I would seek his input.

      Much success to your friend,

      ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Zentech
    Buy a list, hire a copywriter, send a pitch, make sales, collect the money.

    I know, easier said than done, but that's the process. Or at least one process that's proven to work. It requires some investment, though, as lists and copywriters are not free.
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  • Hi Ralp,
    Tell your buddy to contact Amazon.
    They add vendors every day, and THEY do all the work getting traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
    Thanks guys. It looks like a combination of online and offline efforts which does make sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Dont ask us - ASK YOUR AUDIENCE.

    The biggest issue here is developing the product BEFORE finding the market.

    But you already know that.

    I often enjoy watching Gordon Ramsay's kitchen nightmares. Quite often, he will walk the streets and ask people "What do you think of that restaurant? Why dont you go there? Why do you like the food??" etc etc

    The best feedback you can ever get is from your potential buyers.

    Start surveying and asking for feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
    Thanks Bill.

    I highly regard your (excellent) advice and take no offense at all to anything said here.

    Your reply is exactly the kind I was looking for. Detailed and substantive.

    I will pass this on to my friend and see where his road leads from here.

    Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    I too own pickups and have a construction company i own.
    First thing i would do is take the picture of the refrigerator off that site.
    If anyone was to leave a store with there cap up in the air like that,the police would pull them over for unsafe load before they made it a mile probably.
    People would be calling it in saying a truck was losing its top.

    It is a great idea,but what i would do is load the back of it with a couple of big,bulky items,and show 2 people picking up the items out of the truck with ease.
    Say for instance some hunters or fisherman,or construction workers.
    These 3 are the first people i would target.

    Show how it saves them time,it is easier to get at and remove there items without breaking there backs,easy to get the kids and camping gear out,ect...

    Besides me being a construction owner,i am also a fisherman,bowhunter,and outdoor person,ect...
    These 3 groups of people spend money on there trucks like there is no tomorrow.
    Plus,after someones friends see how it works,they will want one just because it is different and they dont have one.

    I would start with the srds in these 3 categorys.
    Then as suggested amazon,and i would try ebay also.
    In Ebay motors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
    OK guys,

    I'm not getting the Amazon connection. Are you saying he could list the item for sale on Amazon?
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  • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
    Yes,he can list the item at Amazon.
    Then he can also list it in Ebay motors.

    A couple of pics,4 to be exact can be put on Craigslist.
    Does he have a patent?
    Has he applied for one?
    How about the poor mans patent to begin with?Mail himself some pictures,and description through the mail to his address,but dont open it.

    If it stays sealed,a court will recognize the PO stamp and it will prove the date that he came up with the idea.This what i was told.

    Like explained above.There are people that could fabricate or duplicate this easy and fast and run with it before he figures out what to do.

    How about my suggestions.The 3 markets i mentioned are getting there income tax refunds in about 45 days.I know i am.And im going to spend it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by pcpupil View Post

      How about the poor mans patent to begin with?Mail himself some pictures,and description through the mail to his address,but dont open it.

      If it stays sealed,a court will recognize the PO stamp and it will prove the date that he came up with the idea.This what i was told.
      Well, what you were told is folklore and is flat out wrong. Dangerously wrong, and unfortunately people continue to believe this myth.

      That method has zero legal standing.

      ~Bill
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      • Profile picture of the author pcpupil
        Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

        Well, what you were told is folklore and is flat out wrong. Dangerously wrong, and unfortunately people continue to believe this myth.

        That method has zero legal standing.

        ~Bill
        Thanks,would you happen to know if states have different rulings on this,or is it just false all over the country.

        Or should i contact a few lawyers in my county?Maybe i will ask just for the heck of it.
        Not that i dont trust in what your saying.i have just heard this a lot of times.
        But then again,i shouldnt have really said it with out proof.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
          Originally Posted by pcpupil View Post

          Thanks,would you happen to know if states have different rulings on this,or is it just false all over the country.

          Or should i contact a few lawyers in my county?Maybe i will ask just for the heck of it.
          Not that i dont trust in what your saying.i have just heard this a lot of times.
          But then again,i shouldnt have really said it with out proof.
          This is not a State by State deal. It's a function of how the Patent system works.

          That folklore probably got started the way many of those types of 'wishful thinking' myths get started. No doubt somebody concluded in their own mind that if they just sent a letter to themselves and never opened it the Patent Office would conclude they had a legitimate claim to an invention.

          Unfortunately for the folks who believe that myth the Patent Office goes by what is called Patent Law. Those laws are strictly spelled out and the Patent Office will give zero legitimacy to any unopened letters.

          ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
    OK. I hadn't even considered that he could sell this on Amazon and eBay Motors.

    And yes, I do believe he is patent pending. He has 'been around the block' a time or two with other items.

    He just isn't seeing the results, yet, with this one.

    Thanks again for all of the input everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Just sent you a PM with a company who might be able to help you with lowering manufacturing costs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ralph Moore
      Greetings,

      I just wanted to post an update on this as I finally heard from my friend, Bryan. His reply to me was as follows:

      "Before building anything I looked for previous art (existing patents) and found several ranging from 3 yrs old to 50 yrs old. So others have thought there is a need. Obviously none successfully went to market. But I figured, possibly wrongly, that the reason those versions didn't make it is they each failed to function in one or more critical ways.

      Specifically: none were universal in ability to be installed on today's truck/cap combinations; required significant loss of cargo space to make way for mechanisms; involved attaching cage assemblies inside the cap and this required piercing the shell with bolts; and none could achieved raising the rear of a cap as far without significant loss of useable space at the front of the cargo area. These points drove design goals.

      The market research I did was to build a working prototype and let it be seen in public, like parking lots and gas stations. People would go out of their way to come look and comment. The reaction was strong and very positive. Common comments included, 'Those ought to sell like hot cakes' and the like. Few asked for the price, however, which did concern me. But I forged ahead.

      I agree that price is one large obstacle. I had two good size manufacturing companies and two substantial machine shops quote quantities from 50 to 500 sets at a time. I did not find any hope of getting the manufacturing cost below $650. Not sure even that can be reached.

      It has been raised and lowered while driving in town and at highway speeds many hundreds of times. I have driven hundreds of miles with the cap raised, town and highway, sometimes intentionally traveling in front of numerous highway and local police. One pulled along side and got on the loud speaker to ask if I knew it was up. I gave him a thumbs up. No one pulled me over.

      It is patented and has been published"

      I also suggested he join the Warrior Forum and he is looking into doing so as he time.

      Thanks again to all who took time to comment on this product.
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